Re: [carfree_cities] "Nobody with a choice ever took a bus anyw
> A very misguided bunch of statements apart from=v= How so? As I've already pointed out, with electric vehicles
> >"Zero-Emissions Vehicles!"
> which, [whether] you like it or not, is true.
(EVs) the emissions still happen, they're just happening
somewhere else. Why insist that they don't? Ignoring such
realities is exactly the kind of thinking that's gotten us into
this cars-everywhere mess in the first place!
> EV's can cope with changes in power technology they are maybe=v= Renewable sources of energy are wonderful, but they do have
> not a world solution, but they adapt well to new ideas power
> sources may change but the EV's still work.
their limits. As far as I know, there will never be enough to
power the current (wasteful) levels of energy consumption, which
is why renewable energy advocates have long promoted a "soft
path" of the most energy-efficient alternatives.
=v= A one-for-one replacement of cars with EVs will simply use
up the available renewable sources of electricity. The air
quality authority of southern California, in the U.S. -- where
there is a lot of windpower -- came up with a scenario in which
EVs would be put on the road with no net increase in emissions.
In this scenario, emissions started to increase when more than
5% of the cars on the road were EVs; and even that's based on
the assumption that cars are being recharged at night!
=v= (Note that this scenario only targets maintaining the same
level of emissions. Actually reducing emissions is, apparently,
outside the realm of consideration.)
=v= Does it really make sense to waste renewable sources on a
5% elite, just so they can share same wasteful and damaging
automobile-based transportation infrastructure as the other
95% who are using internal combustion (or the somewhat better
> as anyone in [their] right mind knows most cars are at home=v= True, but what happens when the car runs out mid-day? Is
> at night when there is a surplus of power on the grid
the elite EV operator really going to suffer an inconvenience
that the non-elite car drivers don't have to deal with?
=v= I know of a head of a local clean energy foundation who
would charge up his car in the middle of the day; the rationale
being that it was important to have it fully-charged "because
it's a demo," and besides, one car won't make a whole lot of
difference. Then I read in a little local paper about EV users
who also claimed to be doing the same thing, but when I walked
around the neighborhood, I'd see the EVs being charged up in the
middle of the day. One time I saw a guy there plugging one in
and I asked him about it, and his response was, hey, it's just
one car, so it's not going to make a whole lot of difference.
> here in the UK we can now choose to pay our electricity bills=v= We have that in the U.S., too. The amount of "clean" energy
> to companies that generate the power in the way that we like
available is very limited, and basically what's happening is
that some of the middle class will pay the higher rates and feel
better about themselves, while everyone else still uses the same
old "dirty" energy. The good news is that it indicates a demand
for clean energy, and a wee bit of the profits are going towards
building more clean energy, but so far there's been no reduction
> I love bicycles too=v= Thereby turning a TRUE zero-emission vehicle into something
> hoping to explore the electric ones soon
that pollutes. Pfui.
=v= We have an "electric bicycle" company in California with the
audacity to name themselves ZAP, meaning "Zero Air Pollution."
This is, of course, as much a misnomer as ZEV. They have high
hopes: They once email-spammed me to try to get me to invest in
their mad scheme to put ZAP electric motors on the bicycles in
China. (Just *imagine* the environmental consquences of that!)
=v= All that said, I must say that I do think there's a place
for electric vehicles and electric bikes. If it's envisioned
and implemented as a one-by-one replacement of EVs for cars,
or electric bikes for human-powered bikes; these technologies
will have no environmental advantage whatsoever.
Jym Dyer ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: __Q :::
jym@... ::::::::::::::::: "My other car is :: ==`\(x ::
http://www.things.org/~jym/ :::: also a bicycle." :: O-/ `O ::
"In a car you're always in a compartment, and because you're
used to it you don't realize that through that car window
everything you see is just more TV."
-- Robert M. Pirsig,