My incredible joy-reponse
- worldnick wrote:
"How could any mins advocate something as radically necessary as carless
cities and at the same time be as backwords as building 2 dimensionally???
...The most logical way to build a car free city is cubical, with travel
taking place on MULTIPLE levels, allowing for much less congestion and the
quickest path between point a and point b." -
I would take some exception to the notion that a four-story city is
2-dimensoinal. Venice, for example, has more spatial complexity than
virtually any other city I have visited. The four story limit is a natural
response to the condition of gravity. Moving up and down takes more energy
than moving on a horizontal plane. Beyond four stories, one must rely more
on non-human energy for vertical movement (i.e., elevators, escalators,
etc., keeping in mind that most electrical power is generated from fossil
fuels). Since one of the goals of a car-free city is to reduce the amount
of energy consumed, it would seem reasonable to limit the height so as to
encourage human power over machine power; that is until we figure out how to
do something about that annoying thing called gravity (or learn to harness
A few more thoughts:
Perhaps the city you envision would be more appropriate in space (that's not
Congestion is not necessarily a bad thing (if it's composed of people
instead of cars).
I think people want to be grounded (literally). Does anyone really want to
live in the center of a three-dimensional labyrinth? I like to walk on the
> Congestion is not necessarily a bad thing (if it's composed of peopleYes. I've nothing against congestion. I don't feel stressed if I hit the
> instead of cars).
thigh of the person in front of me with my knee, or if I get hit in a
similar way on a crowded street. Those incidents are just one more way to
open social contacts with people, assuming of course they are not done on
purpose. As long as inhuman cars are out, that's Okay.
> I think people want to be grounded (literally). Does anyoneI don't mind living in a 3-D setup, as long as I can walk freely on the
> really want to
> live in the center of a three-dimensional labyrinth? I like
> to walk on the
Earth ground level (outdoors). I'm accustomed to high buildings and
underground setup in Montreal, but the outdoor space is somewhat monopolised
by cars, and we must correct that, even in cities where people can avoid
cars by going in a 3-D setup. Let's expand people choice range and restrict
car choice range.
I agree with you that nothing replaces totally the natural outdoor space
even under the rain or in cold weather. In fact I much prefer walking in a
rainy carfree city than in a sunny car-centric city.