[Tr2000] Californian High Speed Rail Study Approved
- Top speed, 220 mph, I seem to recall.
--- Todd Edelman <traintowardsthefuture@...>
> --- Andrew Dawson <m82a1_dawson@...> wrote:
> An environmental impact study for an 1100km
> > high-speed rail network serving
> > >the main
> > >centres of population in California has been
> > approved by California High
> > >Speed Rail
> > >Authority.[...] Existing lines would be used in
> urban areas, such as Los Angeles, and between
> San Jose and San Francisco.
> WHAT is top-speed on these lines? Or would they be
> modified? EU standard minimum for intercity lines is
> 160 km/h, though of course France, Germany, Italy
> Spain etc have speeds up to 350km/h. To get out of
> you gotta go over a hill...
> > >
> > >New lines would be designed for 350km/h operation
> > and would follow existing
> > >rail or road
> > >rights-of-way where possible.
> BUT at that speed the line has to be straight! And
> relatively level (I think ICE 3 can deal with 8%
> Many of the state's
> > major airports would be
> > >served by the
> > >network.
> WHICH ones?
> The network is expected to carry up to 68
> > million passengers a
> > >year by 2020.
> PREdictions Schmedictions. It all depends on so many
> things, like future fuel prices, marketing... and...
> > >journey time of 2h 35min is envisaged between San
> > Francisco and Los
> > >Angeles, which
> > >would be highly competitive with air.
> I cant see how a train partly on existing lines
> make this in 2h 35.
> The air journey itself between Oakland AIRPORT and
> Angeles AIRPORT is about 1 hr 20, gate to gate. As
> with Eurostar (London-Brussels-Lille-Paris), the
> in California might require a security check (Though
> as far as I know Eurostar is only HST which requires
> this... I assume because it goes through the
> Eurotunnel). So figure 30min advance for air, 15min
> for train. Train would be like 5 minutes from seat
> public transport, taxi, etc. Plane, with checked in
> luggage, could be 20min.
> So, now we have Plane 115min vs. Train 175min. Not
> bad, but the REAL issue is door-to-door time! This
> where existing infrastructures and density play an
> important part.
> If the line to SF goes through San Jose it seems
> it could be up to 100km or more at moderate speeds.
> Perhaps if there was a "T" in the Central Valley it
> could head west (a hill here) to Oakland...
> I just dont see how they can do this on existing
> lines. Keep in mind that planes leave every 30
> minutes from many airports in both (all) directions,
> and if the train has similar intervals any kind of
> track-sharing will be that much more difficult.
> Also, Bay Area is very spread out, and unless there
> are stops in the west and east sides (with different
> trains) there is no comparison possible with the
> coast Acela, which stops much more in the middle of
> I dont know about Sacratomato, but it seems like
> could do well on San Jose and Oakland routes, but
> sure about SF (unless Bay Bridge renovation
> future heavy rail capability!).
> In LA, the eastern San Fernando Valley and Downtown
> could do well, but the West Side would need lots of
> BRT systems at minimum to compete with quick jaunts
> still possible at time down the San Diego Freeway to
> Then there is Orange County...
> Perhaps the network should include the feeders, it
> might be possible to make bigger time differences
> there for less money than all new highspeed
> or god forbid a Transrapid.
> Rather than thinking about the top train speed,
> should be analysis of door-to-door times, including
> all parts of Greater Los Angeles covered or not
> covered by BRT or Metro, possibilities with BART and
> the Baby Bullet in the Bay Area, etc. The customer
> speed is the goal, NOT the train speed.
> Build this, okay, but dont forget about bike paths,
> local trams + trains and virtual meetings.
> Todd Edelman, Culver City High School class of 1984
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