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  • Todd J. Binkley
    ... Peter Calthorpe and Bill Fulton describe what they call emerging regionalism in Portland, Seattle, Salt Lake City, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, and
    Message 1 of 10 , Mar 6, 2005
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      Mike Morin asked:

      >Where are they conducting effective regional planning in the US?

      Peter Calthorpe and Bill Fulton describe what they call "emerging
      regionalism" in Portland, Seattle, Salt Lake City, New York, Chicago, San
      Francisco, and parts of Minnesota, Maryland and Florida; in The Regional
      City (Island Press, 2001).
    • Doug Salzmann
      ... Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to compete in a
      Message 2 of 10 , Mar 6, 2005
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        On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Christopher Miller wrote:

        > when [DC Metro was] built in the 1970s, it was designed to cover the
        > existing built area and channel commuters into downtown DC. In the two
        > decades since, sprawl has led to many commutes being between edge towns
        > rather than to and from the center.

        Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
        (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
        compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.

        -Doug



        =================
        Doug Salzmann
        Kalliergo
        P.O. Box 307
        Corte Madera, CA
        94976-0307 USA

        www.kalliergo.net
      • Mike Morin
        ... Preaching to the choir. How many car-free cities are there in the US? Has any area firmly established the reduction of auto dependency and sprawl as a
        Message 3 of 10 , Mar 6, 2005
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          > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
          > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
          > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
          >
          > -Doug

          Preaching to the choir.

          How many car-free cities are there in the US? Has any area firmly
          established the reduction of auto dependency and sprawl as a goal?

          Where are they conducting effective regional planning in the US?

          Makes me think of Myron Orfields book "Metropolitics". If I recall correctly
          the progressives in Minnesota have been successful at establishing a
          metropolitan tax-sharing scheme based on Orfield's work. Is that correct?

          If so, I think it is the only region that is doing something of that nature.

          If correct, how effective have they been at mitigating the problems of the
          "free market" (really the folks who benefit from building sprawl)unchecked?

          While we're blue-skying, how about proposing regional economic entities to
          change the way resources are allocated to and within communities? See
          www.yahoogroups.com/group/Reg_Coop_Comm_Dev . I got the idea from reading
          Orfield's work from the perspective of a businessman (albeit a socialist
          one) rather than a lawyer (Orfield is a lawyer).


          P&C,

          Mike Morin
          >
          > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Christopher Miller wrote:
          >
          >> when [DC Metro was] built in the 1970s, it was designed to cover the
          >> existing built area and channel commuters into downtown DC. In the two
          >> decades since, sprawl has led to many commutes being between edge towns
          >> rather than to and from the center.
          >
          > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
          > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
          > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
          >
          > -Doug
          >
          >
          >
          > =================
          > Doug Salzmann
          > Kalliergo
          > P.O. Box 307
          > Corte Madera, CA
          > 94976-0307 USA
          >
          > www.kalliergo.net
          >
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        • CEB
          Hey Choir and visitors, Hasnt Portland done some kind of sprawl-stop scheme? I know very little about this... am expecting a variety of repsonses.... Todd
          Message 4 of 10 , Mar 6, 2005
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            Hey Choir and visitors,

            Hasnt Portland done some kind of sprawl-stop scheme?

            I know very little about this... am expecting a variety of repsonses....

            Todd
            ______________________________________________________________
            > Od: "Mike Morin" <mikemorin@...>
            > Komu: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
            > Datum: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:23:36 -0800
            > Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story
            >
            >
            >
            > > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
            > > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
            > > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
            > >
            > > -Doug
            >
            > Preaching to the choir.
            >
            > How many car-free cities are there in the US? Has any area firmly
            > established the reduction of auto dependency and sprawl as a goal?
            >
            > Where are they conducting effective regional planning in the US?
            >
            > Makes me think of Myron Orfields book "Metropolitics". If I recall correctly
            > the progressives in Minnesota have been successful at establishing a
            > metropolitan tax-sharing scheme based on Orfield's work. Is that correct?
            >
            > If so, I think it is the only region that is doing something of that nature.
            >
            > If correct, how effective have they been at mitigating the problems of the
            > "free market" (really the folks who benefit from building sprawl)unchecked?
            >
            > While we're blue-skying, how about proposing regional economic entities to
            > change the way resources are allocated to and within communities? See
            > www.yahoogroups.com/group/Reg_Coop_Comm_Dev . I got the idea from reading
            > Orfield's work from the perspective of a businessman (albeit a socialist
            > one) rather than a lawyer (Orfield is a lawyer).
            >
            >
            > P&C,
            >
            > Mike Morin
            > >
            > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Christopher Miller wrote:
            > >
            > >> when [DC Metro was] built in the 1970s, it was designed to cover the
            > >> existing built area and channel commuters into downtown DC. In the two
            > >> decades since, sprawl has led to many commutes being between edge towns
            > >> rather than to and from the center.
            > >
            > > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
            > > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
            > > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
            > >
            > > -Doug
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > =================
            > > Doug Salzmann
            > > Kalliergo
            > > P.O. Box 307
            > > Corte Madera, CA
            > > 94976-0307 USA
            > >
            > > www.kalliergo.net
            > >
            > >
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          • Mike Morin
            Oregon has a requirement that metro areas establish Urban Growth Boundaries, which really doesn t stop the sprawl, it just sets limits as to where it can
            Message 5 of 10 , Mar 6, 2005
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              Oregon has a requirement that metro areas establish Urban Growth Boundaries,
              which really doesn't stop the sprawl, it just sets limits as to where it can
              spread to...

              In the last election, voters approved Measure 37, which stated that the
              government would have to pay compensation for diminishing the value of land
              by measures such as implementing the UGBs. I think recently someone
              submitted the first claim under Measure 37. I'm not a lawyer and have not
              been following it closely. This is the second time the voters have approved
              such anti-planning measures. Measure 7, which was very similar to Measure
              37, passed a few years ago. Measure 7 did not hold up in the courts. It
              remains to be seen whether Measure 37 does.

              Regardless of the outcome of these measures in the courts, UGBs are really
              too little, too late. The sprawl in Oregon is terrible. UGBs allow sprawl to
              continue, though they do place limits on such.

              Oregon, as most places in the US, are in dire need of massive reconstruction
              based on principles of NU and TOD. The fundamental changes in the way that
              resources are allocated to building projects is not in place. In fact, the
              sprawl builders maintain access to most of the public and private purse
              strings. There have been a few mixed-use NU developments in Eugene, but thus
              far they have been marginally successful (more successful as residences than
              as commercial venues) as sprawl rules and people use their (large) cars for
              almost all their chores and endeavors.

              Perhaps someone from Portland will have more to say about that city's
              efforts and successes.

              Here in Eugene, we've got a long way to go...


              Mike Morin
              Eugene, OR
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "CEB" <cyklopraha@...>
              To: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:34 PM
              Subject: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story


              >
              > Hey Choir and visitors,
              >
              > Hasnt Portland done some kind of sprawl-stop scheme?
              >
              > I know very little about this... am expecting a variety of repsonses....
              >
              > Todd
              > ______________________________________________________________
              >> Od: "Mike Morin" <mikemorin@...>
              >> Komu: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
              >> Datum: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:23:36 -0800
              >> Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
              >> > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
              >> > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
              >> >
              >> > -Doug
              >>
              >> Preaching to the choir.
              >>
              >> How many car-free cities are there in the US? Has any area firmly
              >> established the reduction of auto dependency and sprawl as a goal?
              >>
              >> Where are they conducting effective regional planning in the US?
              >>
              >> Makes me think of Myron Orfields book "Metropolitics". If I recall
              >> correctly
              >> the progressives in Minnesota have been successful at establishing a
              >> metropolitan tax-sharing scheme based on Orfield's work. Is that correct?
              >>
              >> If so, I think it is the only region that is doing something of that
              >> nature.
              >>
              >> If correct, how effective have they been at mitigating the problems of
              >> the
              >> "free market" (really the folks who benefit from building
              >> sprawl)unchecked?
              >>
              >> While we're blue-skying, how about proposing regional economic entities
              >> to
              >> change the way resources are allocated to and within communities? See
              >> www.yahoogroups.com/group/Reg_Coop_Comm_Dev . I got the idea from reading
              >> Orfield's work from the perspective of a businessman (albeit a socialist
              >> one) rather than a lawyer (Orfield is a lawyer).
              >>
              >>
              >> P&C,
              >>
              >> Mike Morin
              >> >
              >> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Christopher Miller wrote:
              >> >
              >> >> when [DC Metro was] built in the 1970s, it was designed to cover the
              >> >> existing built area and channel commuters into downtown DC. In the two
              >> >> decades since, sprawl has led to many commutes being between edge
              >> >> towns
              >> >> rather than to and from the center.
              >> >
              >> > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
              >> > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
              >> > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
              >> >
              >> > -Doug
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > =================
              >> > Doug Salzmann
              >> > Kalliergo
              >> > P.O. Box 307
              >> > Corte Madera, CA
              >> > 94976-0307 USA
              >> >
              >> > www.kalliergo.net
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > To Post a message, send it to: carfree_cities@...
              >> > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
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              >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> To Post a message, send it to: carfree_cities@...
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            • CEB
              HI, UGB... okay. NU? TOD? (ha) Nuclear Un-development? Tofu-Oriented Destruction? Todd
              Message 6 of 10 , Mar 6, 2005
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                HI,

                UGB... okay. NU? TOD? (ha)

                Nuclear Un-development? Tofu-Oriented Destruction?

                Todd
                ______________________________________________________________
                > Od: "Mike Morin" <mikemorin@...>
                > Komu: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
                > Datum: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:26:50 -0800
                > Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story
                >
                >
                > Oregon has a requirement that metro areas establish Urban Growth Boundaries,
                > which really doesn't stop the sprawl, it just sets limits as to where it can
                > spread to...
                >
                > In the last election, voters approved Measure 37, which stated that the
                > government would have to pay compensation for diminishing the value of land
                > by measures such as implementing the UGBs. I think recently someone
                > submitted the first claim under Measure 37. I'm not a lawyer and have not
                > been following it closely. This is the second time the voters have approved
                > such anti-planning measures. Measure 7, which was very similar to Measure
                > 37, passed a few years ago. Measure 7 did not hold up in the courts. It
                > remains to be seen whether Measure 37 does.
                >
                > Regardless of the outcome of these measures in the courts, UGBs are really
                > too little, too late. The sprawl in regon is terrible. UGBs allow sprawl to
                > continue, though they do place limits on such.
                >
                > Oregon, as most places in the US, are in dire need of massive reconstruction
                > based on principles of NU and TOD. The fundamental changes in the way that
                > resources are allocated to building projects is not in place. In fact, the
                > sprawl builders maintain access to most of the public and private purse
                > strings. There have been a few mixed-use NU developments in Eugene, but thus
                > far they have been marginally successful (more successful as residences than
                > as commercial venues) as sprawl rules and people use their (large) cars for
                > almost all their chores and endeavors.
                >
                > Perhaps someone from Portland will have more to say about that city's
                > efforts and successes.
                >
                > Here in Eugene, we've got a long way to go...
                >
                >
                > Mike Morin
                > Eugene, OR
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "CEB" <cyklopraha@...>
                > To: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:34 PM
                > Subject: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story
                >
                >
                > >
                > > Hey Choir and visitors,
                > >
                > > Hasnt Portland done some kind of sprawl-stop scheme?
                > >
                > > I know very little about this... am expecting a variety of repsonses....
                > >
                > > Todd
                > > ______________________________________________________________
                > >> Od: "Mike Morin" <mikemorin@...>
                > >> Komu: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
                > >> Datum: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:23:36 -0800
                > >> Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
                > >> > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
                > >> > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
                > >> >
                > >> > -Doug
                > >>
                > >> Preaching to the choir.
                > >>
                > >> How many car-free cities are there in the US? Has any area firmly
                > >> established the reduction of auto dependency and sprawl as a goal?
                > >>
                > >> Where are they conducting effective regional planning in the US?
                > >>
                > >> Makes me think of Myron Orfields book "Metropolitics". If I recall
                > >> correctly
                > >> the progressives in Minnesota have been successful at establishing a
                > >> metropolitan tax-sharing scheme based on Orfield's work. Is that correct?
                > >>
                > >> If so, I think it is the only region that is doing something of that
                > >> nature.
                > >>
                > >> If correct, how effective have they been at mitigating the problems of
                > >> the
                > >> "free market" (really the folks who benefit from building
                > >> sprawl)unchecked?
                > >>
                > >> While we're blue-skying, how about proposing regional economic entities
                > >> to
                > >> change the way resources are allocated to and within communities? See
                > >> www.yahoogroups.com/group/Reg_Coop_Comm_Dev . I got the idea from reading
                > >> Orfield's work from the perspective of a businessman (albeit a socialist
                > >> one) rather than a lawyer (Orfield is a lawyer).
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> P&C,
                > >>
                > >> Mike Morin
                > >> >
                > >> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Christopher Miller wrote:
                > >> >
                > >> >> when [DC Metro was] built in the 1970s, it was designed to cover the
                > >> >> existing built area and channel commuters into downtown DC. In the two
                > >> >> decades since, sprawl has led to many commutes being between edge
                > >> >> towns
                > >> >> rather than to and from the center.
                > >> >
                > >> > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and zoning
                > >> > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities to
                > >> > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
                > >> >
                > >> > -Doug
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> > =================
                > >> > Doug Salzmann
                > >> > Kalliergo
                > >> > P.O. Box 307
                > >> > Corte Madera, CA
                > >> > 94976-0307 USA
                > >> >
                > >> > www.kalliergo.net
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> > To Post a message, send it to: carfree_cities@...
                > >> > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
                > >> > carfree_cities-unsubscribe@...
                > >> > Group address: http://www.egroups.com/group/carfree_cities/
                > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >> >
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> To Post a message, send it to: carfree_cities@...
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                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >
                > >
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              • Mike Morin
                NU = New Urbanism TOD = Transit Oriented Development MM = Mike Morin ... From: CEB To: Sent: Sunday,
                Message 7 of 10 , Mar 6, 2005
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                  NU = New Urbanism
                  TOD = Transit Oriented Development


                  MM = Mike Morin

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "CEB" <cyklopraha@...>
                  To: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:57 PM
                  Subject: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story


                  >
                  > HI,
                  >
                  > UGB... okay. NU? TOD? (ha)
                  >
                  > Nuclear Un-development? Tofu-Oriented Destruction?
                  >
                  > Todd
                  > ______________________________________________________________
                  >> Od: "Mike Morin" <mikemorin@...>
                  >> Komu: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> Datum: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:26:50 -0800
                  >> Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Oregon has a requirement that metro areas establish Urban Growth
                  >> Boundaries,
                  >> which really doesn't stop the sprawl, it just sets limits as to where it
                  >> can
                  >> spread to...
                  >>
                  >> In the last election, voters approved Measure 37, which stated that the
                  >> government would have to pay compensation for diminishing the value of
                  >> land
                  >> by measures such as implementing the UGBs. I think recently someone
                  >> submitted the first claim under Measure 37. I'm not a lawyer and have not
                  >> been following it closely. This is the second time the voters have
                  >> approved
                  >> such anti-planning measures. Measure 7, which was very similar to Measure
                  >> 37, passed a few years ago. Measure 7 did not hold up in the courts. It
                  >> remains to be seen whether Measure 37 does.
                  >>
                  >> Regardless of the outcome of these measures in the courts, UGBs are
                  >> really
                  >> too little, too late. The sprawl in regon is terrible. UGBs allow sprawl
                  >> to
                  >> continue, though they do place limits on such.
                  >>
                  >> Oregon, as most places in the US, are in dire need of massive
                  >> reconstruction
                  >> based on principles of NU and TOD. The fundamental changes in the way
                  >> that
                  >> resources are allocated to building projects is not in place. In fact,
                  >> the
                  >> sprawl builders maintain access to most of the public and private purse
                  >> strings. There have been a few mixed-use NU developments in Eugene, but
                  >> thus
                  >> far they have been marginally successful (more successful as residences
                  >> than
                  >> as commercial venues) as sprawl rules and people use their (large) cars
                  >> for
                  >> almost all their chores and endeavors.
                  >>
                  >> Perhaps someone from Portland will have more to say about that city's
                  >> efforts and successes.
                  >>
                  >> Here in Eugene, we've got a long way to go...
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Mike Morin
                  >> Eugene, OR
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: "CEB" <cyklopraha@...>
                  >> To: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:34 PM
                  >> Subject: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> >
                  >> > Hey Choir and visitors,
                  >> >
                  >> > Hasnt Portland done some kind of sprawl-stop scheme?
                  >> >
                  >> > I know very little about this... am expecting a variety of
                  >> > repsonses....
                  >> >
                  >> > Todd
                  >> > ______________________________________________________________
                  >> >> Od: "Mike Morin" <mikemorin@...>
                  >> >> Komu: <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> >> Datum: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:23:36 -0800
                  >> >> Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] Washington Post Metro story
                  >> >>
                  >> >>
                  >> >>
                  >> >> > Another excellent reason for practicing *regional* planning and
                  >> >> > zoning
                  >> >> > (and tax-sharing), rather than permitting individual municipalities
                  >> >> > to
                  >> >> > compete in a mindless scramble to increase the tax base.
                  >> >> >
                  >> >> > -Doug
                  >> >>
                  >> >> Preaching to the choir.
                  >> >>
                  >> >> How many car-free cities are there in the US? Has any area firmly
                  >> >> established the reduction of auto dependency and sprawl as a goal?
                  >> >>
                  >> >> Where are they conducting effective regional planning in the US?
                  >> >>
                  >> >> Makes me think of Myron Orfields book "Metropolitics". If I recall
                  >> >> correctly
                  >> >> the progressives in Minnesota have been successful at establishing a
                  >> >> metropolitan tax-sharing scheme based on Orfield's work. Is that
                  >> >> correct?
                  >> >>
                  >> >> If so, I think it is the only region that is doing something of that
                  >> >> nature.
                  >> >>
                  >> >> If correct, how effective have they been at mitigating the problems of
                  >> >> the
                  >> >> "free market" (really the folks who benefit from building
                  >> >> sprawl)unchecked?
                  >> >>
                  >> >> While we're blue-skying, how about proposing regional economic
                  >> >> entities
                  >> >> to
                  >> >> change the way resources are allocated to and within communities? See
                  >> >> www.yahoogroups.com/group/Reg_Coop_Comm_Dev . I got the idea from
                  >> >> reading
                  >> >> Orfield's work from the perspective of a businessman (albeit a
                  >> >> socialist
                  >> >> one) rather than a lawyer (Orfield is a lawyer).
                  >> >>
                  >> >>
                  >> >> P&C,
                  >> >>
                  >> >> Mike Morin
                  >> >> >
                  >> >> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Christopher Miller wrote:
                  >> >> >
                  >> >> >> when [DC Metro was] built in the 1970s, it was designed to cover
                  >> >> >> the
                  >> >> >> existing built area and channel commuters into downtown DC. In the
                  >> >> >> two
                  >> >> >> decades since, sprawl has led to many commutes being between edge
                  >> >> >> towns
                  >> >> >> rather than to and from the center.
                  >> >> >
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                • Richard Risemberg
                  ... This doesn t really count, but in Los Angeles transit planning is countywide, and it s a huge county. MTA, which runs the Metro trains and city buses,
                  Message 8 of 10 , Mar 7, 2005
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                    On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:42 AM, Todd J. Binkley wrote:

                    >
                    > Mike Morin asked:
                    >
                    >> Where are they conducting effective regional planning in the US?
                    >
                    > Peter Calthorpe and Bill Fulton describe what they call "emerging
                    > regionalism" in Portland, Seattle, Salt Lake City, New York, Chicago,
                    > San
                    > Francisco, and parts of Minnesota, Maryland and Florida; in The
                    > Regional
                    > City (Island Press, 2001).
                    This doesn't really count, but in Los Angeles transit planning is
                    countywide, and it's a huge county. MTA, which runs the Metro trains
                    and city buses, coordinates with other transit agencies and also does
                    things such as running tow truck patrols along the freeways to help
                    stranded motorists get out of traffic lanes and keep the flow
                    moving--as much as it does move.

                    Of course the state of CA has authority over the freeways themselves,
                    and development planning seems to be parcel-by-parcel nowadays, with
                    the progressive stuff generally requiring variances or incentives, but
                    it's something. Not much, but something.

                    Richard
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                  • Andie Miller
                    ... Speaking of LA transit, a wonderful essay: http://tinyurl.com/5vblg
                    Message 9 of 10 , Mar 7, 2005
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                      > This doesn't really count, but in Los Angeles transit
                      > planning is countywide, and it's a huge county. MTA,
                      > which runs the Metro trains and city buses, coordinates
                      > with other transit agencies and also does
                      > things such as running tow truck patrols along the
                      > freeways to help stranded motorists get out of traffic
                      > lanes and keep the flow moving--as much as it does move.

                      Speaking of LA transit, a wonderful essay:

                      http://tinyurl.com/5vblg
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