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  • J.H. Crawford
    ... Rapid adjustment of the seat height is a standard feature of rental bikes in the Netherlands and is, IMHO, essential. -- ###
    Message 1 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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      Jym said:

      >=v= My main issue is that these bikes are usually too small
      >for me. It seems that they should have gradations marked
      >on an adjustable seat stem, etc. That way they'd serve more
      >people *and* have a distinctive, not-to-be-stolen look.

      Rapid adjustment of the seat height is a standard feature
      of rental bikes in the Netherlands and is, IMHO, essential.



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    • Alex Farran
      I ve only ever heard these schemes called White Bikes. If you re looking for a new name how about Ride and Park? -- __o Alex Farran - Open source software
      Message 2 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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        I've only ever heard these schemes called White Bikes. If you're
        looking for a new name how about Ride and Park?
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      • CEB
        Why dont we call them Carfree Citybikes or Car Freecity Bikes or Carfreecity Bikes.. that way we say Carfree over and over and it becomes a mantra and a
        Message 3 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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          Why dont we call them Carfree Citybikes or Car Freecity Bikes or Carfreecity Bikes.. that way we say Carfree over and over and it becomes a mantra and a revolution....hey shoudnt we be discussing this on the Free Bike list.?

          Todd

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        • Todd J. Binkley
          City Bike (for city use only, provided by the city)
          Message 4 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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            "City Bike" (for city use only, provided by the city)

            At 10:51 AM 1/24/2005 +0000, you wrote:


            >Hi All,
            >
            >Ed Beale has raised an objection to my term
            >
            >"drag and drop" bike
            >
            >because "I don't want a bike I have to drag along."
            >
            >Hmmmm. Me either.
            >
            >Anyone have another suggestion?
          • Richard Risemberg
            Or Freedom Wheels! After all, you re freer on a bike (or on foot) than in a car...let s grab back the word. Richard ... -- Richard Risemberg
            Message 5 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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              Or Freedom Wheels! After all, you're freer on a bike (or on foot) than
              in a car...let's grab back the word.

              Richard
              On Jan 24, 2005, at 9:06 AM, CEB wrote:

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              > Why dont we call them Carfree Citybikes or Car Freecity Bikes or
              > Carfreecity Bikes.. that way we say Carfree over and over and it
              > becomes a mantra and a revolution....hey shoudnt we be discussing this
              > on the Free Bike list.?
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              > Todd
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              >> Od: Alex Farran <alex@...>
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              >> Datum: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:30:42 +0000
              >> Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] name advice needed
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              >> I've only ever heard these schemes called White Bikes. If you're
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            • CEB
              Hi, I think it is more about reclaiming the word Freedom from envirionmentalists like G. Bush ... it is kind of a dated word for auto marketing, now they
              Message 6 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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                Hi,

                I think it is more about reclaiming the word "Freedom" from "envirionmentalists" like G. Bush ... it is kind of a dated word for auto marketing, now they use more complicated phrasing...

                how about "Ride"? Like,
                IF THE WEATHER IS WACKY
                AND THE SUN IS HIDING
                MAYBE ITS A "RIDE" YOU SHOULD BE RIDING
                EXTEND YOUR RANGE
                WITH A LITTLE CHANGE
                NO NEED FOR RE-ARRANGING
                CMON THE CLIMATE IS CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGIN
                CH-CH-CH-CH-CH
                ANGING
                ANGING
                CH-CH-CH-CH-CH
                CH
                CH

                Also, dont underestimate the power of using non-English words in non-English speaking countries.

                Todd


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                > Od: Richard Risemberg <rickrise@...>
                > Komu: carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com
                > Datum: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:13:52 -0800
                > Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] name advice needed
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                > Or Freedom Wheels! After all, you're freer on a bike (or on foot) than
                > in a car...let's grab back the word.
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                > Richard
                > On Jan 24, 2005, at 9:06 AM, CEB wrote:
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                > >
                > > Why dont we call them Carfree Citybikes or Car Freecity Bikes or
                > > Carfreecity Bikes.. that way we say Carfree over and over and it
                > > becomes a mantra and a revolution....hey shoudnt we be discussing this
                > > on the Free Bike list.?
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                > > Todd
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                > >> I've only ever heard these schemes called White Bikes. If you're
                > >> looking for a new name how about Ride and Park?
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              • Mike Morin
                How about just FreeWheels ? MM ... From: Richard Risemberg To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:13
                Message 7 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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                  How about just "FreeWheels"?

                  MM

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                  Or Freedom Wheels! After all, you're freer on a bike (or on foot) than
                  in a car...let's grab back the word.

                  Richard
                  On Jan 24, 2005, at 9:06 AM, CEB wrote:

                  >
                  > Why dont we call them Carfree Citybikes or Car Freecity Bikes or
                  > Carfreecity Bikes.. that way we say Carfree over and over and it
                  > becomes a mantra and a revolution....hey shoudnt we be discussing this
                  > on the Free Bike list.?
                  >
                  > Todd
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                  >> Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] name advice needed
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                  >> I've only ever heard these schemes called White Bikes. If you're
                  >> looking for a new name how about Ride and Park?
                  >> --
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                • Andie Miller
                  ... Isn t that how it works in Amsterdam?
                  Message 8 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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                    > These are bikes scattered around the city that you just
                    > take, use, and drop in a rack at the end of your trip.

                    Isn't that how it works in Amsterdam?
                  • CEB
                    Hi, That is not how it works in Amsterdam, not any more. The latest scheme in Amsterdam is actually Holland-wide, and is called... (this message has been
                    Message 9 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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                      Hi,

                      That is not how it works in Amsterdam, not any more. The latest scheme in Amsterdam is actually Holland-wide, and is called... (this message has been continued off-list)....

                      Todd
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                      > Komu: "Carfree Cities" <carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Datum: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:07:18 +0200
                      > Předmět: [carfree_cities] Re: name advice needed
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                      > > These are bikes scattered around the city that you just
                      > > take, use, and drop in a rack at the end of your trip.
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                      > Isn't that how it works in Amsterdam?
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                    • Christopher Miller
                      One thing that strikes me, having looked at what is offered in public use bike programs (and especially in the context of carfree city planning), is that it
                      Message 10 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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                        One thing that strikes me, having looked at what is offered in public
                        use bike programs (and especially in the context of carfree city
                        planning), is that it would be an especially useful idea to offer,
                        either alongside or instead of bicycles, tricycles adapted to carry
                        freight or more than one passenger. "Pick-up" bikes in other words. If
                        build sufficiently wide, they would also be likely to deter theft,
                        since they would be less easy to wheel through a typical urban doorway.
                        In a carfree city, there would certainly be an especially high demand
                        for such bikes, whether for small group excursions or for shopping
                        trips. (I rather doubt that all deliveries would always be taken care
                        of by stores.) Furthermore, being tricycles, their greater stability
                        might attract users who would not be likely to use bikes.

                        Chris Miller
                        Washington DC/Mount Rainier Maryland
                        USA
                      • CEB
                        I predict that in a few days this thread will be about carfree cities with lots of bicycles and tricycles and people asking what to call these huge heavy noisy
                        Message 11 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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                          I predict that in a few days this thread will be about carfree cities with lots of bicycles and tricycles and people asking what to call these huge heavy noisy things with four wheels that people use outside of town and want to use during public transit strikes.

                          Todd
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                          > Od: Christopher Miller <christophermiller@...>
                          > Komu: carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com
                          > Datum: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:10:29 -0500
                          > Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] name advice needed
                          >
                          >
                          > One thing that strikes me, having looked at what is offered in public
                          > use bike programs (and especially in the context of carfree city
                          > planning), is that it would be an especially useful idea to offer,
                          > either alongside or instead of bicycles, tricycles adapted to carry
                          > freight or more than one passenger. "Pick-up" bikes in other words. If
                          > build sufficiently wide, they would also be likely to deter theft,
                          > since they would be less easy to wheel through a typical urban doorway.
                          > In a carfree city, there would certainly be an especially high demand
                          > for such bikes, whether for small group excursions or for shopping
                          > trips. (I rather doubt that all deliveries would always be taken care
                          > of by stores.) Furthermore, being tricycles, their greater stability
                          > might attract users who would not be likely to use bikes.
                          >
                          > Chris Miller
                          > Washington DC/Mount Rainier Maryland
                          > USA
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                        • J.H. Crawford
                          ... No, they re locked up in racks and can only be released with a smart card that has to be charged up at the bank. The system has never gone beyond a very
                          Message 12 of 22 , Jan 24, 2005
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                            >> These are bikes scattered around the city that you just
                            >> take, use, and drop in a rack at the end of your trip.
                            >
                            >Isn't that how it works in Amsterdam?

                            No, they're locked up in racks and can only be released
                            with a "smart card" that has to be charged up at the bank.
                            The system has never gone beyond a very limited test, due
                            to problems.

                            You may be thinking of the "white bike" program of the late
                            1960s, in which thousands of bikes were released in the
                            city for free use (I think mostly repaired old bikes).
                            They were all stolen and repainted by their new "owners"
                            within a week.

                            Regards,


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                          • Debra Efroymson
                            I think it would be great fun to start promoting rickshaws (somehow tricycles sound like they re for little kids) in the US, as a solution to so many of our
                            Message 13 of 22 , Feb 1, 2005
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                              I think it would be great fun to start promoting
                              rickshaws (somehow tricycles sound like they're for
                              little kids) in the US, as a solution to so many of
                              our problems: unemployment, air pollution, high cost
                              of fuel, global warming, etc. I know they're used in
                              some places in the West (such as velotaxi in Germany,
                              no?), though mostly I've seen it for tourists. Not
                              only would it push the debate a bit in the US, it
                              would be immensely helpful for countries in Asia where
                              we're trying to defend them from attack.
                              Anyone with connections to newspapers interested in
                              working with me on this?
                              Debra Efroymson (anima1205@...)

                              --- CEB <cyklopraha@...> wrote:

                              >
                              > I predict that in a few days this thread will be
                              > about carfree cities with lots of bicycles and
                              > tricycles and people asking what to call these huge
                              > heavy noisy things with four wheels that people use
                              > outside of town and want to use during public
                              > transit strikes.
                              >
                              > Todd
                              >
                              ______________________________________________________________
                              > > Od: Christopher Miller <christophermiller@...>
                              > > Komu: carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Datum: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:10:29 -0500
                              > > P�edm�t: Re: [carfree_cities] name advice needed
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > One thing that strikes me, having looked at what
                              > is offered in public
                              > > use bike programs (and especially in the context
                              > of carfree city
                              > > planning), is that it would be an especially
                              > useful idea to offer,
                              > > either alongside or instead of bicycles, tricycles
                              > adapted to carry
                              > > freight or more than one passenger. "Pick-up"
                              > bikes in other words. If
                              > > build sufficiently wide, they would also be likely
                              > to deter theft,
                              > > since they would be less easy to wheel through a
                              > typical urban doorway.
                              > > In a carfree city, there would certainly be an
                              > especially high demand
                              > > for such bikes, whether for small group excursions
                              > or for shopping
                              > > trips. (I rather doubt that all deliveries would
                              > always be taken care
                              > > of by stores.) Furthermore, being tricycles, their
                              > greater stability
                              > > might attract users who would not be likely to use
                              > bikes.
                              > >
                              > > Chris Miller
                              > > Washington DC/Mount Rainier Maryland
                              > > USA
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                            • CEB
                              Debra, As you may know Velotaxi was a contributor to the program of TCFC V in Berlin last summer. I am currently talking about a related thing with the
                              Message 14 of 22 , Feb 1, 2005
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                                Debra,

                                As you may know Velotaxi was a contributor to the program of TCFC V in Berlin last summer. I am currently talking about a related thing with the creators-managers of Velotaxi, so if you want I can "introduce" you to them. They have had a lot of feelers out for many years into possible new markets, so you might want to see what they think about USA as one of them.

                                In most of the non-Western world Velotaxis would be simply too expensive to purchase and operate, BUT... you could do some solidarity programme where a portion of fares in USA go to support individuals or organisations in a place like Dhaka (see our website for more info on the Rickshaw ban there).

                                Todd, Steering Commitee WCN
                                ______________________________________________________________
                                > Od: Debra Efroymson <anima1205@...>
                                > Komu: carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com
                                > Datum: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:55:57 -0800 (PST)
                                > Předmět: [carfree_cities] American rickshaws?
                                >
                                >
                                > I think it would be great fun to start promoting
                                > rickshaws (somehow tricycles sound like they're for
                                > little kids) in the US, as a solution to so many of
                                > our problems: unemployment, air pollution, high cost
                                > of fuel, global warming, etc. I know they're used in
                                > some places in the West (such as velotaxi in Germany,
                                > no?), though mostly I've seen it for tourists. Not
                                > only would it push the debate a bit in the US, it
                                > would be immensely helpful for countries in Asia where
                                > we're trying to defend them from attack.
                                > Anyone with connections to newspapers interested in
                                > working with me on this?
                                > Debra Efroymson (anima1205@...)
                                >
                                > --- CEB <cyklopraha@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                > > I predict that in a few days this thread will be
                                > > about carfree cities with lots of bicycles and
                                > > tricycles and people asking what to call these huge
                                > > heavy noisy things with four wheels that people use
                                > > outside of town and want to use during public
                                > > transit strikes.
                                > >
                                > > Todd
                                > >
                                > ______________________________________________________________
                                > > > Od: Christopher Miller <christophermiller@...>
                                > > > Komu: carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Datum: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:10:29 -0500
                                > > > Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] name advice needed
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > One thing that strikes me, having looked at what
                                > > is offered in public
                                > > > use bike programs (and especially in the context
                                > > of carfree city
                                > > > planning), is that it would be an especially
                                > > useful idea to offer,
                                > > > either alongside or instead of bicycles, tricycles
                                > > adapted to carry
                                > > > freight or more than one passenger. "Pick-up"
                                > > bikes in other words. If
                                > > > build sufficiently wide, they would also be likely
                                > > to deter theft,
                                > > > since they would be less easy to wheel through a
                                > > typical urban doorway.
                                > > > In a carfree city, there would certainly be an
                                > > especially high demand
                                > > > for such bikes, whether for small group excursions
                                > > or for shopping
                                > > > trips. (I rather doubt that all deliveries would
                                > > always be taken care
                                > > > of by stores.) Furthermore, being tricycles, their
                                > > greater stability
                                > > > might attract users who would not be likely to use
                                > > bikes.
                                > > >
                                > > > Chris Miller
                                > > > Washington DC/Mount Rainier Maryland
                                > > > USA
                                > > >
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                              • Richard Risemberg
                                I ve ridden commercial pedicabs in Santa Barbara, California, and I think thehre s an operation in Denver--not sure. The folks to contact would be the ones
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                                  I've ridden commercial pedicabs in Santa Barbara, California, and I
                                  think thehre's an operation in Denver--not sure. The folks to contact
                                  would be the ones doing a good business selling pedicabs (trishaw) in
                                  the US. Start with this bunch:

                                  http://www.pedicab.com/

                                  Rick

                                  On Feb 1, 2005, at 1:55 AM, Debra Efroymson wrote:

                                  >
                                  > I think it would be great fun to start promoting
                                  > rickshaws (somehow tricycles sound like they're for
                                  > little kids) in the US, as a solution to so many of
                                  > our problems: unemployment, air pollution, high cost
                                  > of fuel, global warming, etc. I know they're used in
                                  > some places in the West (such as velotaxi in Germany,
                                  > no?), though mostly I've seen it for tourists. Not
                                  > only would it push the debate a bit in the US, it
                                  > would be immensely helpful for countries in Asia where
                                  > we're trying to defend them from attack.
                                  > Anyone with connections to newspapers interested in
                                  > working with me on this?
                                  > Debra Efroymson (anima1205@...)
                                  --
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                                  http://www.newcolonist.com
                                  http://www.living-room.org
                                • Christopher Miller
                                  A couple of links to other manufacturers that I know of: Nihola in Denmark build several models of individual/family three-wheelers. Most of the information on
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                                    A couple of links to other manufacturers that I know of:

                                    Nihola in Denmark build several models of individual/family
                                    three-wheelers. Most of the information on the site is in Danish and
                                    German. They have English translations in the works but they aren't up
                                    yet for the most part. However, their pictures are worth a thousand
                                    words: there are several for each of the models listed in the linkbar
                                    on the left side of the page. And don't mind the whimsical names like
                                    Cigar family and Cigar dog: click on the link and you'll see what
                                    they're all about. The Nihola page:

                                    http://www.nihola.dk/

                                    Some interesting electric-assisted quadricycles targeted at commercial
                                    users are designed by Advanced Vehicle Designs in England. They include
                                    a Taxi, Van and Stablemate models and go for between 3000 and 4800
                                    euros depending n the model:

                                    http://www.a-v-d.com/

                                    The parent company recently sold off this segment of their business to
                                    a German company, whose site still only has partial information:

                                    http://www.work-bikes.de/

                                    The designs have also been licensed to a US group of entrepeneurs in
                                    Pennsylvania, who have tons of info and images on their site:

                                    http://www.kronosport.com/

                                    As it is, it looks like there is a "trike-load" of good ideas for
                                    workbikes out there, ready to take the place of conventional cars and
                                    small trucks if given a chance. Is anyone else aware of other workbike
                                    oufits?

                                    Chris Miller
                                    Washington DC/Mount Rainier, Maryland

                                    On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Richard Risemberg wrote:

                                    >
                                    > I've ridden commercial pedicabs in Santa Barbara, California, and I
                                    > think thehre's an operation in Denver--not sure. The folks to contact
                                    > would be the ones doing a good business selling pedicabs (trishaw) in
                                    > the US. Start with this bunch:
                                    >
                                    > http://www.pedicab.com/
                                  • CEB
                                    Chris! That stuff is so cool it almost made it cry. One good thing about Velotaxi and some of these designs is their capacity for generating revenue by being a
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                                      Chris!

                                      That stuff is so cool it almost made it cry.

                                      One good thing about Velotaxi and some of these designs is their capacity for generating revenue by being a moving advert. This of course brings in the "corporate rape of public visual space" issue but sometimes traffic calm-promising is ok or you could advertise only socially-beneficially things...

                                      Does the Danish ad bike thing rotate? Genius!!

                                      Todd
                                      ______________________________________________________________
                                      > Od: Christopher Miller <christophermiller@...>
                                      > Komu: carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Datum: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:54:39 -0500
                                      > Předmět: Re: [carfree_cities] American rickshaws?
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > A couple of links to other manufacturers that I know of:
                                      >
                                      > Nihola in Denmark build several models of individual/family
                                      > three-wheelers. Most of the information on the site is in Danish and
                                      > German. They have English translations in the works but they aren't up
                                      > yet for the most part. However, their pictures are worth a thousand
                                      > words: there are several for each of the models listed in the linkbar
                                      > on the left side of the page. And don't mind the whimsical names like
                                      > Cigar family and Cigar dog: click on the link and you'll see what
                                      > they're all about. The Nihola page:
                                      >
                                      > http://www.nihola.dk/
                                      >
                                      > Some interesting electric-assisted quadricycles targeted at commercial
                                      > users are designed by Advanced Vehicle Designs in England. They include
                                      > a Taxi, Van and Stablemate models and go for between 3000 and 4800
                                      > euros depending n the model:
                                      >
                                      > http://www.a-v-d.com/
                                      >
                                      > The parent company recently sold off this segment of their business to
                                      > a German company, whose site still only has partial information:
                                      >
                                      > http://www.work-bikes.de/
                                      >
                                      > The designs have also been licensed to a US group of entrepeneurs in
                                      > Pennsylvania, who have tons of info and images on their site:
                                      >
                                      > http://www.kronosport.com/
                                      >
                                      > As it is, it looks like there is a "trike-load" of good ideas for
                                      > workbikes out there, ready to take the place of conventional cars and
                                      > small trucks if given a chance. Is anyone else aware of other workbike
                                      > oufits?
                                      >
                                      > Chris Miller
                                      > Washington DC/Mount Rainier, Maryland
                                      >
                                      > On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Richard Risemberg wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      > > I've ridden commercial pedicabs in Santa Barbara, California, and I
                                      > > think thehre's an operation in Denver--not sure. The folks to contact
                                      > > would be the ones doing a good business selling pedicabs (trishaw) in
                                      > > the US. Start with this bunch:
                                      > >
                                      > > http://www.pedicab.com/
                                      >
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                                    • Andrew Hitchcock
                                      I thought about this a few months ago. It seemed like a good weekend job to get some exercise, increase car free awareness (you don t need a taxi!), and make a
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                                        I thought about this a few months ago. It seemed like a good weekend job
                                        to get some exercise, increase car free awareness (you don't need a
                                        taxi!), and make a little extra cash. I don't believe taxis are allowed to
                                        pick people up off the street here in Seattle, so it wouldn't have much
                                        competition in downtown (except with buses, but not everyone wants to take
                                        one of those and sometimes bus stops are far away). It might be popular to
                                        shuttle around the people who come to town on the weekends, who don't
                                        necessarily know the bus schedule that well and just want to get somewhere
                                        quick.

                                        Also, rickshaws are preferable in car free city over taxis in a car filled
                                        city because they are quiet, cleaner (no pollution), much cheaper to buy
                                        and operate, the operators get exercise, and you don't have to be that
                                        skilled to run one.

                                        Andrew

                                        >
                                        > I think it would be great fun to start promoting
                                        > rickshaws (somehow tricycles sound like they're for
                                        > little kids) in the US, as a solution to so many of
                                        > our problems: unemployment, air pollution, high cost
                                        > of fuel, global warming, etc. I know they're used in
                                        > some places in the West (such as velotaxi in Germany,
                                        > no?), though mostly I've seen it for tourists. Not
                                        > only would it push the debate a bit in the US, it
                                        > would be immensely helpful for countries in Asia where
                                        > we're trying to defend them from attack.
                                        > Anyone with connections to newspapers interested in
                                        > working with me on this?
                                        > Debra Efroymson (anima1205@...)
                                        >
                                        > --- CEB <cyklopraha@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >>
                                        >> I predict that in a few days this thread will be
                                        >> about carfree cities with lots of bicycles and
                                        >> tricycles and people asking what to call these huge
                                        >> heavy noisy things with four wheels that people use
                                        >> outside of town and want to use during public
                                        >> transit strikes.
                                        >>
                                        >> Todd
                                        >>
                                        > ______________________________________________________________
                                        >> > Od: Christopher Miller <christophermiller@...>
                                        >> > Komu: carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com
                                        >> > Datum: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:10:29 -0500
                                        >> > Pøedmìt: Re: [carfree_cities] name advice needed
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> > One thing that strikes me, having looked at what
                                        >> is offered in public
                                        >> > use bike programs (and especially in the context
                                        >> of carfree city
                                        >> > planning), is that it would be an especially
                                        >> useful idea to offer,
                                        >> > either alongside or instead of bicycles, tricycles
                                        >> adapted to carry
                                        >> > freight or more than one passenger. "Pick-up"
                                        >> bikes in other words. If
                                        >> > build sufficiently wide, they would also be likely
                                        >> to deter theft,
                                        >> > since they would be less easy to wheel through a
                                        >> typical urban doorway.
                                        >> > In a carfree city, there would certainly be an
                                        >> especially high demand
                                        >> > for such bikes, whether for small group excursions
                                        >> or for shopping
                                        >> > trips. (I rather doubt that all deliveries would
                                        >> always be taken care
                                        >> > of by stores.) Furthermore, being tricycles, their
                                        >> greater stability
                                        >> > might attract users who would not be likely to use
                                        >> bikes.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Chris Miller
                                        >> > Washington DC/Mount Rainier Maryland
                                        >> > USA
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                                      • Karen Sandness
                                        Just a picky little correction: a rickshaw (from the Japanese jinrikisha ) is a two-wheeled passenger vehicle, sort of like a pony cart, only with a person
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                                          Just a picky little correction: a rickshaw (from the Japanese
                                          "jinrikisha") is a two-wheeled passenger vehicle, sort of like a pony
                                          cart, only with a person playing the role of pony. They were banned in
                                          China under the Communist government, and they are extinct in Japan,
                                          except as novelty rides in tourist spots or as a way for high-class
                                          geisha to arrive at an appointment.

                                          The discussion here is apparently about pedicabs, which are not used to
                                          any great extent in Japan but which seemed to be the freight vehicle of
                                          choice in China when I was there in 1990 and were even used as taxicabs
                                          in some cities.

                                          In transit,
                                          Karen Sandness
                                        • Debra Efroymson
                                          Not to prolong an unnecessary discussion but in Bangladesh (a country of 140 million people), they call the three-wheel model a rickshaw. Pedicab may indeed
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                                            Not to prolong an unnecessary discussion but in
                                            Bangladesh (a country of 140 million people), they
                                            call the three-wheel model a rickshaw. Pedicab may
                                            indeed be useful as an international term, but it is
                                            meaningless here, where rickshaws are still a main
                                            source of transport.
                                            Anima

                                            --- Karen Sandness <ksandness@...> wrote:

                                            >
                                            > Just a picky little correction: a rickshaw (from the
                                            > Japanese
                                            > "jinrikisha") is a two-wheeled passenger vehicle,
                                            > sort of like a pony
                                            > cart, only with a person playing the role of pony.
                                            > They were banned in
                                            > China under the Communist government, and they are
                                            > extinct in Japan,
                                            > except as novelty rides in tourist spots or as a way
                                            > for high-class
                                            > geisha to arrive at an appointment.
                                            >
                                            > The discussion here is apparently about pedicabs,
                                            > which are not used to
                                            > any great extent in Japan but which seemed to be the
                                            > freight vehicle of
                                            > choice in China when I was there in 1990 and were
                                            > even used as taxicabs
                                            > in some cities.
                                            >
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                                            > Karen Sandness
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