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  • bumpkinbubba
    ... wrote: (snip) ... I ... You might want to sign the guestbook at www.FreeAmerican.com and explain there what ANSE stands for, because you ve sure got me
    Message 1 of 12 , May 10, 2004
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      --- In carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com, "himscoti" <emperor@a...>
      wrote:
      (snip)
      > By way of introduction, I am the founder of the ANSE. I will admit
      > that this is a racially motivated organization. I am a white
      > national, and a national socialist. However, out of respect for the
      > people of this group, and especially the author and administrator,
      I
      > will keep my political and racial beliefs to myself.


      You might want to sign the guestbook at www.FreeAmerican.com and
      explain there what ANSE stands for, because you've sure got me
      curious! I'll remember to take a peek there. In the meantime, I'm
      ignoring anti-Triad racist _Jym_'s ad-hominem assumption of what ANSE
      stands for.


      (snip)
      > We of the ANSE are intending very seriously to construct an island
      > in international waters in order that we may have sovereign
      > jurisdiction over our own affairs.


      Reminds me of the way that _I_ used to pipe dream. Do you think
      you'll have the necessary _boat_ built by the time you're an old
      geezer?


      (snip)
      > To date, we do have three plots of land in the United States. One
      > 100 acre plot in west Texas, one 200 acre plot in Arizona, and a
      > small 150' x 150' plot near Port Lavaca, Texas which gives us
      access
      > to the Gulf of Mexico.


      I think your best bet would be to have these plots secede from the
      U.S. and declare them to be part of the u.S., rather. (Small-case
      "u.") This gives you the sovereignty that you want without all the
      hassle and expense of building an island. All of the necessary papers
      can be obtained through books that are advertised at the Free
      American website. Many of them are printed up in the Turks and Caicos
      Islands.

      That reminds me - it was near the Turks and Caicos Islands that I
      once saw a ready-made island that might also be an option for you,
      consisting of an abandoned ship on a reef. Although I think it was
      within TC territorial waters, it seems that the tin-pot regime
      thereof would probably be happy to accept a sum of money to redraw
      the map so as to exclude it therefrom. Maybe even a lesser sum of
      money than what it'd cost you to buy all those forms that the books
      advertised in the Free American tell you about.


      - BumpkinBubba
    • emperor@ansempire.net
      ... Aryan National Socialist Empire http://ansempire.net http://government.ansempire.net Hope that satisfies your curiosity. ... Nothing is garunteed, but I
      Message 2 of 12 , May 10, 2004
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        bumpkinbubba wrote:

        > You might want to sign the guestbook at www.FreeAmerican.com and
        > explain there what ANSE stands for, because you've sure got me
        > curious! I'll remember to take a peek there. In the meantime, I'm
        > ignoring anti-Triad racist _Jym_'s ad-hominem assumption of what ANSE
        > stands for.

        Aryan National Socialist Empire http://ansempire.net
        http://government.ansempire.net

        Hope that satisfies your curiosity.

        > Reminds me of the way that _I_ used to pipe dream. Do you think
        > you'll have the necessary _boat_ built by the time you're an old
        > geezer?

        Nothing is garunteed, but I don't expect we will build a boat. We will
        either charter one or purchase one.

        > I think your best bet would be to have these plots secede from the
        > U.S. and declare them to be part of the u.S., rather. (Small-case
        > "u.") This gives you the sovereignty that you want without all the
        > hassle and expense of building an island.

        Not a very smart move to attempt to secede form the US. Unless, of course,
        you have a death wish.

        Scot
      • emperor@ansempire.net
        Hello Steve: ... I agree with you. That is why we have chosen to build an island rather than attempt to claim sovereignty over an already existing island, or
        Message 3 of 12 , May 10, 2004
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          Hello Steve:


          Steve Geller wrote:

          > The human territorial instinct has ensured that every island on the planet
          > is claimed by some nation. Trying to take over one of them
          > can be dangerous to a group's health. China makes threatening
          > noises about Taiwan. Indonesia fought over West Irian.
          > Argentina and Britain went to war over the Falklands.
          > The American Indian Movement held Alcatraz for a while.
          > Look at what happened to the urban "islands" held by
          > the Branch Davidians and MOVE.

          I agree with you. That is why we have chosen to build an island rather than
          attempt to claim sovereignty over an already existing island, or to attempt
          to take land by force. Our numbers are just too small for conflict at the
          moment. We would prefere peace, of course, but we expect that we will have
          to defend our island at some point.

          > I don't think any island nations have found it comfortable
          > to be car-free. Singapore hasn't. Iceland hasn't.
          > Taiwan sure hasn't, even though they use a lot of scooters.
          > Britain and Ireland haven't.

          I suppost that has a lot to do with how their cities are built. I think the
          author might agree.

          > Even isolated island communities still keep cars.
          > The only exception I could think of immediately
          > was the island of Mackinac, off Michigan.
          >
          http://www.nationaltrust.org/dozen_distinctive_destinations/2003/mackinac.html
          > Being car-free is a selling point for its tourist economy.

          We have a member who lives on Mackinac Island although I didn't know much
          about it to ask him anything about it until now.

          > Sounds difficult and expensive. The island economy would have to have
          > some strong export component, like Singapore's shipping or Qatar's oil.
          > What would be really great would be to find s shoal attached to
          > a diamond pipe.

          That would be nice, but not likely at the site we have chosen. We expect
          that agricultural will be the largest export. We are looking into the
          possibility of setting up a smaller satalite island for a casino.

          > The image I get is something like French Frigate Shoals, Hawaii,
          > which was built up to be habitable by the USN/USCG.
          > http://www.radiojerry.com/frigate/

          I will have to look into this site.

          > I suppose a group like ANSE could get first rights on a new island,
          > as it rose from an undersea volcano.

          Perhaps, but I am not sure that it would be practicle to try to establish
          any city on it, unless you like putting out your city every so often.

          > Even for a shoal, there's the concept of exclusive national economic
          zones.
          > The US and Canada, normally happy neighbors, have squabbled over fishing
          > rights. Iceland tangled with the Brits.

          Yes, territorial waters = 12 nauticle miles, economic zones, up to 200
          nauticle miles. We will have to deal with Mexico on this one.

          > Even the Nazis in Germany didn't get close to a pure racial nation.
          > Germans have always come in many racial strains -- not all are
          > blond blue-eyed "aryans". No nation has. One of the main reasons
          > for racial diversity has been the importation of slaves in the past
          > and guest workers today. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are unlikely
          > to remain racially pure if they keep importing workers.

          Adolf Hitler realized this fact. He was short and certianly didn't have
          blond hair. The concept was to evolve the race to be better than it is. I
          think every race can do this and keep pure bloodlines. Of course, pure is a
          reletive term. Again, even Adolf realized this. His idea was that we could
          atone for the dilution of the bloodlines by working to make them better and
          better over time. Euginics was to be the means.

          > Your island ANSE nation might find it needs "other" people
          > living there to keep the place running.

          I am sure that we can do what any "other" person could do effectivly enough.

          > Japan still seems fairly racially homogeneous. They have decent
          > public transportation, but are nowhere near car-free.

          I like Japan because the people there embrace technology. However, they are
          a bit overcrowded. At least from what I've see. I've never been there, but
          everytime I see something on TV about Japan, the scene is just... dense.
          Dense with people, buildings, cars, etc.

          > The common features of car-free places seem to be
          > small size, isolation, or geography inconvenient for roads.
          > An urban areas, can be car-free if people can get to nearly
          > all their destinations on foot, as in the Moroccan Medinas.

          I believe that is the idea that the author was attempting to get across when
          he spoke of the campus of the school he attended. Getting to a place on foot
          is the ideal way to do it but everything has to be close, within walking
          distance. When this is not practical, bikes and public transportation can be
          used.

          Living in Denver, Colorado for a time, I have to say that there is an
          extensive public transportation system there (primarily busses). That makes
          it convenient to get around. I lived there for a little over two years and
          never had a car until my last two months there. When I moved back to
          Arkansas, I was reminded of the utter lack of public transport. Sure, Little
          Rock and North Little Rock have busses, but not many. And I live in Conway,
          Arkansas. No public transportation here at all. In order to live and do the
          things necessary to living (work, grocery shopping, etc.) one MUST have a
          car or do without the most basic needs.

          Scot
        • Jym Dyer
          ... =v= The neo-Nazi shows his true colors here. Recall that in his first message he wrote this: [O]ut of respect for the people of this group, and especially
          Message 4 of 12 , May 10, 2004
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            The Aryan National Socialist Empire's would-be Emperor writes:

            > Again, even Adolf realized this. His idea was that we could
            > atone for the dilution [sic] of the bloodlines by working to
            > make them better and better over time. Euginics [sic] was to
            > be the means.

            =v= The neo-Nazi shows his true colors here. Recall that in
            his first message he wrote this:

            [O]ut of respect for the people of this group, and especially
            the author and administrator, I will keep my political and
            racial beliefs to myself.

            When I pointed out that he'd already put a disrespectful foot
            forward, he responded with this:

            I will do what I have said. Its [sic] a matter of honor.
            Will you do the same?

            And now we have exactly what he said he'd keep to himself. So
            much for honor.
            <_Jym_>
          • Simon Baddeley
            How about the Isle of Wight in the English Channel? There are some really nice tea shops there and people seem friendly, reliable ferries and buses and lots of
            Message 5 of 12 , May 10, 2004
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              How about the Isle of Wight in the English Channel? There are some really
              nice tea shops there and people seem friendly, reliable ferries and buses
              and lots of small harbours. The Queen keeps a house there which could
              perhaps be rented for the Emperor of ANSE. I once sailed there from the
              mainland on my own boat and went to see "King Kong" in the cinema at Newport
              before returning home around midnight.

              Simon

              On 10/5/04 4:09 pm, "emperor@..." <emperor@...> wrote:

              > Hello Steve:
              >
              >
              > Steve Geller wrote:
              >
              >> The human territorial instinct has ensured that every island on the planet
              >> is claimed by some nation. Trying to take over one of them
              >> can be dangerous to a group's health. China makes threatening
              >> noises about Taiwan. Indonesia fought over West Irian.
              >> Argentina and
            • Simon Baddeley
              Did you know that Adolf had an illegitimate brother called Heinrich - I think - who married or lived with a Romany and went to live on an island off Cape Wrath
              Message 6 of 12 , May 10, 2004
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                Did you know that Adolf had an illegitimate brother called Heinrich - I
                think - who married or lived with a Romany and went to live on an island off
                Cape Wrath and lived in happy obscurity after changing his name? S


                On 10/5/04 4:22 pm, "Jym Dyer" <jym@...> wrote:

                > The Aryan National Socialist Empire's would-be Emperor writes:
                >
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