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  • Steve Geller
    ... The human territorial instinct has ensured that every island on the planet is claimed by some nation. Trying to take over one of them can be dangerous to
    Message 1 of 12 , May 9 5:10 PM
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      >That seems to be a problem. The fact is that, as far as I know, every piece
      >of land is already claimed by another nation (land that is useful anyway).
      >To purchase an island, and then claim sovereignty over it would likely incur
      >a conflict. The polar regions would not allow us the ability to produce food
      >via agriculture and so, that area is ruled out.

      The human territorial instinct has ensured that every island on the planet
      is claimed by some nation. Trying to take over one of them
      can be dangerous to a group's health. China makes threatening
      noises about Taiwan. Indonesia fought over West Irian.
      Argentina and Britain went to war over the Falklands.
      The American Indian Movement held Alcatraz for a while.
      Look at what happened to the urban "islands" held by
      the Branch Davidians and MOVE.

      I don't think any island nations have found it comfortable
      to be car-free. Singapore hasn't. Iceland hasn't.
      Taiwan sure hasn't, even though they use a lot of scooters.
      Britain and Ireland haven't.

      Even isolated island communities still keep cars.
      The only exception I could think of immediately
      was the island of Mackinac, off Michigan.
      http://www.nationaltrust.org/dozen_distinctive_destinations/2003/mackinac.html
      Being car-free is a selling point for its tourist economy.

      I did find this site:
      http://www.carfree.com/carfree_places.html

      >We have determined that constructing an island over a shoal outside the
      >jurisdiction of a nation's waters is the best way to go. This would consist
      >of using concrete walls and columns to create the foundation of the island.

      Sounds difficult and expensive. The island economy would have to have
      some strong export component, like Singapore's shipping or Qatar's oil.
      What would be really great would be to find s shoal attached to
      a diamond pipe.

      The image I get is something like French Frigate Shoals, Hawaii,
      which was built up to be habitable by the USN/USCG.
      http://www.radiojerry.com/frigate/

      I suppose a group like ANSE could get first rights on a new island,
      as it rose from an undersea volcano.

      Even for a shoal, there's the concept of exclusive national economic zones.
      The US and Canada, normally happy neighbors, have squabbled over fishing
      rights. Iceland tangled with the Brits.

      Even the Nazis in Germany didn't get close to a pure racial nation.
      Germans have always come in many racial strains -- not all are
      blond blue-eyed "aryans". No nation has. One of the main reasons
      for racial diversity has been the importation of slaves in the past
      and guest workers today. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are unlikely
      to remain racially pure if they keep importing workers.

      Your island ANSE nation might find it needs "other" people
      living there to keep the place running.

      Japan still seems fairly racially homogeneous. They have decent
      public transportation, but are nowhere near car-free.

      The common features of car-free places seem to be
      small size, isolation, or geography inconvenient for roads.
      An urban areas, can be car-free if people can get to nearly
      all their destinations on foot, as in the Moroccan Medinas.
    • bumpkinbubba
      ... wrote: (snip) ... I ... You might want to sign the guestbook at www.FreeAmerican.com and explain there what ANSE stands for, because you ve sure got me
      Message 2 of 12 , May 10 6:37 AM
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        --- In carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com, "himscoti" <emperor@a...>
        wrote:
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        > By way of introduction, I am the founder of the ANSE. I will admit
        > that this is a racially motivated organization. I am a white
        > national, and a national socialist. However, out of respect for the
        > people of this group, and especially the author and administrator,
        I
        > will keep my political and racial beliefs to myself.


        You might want to sign the guestbook at www.FreeAmerican.com and
        explain there what ANSE stands for, because you've sure got me
        curious! I'll remember to take a peek there. In the meantime, I'm
        ignoring anti-Triad racist _Jym_'s ad-hominem assumption of what ANSE
        stands for.


        (snip)
        > We of the ANSE are intending very seriously to construct an island
        > in international waters in order that we may have sovereign
        > jurisdiction over our own affairs.


        Reminds me of the way that _I_ used to pipe dream. Do you think
        you'll have the necessary _boat_ built by the time you're an old
        geezer?


        (snip)
        > To date, we do have three plots of land in the United States. One
        > 100 acre plot in west Texas, one 200 acre plot in Arizona, and a
        > small 150' x 150' plot near Port Lavaca, Texas which gives us
        access
        > to the Gulf of Mexico.


        I think your best bet would be to have these plots secede from the
        U.S. and declare them to be part of the u.S., rather. (Small-case
        "u.") This gives you the sovereignty that you want without all the
        hassle and expense of building an island. All of the necessary papers
        can be obtained through books that are advertised at the Free
        American website. Many of them are printed up in the Turks and Caicos
        Islands.

        That reminds me - it was near the Turks and Caicos Islands that I
        once saw a ready-made island that might also be an option for you,
        consisting of an abandoned ship on a reef. Although I think it was
        within TC territorial waters, it seems that the tin-pot regime
        thereof would probably be happy to accept a sum of money to redraw
        the map so as to exclude it therefrom. Maybe even a lesser sum of
        money than what it'd cost you to buy all those forms that the books
        advertised in the Free American tell you about.


        - BumpkinBubba
      • emperor@ansempire.net
        ... Aryan National Socialist Empire http://ansempire.net http://government.ansempire.net Hope that satisfies your curiosity. ... Nothing is garunteed, but I
        Message 3 of 12 , May 10 7:45 AM
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          bumpkinbubba wrote:

          > You might want to sign the guestbook at www.FreeAmerican.com and
          > explain there what ANSE stands for, because you've sure got me
          > curious! I'll remember to take a peek there. In the meantime, I'm
          > ignoring anti-Triad racist _Jym_'s ad-hominem assumption of what ANSE
          > stands for.

          Aryan National Socialist Empire http://ansempire.net
          http://government.ansempire.net

          Hope that satisfies your curiosity.

          > Reminds me of the way that _I_ used to pipe dream. Do you think
          > you'll have the necessary _boat_ built by the time you're an old
          > geezer?

          Nothing is garunteed, but I don't expect we will build a boat. We will
          either charter one or purchase one.

          > I think your best bet would be to have these plots secede from the
          > U.S. and declare them to be part of the u.S., rather. (Small-case
          > "u.") This gives you the sovereignty that you want without all the
          > hassle and expense of building an island.

          Not a very smart move to attempt to secede form the US. Unless, of course,
          you have a death wish.

          Scot
        • emperor@ansempire.net
          Hello Steve: ... I agree with you. That is why we have chosen to build an island rather than attempt to claim sovereignty over an already existing island, or
          Message 4 of 12 , May 10 8:09 AM
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            Hello Steve:


            Steve Geller wrote:

            > The human territorial instinct has ensured that every island on the planet
            > is claimed by some nation. Trying to take over one of them
            > can be dangerous to a group's health. China makes threatening
            > noises about Taiwan. Indonesia fought over West Irian.
            > Argentina and Britain went to war over the Falklands.
            > The American Indian Movement held Alcatraz for a while.
            > Look at what happened to the urban "islands" held by
            > the Branch Davidians and MOVE.

            I agree with you. That is why we have chosen to build an island rather than
            attempt to claim sovereignty over an already existing island, or to attempt
            to take land by force. Our numbers are just too small for conflict at the
            moment. We would prefere peace, of course, but we expect that we will have
            to defend our island at some point.

            > I don't think any island nations have found it comfortable
            > to be car-free. Singapore hasn't. Iceland hasn't.
            > Taiwan sure hasn't, even though they use a lot of scooters.
            > Britain and Ireland haven't.

            I suppost that has a lot to do with how their cities are built. I think the
            author might agree.

            > Even isolated island communities still keep cars.
            > The only exception I could think of immediately
            > was the island of Mackinac, off Michigan.
            >
            http://www.nationaltrust.org/dozen_distinctive_destinations/2003/mackinac.html
            > Being car-free is a selling point for its tourist economy.

            We have a member who lives on Mackinac Island although I didn't know much
            about it to ask him anything about it until now.

            > Sounds difficult and expensive. The island economy would have to have
            > some strong export component, like Singapore's shipping or Qatar's oil.
            > What would be really great would be to find s shoal attached to
            > a diamond pipe.

            That would be nice, but not likely at the site we have chosen. We expect
            that agricultural will be the largest export. We are looking into the
            possibility of setting up a smaller satalite island for a casino.

            > The image I get is something like French Frigate Shoals, Hawaii,
            > which was built up to be habitable by the USN/USCG.
            > http://www.radiojerry.com/frigate/

            I will have to look into this site.

            > I suppose a group like ANSE could get first rights on a new island,
            > as it rose from an undersea volcano.

            Perhaps, but I am not sure that it would be practicle to try to establish
            any city on it, unless you like putting out your city every so often.

            > Even for a shoal, there's the concept of exclusive national economic
            zones.
            > The US and Canada, normally happy neighbors, have squabbled over fishing
            > rights. Iceland tangled with the Brits.

            Yes, territorial waters = 12 nauticle miles, economic zones, up to 200
            nauticle miles. We will have to deal with Mexico on this one.

            > Even the Nazis in Germany didn't get close to a pure racial nation.
            > Germans have always come in many racial strains -- not all are
            > blond blue-eyed "aryans". No nation has. One of the main reasons
            > for racial diversity has been the importation of slaves in the past
            > and guest workers today. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are unlikely
            > to remain racially pure if they keep importing workers.

            Adolf Hitler realized this fact. He was short and certianly didn't have
            blond hair. The concept was to evolve the race to be better than it is. I
            think every race can do this and keep pure bloodlines. Of course, pure is a
            reletive term. Again, even Adolf realized this. His idea was that we could
            atone for the dilution of the bloodlines by working to make them better and
            better over time. Euginics was to be the means.

            > Your island ANSE nation might find it needs "other" people
            > living there to keep the place running.

            I am sure that we can do what any "other" person could do effectivly enough.

            > Japan still seems fairly racially homogeneous. They have decent
            > public transportation, but are nowhere near car-free.

            I like Japan because the people there embrace technology. However, they are
            a bit overcrowded. At least from what I've see. I've never been there, but
            everytime I see something on TV about Japan, the scene is just... dense.
            Dense with people, buildings, cars, etc.

            > The common features of car-free places seem to be
            > small size, isolation, or geography inconvenient for roads.
            > An urban areas, can be car-free if people can get to nearly
            > all their destinations on foot, as in the Moroccan Medinas.

            I believe that is the idea that the author was attempting to get across when
            he spoke of the campus of the school he attended. Getting to a place on foot
            is the ideal way to do it but everything has to be close, within walking
            distance. When this is not practical, bikes and public transportation can be
            used.

            Living in Denver, Colorado for a time, I have to say that there is an
            extensive public transportation system there (primarily busses). That makes
            it convenient to get around. I lived there for a little over two years and
            never had a car until my last two months there. When I moved back to
            Arkansas, I was reminded of the utter lack of public transport. Sure, Little
            Rock and North Little Rock have busses, but not many. And I live in Conway,
            Arkansas. No public transportation here at all. In order to live and do the
            things necessary to living (work, grocery shopping, etc.) one MUST have a
            car or do without the most basic needs.

            Scot
          • Jym Dyer
            ... =v= The neo-Nazi shows his true colors here. Recall that in his first message he wrote this: [O]ut of respect for the people of this group, and especially
            Message 5 of 12 , May 10 8:22 AM
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              The Aryan National Socialist Empire's would-be Emperor writes:

              > Again, even Adolf realized this. His idea was that we could
              > atone for the dilution [sic] of the bloodlines by working to
              > make them better and better over time. Euginics [sic] was to
              > be the means.

              =v= The neo-Nazi shows his true colors here. Recall that in
              his first message he wrote this:

              [O]ut of respect for the people of this group, and especially
              the author and administrator, I will keep my political and
              racial beliefs to myself.

              When I pointed out that he'd already put a disrespectful foot
              forward, he responded with this:

              I will do what I have said. Its [sic] a matter of honor.
              Will you do the same?

              And now we have exactly what he said he'd keep to himself. So
              much for honor.
              <_Jym_>
            • Simon Baddeley
              How about the Isle of Wight in the English Channel? There are some really nice tea shops there and people seem friendly, reliable ferries and buses and lots of
              Message 6 of 12 , May 10 8:33 AM
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                How about the Isle of Wight in the English Channel? There are some really
                nice tea shops there and people seem friendly, reliable ferries and buses
                and lots of small harbours. The Queen keeps a house there which could
                perhaps be rented for the Emperor of ANSE. I once sailed there from the
                mainland on my own boat and went to see "King Kong" in the cinema at Newport
                before returning home around midnight.

                Simon

                On 10/5/04 4:09 pm, "emperor@..." <emperor@...> wrote:

                > Hello Steve:
                >
                >
                > Steve Geller wrote:
                >
                >> The human territorial instinct has ensured that every island on the planet
                >> is claimed by some nation. Trying to take over one of them
                >> can be dangerous to a group's health. China makes threatening
                >> noises about Taiwan. Indonesia fought over West Irian.
                >> Argentina and
              • Simon Baddeley
                Did you know that Adolf had an illegitimate brother called Heinrich - I think - who married or lived with a Romany and went to live on an island off Cape Wrath
                Message 7 of 12 , May 10 8:44 AM
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                  Did you know that Adolf had an illegitimate brother called Heinrich - I
                  think - who married or lived with a Romany and went to live on an island off
                  Cape Wrath and lived in happy obscurity after changing his name? S


                  On 10/5/04 4:22 pm, "Jym Dyer" <jym@...> wrote:

                  > The Aryan National Socialist Empire's would-be Emperor writes:
                  >
                  >>
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