Re: [carfree_cities] tolls
- I was driven on the Southern and Western portions of the toll road
once. We managed to drive a long distance, and then exited one exit
before the Bellaire toll plaza, and didn't have to pay a single toll.
There are also feader roads along most of the length of the toll road
allowing further easy avoidance of the tolls. I imagine they could
make some money on those southern tolls if they just put a little
effort in to it. Though by having the feaders, they are pretty much
shut out of any toll revenue for short trips. (But being Houston,
there probably aren't many of those!)
On the other hand, the e470 in Denver seems to be done a little better.
It is more difficult to get out of paying tolls, the tolls are
> Toll roads don't always deliver the revenues they promise. InHouston, the
> Harris County Toll Road AuthorityHouston
> has some of the highest per-mile rates in the US, which populists have
> dubbed "Lexus Lanes." The northern and western portions of its Sam
> tollway make money, but the eastern and southern sections arelosers. The
> HCTRA's Hardy Toll Road in the north also loses money. Toll roadshave
> become more common out of necessity. TxDOT now pays out sixtypercent of
> its cash flow for road maintenance, and little money is left over forthe
> construction of new freeways in Texas. TxDOT envision that new roadfunding
> will eventually completely dry up as the state's highways age.unsubscribe@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dubluth" <dubluth@...>
> > I may be mistaken, but I believe the object of tolls (aside from
> > realizing monopoly rents) is the recovery of the road or bridge
> > building expenses. Operating costs could (and should) also be
> > included.
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> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:28:12 -0800Actually, that's every twenty minutes during the off-hours. During peak
> From: Richard Risemberg <rickrise@...>
> Subject: HSR
> Was recently on the bullet trains in Japan. 2000-passenger loads
> leaving every twenty minutes from downtowns everywhere, the station a
> short subway or taxi ride from anywhere in any town (think twenty
> minutes max), three levels of service (pay a little more for fewer
> stops). And they turn a profit!
hours the trains run every *five minutes*--and that's just the bullet
On my trip three years ago, I was planning to take the train from Tokyo to
visit some friends in Kamakura (home of the emblematic Great Buddha), which
is perhaps 40 miles south. I phoned my friends to make arrangements and said
that I would have to find out when the trains left.
"Don't bother," my friend said. "The trains run every 12 minutes. Just give
us a half-hour window of when you plan to leave Tokyo Station, and we'll be
there to meet you."
On that same trip, I road a country train that literally served as a school
bus for junior and senior high school students who lived in villages that
were too small to support a secondary school.
Japan truly is transit heaven. On my last trip (spring 2002), I found a
whole new railroad line running into Tokyo Station that had not been there
before, and the subways are constantly under construction. They also have a
second Shinkansen bullet train between Tokyo and Osaka on the drawing board
(it would pass through different cities), because the existing one is
Despite their huge auto industry and some regrettable trends in the
direction of car-oriented development in suburban areas, Japanese will be as
ready as anyone in the world when the oil runs out.