RE: [carfree_cities] Oh, crap!
- The political party itself and it's miniscule numbers are not a threat. The
well-paid anti-transit zealots who are paid to traverse the country and
trash transit projects are because regardless of the utterly duplicitous
research that people like Randal O'Toole and Wendell Cox churn out, they are
considered transportation "experts" by many in America, and can and do
influendce policy. Visit http://www.americandreamcoalition.org/ for more
While this group is still a fringe bunch, (their yahoo group is often
discussing smart growth in terms of UN conspiracies and black helicopters)
their effectiveness at placing their message in major print and online media
outlets is nonetheless impressive.
From: Chris Loyd [mailto:tybalt@...]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [carfree_cities] Oh, crap!
> Uh-oh, it looks like somebody drank the Libertarian Kool-Aid. Thatto
> said, HOV lanes are in most of the U.S., mostly useless. Let them
> convert them
> regular lanes and watch how little things improve. Of course, theHow can a political party that had a 0.37% election share for the 2000
> real solution to the fiscal crisis would be to convert those lanes to
> HOT (High Occupancy Toll), which at least would pull in revenue.
presidential race be seen as such a threat? The Greens are 10 times more
numerous/powerful than the Libertarians are. Also, how are freeways in
anyway supported by the Libertarian philosophy? They were built under the
guise of National Defense (huh?), violated property rights up the wazoo, and
was a massive subsidy for the auto industry. Most aren't privatized in any
way, shape or form, and most toll roads are about as competitive as the
Municipal Power & Gas Utility. Finally, what would you think if the entire
transportation system's government funding suddenly stopped, for all roads,
buses, trains, planes, etc? No subsidies for any transit, no matter how
effecient or desirable (and the taxes reduced accordingly, of course, but
more likely the savings would go to War, er, Defense Department).
> The Texas Transportation Institute's recent report puts publicLotsa stuff, the first analysis of traffic signals on entrance ramps that I
> transportation ivestment benefits way ahead of those in HOV lanes.
> Check out mobility.tamu.edu for more.
have seen. Those are usually as good as people are willing to actually obey
the red light.
> "The next piece of the solution (to the state's "transportationtransit
> crisis") is to redistribute transportation revenues away from costly
> programs to pay for more freeway lanes in the most congested areas . .We
> must convert the High Occupancy Vehicle Lanes (HOV) to free flowIs the California government trying to make life miserable for Californians,
> lanes, so that all the taxpayers who paid for those lanes and are now
> sitting in traffic jams can use them."
or do they want to find a way to keep people from moving there and driving
up land values?
Just how many HOV lanes are there on a given freeway in California?? Opening
up the HOV lanes in Houston would gain a whole lane for only one direction
of traffic, not counting the diamond lanes. The diamond lanes are
frequently used as passing lanes anyway.
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> HOV lanes are in most of the U.S., mostly useless.=v= Things will improve in the short run, though perhaps by
> Let them convert them to regular lanes and watch how
> little things improve.
shifting a bottleneck to somewhere else, and the Arnolds of
the world will talk about widening things at that location.
=v= But how is this policy even possible? Every Californian
HOV lane I know of was part of a clean air requirement, in
which widening a freeway could only be permitted if it was
"mitigated" by making it an HOV lane. I suspect this plan
has something to do with the Bush Administration's zealous
nonenforcement of environmental laws.