RE: [carfree_cities] Re-worked automobile city
- Louis-Luc wrote:
>85 cents CDN today (10-cent rise overnight in Montreal). I felt good,Today gas was around $0.85 L, how long will it be like this I don't know.
>because it must get higher and higher to get people to abandon cars.
>I tell people who complain it's too high that we're still far below some
>> We just need to keep spreading the word.It should be known that the name of the first electric streetcar(1892) in
>Certainly. Maybe every country on Earth has probably heard of the death
>of Maurice "Rocket" Richard this weekend. Someone locally suggested
>to rename Sainte-Catherine street (where the Montreal Forum is) to
>Maurice Richard street. I suggested here we should name the first line
>of our future trams "La ligne Maurice Richard" while eliminating gas
>cars, to set the streetlife at a comparable level as the good'old
>days of the Forum when Maurice Richard was playing his hockey career
>It lets me think of good old hockey days where teams were playing for
>fun, not for money...
Montreal was named the "Rocket"(before trams were pulled by horses) and in
Toronto there's a transit users group called the "Rocket Riders".
It's too bad Mr.Richard passed away.
>Last week I met a real estate agent to visit a property. I arrived firstThanks for sharing that story with us. Dawson
>and sat on the balcony. The agent arrived after by car, and she asked me
>where was my car. I stood still looking at her
>like if I'm a boss and she's an employee (I use a posture from my boss :-),
>and, I said: "Well, I'm proud I have none, I don't need a such crutch to
>move." After I left her, I started to walk at high speed, to make her think
>her cardio performances may be least because she uses a car.
>Just a little anecdote.
> -----Original Message-----And after the ceremony is over, Canadiens get in uniform and roller skates
> From: Doug Salzmann [mailto:doug@...]
> Sent: 31 mai, 2000 23:13
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: [carfree_cities] Re-worked automobile city
> Louis-Luc wrote:
> > Certainly. Maybe every country on Earth has probably heard
> of the death
> > of Maurice "Rocket" Richard this weekend. Someone locally suggested
> > to rename Sainte-Catherine street (where the Montreal Forum is) to
> > Maurice Richard street. I suggested here we should name the
> first line
> > of our future trams "La ligne Maurice Richard" while eliminating gas
> > cars
> Perhaps, for the inaugural ceremony, we can have a Canadien,
> in skates and
> uniform, step off La ligne Maurice Richard tram and break a
> stick over a car
> named "Hal Laycoe."
to play the revenge game in Ste-Catherine street. Pedestrians and cyclists
are asked to retire from the last dangerous scene while players shoot stones
on autos in the net. After the game is over, we clear the street and we tell
every pedestrian and cyclist they may now use this street at their
convenience forever in memory for the "Rocket" who was a really
- Doug said:
>In view of the magnitude of an entire New City project, it seems likelyThat's certainly how I see it.
>that the first real world applications will be for carfree districts
>adjacent to existing city cores, linked via existing trams, metro, whatever.
>Blighted areas and abandoned industrial zones are plentiful (happily, often
>on waterfronts), and we're talking about the ultimate turnaround for
The Toronto site is fabulous. I'll have to post a sketch of it
when I get back to Amsterdam. It's a roughly diamond-shaped area
about 4 km east-west and 2 km north-south (measured, that is, from
the extremities). It's right on the waterfront (it's mostly old
wharf areas and so forth), with direct water access. It abuts downtown
Toronto, and the connection by tram is easy to do. There is the
one minor problem of a major elevated freeway that runs along the north
edge of the area. There's already some talk of tearing at least
part of it down, and I suppose we could live with it if need be.
Otherwise a perfect site.
>Given such a (relatively) modest goal, the initial project(s) might not beHey, if the gas prices continue to skyrocket, we'll have
>so very far in the future. It is already possible, even here in the Wild
>West, to find developers familiar and comfortable with various flavors of
>New Urbanism, Transit Oriented Development, Pedestrian Pockets, etc.
>Carfree districts won't be an impossible imaginative stretch for a few of
>them. As for the bankers, regulators and all the zillions of others we'll
>need to bring on board, well, challenges are character building.
an easy sell. People will be screaming, "what do we do, what do we do??"
The answer is obvious.
>And, of course, we will sound saner with each new record for oil and gasMore on this point soon--we've got work to do.
>We just need to keep spreading the word.
J.H. Crawford _Carfree Cities_
> J.H. Crawford wrote:Yes, without making a big fuss -- "look, car free!" -- car free
> > I proposed on TV in Toronto last week that they take an area
> > right next to downtown ... and designate it as a carfree area...
> > We need demo projects ASAP.
districts can be designated, alternate transportation systems worked
into place and suddenly it will not be an off the wall idea. It will be
shown, several times, in different urban environments to work. It may
be helpful to be able to work out the bugs without a spotlight on the