RE: Trains, Buses and Automobiles (was "Paradigm Shift in Houston:)
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Richard Risemberg <rickrise@e...>
> mtneuman@j... wrote:energy,
> > Then Houston's train's in essence runs on fossil fuel derived
> > which add's more greenhouse gases (GHGs) to the atmosphere.the
> Yes, but trains use 1/4th the energy that trucks (or buses) carrying
> equivalent load would use. And they use much much less land--with aentrances).
> subway train using almost no land at all (except for station
> This leaves room for denser development. Fewer and narrower roads =In the absence of significant economic incentives to do otherwise, people
> things closer together = less driving/more transit, walking, biking.
in this country will continue to use their automobiles. You can bet on
it. After all, in America, the car is king. How many TV commercials do
you see for subway trains vs. automobiles?
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> In the absence of significant economic incentives to do otherwise, peopleWhat I see and feel is America is "Auto-Destructing"
> in this country will continue to use their automobiles. You can bet on
> it. After all, in America, the car is king. How many TV commercials do
> you see for subway trains vs. automobiles?
If nothing is done, the society is to be destroyed by
its automobiles sooner or later. I'm just awaiting the
day where oil become rare and suburbs will die unless
some rail transit will offer a link to town or at least
some place where you can find services/goods.
Houses more than 10-minutes away (by foot, confirming
implicit mode of transit) from everywhere and big-box stores in a
sea of cars will eventually become phantom places
unless something is done NOW.
Car culture is to pay for its nuisance sooner or later.
Thinking about the stubbornness of some car dependant
gov't, society, or individuals, I'm thinking it might
be faster to let them burn oil as fast as they can, so
we'll reach the end of the nightmare (for us carfree
people) sooner, and by our non-dependancy on cars we
should survive much better into the next generation, if not live and enjoy
life better, when oil is over and
human-scaled development is forced back in as it should have always
I don't know about future, so that's a guess for me,
but each time I see one of those TV ads throwing speeding beasts on my
screen, I think it can't be that
way for very long now.
- Excellent comments by Louis-Luc, but there is plenty of evidence on
the global warming problem now to show that waiting for the day we
burn up all the oil will doom us to ever increasingly hot and humid
temperatures, (as existed on the planet during the time the
permafrost region was formed). It could very well get much hotter
than that if we continue our present fossil fuel burning dependent
lifestyles in the U.S. and other developed and developing countries
of the world. Our planet could ultimately turn into a wasteland, with
no water and no plant and animal life possible, as scientists say
happened on Venus years ago, when Venus' atmosphere experienced a
runaway greenhouse effect, and its oceans of water simmered away.
No, this is not scare mongering, as many of the global warming
skeptics would argue passionate environmentalists like to do. The
potential for this scenario playing itself out on Venus's twin
planet, Earth, is very real.
This is not to say temperatures on Earth will reach levels near 900
degrees Fareighnheit as presently exist on Venus, the hottest planet
in the solar system. Earth's temperature presently averages about 50
degrees F. All it would take would be a doubling of so of that to
wipe out all life on the planet.
Scientific modeling of what our future climate will be like BY the
turn of the century if we continue to operate under the current
administration's "business as usual" approach to addressing
(ignoring) the issue of climate change is that summertime
temperature's in Wisconsin could be close to 20 degrees F. in summer,
with higher humidity levels as well. Such increases in temperature
levels in the already hot summer months will be dead for human and
other forms of animal and plant life, and will destroy much
infrastructure in cities and rural areas as well. Such is the legacy
we are going to be leaving to the children of today --many of whom
will still be alive by the turn of the century -- and of tomorrow, if
we continue to do business as usual, without taking appropriate major
and significant actions now to reduce fossil fuel burning.
The time to begin cutting back on oil burning in cars and other
motorized vehicles is now. There are basically only two ways of
doing that, both of which should be done now: (1) greatly improve
energy efficiency in motorized vehicles; (2) greatly reduce our use
of motorized vehicles, preferably to emergency uses only, if possible.
Here's a way that might be achieved:
Someone once said there is "no free lunch" when it comes to using and
polluting the environment. The time to conserve and preserve the
environment, by greatly reducing fossil fuel burning in vehicles,
homes and recreational use is now, before the pathetic condition of
being "too late" arrives.
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
--- In email@example.com, "Louis-Luc" <exqmtl@a...>
> What I see and feel is America is "Auto-Destructing"and enjoy
> If nothing is done, the society is to be destroyed by
> its automobiles sooner or later. I'm just awaiting the
> day where oil become rare and suburbs will die unless
> some rail transit will offer a link to town or at least
> some place where you can find services/goods.
> Houses more than 10-minutes away (by foot, confirming
> implicit mode of transit) from everywhere and big-box stores in a
> sea of cars will eventually become phantom places
> unless something is done NOW.
> Car culture is to pay for its nuisance sooner or later.
> Thinking about the stubbornness of some car dependant
> gov't, society, or individuals, I'm thinking it might
> be faster to let them burn oil as fast as they can, so
> we'll reach the end of the nightmare (for us carfree
> people) sooner, and by our non-dependancy on cars we
> should survive much better into the next generation, if not live
> life better, when oil is over andmy
> human-scaled development is forced back in as it should have always
> I don't know about future, so that's a guess for me,
> but each time I see one of those TV ads throwing speeding beasts on
> screen, I think it can't be that
> way for very long now.
- Inadvertently, the post I made this morning under the "Trains, Planes
and Automobiles" subject line had a word missing in one of the
sentences. The following was the sentence:
> ... summertime temperature's in Wisconsin could be close to 20degrees F. in summer, with higher humidity levels as well....
I meant to say summertime temperatures in Wisconsin by the end of the
century are expected to be 20 degrees F. "hotter" than Wisconsin's
present summertime temperatures (if current rate of greenhouse gas
emissions continue). The source of this projected increase is from a
study published by the Union of Concerned Scientists this past April,
which was authored by a number of prominent global warming scientists
from various universities around the Midwest. The study can be read
and downloaded from the following web site:
For your information, temperatures already reach into the 90s and
occasionally above 100 degrees F in Wisconsin during the spring and
summer. An increase in summertime temperatures by 20 degrees F as
projected above will greatly add to mortality rates from heat waves
The heat wave-caused mortality will be especially high in Wisconsin
and other cities, as the so-called "heat-island effect" -- largely
created by a city having a substantial portions of its area paved
over with heat-absorbing cement concrete and black asphalt (primarily
for automobile use of highways, streets, parking lots and driveways) -
- typically causes summertime temperature levels in cities to be
F degrees F warmer than temperatures in the non-paved areas
Of also increased concern is that not only do the elevated
temperature levels in these cities contribute to potentially
dangerous heat related public health impacts in these areas
(especially for those having no home air conditioning, and for those
who have to be outside for long period of time during the day), but
also these areas typically have higher ground level ozone levels due
to all the automobile driving in the area, which is a factor that can
lead to increased rates of hospitalization and mortality in the
population of asthmatic children and adults having a prior history of
Finally, humidity levels, as measured by dew point temperatures, have
been increasing in essentially all regions of the country over the
past several years. Refer to Table 4 of the article posted below on
the Climate Archive Yahoo group: