Re: carfree us...babysteps
- --- In carfree_cities@y..., "Patrick McDonough" <patrick1@e...> wrote:
> I've been following the "let's start a carfree city" discussionthis week,
> mostly watching. At least in the US, and likely elsewhere, this isgoing to
> be very hard to do in a developed country with a highly specializedeconomy.
> FOr what it's worth, I think your best bet is to think about
> prototype living environment- anybody remember the Biosphere out inAZ?
>area that is
> There's got to be a big U.S. city somewhere with an old gridded
> completely run down. If you could somehow get 16 city blocks in a4 x 4
> square, you could then seal the full area to car traffic, and beginserious
> redevloping housing, local merchants, etc. All of this would need
> subsidy and probably a 20-year commitment by pioneering residents.It also
> needs to be served by high-quality transit service so thatresidents can go
> out into the larger area for jobs, and others can commute in towork. Maybe
> if you can get Bill Gates to buy out someplace...or even, if aplace is very
> run down and has few residents, take it by eminent domain as longas any
> displaced residents are given affordable housing within thedevelopment?
> I've lived and worked in the ultimate carfree city (Venice) and
> that a carfree place needs to have strong ties to the regional andglobal
> economy to be sustainable. That's why I think you will need to gofor a
> district in an existing city with good transit.building
> Patrick McDonough
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob Hines [mailto:robhines@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:41 PM
> > To: carfree_cities@y...
> > Subject: [carfree_cities] carfree us
> > I've spoken to David Ceaser of the group in the States, trying to
> > establish a car free city, he seemed receptive to the idea of
> > or converting an exiisting district in Canada. Perhaps joiningthere
> > database would be the best thing to do. However, I don't thinkthat a
> > car free city in the US is a livable option for myself, and I'mhttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > guessing it's not for most other Canadians?
> > Rob Hines
> > 104-165 Lowther Ave
> > Toronto ON M5R 1E5
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> >baby steps. It would be progress enough for a lot of families worked
their way down to one car per family. The immediate to obstacles to
this are the placement, size, and numbers of schools, retail, and
city government buildings.
- I have really been enjoying entertaining the possibilities of
something actually coming from this thread of thought. I must admit
though, it sems as though the ideas have stopped and the proces has
died. Am I imagining this?
We've got some wonderful resources available to us here, and some
incredibly bright minds. Yes, it's going to take us a long time to
see something concrete come about (babysteps) but I think it is still
a worthwhile endeavor.
Let's not see another good idea just fade into the sunset. If
progressive thinkers with nothing to lose but everything to gain can't
make this happen, who can?
- --- In carfree_cities@y..., "Chris Holt" <cholt2@c...> wrote:
> Let's not see another good idea just fade into the sunset. If
> progressive thinkers with nothing to lose but everything to gain
> make this happen, who can?Ok, I'll bite. ;-)
As in most issues this highly charged the first thing to consider is
the economic ramifications. If an area of an already-existing city is
walled off from auto traffic the business owners in that area will
need to be able to continue to exist.
How big would this area be? I think to begin any form of
constructive discussion we should build a model.
Can anyone think of a city we could use for this thought
experiment? This would be a good place for us to start.
>Let's not see another good idea just fade into the sunset. If...Anyone (individual or group) who can locate and gain control over a
>progressive thinkers with nothing to lose but everything to gain can't
>make this happen, who can?
suitable site, and get construction financing (a developer with a strong
track record of successful multifamily housing and urban mixed-use
projects, who can persuade a bank, or a cadre of aggressive, yet patient,
venture capitalists, has would be helpful here).
...Anyone who has an uncle, cousin, brother-in-law, or close friend who
fits the above description.
...Anyone who can get some face-time with a progressive billionaire. A
small project might be within the means of an eager multimillionaire.
On a much smaller scale, an overview of how a group of like-minded
individuals or families can start a project on their own (locate a site,
get financing, etc.) can be found in:
The Cohousing Handbook: Building a Place for Community
by Chris Hanson.
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- Tom Gilmore of Los Angeles is a developer who might be amenable to
building a carfree district. He has recently revived a semi-abandoned
warehouse and SRO hotel neighborhood in downtown LA. Real estate here,
though, ain't cheap.
T. J. Binkley wrote:
> ...Anyone (individual or group) who can locate and gain control over a--
> suitable site, and get construction financing (a developer with a strong
> track record of successful multifamily housing and urban mixed-use
> projects, who can persuade a bank, or a cadre of aggressive, yet patient,
> venture capitalists, has would be helpful here).
> ...Anyone who has an uncle, cousin, brother-in-law, or close friend who
> fits the above description.
> ...Anyone who can get some face-time with a progressive billionaire. A
> small project might be within the means of an eager multimillionaire.
> On a much smaller scale, an overview of how a group of like-minded
> individuals or families can start a project on their own (locate a site,
> get financing, etc.) can be found in:
"Hope cannot be said to exist, nor can it be said not to exist. It is
just like the roads across the earth. For actually there were no roads
to begin with, but when many people pass one way a road is made."