Re: Driving only when you WANT to
- --- In carfree_cities@y..., "agnostic_demiurge" <andy_christ@y...>
> Forgetting everything else for a moment...how much more pleasantwould
> driving be if people only drove when they WANT to, or when they haveday?
> to move heavy objects? Instead of being obligated to do so every
>You've raised a worthwhile point. It needs to encompass things like
> Why, it might be ENJOYABLE. It might even be as fun as it looks in
> the commercials!
shopping only when you want to, visiting only when you want to,
running errands only when you want to etc. The convenience and
modern paradigms of automobile utility have allowed us to not put
much planning into how we shop and generally go about things. Many
of my friends now have cellular phones. Now they put much less
forethought learning directions to drive places.
- --- In carfree_cities@y..., "Louis-Luc" <exqmtl@a...> wrote:
> > Why, it might be ENJOYABLE. It might even be as fun as it looksin
> > the commercials!else
> I think driving is stressful, because you have to look for everyone
> using the road around the car.and train
> It's more risky than taking a train, plane or boat. I know plane
> crashes quickly draw the attention of news writers, but imagine howheavy
> would the paper be if they also relate all accidents related to thecar.
> I think there is also a guilt factor, regarding the pollution you
> and the space you take up when you move around with a car. Justthink about
> doing the same journey in some other efficient way.The news media also don't make much of an issue of the massive amount
of people in this country who die of cardio-vascular disease, develop
type II diabetes, or asthma type problems as a result of smog. It
just isn't as glamorous. But it is related to the lifestyle we've,
using cars, made normal in America.
- --- coyote_clown <coyote_clown@...> wrote:
>In all but the most rural areas, the alternative
> You've raised a worthwhile point. It needs to
> encompass things like
> shopping only when you want to, visiting only when
> you want to,
> running errands only when you want to etc. The
> convenience and
> modern paradigms of automobile utility have allowed
> us to not put
> much planning into how we shop and generally go
> about things. Many
> of my friends now have cellular phones. Now they
> put much less
> forethought learning directions to drive places.
needn't be not going anywhere farther than a mile or
three without a lot of forethought.
Fuck, we're pissing into the wind. How many people
get beyond the benefits a car brings to the things it
costs them when they're thinking about it?
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- Something else we need to look at is that most Americans tend
to want to drive everywhere, no matter what the cost and
congestion. People are constantly demanding lower gas prices
and wider roads. In the suburban neighborhood my parents live
in, residents tried [unsuccessfully] to stop the city from putting in
a sidewalk on one side of the steet. Coincidentially, that
sidewalk is now useless, since it is a de facto parking lane and,
naturally, the police will not enforce such a thing.
If you proposed developing a carfree area or closing/cutting off
any streets, it would be very unpopular with most people who live
I favor the right of anyone to live how they want, as long as they
pay for it themself. I think that developers should be allowed to
build car-only suburban developments--and pay ALL costs of it.
Maybe that would fix Americans--when they finally have to bear
the cost of what they are doing.
Finally, we need some way to let Americans know [drill into their
think skulls] how much car use actually costs. A lot of us seem to
think that road money grows on trees...
> The news media also don't make much of an issue of the massive amountI'm proud to be not "normal", because that sense of "normal" is wrong, and
> of people in this country who die of cardio-vascular disease, develop
> type II diabetes, or asthma type problems as a result of smog. It
> just isn't as glamorous. But it is related to the lifestyle we've,
> using cars, made normal in America.
is corrupting the society. The problem is that it's difficult to find more
people sharing my opinion outside this e-group.
Now with cell phones, drivers become even too lazy to park the car and dare
walking to a public phone. So cardio-vascular diseases may be created by a
lack of exercise. Combine this with how well Americans eat, and you'll soon
see some Americans less tall than wide.
Imagine 2 centuries (or more) ago:
People had to walk 2 miles daily, at best on a sandroad, to pick up mail at
the post-office, also to drop by the general store, to visit a friend. They
had to cut, split and pile logs to stay warm in the winter, use snowshoes or
skis to move in the snow. Their work, whether on the farm, in the woods, or
maid in the house, involved much physical efforts. The average longevity was
shorter than today, because medical science was not as developed as today.
Imagine the medical science was as good as today, and the average longevity
would be at least as high as today.