RE: [carfree_cities] Segway / Ginger
- I agree with your point Ryan,
The video even states that the Segway is intended to replace/improve
walking. With a top speed of 12 mph, 15 mile battery and $5000 Canadian
price tag, I would see this as being difficult to apply to a carfree city
1. If the Segway were used to provide transportation to the folks on the
outskirts of the city districts, so that these districts could be bigger,
where would we park these thousands of Segway's at the metro station?
2. How would we ensure that these fairly expensive modes of transportation
would be secured. Dutch bicycles are not typically worth stealing, but
these Segway's might be.
Any thoughts welcome,
From: Lanyon, Ryan [mailto:ryan.lanyon@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [carfree_cities] Segway / Ginger
Personally, I was very disappointed with the release of the Segway. My
immediate reaction is not that it will replace car trips, but that it will
replace pedestrian trips (including postal carriers). In a society already
battling to increase participation in active transportation, this is not
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- Pierre said:
>I agree with your point Ryan,If they become popular, I expect the price to fall below US$1000.
>The video even states that the Segway is intended to replace/improve
>walking. With a top speed of 12 mph, 15 mile battery and $5000 Canadian
>price tag, I would see this as being difficult to apply to a carfree city
>1. If the Segway were used to provide transportation to the folks on theAs I noted in an earlier post, they're much easier to park than bikes,
>outskirts of the city districts, so that these districts could be bigger,
>where would we park these thousands of Segway's at the metro station?
which are parked in huge numbers at Dutch RR stations. Also, you CAN
take it with you, for use at the other end.
>2. How would we ensure that these fairly expensive modes of transportationThey're apparently password-protected or some such. And Dutch bikes
>would be secured. Dutch bicycles are not typically worth stealing, but
>these Segway's might be.
ARE stolen, in huge numbers.
I see serious problems here, but at the same time, I think I see
some opportunities. At least people on Segways are participating
in the street environment, and they're not sealed up in a cocoon.
True, you don't get the exercize you need, but in really hot climates,
most people will see this as a boon.
The big problem is whether or not they'll be allowed to terrorize
pedestrians on the sidewalks.
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J.H. Crawford Carfree Cities
- Hi All,
Some of these quotes are killers.
> The Segway offers no benefits to a motorist that are not provided by a car,Same as saying a $10 bill has no benefit over a $1,000 bill except economy.
> except for economy and emissions.
I dare say economy and environment are not exceptions that can be
discounted. No benefits except ... -- was that a joke?
> The Segway has no protection from theSo, you wanted a more expensive -- more luxuries -- alternative. Well then,
> elements, little capacity to bring goods, no 'luxuries' that have become so
> ingrained into car and convenience culture. These factors are significant
> barriers to first adopting use and then altering the built environment to
> suit it.
the economy is NOT a motivator for you then.
> With current conditions, those who drive in downtown areas do so becauseI think you are wrong. Many cars in downtown areas are from locals.
> they come from far away and 'need' their car to get there, so they continue
> through in their vehicles (public transit is the obvious 'alternative' to
> this). Those who live closer already walk or cycle or use public transit -
> should these trips be replaced by the Segway?
> The likelihood of drivers parking outside of downtown and Segwaying isVery good point.
> slightly better than parking and walking - but again, the pedestrian trip is
> replaced moreso than the auto trip.
However, a car-free downtown is a benefit.
> The fact that the manufacturer isCould we say a "lobby" effort has been made on the roll-out?
> lobbying to permit these on sidewalks is proof positive of the real intended
Intentions mean little in the real world however.