Re: [carfree_cities] Partial pedestrian
- continuing the exchange with Will Stewart and Tom:
>And as you mentioned the other day, an underground road can bring inNot every walkway necessarily needs to have this capacity. Some of
>supplies to the center of a district that is being added on to a
>typical population center. This concept is similar to the underground
>tunnel access to shopping malls for freight trucks, but could also be
>used for access to limited underground parking for the office and
>Walkways should be constructed to support the incidental fire truck or
>heavy equipment needed to renovate a 6 story building. The latter
>would be very infrequent, so the car-free concept would still hold.
the bridges crossing the below-grade road could be bike- and
>Pedicabs are doing brisk business in downtown New York right now, andAlways the question whether they should be slow, battery-powered
>are starting to grow in other US cities as well. The very elderly or
>those who are having trouble getting around could use these (i.e.,
>someone with a leg in a cast, etc).
(as in Zermatt) or bike. Either one works for me, although the
costs and trade-offs differ.
>Or bicycle use allowed along the larger "collector" walkways (8 mphsure
>max), while they are walked on the smaller "feeder" walkways. A
>design heuristic might allow for a set of marked-off bike lanes in the
>middle of the collector walkways.
> >>Another issue is getting garbage out. Once a week, a garbage truckSan Francisco has a fleet of amazingly quiet diesel garbage
> >>recycling truck drive down the alley behind my house. I
> >>would hate to see these services become significantly more
> >>expensive or less convenient.
>There are medium-sized electric refuse trucks available.
trucks. These were specially hushed when SF decided to collect
at night, when traffic wasn't an issue.
>If a transit stop is planned for a greenfield area in the suburbs,sure
>then I see a carfree district as very practical, as there are enormous
>numbers of metro stops available to the residents of the carfree
>district that are packed with offices, retail, etc.
>Any other sitesyes, should work ok
>not accessible to metro would be accessible to vehicles that are
>carshared (now available in Boston, Washington,
>Seattle, and other US cities).
>The carfree district becomes an urbanNah, we'd want to keep them out! ;-)
>oasis that frankly has little interaction with the rest of the
>suburban area, unless the suburbans want to stroll/bike over to work,
>shop, dine, etc.
Under these circumstances, I'd expect the suburban area to
urbanize eventually, at least that part that was within
easy walking distance.
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