RE: [carfree_cities] Miles to go before we're done ...
- Lanyon, Ryan wrote:
>> >The good news is there's moreI wouldn't be surprised if that happens to the Tories, let's hope it's the
>> >talk of tolling 400-series highways in Ontario.
>> That's a good idea (for those that don't know, any
>> #400-series highway in
>> Ontario is well simply put, a motorway), but do think the
>> Tories are really
>> going to do such a thing?
>> After all they're the ones who got rid of "photo radar".
>Strangely enough, I think they're going to pursue it, and then get booted
>out of office in the next election.
same fate for the Parti Quebecois in Quebec.
>The 'Common Sense Revolution' has devolved into a dogmatic agenda ofThat was never meant to be, besides common sense ain't that common.
>deregulation, even if it does not make sense.
>Our hydro rates are increasing by 12% in order to make it moreI'm surprised that they would want to do that, but what's left of
>attractive for private companies when power generation is deregulated.
Ontario-Hydro has had problems with management/power
production/distribution, you name it, in other words "Welcome to
In my province, Hydro-Quebec made over billion dollars last year and with
the energy crisis south of the boarder, that will mean more money flowing
back to Canada.
> It does not matter what services are provided to 'taxpayers' or howas
>economically/environmentally disadvatnaged it makes the Province, as long
>government isn't doing it. I suspect the same approach will be taken toour
>highways.Personally, I don't think private sector is necessarily much more efficient
or competent than the public sector. It's just better able to cover things
For instance, I'm a share holder of Canadian Pacific and I fear what is
happening to the company right now isn't for the best long term wise.
http://www.cp.ca (It's being broken up.)
Together the company is more self financing and can weather a business storm
much better. I think "brass" are off to make a quick buck, while the little
guys are going to be left in the dark.
>> I still think that it would have been far better just toYou're right, that would be much more effective, it would also be much more
>> implement tolling
>> on the 401 then building the 407, because it's made Toronto
>> into a "Orange
>> County of the North". http://www.407etr.com/intro/index.html
>Probably would have been much more effective to manage demand, but that's
>not the goal.
"cost" effective as well. Hey, look at what happened to Walkerton with their
drinking water and the lack of management by the province there.
Also when it comes to management or the lack there of, we don't have to look
much further than Ontario Northland. http://www.ontc.on.ca/
*More about this at the bottom.
> The goal is to reduce what government spends so that it canYeah, well for whom?
>cut income taxes, plain and simple.
> This government doesn't care how manyNow that's something that surprises me.
>cars drive on roads, as long as it doesn't pay for it!
> In Ottawa, we had aProvince
>controlled-access freeway downloaded to us during MegaWeek, and the
>is even talking about having the municipality pay for portions of newOh that sounds like a barrel full of monkeys.
>Not to mention that all funding for publicEven in Toronto, funding has pretty much well, dried up. The Tories have
>transit has been eradicated (unless you live in Toronto, of course).
downloaded such much to the point, that the city is near bankruptcy.
P.S. As I was saying earlier about Ontario Northland.
Transport 2000 Ontario, a volunteer group advocating environmentally,
socially and economically sustainable public transportation policies,
regards the potential abandonment of rail passenger service by the
Northlander between Cochrane and Toronto as shocking and unnecessary.
The service has been consistently demarketed by its operator, the
Ontario Northland Tranportation Commission, an agency of the Ontario
government. Abandonment would be the final chapter in a long series
of cutbacks and train cancellations. "No real attempt has been made
to make rail passenger services viable on the Ontario Northland," said
Mr. Dale Wilson, past president of Transport 2000 Ontario and official
spokesperson for the organization. Mr. Wilson provided several examples
of the Commission's demarketing, undermining or failure to market the
* Passenger train schedules were changed so as to make travelling
almost impossible for most people.
* No effort was made by ON to co-ordinate with VIA and Amtrak to offer
services in a wider market.
* For some time, ticket sales in Toronto Union Station have been
carefully hidden in a kiosk selling electronic gadgets. [I can confirm
this; said kiosk is itself not hidden--it's in the middle of the
concourse--but it is not especially obvious that it sells ONR tickets.]
* The ON is competing with itself; its bus services run parallel to the
train and don't function as feeders to augment rail passenger loadings.
* Baggage and parcel services, offered on the Commision's buses, were
dropped from the passenger trains a few years ago. The absence of
these services make rail losses larger than they need to be.
* The carriage of bulk and first class mail by passenger trains, as is
done in the United States, was never sought; this would have added
significantly to passenger train revenues while removing trucks from
the Highway 11/400 corridor.
Speaking from his home in Sudbury, Mr. Wilson went on: "In spite of
the clear legislative mandate of the Commission to promote the northern
economy, the tourist development potential of the train service has
been ignored by ON management. No private sector partners were sought
to develop traffic, operate local stations, etc. Northern ecotourism
has never been considered as a means of attracting riders to the train.
The loadings on the Northlander have not yet been explored. And now
they want to cut it.
Transport 2000 Ontario believes there should be a proper all-weather
alternative to driving along the Cochrane-Toronto route. "As we know
from last year's experience [Ontario had much more snow than usual last
year], snow removal has been spotty on northern highways and safety is
in question. Seriously ill northerners requiring medical care in the
south do not find it convenient (and sometimes it is impossible) to
travel by bus, while air travel is prohibitively expensive," Mr. Wilson
added. Discontinuing a passenger train does not mean riders move to
bus services in the same corridor, as has been proven with VIA's
abandonment of some services, and on the occasion of the ONTC dropping
the overnight train between Cochrane and Toronto. [The latter was one
of the January 1990 cuts to VIA service; the former is probably a
reference to the January 1990 VIA cuts in Nova Scotia, after which
ridership on competing bus lines dropped rather than rising.]
No study has been made of the environmental impact of continuing
highway construction compared to retention and improvement of rail
passenger services. No comparative cost study between continuing
highway construction and funding rail passenger services in the
Cochrane-Toronto corridor has been released. Transport 2000 Ontario
believes that such a study would indicate a huge wastage of public
money for highway construction in the past half century and more.
"Transport 2000 Ontario is calling for an immediate and wide-ranging
inquiry on northern passenger transportation to examine the effects
of current policy (highway spending as well as the demise of Norontair
and now the threat against ONR passenger services)," said Dale Wilson.
Transport 2000 Ontario is seeking a meeting on this issue with
Minister [of Northern Development and Mining, Jim] Hudak and the
transportation critics of the Liberal and New Democratic Parties.