- This group is not now moderated--any member may post.
As long as this continues to work, it'll stay this way.
Please be nice, keep it short, don't quote miles of
irrelevant parts of the previous posting.
If you don't like the way it's going, please let me know.
The ads will go away as soon as eGroups gets my check.
You may want to read eGroups Terms & Conditions for stuff
you don't like.
- Hi All,
Some housekeeping points, if I may:
The tone and content of the discussion have been good, and I have
not had to intervene in any list problems so far.
However, traffic on the list has risen to the point where I'm having
trouble coping with it myself. So:
Please limit your posts to one a day (two in a pinch!).
Please try to hack out as much deadwood in the post to which you are
replying as possible--leave only the parts relevant to your response.
Please, no "right on, brother/sister!" messages. If necessary, please make
these responses off-list (i.e., directly to the person involved).
TJ Binkley and Doug Salzmann have agreed to become moderators of the group,
to help with the smooth flow of things. Welcome and thanks!
We'll be moving on to concrete action we can take to bring
carfree streets to a city near you as quickly as possible.
The actions now under consideration are:
Carfree Cities conference (hopefully aboard a train in Europe)
Promotional slide show
3-D Internet walk-throughs
Better simulation and modelling
Construction of a larger maquette
Correspondents for Carfree Times
Building and maintaining the best carfree link site on the internet
Please consider which areas might interest you for direct
involvement and action (that means actual work!).
Finally, there are serious distribution problems with the book.
I'm working to correct this as quickly as possible. In particular,
I'm trying to coordinate with a great independent bookstore in
Berkeley to do rapid fulfillment of Internet orders. More on these
items soon. Meanwhile, please report to me at postmaster@...
any problems you have trying to obtain the book.
Thanks & regards,
J.H. Crawford _Carfree Cities_
- Hi All,
Time again for some housekeeping notes.
Quite a number of competent, well-informed, and well-connected citizens,
designers, writers, activists, developers, planners, and financers, who
have the specialized knowledge, expertise, political connections, and
access to capital that we need to get carfree cities built are more
likely to listen to and join in on our discussion if we keep our comments
as concise, on-topic, and specific as possible.
The partiticipation of these sort of like-minded individuals will benefit
us all, and could dramatically accelerate the development of carfree
Everyone enjoys receiving a word of thanks or praise. Thanking an
individual subscriber for responding to a query; or expressing a simple
compliment or note of gratitude for a particularly useful, compelling, or
inspiring message, will always be appreciated by that subscriber, and
should be encouraged. Since such messages only concern one person,
however, they should be sent directly to that person, not to the entire
list. Similarly, messages likely to be of interest only to two or three
subscribers should be sent directly to those individuals. Please
consider whether your posting is likely to be of interest to most list
subscribers. When in doubt, send it off-list.
We have recieved complaints about the frequency, vagueness, and
off-topic nature of the messages posted by a few members of this
list. For the professionals on this list, opening, skimming, and deleting
these messages is a sufficient burden that some have cancelled their
membership in the group.
Some members also remain concerned about the total number of postings on
certain days. In addition to keeping our messages more directly focused
on the topic of carfree cities, please combine the two or three or four
messages to which you'd like to respond into a single message (with two
or three or four different key words in the subject line if appropriate).
As a reminder, please precede all links with a brief summary of the
contents. It takes time to check a link to determine whether or not it's
of interest. Remember that 80 people will see your posting--please be
considerate of their time.
In order to help save the time of list subscribers, please be sure
to snip out redundant parts of the message to which you are reply.
We don't want to have to put any members of this list on "moderated"
status, but we will resort to this rather draconian measure if
gentle persuasion doesn't do the trick. We'd really appreciate
your cooperation in making this an effective list.
We encourage everyone on the list who has comments, questions, or
concerns about this to send them (off-list) to one or all of the
TJ Binkley: <tjbink@...>
Doug Salzmann: <doug@...>
J.H. Crawford: <postmaster@...>
We'll be happy to consider your concerns and interests.
On sabbatical until September. Please expect slow responses to e-mail.
J.H. Crawford _Carfree Cities_ ISBN 9057270374
Here in Montréal on the local newsgroup a montrealer asked us if he can more
easily live carfree in Portland than he does in Montréal. He wants to
determine if he should move to Portland or stay here.
He asked about public transportation and walking in particular.
Unfortunately nobody here seems to have lived in both places for a
significant amount of time.
Amoung the ridiculeness and unreality of car ads, here's one that probably
beats the record.
You first see a woman standing next to her bike, another person on foot,
somewhere on a land with some nature. Suddenly the VW passes really close
to them and the 2 people start to run after it. The 2 heros are also chased
by several "ennemy" horseback riders. Suddenly the car brakes and puts
itself in the way of horses and *miraculously* the vehicle doesn't get run
onto by the horses (the images before let us think the collision can't be
avoided). One of the heros gets on the passenger seat, and the car goes
away, apparently with no more ennemy chasing it.
This is serious, because the car showed potential danger to people outside
of it (the 2 heroes), and then the driver has been in danger while stopping
in the way of running horses.
So if we assume the best for the company: the person watching the ad wants
to buy a new car, I sincerely believe he won't be tempted to buy this car
after this ad because the danger it showed. Furthermore it didn't give
technical details or price.
- Hi All,
It seemed like a good time for a little housekeeping.
I've been very pleased with the way the group has developed during
the past two years.
The following guidelines will improve the usefulness of the list for
Be nice! This has always been a friendly, temperate group.
Avoid posting more than once a day, twice in case of emergency.
When responding, trim off irrelevant parts of the prior post.
When responding, please begin, "John Doe said:".
Keep messages reasonably short.
Please spell check if your spelling is weak.
Attachments cannot be sent.
In the case of short articles, simply paste in the entire article.
Please include sources and a full URLs where available.
Spammers will be dealt with severely.
- Hi All,
It's been a while since I mentioned some items of list etiquette.
Please remember to:
Trim junk from earlier posts when replying
Be as brief as possible
Don't try to be cute or clever--people don't have time for this
and those whose native language is not English have trouble
New members are moderated. If I don't like a member's first
proposed posting, I don't approve it and it won't appear.
Let's try again to be a little less eager to take up issues
that are mainly of local interest.
In general, I'm pleased with the group and the usual tone of
Thanks & regards,
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- Hi All,
It's time to review the list guidelines once more:
* Be nice! This has always been a friendly, temperate group.
* Avoid posting more than once a day, twice in case of emergency.
* Be considerate of people's time - 600 people will be reading your post.
* When responding to a posting, trim off irrelevant parts of the prior post.
* When responding, please begin, "John Doe said:" to identify the source.
* Keep messages reasonably short.
* Please spell check if your spelling is weak.
* Attachments cannot be sent.
* In the case of interesting short articles, simply paste in the entire article.
* Please include sources and full URLs where available.
* Spammers will be dealt with severely.
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