8440Re: [carfree_cities] Re: 20mph/30kph minimum (was: free? parking)
- May 4, 2005In a follow-up to my earlier message, my wife (the
driver in the
house) informed me that 20mph is about the slowest she
can drive for
extended periods. Does anyone else have anecdotal
evidence to support
that? I know it's the wrong list to ask, but perhaps
there are a few
recovered drivers out there. ;)
Todd: 20mph or 30kph (30km) is the standard MAX.
operating speed for a growing number of built up areas
in European towns.
Here is some info if you are new to this:
"Tempo 30" campaign from VCD in Germany (in German,
use Babelfish or other translator):
click on "kampagnen" at top,
click on "Mehr Tempo 30" down the page...
VCD is the alternative mobility assoc. in Germany to
ADAC and includes trains, bikes, even walking as part
of full hearty German offering of mobility.
"Cycling: The way ahead" at
see pages 35 to 36 starting with "Combining safety
measures" and including very excellent graphs which
you should convert into mph as necessary for your own
purposes! No permission necessary, just polite mention
I once did a 30kph test with a friend in Prague in my
neighborhood. On level streets where speed limit is
normally 50kph 30 seemed slow (darn!) but problem was
going up a long hill, where car "didnt like" going
30kph due to transmission ratios - it was revving too
high for 2nd gear... but 3rd would be a problem too.
This is for a manual transmission of course, which
almost all European cars have as standard.
I dont understand the problem with anything under
20/30 being a problem on level surfaces and automatic
transmissions. Probably American or all automobile
engineers dont really think anyone wants to go that
slow except in the parking lot, drive thru, or
automatic car wash, so they optimise throttle for
I just thought of a idea related to this, but to find
out more you are gonna have to contact me OFF-LIST.
Hint: Cruise control.
Todd, World Recovered Drivers Net(foot)work
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