7446Re: [carfree_cities] Is the oil dependence problem on the radar?
- Jun 19 5:06 PMOn Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Simon Baddeley wrote:
> But excuse me - what's this idea that you can somehow survive separately.I would say, rather, a hope that some of civilization can survive
(especially the arts and music that, in my view, distinguish us from
other species, like squirrels, that are otherwise more attractive)
-- a longshot, to be sure.
> The character of the catastrophe we are discussing allows noThat may be true. It depends, mostly, on the specific forces
> refuges of this kind. It's more like The Flood, only without the Ark. This
> isn't about removing yourself from the mainstream of a society you don't
> like. There will be no place to go.
unleashed during the death throes of the mainstream culture. If it
goes out with a whimper, collapsing and crumbling rather than
exploding, there may remain pockets of survival and cultural
If, instead, global industrial capitalism exits with a bang, humans
may be reduced to a Mad Max caricature of our former "glory" -- at
Either way, it appears overwhelmingly probable that the dominant
culture *will* fail catastrophically, most likely sooner rather than
later. Having observed the trends, signs and portents with some care
and attention for nearly four decades, I very much doubt that such
failure can now be avoided.
> I thought everyone know this the moment that first photo of earth from spaceYes, I think we have all felt that way from that time, Simon. For me,
> - from the Mercury satellite in the late 1960s - entered general
the changed analysis arises from the growing realization that we have
*already* failed in our efforts to save the whole, that the best we
can now, perhaps, achieve is the preservation of parts, pieces and
fragments -- along with, one hopes, a thimble of wisdom -- much as
happened during the Dark Ages in Europe.
I really don't believe we can do more at this late date, which is why
the subject header, "Illichville or Else," seemed appropriate to a
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."
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