7235Re: [carfree_cities] ANSE Island
- May 10, 2004Hello Steve:
Steve Geller wrote:
> The human territorial instinct has ensured that every island on the planetI agree with you. That is why we have chosen to build an island rather than
> is claimed by some nation. Trying to take over one of them
> can be dangerous to a group's health. China makes threatening
> noises about Taiwan. Indonesia fought over West Irian.
> Argentina and Britain went to war over the Falklands.
> The American Indian Movement held Alcatraz for a while.
> Look at what happened to the urban "islands" held by
> the Branch Davidians and MOVE.
attempt to claim sovereignty over an already existing island, or to attempt
to take land by force. Our numbers are just too small for conflict at the
moment. We would prefere peace, of course, but we expect that we will have
to defend our island at some point.
> I don't think any island nations have found it comfortableI suppost that has a lot to do with how their cities are built. I think the
> to be car-free. Singapore hasn't. Iceland hasn't.
> Taiwan sure hasn't, even though they use a lot of scooters.
> Britain and Ireland haven't.
author might agree.
> Even isolated island communities still keep cars.http://www.nationaltrust.org/dozen_distinctive_destinations/2003/mackinac.html
> The only exception I could think of immediately
> was the island of Mackinac, off Michigan.
> Being car-free is a selling point for its tourist economy.We have a member who lives on Mackinac Island although I didn't know much
about it to ask him anything about it until now.
> Sounds difficult and expensive. The island economy would have to haveThat would be nice, but not likely at the site we have chosen. We expect
> some strong export component, like Singapore's shipping or Qatar's oil.
> What would be really great would be to find s shoal attached to
> a diamond pipe.
that agricultural will be the largest export. We are looking into the
possibility of setting up a smaller satalite island for a casino.
> The image I get is something like French Frigate Shoals, Hawaii,I will have to look into this site.
> which was built up to be habitable by the USN/USCG.
> I suppose a group like ANSE could get first rights on a new island,Perhaps, but I am not sure that it would be practicle to try to establish
> as it rose from an undersea volcano.
any city on it, unless you like putting out your city every so often.
> Even for a shoal, there's the concept of exclusive national economiczones.
> The US and Canada, normally happy neighbors, have squabbled over fishingYes, territorial waters = 12 nauticle miles, economic zones, up to 200
> rights. Iceland tangled with the Brits.
nauticle miles. We will have to deal with Mexico on this one.
> Even the Nazis in Germany didn't get close to a pure racial nation.Adolf Hitler realized this fact. He was short and certianly didn't have
> Germans have always come in many racial strains -- not all are
> blond blue-eyed "aryans". No nation has. One of the main reasons
> for racial diversity has been the importation of slaves in the past
> and guest workers today. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are unlikely
> to remain racially pure if they keep importing workers.
blond hair. The concept was to evolve the race to be better than it is. I
think every race can do this and keep pure bloodlines. Of course, pure is a
reletive term. Again, even Adolf realized this. His idea was that we could
atone for the dilution of the bloodlines by working to make them better and
better over time. Euginics was to be the means.
> Your island ANSE nation might find it needs "other" peopleI am sure that we can do what any "other" person could do effectivly enough.
> living there to keep the place running.
> Japan still seems fairly racially homogeneous. They have decentI like Japan because the people there embrace technology. However, they are
> public transportation, but are nowhere near car-free.
a bit overcrowded. At least from what I've see. I've never been there, but
everytime I see something on TV about Japan, the scene is just... dense.
Dense with people, buildings, cars, etc.
> The common features of car-free places seem to beI believe that is the idea that the author was attempting to get across when
> small size, isolation, or geography inconvenient for roads.
> An urban areas, can be car-free if people can get to nearly
> all their destinations on foot, as in the Moroccan Medinas.
he spoke of the campus of the school he attended. Getting to a place on foot
is the ideal way to do it but everything has to be close, within walking
distance. When this is not practical, bikes and public transportation can be
Living in Denver, Colorado for a time, I have to say that there is an
extensive public transportation system there (primarily busses). That makes
it convenient to get around. I lived there for a little over two years and
never had a car until my last two months there. When I moved back to
Arkansas, I was reminded of the utter lack of public transport. Sure, Little
Rock and North Little Rock have busses, but not many. And I live in Conway,
Arkansas. No public transportation here at all. In order to live and do the
things necessary to living (work, grocery shopping, etc.) one MUST have a
car or do without the most basic needs.
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