6368RE: [carfree_cities] Re: Car-free cities and jobs
- Oct 22, 2003I've been intrigued by all the jobs discussions here. For the most part, in
the U.S., anyway- carfree developments (unless they are on a grand scale and
accommodate over say, 5000 people, which I assume they will not for quite
some time) will still depend on those with car-oriented lifestyles to come
and purchase goods and services for economic survival.
In America it is the rare store outside of cities like Boston, New York,
Washington, Chicago, and San Francisco that is supported mostly by local
on-foot or transit-driven patronage.
Any effects we see here will be on a micro-level.
From: dearleb [mailto:dearleb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: [carfree_cities] Re: Car-free cities and jobs
If the topic is converting all or most of western civilation to auto- free
status, a far-fetched concept, then yes there would be huge
upheavals in economic structure, the mere hint of which would arouse
mighty political opposition to the concept. Assuming instead we are
speaking only of making certain limited areas carfree, in keeping
with the limited demand for such a thing, then only the economic
structure of those areas would be affected.
There would be substantially more employment in retailing and
distribution than in an auto-centric environment, as the economic
efficiencies of big-box stores and big vehicles to distribute goods
would be exchanged for small-scale shops close enough to consumers.
This would result, as it does in such places as Japan, in sharply
higher prices to the consumer, but also, as in Japan, in higher
employment levels than would exist in an auto-centric environment.
This higher cost may be offset for some by no longer needing to own a
vehicle, but many denizens of a car-free city would still need to
keep a car for interface with the auto-centric world beyond the
Attracting employment to such a place is another question - most
likely hefty incentives would be needed for some time to encourage
employers and start-up enterprises to such an environment.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "lockhughes" <felixkc123@h...>
> Hello Justin and Car Free folksfree
> --- In email@example.com, "amqx" <amqx@y...> wrote:
> > Let me start by saying that I strongly support the idea of car-
> > cities. It fits perfectly with my philosophy that society isbased
> > human interaction.
> > However, I was discussing it with a friend of mine, and he
> > an interesting issue. Eliminating cars would leave countless
> > unemployed. Would car-free cities create any new jobs that couldYongkang
> > replace them, such as train and bus building?
> > --Justin
> I actually spent some time recently reading up on a car-free
> (pretty much) city of 500,000+ people.
> Yongkang in eastern Zhejiang province. Neighbouring Yiwu City is
> among China's 100 richest counties (cities), Dongyang City,
> City, and Wucheng District are among province's most well-offand
> counties (cities).
> Yongkang has a long history as a center for tool and machinery
> production. In the late 1990's, *somebody* made the decision that
> Yongkang would also be a center for the manufacture of small two
> three wheeled vehicles, gas and electric, for export. These arekick
> scooters and bicycles and larger Vespa-style machines with power orand
> Today, Yongkang has over 100 factories making component parts
> asembling and selling these little machines. Because the differentappearance
> companies all share most of the same parts, there are perhaps a few
> dozen "flavours", but mostly they all look very similar in
> and specifications.comprise
> Collectively these companies all in and around Yongkang
> several millions of square feet of factory space presently shippinguneven
> millions of scooters and bicycles overseas annually.
> Product features and quality are improving each year, but the
> Yongkang vehicles started out badly and have a reputation for
> quality and support to overcome now... Most of these companiesthat
> are assembling and selling these vehicles are also still engaged inproduction
> their traditional products like wire brushes and power tools, patio
> furniture, etc.
> Yongkang is also China's amputation capital, as their
> of all manner of housewares and tools etc etc involves heavyto
> machinery and unskilled labour, inexperience, etc.
> This at least comprises a lot of employment in this car-free
> city. That they are producing personal vehicles (cars?) is perhaps
> incongruous... the good(?) news is, the citizens of Yongkang don't
> actually use these vehicles themselves. They know the product is
> unadequate, and almost the entire Yongkang output of vehicles goes
> export. There are 100's of ads for these vehicles on eBay rightmotors
> Is there room in a car-free city for bicycles and other little
> electric vehicles? Personal electric vehicles typically have
> rated around 500 watts - compared to your coffee-maker which isgo
> likely rated at over 1,000 watts. A small car might have a power
> measured in watts of perhaps 60,000 watts and from there the cars
> up in power... Humans generate 100-200 watts pedaling their bikes.parts,
> The USA recently legalized power-assisted bicycles up to 750
> watts (as not subject to State motorized vehicle codes.)
> Clearly these little vehicles are not an all-weather, all-
> season solution for many parts of the world, but in many other
> and for many people, they can be.a
> Operating and "fuel" costs for these vehicles can work out to
> penny or a few per passenger mile. AFAIK, our Public Transit hereto
> could manufacture these things locally and give `em away to transit
> users, and they would reduce their operating deficit significantly
> the extent that the little vehicles could replace the larger onesfor
> short urban trips.empty
> With personal little electric vehicles, there are no more
> seats or driver expenses. They plug in anywhere, so you don't needcapacity
> fueling stations. They don't need vast paved parking lots. The
> roadways would suddenly develop a huge increase in existing
> (as the size of the vehicles shrink.)lots
> So, anyway Justin, in answer to your question, I can see
> of employment locally in transportation, without therebeing "cars"...
> Might all depend on your definition of "car-free".
> I prefer a bike or a scooter to a bus or subway anyday. What weTo Post a message, send it to: carfree_cities@...
> *really* need in all of this is shorter distances and less travel!!!
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