4695Re: [carfree_cities] RE: Plateau Mont-Royal
- May 5, 2002Louis-Luc replied:
>Yes. I know Town of Mount Royal, which is also a niceSorry, I didn't mean to nominate Town of Mount Royal for carfree
>place to live carfree, but it's not the same as
>Plateau Mont-Royal neighbourhoods. Anyways, both are
>not that far from each other and neighbourhoods near
>the train station where you mention could also become carfree. I think it
>would be a bit harder though since it's less dense than Plateau.
>The best thing to do is to convert the easiest places first, and then expand
status--the plateau sounds much better (although TMR is a reasonable
candidate for the future).
>As it is presently, lineups build up at the front door of "Apartment ForIf the change become permanent, it would probably be possible to
>Rent" signs, and it's the worst place to choose if you are car-dependant.
>This means places where you can easily live carfree are in demand. Imagine
>what will happen should these neighbourhoods become carfree.
build new housing in the middle of the streets.
>> Those living in the area who are now dependent on cars forCan you post a map of the area, with existing metro and tram (?) routes,
>> getting to work are going to resist this change strenuously. Solutions
>> will have to be found for them, which will entail either providing good
>> public transport alternatives or findng a parking place for them on
>> the edge of the carfree area.
>Yes. Improving public transport is always the solution. We should implement
>more trams/buses to ensure a fast link to the metro, hence a fast link to
>the underground network. Once you enter the metro, you don't face bad
>weather until you pop out at your destination station. Or better, if your
>workplace or school is linked to the Underground Network, then you don't see
>bad weather until you're back out of the metro after the day.
as well as the distance and direction to the park & downtown?
>A solution would be to put more year-round bike parking (for hard coreThere's a problem where the streets cross, in that a 3-4 meter wide
>cyclists), and locker facilities for skis (or skates, scooters...) at the
>concerned metro stations. Once cars are gone, snow could be removed on only
>half of the street (reduce snow removal costs) to allow wheeled devices to
>travel and easy walking, and the other half could keep its natural snow
>cover to allow skiing (faster than walking) as a transportation mode.
strip of bare asphalt would have to be crossed on skis ever block.
But it's a reasonable suggestion, I think. Perhaps short strips of
Astroturf would allow both skiers and pedestrians to cross.
>Another solution could be to build a couple more metro stations, and/orPerhaps, although these tunnels, if they are to be equipped with stores,
>extending the underground tentacles of existing ones. The ones near Plateau
>only have one or two exits, so they could be improved with several tunnels
>running several blocks, like the ones downtown, hence reducing necessary
require a lot of foot traffic to support. I'm not saying that enough
foot traffic wouldn't be available, but it has to be considered.
>If we can get people to walk no more than 5 minutes outdoor (at worst 10?)What I don't recall from my time in Montreal is how windy it is in
>to the nearest metro entrance, then the problem would be somewhat handled.
the depths of the winter. I seem to recall that temperatures of
-20 C are common and that it gets even colder. If it's windy, then
walking 10 minutes or more outdoors can really be a problem.
>And turn another ugly wide fast artery in the periphery into a parking stripThis is a really tough issue, in fact. It will be almost impossible
>for residents and visitors?
to see the carfree plan if you FORCE everybody to give up the car.
I think some provision will have to be made for residents to own
cars and keep them at the edge of the carfree area. This could bd
done in a way that made it very expensive, so as to discourage that
and maybe encourge a modest amount of carsharing, but I don't see
it as being possible any other way. This doesn't necessarily mean
more street traffic and parking in the surrounding areas than now
exists. If you give residents in the adjacent areas exclusive
rights to use available street parking (by way of stickers), and
provide only multi-level underground garages (with steep rental
rates) for residents of the carfree area, then you've pretty well
handled the problem. Traffic should be down, not up, since there
will be fewer people driving to and from the area than now.
>Good ideas. Maybe, in each direction, one lane for a train, one for carsThe issue of commuters to downtown using Parc will require very
>with the access charge, and one
>for cycling and/or buses...
serious attention. I don't know that we have a solution yet.
>Since our mayor showed up in favor of reducing car use, Montrealers on thisStart with local groups, I think. Keep the mayor's office informed
>list could gather and present such a project to him and brainstorm about
>Or better: inform the residents about this possibility.
as soon as you have 100 members or so, but don't look for much
help from there until the movement is large (although you might
be pleasantly surprised).
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