11349Re: [carfree_cities] Two takes on "green" cars
- Apr 30, 2009Incidentally, noise pollution from vehicles contributes to many health harms
including preventable mortality.
In sum the social, health and economic costs are enormous.
Hearing damage for drivers and those exposed (e.g., those who walk and
bicycle near traffic) is only one of the harms.
As for bicycles being silent, bells and the voice both work if the rider is
attentive. A noisemaker in the spokes is also viable. Personally, laws
requiring noisemakers on bikes would be an all-around bad idea. Better to
address the occasional reckless cyclist in other ways.
Diesels need to be replaced with electrification, which reduces harmful
noise as well. Petroleum is too valuable, and too harmful, to be wasted on
transportation anyway. Electrification does not eliminate noise but warning
devices may be important there as well, although a different case from
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Jason Meggs <jmeggs@...> wrote:
> Glad to hear the "silent" car hazard is being studied.
> A friend of mine who is pregnant was recently struck by a prius while
> riding her bicycle, injuring her sacrum and complicating her pregnancy with
> severe pain from the injury.
> The prius was stopped, evidently the driver was talking on the phone. My
> friend, an experienced cyclist, rode out into the intersection to cross and
> was suddenly on the driver's hood, then the street, didn't hear the car
> coming. Brings the "gun with a silencer" concern home, personally.
> The police still have not issued a report, months later, and I have to fear
> based on experience that it will be unfairly disfavorable to her.
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Jym Dyer <jym@...> wrote:
>> > 1. A recent initiative in the US Senate to study the
>> > hazards posed by "silent" car technologies is praised
>> > by the US National Federation of the Blind:
>> > Of course, that this is a problem is not news among
>> > critics of the urban automobile, who anticipated this
>> > kind of thing several years ago.
>> =1= I am of course sympathetic to this problem, but it is a
>> foreground/background problem caused by car culture, making
>> noise pollution the norm. Also, I've been driving a "silent
>> vehicle" for years (a bicycle) and I'm not so sure there's
>> technological solution to that.
>> > Worldchanging: Bright Green: My Other Car is a Bright Green City
>> =2= A very welcome development from the coiner of the phrase
>> "bright green!" The "bright green" crowd emphasizes positive
>> technological solutions to environmental problems, but alas the
>> "positive" part is often used as a rhetorical dodge to dismiss
>> valid criticism (as "negative"). They tend to be ga-ga over
>> "green" cars, so I'm glad Alex Steffen is writing this.
>> (An 0ld Sk00l Appropriate Technology Type)
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