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  • vanousterhout
    LMC/SS Badger uses several different company names on the EPA site, and co-mingled the Badger and PM on the PBS Newshour piece, so I looked it up and found the
    Message 1 of 24 , Feb 16, 2013
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      LMC/SS Badger uses several different company names on the EPA site, and co-mingled the Badger and PM on the PBS Newshour piece, so I looked it up and found the Milwaukee Clipper name registration.

      I found it curious because the best I know, they aren't operating the ship currently and I wasn't aware of any LMC ownership ties to the vessel.

      What about Kewaunee Clipper? Does that refer to a specific vessel?


      --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Bigelow" <allanbigelow@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Why the interest in LMC's name?
      >
      > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "vanousterhout" <vanousterhout@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Why is LMC operating as "Milwaukee Clipper?" Have they ever owned or operated the ship? I was unaware of a Ludington tie.
      > >
      > >
      > > State of Michigan assumed names (aliases) lookup for Lake Michigan Trans-Lake Shortcut Corp. (LMC)
      > >
      > > Assumed Names: Id Num Creation Date Renew Date Expiration Date
      > > MICHIGAN CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > MILWAUKEE-MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > MUSKEGON-MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > MICHIGAN-WISCONSIN CARFERRY SERVICES 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICES 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > WISCONSIN CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
      > > LAKE MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICE 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
      > > CARFERRY 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
      > > S.S. BADGER 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
      > > WISCONSIN CLIPPER 348070 4-26-2001 12-31-2006
      > > MICHIGAN CLIPPER 348070 4-26-2001 12-31-2006
      > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY 348070 10-10-1996 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
      > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 10-17-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
      > > CARFERRY 348070 8-29-1991 12-31-1996
      > > LUDINGTON CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
      > > KEWAUNEE CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
      > > WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICES 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
      > > MANITOWOC-LUDINGTON CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
      > > LUDINGTON-MANITOWOC CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
      > > MICHIGAN-WISCONSIN CARFERRY SERVICES 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
      > > MILWAUKEE-MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
      > > MUSKEGON-MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
      > > MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
      > > MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
      > > LAKE MICHIGAN CAR FERRY SERVICE 348070 8-21-1991 9-16-1991
      > > LAKE MICHIGAN CAR FERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 8-21-1991 9-16-1991
      > >
      > > Return to Record
      > >
      > >
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      > >
      > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Bigelow" <allanbigelow@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > They are also trying to make false claims about being historically tied to the Ann Arbor, Wisconsin and Michigan, Goodrich and Crosby Line. It would be one thing if they were accurate in their historys but they have not been. I have called them out on some of their posts but have gotten blocked because I did it too much.
      > > >
      > > > I think they are doing this because there is an expose coming out on their involvement in the SS Badger issue.
      > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "B" wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Good Morning;
      > > > >
      > > > > While I have nothing against an honest competitor on the lakes, I really don't like how the Lake Express folks do business. Lately, their facebook account has been the scene of thinly veiled jeers toward the Badger.
      > > > >
      > > > > If this bugs you like it does to me, you can fight back. Facebook is a 2-way street. If you have an account (they're free) you can do the following:
      > > > >
      > > > > 1. search for "Lake Express"
      > > > > 2. once on their page, click on "like" to follow the company
      > > > > 3. when Lake Express posts a jab at the badger, reply factually and politely.
      > > > >
      > > > > Last night, they implied that that Badger was only a boat while the Lake Express is a "ship", because it's traveled the ocean. I replied that I've never seen an ice-breaking boat, but I have seen a few ice-breaking ships docked in Ludington.
      > > > >
      > > > > Today, they posted a neat pic of the AKA post-diesel conversion, but then implied that diesels are the only way to go. Someone else replied that (1) the AKA spent six of 25 years out of service due to bad diesels; and (2) it still had a steam engine to power the rudder.
      > > > >
      > > > > It's good to see the community fight back in a respectful way. I'd encourage you to do the same if you have any interest in facebook.
      > > > >
      > > > > Regards,
      > > > > Tad
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
    • wpelky
      The only names that mean anything are the ones on the official documents for LMC (corporate) and the Badger (registration). They probably trademarked those
      Message 2 of 24 , Feb 16, 2013
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        The only names that mean anything are the ones on the official documents for LMC (corporate) and the Badger (registration). They probably trademarked those other names to keep competitors from acquiring them. As long as LMC holds rights to the name Milwaukee Clipper the owners of the Clipper could not resume sailing and market the ship using the name without LMC permission. As long as she stays tied to the dock no harm, no foul. This is a business tactic seen everywhere.

        Milwaukee Clipper was built in 1904 as Juniata, a passenger and package freight boat. She sailed for the Anchor Line from Buffalo to Duluth till 1936. In 1940 McKee's had her wood superstructure replaced with Steel at Manitowoc, and she was renamed Milwaukee Clipper. She sailed the Milwaukee to Muskegon run till 1970.

        --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "vanousterhout" <vanousterhout@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > LMC/SS Badger uses several different company names on the EPA site, and co-mingled the Badger and PM on the PBS Newshour piece, so I looked it up and found the Milwaukee Clipper name registration.
        >
        > I found it curious because the best I know, they aren't operating the ship currently and I wasn't aware of any LMC ownership ties to the vessel.
        >
        > What about Kewaunee Clipper? Does that refer to a specific vessel?
        >
        >
        > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Bigelow" <allanbigelow@> wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > > Why the interest in LMC's name?
        > >
        > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "vanousterhout" <vanousterhout@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Why is LMC operating as "Milwaukee Clipper?" Have they ever owned or operated the ship? I was unaware of a Ludington tie.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > State of Michigan assumed names (aliases) lookup for Lake Michigan Trans-Lake Shortcut Corp. (LMC)
        > > >
        > > > Assumed Names: Id Num Creation Date Renew Date Expiration Date
        > > > MICHIGAN CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > MILWAUKEE-MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > MUSKEGON-MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > MICHIGAN-WISCONSIN CARFERRY SERVICES 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICES 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > WISCONSIN CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
        > > > LAKE MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICE 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
        > > > CARFERRY 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
        > > > S.S. BADGER 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
        > > > WISCONSIN CLIPPER 348070 4-26-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > MICHIGAN CLIPPER 348070 4-26-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY 348070 10-10-1996 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 10-17-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > CARFERRY 348070 8-29-1991 12-31-1996
        > > > LUDINGTON CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
        > > > KEWAUNEE CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
        > > > WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICES 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > MANITOWOC-LUDINGTON CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
        > > > LUDINGTON-MANITOWOC CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
        > > > MICHIGAN-WISCONSIN CARFERRY SERVICES 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > MILWAUKEE-MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > MUSKEGON-MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
        > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CAR FERRY SERVICE 348070 8-21-1991 9-16-1991
        > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CAR FERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 8-21-1991 9-16-1991
        > > >
        > > > Return to Record
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Michigan.gov Home | LARA Home | LARA Contact | State Web Sites
        > > > Privacy Policy | Link Policy | Accessibility Policy | Security Policy
        > > >
        > > > Copyright © 2001- 2013 State of Michigan
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Bigelow" <allanbigelow@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > They are also trying to make false claims about being historically tied to the Ann Arbor, Wisconsin and Michigan, Goodrich and Crosby Line. It would be one thing if they were accurate in their historys but they have not been. I have called them out on some of their posts but have gotten blocked because I did it too much.
        > > > >
        > > > > I think they are doing this because there is an expose coming out on their involvement in the SS Badger issue.
        > > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "B" wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Good Morning;
        > > > > >
        > > > > > While I have nothing against an honest competitor on the lakes, I really don't like how the Lake Express folks do business. Lately, their facebook account has been the scene of thinly veiled jeers toward the Badger.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > If this bugs you like it does to me, you can fight back. Facebook is a 2-way street. If you have an account (they're free) you can do the following:
        > > > > >
        > > > > > 1. search for "Lake Express"
        > > > > > 2. once on their page, click on "like" to follow the company
        > > > > > 3. when Lake Express posts a jab at the badger, reply factually and politely.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Last night, they implied that that Badger was only a boat while the Lake Express is a "ship", because it's traveled the ocean. I replied that I've never seen an ice-breaking boat, but I have seen a few ice-breaking ships docked in Ludington.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Today, they posted a neat pic of the AKA post-diesel conversion, but then implied that diesels are the only way to go. Someone else replied that (1) the AKA spent six of 25 years out of service due to bad diesels; and (2) it still had a steam engine to power the rudder.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > It's good to see the community fight back in a respectful way. I'd encourage you to do the same if you have any interest in facebook.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Regards,
        > > > > > Tad
        > > > > >
        > > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
      • Allan Bigelow
        The Juniata was the second of three identical ships. The other two were the Tionesta and Octorara. It mentions briefly in Mark Howell s documetary that the
        Message 3 of 24 , Feb 16, 2013
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          The Juniata was the second of three identical ships. The other two were the Tionesta and Octorara. It mentions briefly in Mark Howell's documetary that the Wisconsin and Michigan acquired the Tionesta as well. However it was scrapped instead of being placed into service. The Octorara was used as a troop transport for the war effort and scrapped in 1952.

          If the Tionesta would have been built as lets assume a twin of the Milwaukee Clipper, I wonder if it would have been called the Muskegon Clipper or Chicago Clipper as they also went to Chicago for a short time.

          --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "wpelky" <wpelky@...> wrote:
          >
          > The only names that mean anything are the ones on the official documents for LMC (corporate) and the Badger (registration). They probably trademarked those other names to keep competitors from acquiring them. As long as LMC holds rights to the name Milwaukee Clipper the owners of the Clipper could not resume sailing and market the ship using the name without LMC permission. As long as she stays tied to the dock no harm, no foul. This is a business tactic seen everywhere.
          >
          > Milwaukee Clipper was built in 1904 as Juniata, a passenger and package freight boat. She sailed for the Anchor Line from Buffalo to Duluth till 1936. In 1940 McKee's had her wood superstructure replaced with Steel at Manitowoc, and she was renamed Milwaukee Clipper. She sailed the Milwaukee to Muskegon run till 1970.
          >
          > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "vanousterhout" <vanousterhout@> wrote:
          > >
          > >
          > > LMC/SS Badger uses several different company names on the EPA site, and co-mingled the Badger and PM on the PBS Newshour piece, so I looked it up and found the Milwaukee Clipper name registration.
          > >
          > > I found it curious because the best I know, they aren't operating the ship currently and I wasn't aware of any LMC ownership ties to the vessel.
          > >
          > > What about Kewaunee Clipper? Does that refer to a specific vessel?
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Bigelow" <allanbigelow@> wrote:
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Why the interest in LMC's name?
          > > >
          > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "vanousterhout" <vanousterhout@> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Why is LMC operating as "Milwaukee Clipper?" Have they ever owned or operated the ship? I was unaware of a Ludington tie.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > State of Michigan assumed names (aliases) lookup for Lake Michigan Trans-Lake Shortcut Corp. (LMC)
          > > > >
          > > > > Assumed Names: Id Num Creation Date Renew Date Expiration Date
          > > > > MICHIGAN CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > MILWAUKEE-MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > MUSKEGON-MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > MICHIGAN-WISCONSIN CARFERRY SERVICES 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICES 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > WISCONSIN CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
          > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICE 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
          > > > > CARFERRY 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
          > > > > S.S. BADGER 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
          > > > > WISCONSIN CLIPPER 348070 4-26-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > MICHIGAN CLIPPER 348070 4-26-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY 348070 10-10-1996 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 10-17-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > CARFERRY 348070 8-29-1991 12-31-1996
          > > > > LUDINGTON CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
          > > > > KEWAUNEE CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
          > > > > WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICES 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > MANITOWOC-LUDINGTON CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
          > > > > LUDINGTON-MANITOWOC CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
          > > > > MICHIGAN-WISCONSIN CARFERRY SERVICES 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > MILWAUKEE-MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > MUSKEGON-MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
          > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CAR FERRY SERVICE 348070 8-21-1991 9-16-1991
          > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CAR FERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 8-21-1991 9-16-1991
          > > > >
          > > > > Return to Record
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Michigan.gov Home | LARA Home | LARA Contact | State Web Sites
          > > > > Privacy Policy | Link Policy | Accessibility Policy | Security Policy
          > > > >
          > > > > Copyright © 2001- 2013 State of Michigan
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Bigelow" <allanbigelow@> wrote:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > They are also trying to make false claims about being historically tied to the Ann Arbor, Wisconsin and Michigan, Goodrich and Crosby Line. It would be one thing if they were accurate in their historys but they have not been. I have called them out on some of their posts but have gotten blocked because I did it too much.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I think they are doing this because there is an expose coming out on their involvement in the SS Badger issue.
          > > > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "B" wrote:
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Good Morning;
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > While I have nothing against an honest competitor on the lakes, I really don't like how the Lake Express folks do business. Lately, their facebook account has been the scene of thinly veiled jeers toward the Badger.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > If this bugs you like it does to me, you can fight back. Facebook is a 2-way street. If you have an account (they're free) you can do the following:
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > 1. search for "Lake Express"
          > > > > > > 2. once on their page, click on "like" to follow the company
          > > > > > > 3. when Lake Express posts a jab at the badger, reply factually and politely.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Last night, they implied that that Badger was only a boat while the Lake Express is a "ship", because it's traveled the ocean. I replied that I've never seen an ice-breaking boat, but I have seen a few ice-breaking ships docked in Ludington.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Today, they posted a neat pic of the AKA post-diesel conversion, but then implied that diesels are the only way to go. Someone else replied that (1) the AKA spent six of 25 years out of service due to bad diesels; and (2) it still had a steam engine to power the rudder.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > It's good to see the community fight back in a respectful way. I'd encourage you to do the same if you have any interest in facebook.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Regards,
          > > > > > > Tad
          > > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >
        • Erik Jonasson
          I believe it was to be named the Chicago Clipper. Erik ... From: Allan Bigelow Subject: [carferry] Re: LMC owners operating as
          Message 4 of 24 , Feb 19, 2013
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            I believe it was to be named the Chicago Clipper.


            Erik
            --- On Sat, 2/16/13, Allan Bigelow <allanbigelow@...> wrote:


            From: Allan Bigelow <allanbigelow@...>
            Subject: [carferry] Re: LMC owners operating as "Milwaukee Clipper?"
            To: carferry@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013, 6:55 PM



             



            The Juniata was the second of three identical ships. The other two were the Tionesta and Octorara. It mentions briefly in Mark Howell's documetary that the Wisconsin and Michigan acquired the Tionesta as well. However it was scrapped instead of being placed into service. The Octorara was used as a troop transport for the war effort and scrapped in 1952.

            If the Tionesta would have been built as lets assume a twin of the Milwaukee Clipper, I wonder if it would have been called the Muskegon Clipper or Chicago Clipper as they also went to Chicago for a short time.

            --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "wpelky" wrote:
            >
            > The only names that mean anything are the ones on the official documents for LMC (corporate) and the Badger (registration). They probably trademarked those other names to keep competitors from acquiring them. As long as LMC holds rights to the name Milwaukee Clipper the owners of the Clipper could not resume sailing and market the ship using the name without LMC permission. As long as she stays tied to the dock no harm, no foul. This is a business tactic seen everywhere.
            >
            > Milwaukee Clipper was built in 1904 as Juniata, a passenger and package freight boat. She sailed for the Anchor Line from Buffalo to Duluth till 1936. In 1940 McKee's had her wood superstructure replaced with Steel at Manitowoc, and she was renamed Milwaukee Clipper. She sailed the Milwaukee to Muskegon run till 1970.
            >
            > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "vanousterhout" wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > LMC/SS Badger uses several different company names on the EPA site, and co-mingled the Badger and PM on the PBS Newshour piece, so I looked it up and found the Milwaukee Clipper name registration.
            > >
            > > I found it curious because the best I know, they aren't operating the ship currently and I wasn't aware of any LMC ownership ties to the vessel.
            > >
            > > What about Kewaunee Clipper? Does that refer to a specific vessel?
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Bigelow" wrote:
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Why the interest in LMC's name?
            > > >
            > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "vanousterhout" wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Why is LMC operating as "Milwaukee Clipper?" Have they ever owned or operated the ship? I was unaware of a Ludington tie.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > State of Michigan assumed names (aliases) lookup for Lake Michigan Trans-Lake Shortcut Corp. (LMC)
            > > > >
            > > > > Assumed Names: Id Num Creation Date Renew Date Expiration Date
            > > > > MICHIGAN CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > MILWAUKEE-MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > MUSKEGON-MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > MICHIGAN-WISCONSIN CARFERRY SERVICES 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICES 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > WISCONSIN CLIPPER 348070 5-18-2007 12-31-2012
            > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICE 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
            > > > > CARFERRY 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
            > > > > S.S. BADGER 348070 6-22-2006 10-27-2011 12-31-2016
            > > > > WISCONSIN CLIPPER 348070 4-26-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > MICHIGAN CLIPPER 348070 4-26-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY 348070 10-10-1996 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CARFERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 10-17-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > CARFERRY 348070 8-29-1991 12-31-1996
            > > > > LUDINGTON CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
            > > > > KEWAUNEE CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
            > > > > WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN FERRY SERVICES 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > MANITOWOC-LUDINGTON CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
            > > > > LUDINGTON-MANITOWOC CLIPPER 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-1996
            > > > > MICHIGAN-WISCONSIN CARFERRY SERVICES 348070 8-23-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > MILWAUKEE-MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > MUSKEGON-MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > MILWAUKEE CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > MUSKEGON CLIPPER 348070 8-21-1991 12-31-2001 12-31-2006
            > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CAR FERRY SERVICE 348070 8-21-1991 9-16-1991
            > > > > LAKE MICHIGAN CAR FERRY SERVICE, INC. 348070 8-21-1991 9-16-1991
            > > > >
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            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Bigelow" wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > They are also trying to make false claims about being historically tied to the Ann Arbor, Wisconsin and Michigan, Goodrich and Crosby Line. It would be one thing if they were accurate in their historys but they have not been. I have called them out on some of their posts but have gotten blocked because I did it too much.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I think they are doing this because there is an expose coming out on their involvement in the SS Badger issue.
            > > > > > --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, "B" wrote:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Good Morning;
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > While I have nothing against an honest competitor on the lakes, I really don't like how the Lake Express folks do business. Lately, their facebook account has been the scene of thinly veiled jeers toward the Badger.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > If this bugs you like it does to me, you can fight back. Facebook is a 2-way street. If you have an account (they're free) you can do the following:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > 1. search for "Lake Express"
            > > > > > > 2. once on their page, click on "like" to follow the company
            > > > > > > 3. when Lake Express posts a jab at the badger, reply factually and politely.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Last night, they implied that that Badger was only a boat while the Lake Express is a "ship", because it's traveled the ocean. I replied that I've never seen an ice-breaking boat, but I have seen a few ice-breaking ships docked in Ludington.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Today, they posted a neat pic of the AKA post-diesel conversion, but then implied that diesels are the only way to go. Someone else replied that (1) the AKA spent six of 25 years out of service due to bad diesels; and (2) it still had a steam engine to power the rudder.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > It's good to see the community fight back in a respectful way. I'd encourage you to do the same if you have any interest in facebook.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Regards,
            > > > > > > Tad
            > > > > > >
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          • Allan Bigelow
            Looks like Lake Express is back to trash talking again. Now they claim to be experts in shipping wind towers. In response to someone asking inquiring about
            Message 5 of 24 , Feb 28, 2013
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              Looks like Lake Express is back to trash talking again. Now they claim to be experts in shipping wind towers. In response to someone asking inquiring about barges being needed to haul wind towers out of Milwaukee

              "Wind towers and blades are transported through the Great Lakes a dozen or more pieces at a time. It's a job for barges or cargo ships, not ferries."

              Here is their post own post on the subject.

              "Some people have asked if the Lake Express is able to carry wind tower segments. While the Lake Express does not, the Port of Milwaukee has a long history of doing so via tug and barge. This configuration allows many components to be transported in a single load - a much more fuel efficient operation that transporting one at a time."

              Here is a silly comment they made on the photo on their post.

              "This load of approximately 15 tower segments would take two weeks and roughly 30 Lake Michigan crossings to accomplish on a traditional ferry."

              Its funny to watch. That kind of rhetoric does put people in seats.

              --- In carferry@yahoogroups.com, Don Leistikow <DLeistikow@...> wrote:
              >
              > Tad Dunville and list: Having done a tour of duty with our US Navy,
              > permit me to tell you of the definition of a Ship vs a Boat. Travelling
              > an Ocean does not qualify any vessel as a Ship. Therefore, a raft on
              > the Ocean, does not make it a Ship.
              >
              > A Ship is a vessel that cannot be placed onto another vessel. A Boat,
              > is a vessel that can be lifted, out of the water, and placed upon a Ship
              > or, otherwise can be lifted ashore for repairs or storage.
              >
              > The only exception that I can think of, are the floating Dry Docks,
              > which can lift a ship out of the water.
              >
              > Fresh water vs Salt water, have nothing to do with the definition.
              >
              > As for the Lake Express, we may associate these with Catamorans, a late
              > method of Water Transportation that is really not a Ship, nor a Boat.
              >
              > FWIW.... Don L . (my two cents worth)
              >
            • Michael McGuire
              There is a lot of misinformation on the Lake Express Facebook page - particularly about wind turbine part transportation. It might be worth pointing that out
              Message 6 of 24 , Mar 1 10:42 AM
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                There is a lot of misinformation on the Lake Express Facebook page - particularly about wind turbine part transportation. It might be worth pointing that out to other readers on FB. Lake Express has no expertise or particular knowledge regarding special loads crossing Lake Michigan and maybe it should say so.

                Michael McGuire
                Grand Rapids, Michigan
                mdmcguire(at)yahoo(dot)com


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              • Bill Christopher
                Does anybody transport wind power components by barge? How can it be efficient when you would have to transload the part twice? Of course that increases the
                Message 7 of 24 , Mar 2 5:59 AM
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                  Does anybody transport wind power components by barge? How can it be efficient when you would have to transload the part twice? Of course that increases the opportunities for damage.

                  As in railroad days, that's the beauty of true carferries: no transloading. But of course I'm preaching to the choir.

                  BC

                  "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson
                • Bill Christopher
                  Good idea, Michael, to take the fight to Lake Express via Facebook. But as I am one of the 43 people in the US who still refuses to do Facebook, I will have to
                  Message 8 of 24 , Mar 2 6:03 AM
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                    Good idea, Michael, to take the fight to Lake Express via Facebook. But as I am one of the 43 people in the US who still refuses to do Facebook, I will have to defer to someone else.

                    BC

                    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson
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