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RE: [bukowsko_triangle] Re: Carpathian Highlander mtDNA Project

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  • w7v0-83u7@xemaps.com
    All, Dr. Nikitin has kindly agreed to allow me to post his reply to me to the group. See below. Dave Greenlee ... From: Dr. Happy
    Message 1 of 10 , Sep 1, 2009
      All,

      Dr. Nikitin has kindly agreed to allow me to post his reply to me to the
      group. See below.

      Dave Greenlee

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      From: Dr. Happy [mailto:wagonswest33@...]
      Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:05 PM
      To: w7v0-83u7@...
      Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] Re: Carpathian Highlander mtDNA Project


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      Dave,

      The results of the study seem to indicate that the three Carpathian
      highlander populations have frequencies of genetic markers (on
      mitochondrial DNA) different than those of the neighboring populations
      of larger ethnicities. Those frequencies are also different within the
      highlander groups studied. The only significance in the latter
      differences (as far as genetics is concerned) is that all three groups
      followed different genetic/demographic histories, which is not
      unexpected, and that Lemkos have unique markers present (I and M
      haplogroups). These markers are not characteristic at the frequency
      found in Lemkos of a European population.
      I am not an expert on ethnicity, but I do believe that ethnicity is
      better resolved at a local subgroup level than at the one involving
      political-national designations. To illustrate, in my paper, the mtDNA
      marker frequencies of Russians, Poles and Czechs are almost
      indistinguishable from one another, yet from an ethnic prospective these
      three have rather different ethnic roots.
      The National Geographic channel just aired a special on mtDNA
      genealogy. Though hard to follow at times, the program did bring up some
      important points about the utility of mtDNA polymorphism to genealogical
      studies. Most importantly, genetic lineages don't follow population
      histories precisely, and are only useful in desiphering the likely
      geographic origins of the founder group on the maternal side. The mtDNA
      info is just not precise enough to go further, though many do try. I'd
      be happy to answer any other questions you may have.

      Best regards,

      -AN


      --- On Sun, 8/30/09, w7v0-83u7@... <w7v0-83u7@...> wrote:

      > From: w7v0-83u7@... <w7v0-83u7@...>
      > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] Re: Carpathian Highlander mtDNA
      > Project
      > To: t4r2-mt9f@...
      > Cc: wagonswest33@...
      > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 9:35 PM
      > MessageDr.
      > Nikitin,
      >
      > None of
      > us here, as far as I know,
      > are population geneticists, so your offer of help is very
      > much appreciated. It's
      > easy for laypersons to draw false conclusions from
      > technical
      > papers.
      >
      > Does
      > your 2009 paper bear on the
      > the long-standing question of whether the Carpatho-Rusyns
      > are, by reason of
      > having a different origin, a separate ethnic group from the
      > Ukrainians? The
      > scatter chart would seem to suggest that the origins of the
      > Lemkos, Boykos, and
      > Hutsuls are not only different from the Ukrainians but also
      > from one another,
      > but it is difficult for us non-experts to determine the
      > degree of significance
      > of those differences.
      >
      > If you
      > have the time, I'd also like
      > to ask you a couple of questions about the utility of DNA
      > testing for purposes
      > of every-day genealogy.
      >
      > Best
      > regards,
      > Dave
      > Greenlee
      >
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