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  • Ed Wilton
    Hi Debra,   Finally was able to check the census records for my Homick relatives.  They are identified as Ukrainian from Austria-Hungary also.  Ship
    Message 1 of 38 , Aug 31, 2009
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      Hi Debra,
       
      Finally was able to check the census records for my Homick relatives.  They are identified as "Ukrainian" from Austria-Hungary also.  Ship manifests list them as Galizen or Ruthenian or both.  Thanks for the info.
       
      Ed

      --- On Wed, 8/26/09, another_dw <walenchok@...> wrote:


      From: another_dw <walenchok@...>
      Subject: [bukowsko_triangle] Re: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
      To: bukowsko_triangle@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:47 AM


       



      Hi Ed,

      It may be of some interest to you that my dad's father also came to America from Prybyshiv or however it's spelled)around 1899. We were ALWAYS raised as Ukrainians-- kept the holiday traditions, customs, church, etc. Recently I found three different US census records online for my grandpap's family ("Wolanski" in Carnegie PA, who later changed the spelling to "Volanski"-- my maiden name)--anyway in the census records they state their ethnicity as "Ukrainian" (on the one in 1910) and that they came from Austria-Hungary. Later census records indicate that they came from Poland which was also true--today Prybyshiv would of course be in Poland. My dad spoke English at home when we were little, but he could also speak Ukrainian with what I've discovered is a Lemko influence. Have you tried going to Lemko.org and looking for Lemko surnames? (http://lemko. org/genealogy/ krasovskiy/ namesUS.html) I just did a quick check and found this: "Chomyk Homyk, Homik"
      (spelling variation) and where they were found as having lived in: "Berezka, Zdynia, Macyna W. (2), Pantna, Pulawy (4), Rostajne, Swiatkowa W. (6) 16" (Village names in Latin alphabet.)

      Debra

      --- In bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com, Ed Wilton <edwwilton@. ..> wrote:
      >
      > My grandfather originally spelled his last name "Chomik", but changed it when applying for citizenship.  I don't know where Krempna is in relation to Pryzbishiv (I can never spell this correctly), but I cannot find any "Chomiks" in any Pryzbishiv records.  The church records form Nanticoke are pretty definite that that is where he and his wife (Sadowski) lived prior to emigration. 
      >  
      > One other story about ethnicity.  I was attending the Florida Folk Festival as a young high school graduate back in the 1980's and happened to walk by the Ukrainian display.  I think a Ukrainian dance troupe had made an appearance.  Anyway, I was looking at the pysanky on display and began talking with one of the older Ukrainian-Americans behind the table.  He asked me if I was Ukrainian (because of my questions and interest) and I told him that I was Polish and that is what I believed at the time.  He asked me what name I had that I thought was Polish and I told him "Homick".  The old man burst into loud laughter and proceeded to tell every behind the booth individually that I thought I was Polish.  They got a big kick out it.  He never tried to correct my assumption; never attempted to explain to me that I was anything but Polish, but his reaction kept me ever claiming to be Polish again.  I had to find out what was going on.  Looking back
      on
      > it, I wish I had stayed and talked some more with that old-timer.
      >
      >
      > --- On Tue, 8/25/09, elstonwe@... <elstonwe@.. .> wrote:
      >
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      > From: elstonwe@... <elstonwe@.. .>
      > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] RE: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
      > To: bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com
      > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:55 AM
      >
      >
      >  
      >
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      > I have "Homik"s /"Chomik"s in my paternal line from the village of Swiatkowa Wielka near Krempna. I think it was a common name.
      >
      > Gloria
      > ------------ -- Original message from Ed Wilton <edwwilton@yahoo. com>: ------------ --
      >
      > Yes it's a very small world. I've been to Hanover Twp. several times and like Pelas candy store. My mother's maiden name is Homick, and from what I know they also lived in Askam at one time. Apparently, a lot of "Bukowsko" people filtered through there.
      >
      > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, elstonwe@att. net <elstonwe@att. net> wrote:
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      > From: elstonwe@att. net <elstonwe@att. net>
      > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] RE: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
      > To: bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com
      > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 10:48 PM
      >
      > Oh, my goodness. My sister lives in Nanticoke. I lived for 8 years in Hanover Twp, specifically Buttonwood. Small world.
      >
      > Gloria
      > ------------ -- Original message from Ed Wilton <edwwilton@yahoo. com>: ------------ --
      >
      > Yes. She is from the Hannover section of Nanticoke, PA.
      >
      > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, elstonwe@att. net <elstonwe@att. net> wrote:
      >
      > From: elstonwe@att. net <elstonwe@att. net>
      > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] RE: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
      > To: bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com
      > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 9:57 PM
      >
      > Ed, Was your mom born in the US?
      >
      > Gloria
      > ------------ -- Original message from Ed Wilton <edwwilton@yahoo. com>: ------------ --
      >
      > Hello All,
      >
      > My mother used a carousel of ethnicities to describe herself. At different times she claimed to be Polish, ROOshkie, Ukrainian, and Austrian. She used them interchangeably. It was very confusing as a child and spurned my interest in genealogy. She told me her father always claimed to be Austrian, and his obituary states he was born in Austria (He was from Pryzbishiv). Her grandmother was a Rusyn from eastern Slovakia, yet she doesn't feel attached to the Rusyn church in Ormond Beach because "those people are all Slovaks!" In my opinion, ethnicity is a choice.
      >
      > Ed
      >
      > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Marie Hughes <meh58@comcast. net> wrote:
      >
      > From: Marie Hughes <meh58@comcast. net>
      > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] RE: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
      > To: bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com
      > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 2:12 PM
      >
      > Debbie,
      >
      > I'm not a science major..... I can only reply with my heart. My
      > father always said he is Polish and very proud of it when I found they
      > were from the village of Kaczanowska which was on the Galicia Russian
      > border which is currently Ukraine..... .at one time Poland I don't have
      > the heart to tell him that it's in Ukraine now. I see it as a
      > following of traditions and family lines. On both my sides Polish
      > and Rusyn, who know what is mixed in because of the intermarriage that
      > went on. Because of the history of the area at this point in time my
      > thinking is less black and white. I can only know where my
      > grandparents were from how they carried out there traditions.
      >
      > Marie
      >
      > On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Debbie Greenlee wrote:
      >
      > > Marie,
      > >
      > > This is the problem. Did people consider themselves one thing yet
      > > their blood lines (DNA) indicate they were really something else? Does
      > > it matter in the long run? Perhaps for genetic reasons it might but
      > > maybe the question really is "What is ethnicity?"
      > >
      > > Debbie
      > >
      > > Marie Hughes wrote:
      > > > I have done some reading about the subject and am responding off-
      > > the-
      > > > cuff.....but thru all the studies I can't help to think that what
      > > all
      > > > they went thru and the pressure to be different by different
      > > > governments I too might just give in and want give up and swim with
      > > > the tide....
      > > > My Great grandmother (Lemko) immigrated to Pa said she was
      > > > Austria...it was easier
      > > > but her faith and traditions she kept to her Lemko ways. I believe
      > > > the confusion of the people is made by outsiders telling them who
      > > they
      > > > are..
      > > >
      > > > Marie
      > >
      > >
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    • Ed Wilton
      Hi Debra,   Finally was able to check the census records for my Homick relatives.  They are identified as Ukrainian from Austria-Hungary also.  Ship
      Message 38 of 38 , Aug 31, 2009
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        Hi Debra,
         
        Finally was able to check the census records for my Homick relatives.  They are identified as "Ukrainian" from Austria-Hungary also.  Ship manifests list them as Galizen or Ruthenian or both.  Thanks for the info.
         
        Ed

        --- On Wed, 8/26/09, another_dw <walenchok@...> wrote:


        From: another_dw <walenchok@...>
        Subject: [bukowsko_triangle] Re: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
        To: bukowsko_triangle@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:47 AM


         



        Hi Ed,

        It may be of some interest to you that my dad's father also came to America from Prybyshiv or however it's spelled)around 1899. We were ALWAYS raised as Ukrainians-- kept the holiday traditions, customs, church, etc. Recently I found three different US census records online for my grandpap's family ("Wolanski" in Carnegie PA, who later changed the spelling to "Volanski"-- my maiden name)--anyway in the census records they state their ethnicity as "Ukrainian" (on the one in 1910) and that they came from Austria-Hungary. Later census records indicate that they came from Poland which was also true--today Prybyshiv would of course be in Poland. My dad spoke English at home when we were little, but he could also speak Ukrainian with what I've discovered is a Lemko influence. Have you tried going to Lemko.org and looking for Lemko surnames? (http://lemko. org/genealogy/ krasovskiy/ namesUS.html) I just did a quick check and found this: "Chomyk Homyk, Homik"
        (spelling variation) and where they were found as having lived in: "Berezka, Zdynia, Macyna W. (2), Pantna, Pulawy (4), Rostajne, Swiatkowa W. (6) 16" (Village names in Latin alphabet.)

        Debra

        --- In bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com, Ed Wilton <edwwilton@. ..> wrote:
        >
        > My grandfather originally spelled his last name "Chomik", but changed it when applying for citizenship.  I don't know where Krempna is in relation to Pryzbishiv (I can never spell this correctly), but I cannot find any "Chomiks" in any Pryzbishiv records.  The church records form Nanticoke are pretty definite that that is where he and his wife (Sadowski) lived prior to emigration. 
        >  
        > One other story about ethnicity.  I was attending the Florida Folk Festival as a young high school graduate back in the 1980's and happened to walk by the Ukrainian display.  I think a Ukrainian dance troupe had made an appearance.  Anyway, I was looking at the pysanky on display and began talking with one of the older Ukrainian-Americans behind the table.  He asked me if I was Ukrainian (because of my questions and interest) and I told him that I was Polish and that is what I believed at the time.  He asked me what name I had that I thought was Polish and I told him "Homick".  The old man burst into loud laughter and proceeded to tell every behind the booth individually that I thought I was Polish.  They got a big kick out it.  He never tried to correct my assumption; never attempted to explain to me that I was anything but Polish, but his reaction kept me ever claiming to be Polish again.  I had to find out what was going on.  Looking back
        on
        > it, I wish I had stayed and talked some more with that old-timer.
        >
        >
        > --- On Tue, 8/25/09, elstonwe@... <elstonwe@.. .> wrote:
        >
        >
        > From: elstonwe@... <elstonwe@.. .>
        > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] RE: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
        > To: bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com
        > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:55 AM
        >
        >
        >  
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > I have "Homik"s /"Chomik"s in my paternal line from the village of Swiatkowa Wielka near Krempna. I think it was a common name.
        >
        > Gloria
        > ------------ -- Original message from Ed Wilton <edwwilton@yahoo. com>: ------------ --
        >
        > Yes it's a very small world. I've been to Hanover Twp. several times and like Pelas candy store. My mother's maiden name is Homick, and from what I know they also lived in Askam at one time. Apparently, a lot of "Bukowsko" people filtered through there.
        >
        > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, elstonwe@att. net <elstonwe@att. net> wrote:
        >
        > From: elstonwe@att. net <elstonwe@att. net>
        > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] RE: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
        > To: bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com
        > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 10:48 PM
        >
        > Oh, my goodness. My sister lives in Nanticoke. I lived for 8 years in Hanover Twp, specifically Buttonwood. Small world.
        >
        > Gloria
        > ------------ -- Original message from Ed Wilton <edwwilton@yahoo. com>: ------------ --
        >
        > Yes. She is from the Hannover section of Nanticoke, PA.
        >
        > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, elstonwe@att. net <elstonwe@att. net> wrote:
        >
        > From: elstonwe@att. net <elstonwe@att. net>
        > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] RE: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
        > To: bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com
        > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 9:57 PM
        >
        > Ed, Was your mom born in the US?
        >
        > Gloria
        > ------------ -- Original message from Ed Wilton <edwwilton@yahoo. com>: ------------ --
        >
        > Hello All,
        >
        > My mother used a carousel of ethnicities to describe herself. At different times she claimed to be Polish, ROOshkie, Ukrainian, and Austrian. She used them interchangeably. It was very confusing as a child and spurned my interest in genealogy. She told me her father always claimed to be Austrian, and his obituary states he was born in Austria (He was from Pryzbishiv). Her grandmother was a Rusyn from eastern Slovakia, yet she doesn't feel attached to the Rusyn church in Ormond Beach because "those people are all Slovaks!" In my opinion, ethnicity is a choice.
        >
        > Ed
        >
        > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Marie Hughes <meh58@comcast. net> wrote:
        >
        > From: Marie Hughes <meh58@comcast. net>
        > Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] RE: My summary of Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation in the Boyko, Hutsul, and Lemko
        > To: bukowsko_triangle@ yahoogroups. com
        > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 2:12 PM
        >
        > Debbie,
        >
        > I'm not a science major..... I can only reply with my heart. My
        > father always said he is Polish and very proud of it when I found they
        > were from the village of Kaczanowska which was on the Galicia Russian
        > border which is currently Ukraine..... .at one time Poland I don't have
        > the heart to tell him that it's in Ukraine now. I see it as a
        > following of traditions and family lines. On both my sides Polish
        > and Rusyn, who know what is mixed in because of the intermarriage that
        > went on. Because of the history of the area at this point in time my
        > thinking is less black and white. I can only know where my
        > grandparents were from how they carried out there traditions.
        >
        > Marie
        >
        > On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Debbie Greenlee wrote:
        >
        > > Marie,
        > >
        > > This is the problem. Did people consider themselves one thing yet
        > > their blood lines (DNA) indicate they were really something else? Does
        > > it matter in the long run? Perhaps for genetic reasons it might but
        > > maybe the question really is "What is ethnicity?"
        > >
        > > Debbie
        > >
        > > Marie Hughes wrote:
        > > > I have done some reading about the subject and am responding off-
        > > the-
        > > > cuff.....but thru all the studies I can't help to think that what
        > > all
        > > > they went thru and the pressure to be different by different
        > > > governments I too might just give in and want give up and swim with
        > > > the tide....
        > > > My Great grandmother (Lemko) immigrated to Pa said she was
        > > > Austria...it was easier
        > > > but her faith and traditions she kept to her Lemko ways. I believe
        > > > the confusion of the people is made by outsiders telling them who
        > > they
        > > > are..
        > > >
        > > > Marie
        > >
        > >
        >
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