Re: [bukowsko_triangle] Free DNA Testing
Perhaps its easiest to see the situation by means of a heredity diagram
that looks like an inverted triangle. Simply start with the two simple
1-generation cases (there are no others) that look like a letter "V" and
label them as follows:
Father Mother Father Mother
\ / \ /
Y \ / mt \ / mt
\ / \ /
Add as many generations as you wish. Then follow the trails of Y-DNA and
mtDNA to see which ancestors produce an unbroken path. Any path that
does not have a continuous chain, namely, will fail to provide data for
For example, brothers and sisters have an "mt-DNA" path (Son - Mother -
Daughter) but there is no such path between two cousins that are related
by way of your Mother's Father since a (Father-Daughter) path has
neither mt-DNA nor Y-DNA inheritance.
> Hi Debbie,
> Thanks for the explanation. Now let me see if I understand it correctly and
> am still not confused. If I wanted to trace both sides of my family, I
> would need the following:
> Y-DNA and mtDNA from my brother--for the lineage of both my father's father
> and my father's mother.
> mtDNA from me--for lineage of my mother's mother only.
> Y-DNA from my mother's brother or one of his sons for the lineage of my
> mother's father.
> I this correct?
> If I got both a Y-DN and mtDNA from my mother's brother, would it provide
> the same information about his mother's (my grandmother's) line as I would get
> from my own mtDNA--and, therefore, not need a test of my own mtDNA?
> In a message dated 6/2/2007 7:28:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> daveg@... writes:
> A male can have two different DNA tests run.
> The "paternal" test is the Y-DNA test. This tests only the male line
> directly back.
> The "maternal" test is the mtDNA test. This one tests the female lines
> back but the results include not only your brother's (for example)
> mother's DNA the results also include his paternal grandmother'mother's D
> so the lines get all mixed up.
> For women the only test is the mtDNA. You can not, yet, test a female
> for her paternal line.
> So, if you wanted to test the male Revak line, and that was also your
> brother's surname he would have to "take" the Y-DNA test. That would
> only test the males in a direct line back (which _should_ all have the
> Revak surname).
> If you wanted your mother's maternal line tested then you would "take"
> the mtDNA test.
> If you want your mother's father's line then you need to have one of
> _her_ brother's tested or one of her brother's sons (your cousin)
> tested. You could expand that to your mother's father's brothers,
> their sons or their grandsons.
> It gets tricky and expensive so you need to be careful.
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- Hi Gloria,
This organization asks you to try to document 4 generations of your family,
however they waive this if your family comes from Europe. From what I
understand from the documents I received, they may have researchers attempt
to complete any unfinished or incomplete pedigrees you submit.
I tried to find further information about this oraganization and have a link
for a news articleI found through google.
As well, they have a searchable data base using either DNA results or
through a father's suranme at http://www.smgf.org/pages/ydatabase.jspx
Yes, they do assign a number to you and this will be your only identifier.
Now I don't know how this will help me doing online research. I'll try to
see if I can get more answers by getting in touch with one of their
contacts. They've stated in a letter I received that they encourage and
will help with any questions you may have.
Subject: Re: [bukowsko_triangle] Free DNA Testing
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:23:21 +0000
I personally don't think there are any negatives for your participation. I
went to a genealogy conference in SLC a few years ago and they had a booth
set up taking DNA samples. I guess that I forgot it was a mouth wash type
of collection. As I remember, they also required 4 generations of your
family to be documented. The booth was only set up for one day and I missed
the opportunity. Does your kit have a number on it? Will you at a future
time be able to look up that number?
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From: "Julie Finczak" <julliefishes@...>
> Hi Everyone,
> I've read Roman's response about not receiving the DNA results from the
> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation global database, if one
> and submits their sample of DNA.impressed
> Can anyone tell me what might be the negatives of participating in this
> study? I was under the impression that I would be able to search their
> database in the future for family connections.
> A couple of days ago, I received the collection kit and was quite
> with the packaging. The cost of the package and mailing must be quitehigh
> to them. As well, they have sent me an email (see below) encouraging meto
> order additional kits for other family members at no cost.type
> The collection kit kind of surprised me , since I was expecting a swab
> of implement to remove a sample from my mouth, but instead received a45
> containing containing a mouthwash, with which you have to gargle with for
> seconds and then spit the contents back into the collection bottle. Isthis
> a usual practice? I may be watching to many CSI shows.Molecular
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> We appreciate your contribution to this important and historical study �
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