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  • Philip Semanchuk
    Jul 14, 2014
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      On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Debbie Greenlee daveg@... [bukowsko_triangle] <bukowsko_triangle@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      > Dave and Philip,
      >
      > Surname spellings standardized in the late 1800s when Polish grammar
      > "settled-down." In the records you can track many surnames that
      > morphed through the years. Some surnames added diacriticals, others
      > added or deleted letters.
      >
      > I spotted something recently about two surnames from Nowotaniec.
      > Koczerski and Pałaszewski. I _think_ these changed to Koczera and
      > Pałas. I'm waiting to see if my theory holds up.
      >
      > Here are several surnames that changed:
      > Rzydka -> Zydka -> Żytka
      > Xenisak -> Kseniak
      > Gnat -> Hnat

      Isn’t the G ==> H sound a typical Polish/Ukrainian transition? e.g Drogobych vs. Drohobych, Gregori vs. Hrehori, etc.

      Thanks to all for the comments on surname development.


      Bye
      Philip


      > Kozma -> Koźma -> Kożma
      > Balwirczak -> Balwierczak
      > Jakuboski -> Jakubowski
      > Krzascz -> Hrząscz -> Chrząscz -> Chrząszcz
      >
      > Debbie
      >
      > DAVID davepacek@... [bukowsko_triangle] wrote:
      > > As I was going over those GC metrical books from Nowosielce over the
      > > past few weeks, the surname variant question was always in my mind. Some
      > > of the spelling variations I saw were no brainers, e.g. a family that
      > > was reported as 'Fil' in the earliest records, later modified to 'Fill',
      > > and then morphing back to 'Fil' again in the most recent records.
      > > Another family was initially more confusing to me, but the records
      > > clearly indicated that Woycik, Wyitik, Wiytik, Wydik, etc. were the same
      > > family. I'm going from memory here, so I'm sure I'll miss some, but I
      > > recall other combinations like Przbylo/Przbylski,
      > > Wegrzynik/Wegrzynowski, etc. That latter disappointed me, as I was
      > > really hoping to find an unambiguous tie to Frank's Wegrzyn family in
      > > Dlugie, but no luck on that yet. Likewise, I had no luck tying
      > > Nowosielce Tyrczyk and Twardon with Dlugie Burczyk and Twardy.
      > > Dave P
      > >
      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > *From: *"JKHouser84@... [bukowsko_triangle]"
      > > <bukowsko_triangle@yahoogroups.com>
      > > *To: *"bukowsko triangle" <bukowsko_triangle@yahoogroups.com>
      > > *Sent: *Monday, July 14, 2014 5:58:46 AM
      > > *Subject: *Re: [bukowsko_triangle] DNA Project>
      > >
      > > On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Justin Houser jkhouser84@...
      > > <mailto:jkhouser84@...> [bukowsko_triangle]
      > > <bukowsko_triangle@yahoogroups.com
      > > <mailto:bukowsko_triangle@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > > Y-DNA tests, although limited to looking at one line, can be very
      > > useful if you get a big enough population. In the work that is being
      > > done on some of my Swiss Anabaptist lines, who lived in rather
      > > remote valleys and where surnames were adopted in the 15th-16th
      > > centuries in most cases, Y-DNA testing has proven that two males who
      > > were progenitors of completely different surname lines actually
      > > shared a common male ancestor no further back than the 13th or 14th
      > > centuries. So those two families, although bearing different
      > > surnames, are indeed rather closely "related" in the grand scheme of
      > > things.
      > > >
      > > > For our people, many of whom did not have standardized surnames
      > > until the 18th or even 19th centuries in some cases,
      > >
      > > Hi Justin,
      > > Pardon me if I’ve asked this before, but do you have a reference for
      > > this? I’ve always wondered when (and why) surnames were adopted in the BT.
      > >
      > > Thanks
      > > Philip
      > >
      > >
      >
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