14507Re: [bukowsko_triangle] DNA Project
- Jul 14, 2014On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Debbie Greenlee daveg@... [bukowsko_triangle] <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Dave and Philip,Isn’t the G ==> H sound a typical Polish/Ukrainian transition? e.g Drogobych vs. Drohobych, Gregori vs. Hrehori, etc.
> Surname spellings standardized in the late 1800s when Polish grammar
> "settled-down." In the records you can track many surnames that
> morphed through the years. Some surnames added diacriticals, others
> added or deleted letters.
> I spotted something recently about two surnames from Nowotaniec.
> Koczerski and Pałaszewski. I _think_ these changed to Koczera and
> Pałas. I'm waiting to see if my theory holds up.
> Here are several surnames that changed:
> Rzydka -> Zydka -> Żytka
> Xenisak -> Kseniak
> Gnat -> Hnat
Thanks to all for the comments on surname development.
> Kozma -> Koźma -> Kożma
> Balwirczak -> Balwierczak
> Jakuboski -> Jakubowski
> Krzascz -> Hrząscz -> Chrząscz -> Chrząszcz
> DAVID davepacek@... [bukowsko_triangle] wrote:
> > As I was going over those GC metrical books from Nowosielce over the
> > past few weeks, the surname variant question was always in my mind. Some
> > of the spelling variations I saw were no brainers, e.g. a family that
> > was reported as 'Fil' in the earliest records, later modified to 'Fill',
> > and then morphing back to 'Fil' again in the most recent records.
> > Another family was initially more confusing to me, but the records
> > clearly indicated that Woycik, Wyitik, Wiytik, Wydik, etc. were the same
> > family. I'm going from memory here, so I'm sure I'll miss some, but I
> > recall other combinations like Przbylo/Przbylski,
> > Wegrzynik/Wegrzynowski, etc. That latter disappointed me, as I was
> > really hoping to find an unambiguous tie to Frank's Wegrzyn family in
> > Dlugie, but no luck on that yet. Likewise, I had no luck tying
> > Nowosielce Tyrczyk and Twardon with Dlugie Burczyk and Twardy.
> > Dave P
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > *From: *"JKHouser84@... [bukowsko_triangle]"
> > <email@example.com>
> > *To: *"bukowsko triangle" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > *Sent: *Monday, July 14, 2014 5:58:46 AM
> > *Subject: *Re: [bukowsko_triangle] DNA Project>
> > On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Justin Houser jkhouser84@...
> > <mailto:jkhouser84@...> [bukowsko_triangle]
> > <email@example.com
> > <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Y-DNA tests, although limited to looking at one line, can be very
> > useful if you get a big enough population. In the work that is being
> > done on some of my Swiss Anabaptist lines, who lived in rather
> > remote valleys and where surnames were adopted in the 15th-16th
> > centuries in most cases, Y-DNA testing has proven that two males who
> > were progenitors of completely different surname lines actually
> > shared a common male ancestor no further back than the 13th or 14th
> > centuries. So those two families, although bearing different
> > surnames, are indeed rather closely "related" in the grand scheme of
> > things.
> > >
> > > For our people, many of whom did not have standardized surnames
> > until the 18th or even 19th centuries in some cases,
> > Hi Justin,
> > Pardon me if I’ve asked this before, but do you have a reference for
> > this? I’ve always wondered when (and why) surnames were adopted in the BT.
> > Thanks
> > Philip
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