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13902Re: [bukowsko_triangle] DNA was phonebook for Sanok

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  • Susan Celotto
    Feb 25, 2014
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      Thanks for the link.  I knew that people had posted documents somewhere but had no idea how to get there.


      On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Debbie Greenlee <daveg@...> wrote:
      > Susan,
      > Thanks for the information. I was just curious as to how far all three
      > of you had gone on the DNA research. A few of us on the BT list have
      > also done YDNA and MtDNA testing.
      > I know Maciej Orzechowski. I met him in 2012.
      > Just FYI. Once he has exhausted the Przemyśl Diocesan Archives he will
      > probably go back to the individual parishes for more "recent" records
      > unless he's already done that.
      > Though we don't have Zarszyn, Długie or Sanok records, you might want
      > to search through the records that we have translated/indexed here:
      > http://semanchuk.com/gen/
      > I recall seeing the Węgrzyn surname somewhere in the Bukowsko and/or
      > Nowotaniec records. Make sure to check the Bukowsko Spis Parafialny
      > indexes as well.
      > good luck
      > Debbie
      > Susan Celotto wrote:
      > **
      >> Hi Debbie,
      >> You are correct that all three have Wegrzyn (and Twardy) in their
      >> family tree, however, Paul's DNA only matched Dave Pachek. Dave matched
      >> both Paul and Frank. Dave looked at how the DNA segments match for each
      >> of them and he strongly believes that he (Dave) and Paul probably match
      >> on the Twardy line.
      >> It is possible for two people to have the surname in their family
      >> tree but either have it so far back that the "family finder" test can't
      >> get enough to show the connection or the connection happened through
      >> marriage and not blood at some point in time.
      >> I do not know what level of testing that Dave and Frank did, but
      >> their matches showed up in the family finder test. Paul did the full
      >> genome testing at the highest level. He doesn't have any matches at all
      >> on his direct male line (Y-DNA) or his direct maternal line (MtDNA).
      >> Twardy & Wegrzyn are not through either of Paul's direct line. Here is
      >> Paul's line:
      >> - *_Paul Celotto_*
      >> *__*
      >> - *_Albert Celotto_* (& Elsie Wason)
      >> - Raffaele Celotto & *_Albina Twardy_*
      >> *__*
      >> - *_Joseph Twardy_* & *_Francesca Wezegryn_*
      >> Besides knowing that Albina was born in Poland (and knowing her
      >> parent's names), we do not know what town she was born in (only
      >> somewhere in Galicia in 1888) and we have no information about lateral
      >> lines at this point. This is why we have hired a researcher. I have
      >> not looked at either Dave or Frank's family tree or how extensive they
      >> have looked into their lateral lines because we do not have any
      >> information to compare with them yet.
      >> The researcher we are using is Maciej Orchinowski and he will be
      >> starting in the Prymzyl Catholic Archives (spelling isn't right on the
      >> researcher name but I can look it up if you need it).
      >> Susan
      >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Debbie Greenlee <daveg@...
      >> <mailto:daveg@...>> wrote:
      >> __
      >> Susan,
      >> Something you wrote indicates that a DNA match did not appear between
      >> Paul, your husband, Dave Pacek and Frank Wegerson yet all three have
      >> W�grzyn in their ancestry. Is this correct?
      >> Did all three do the same level of testing?
      >> Do all three have the surname W�grzyn in a direct male ancestral line?
      >> Have all three done the "paperwork" to the same depth and included the
      >> same lateral lines?
      >> Is Twardy a direct male ancestral line for Paul, Dave and Frank?
      >> (I see that Paul's Twardy line goes through a female line)
      >> Who is the researcher you are using and exactly where are they doing
      >> the research?
      >> Thanks
      >> Debbie
      >> Susan Celotto wrote:
      >> >
      >> > Thanks Penny! I have been in contact with both Dave and Frank. My
      >> > husband, Paul, is the one with the Polish ancestry and I am
      >> working to
      >> > trace his tree. He took the Family Tree DNA test and matched Dave
      >> Pacek
      >> > but not Frank Wegerson. Dave took a look at all three matches
      >> > (his, Frank's, and Paul's) and thinks that he (Dave) and Paul
      >> must be
      >> > related on the Twardy side and not the Wegrzyn side. Have you
      >> taken the
      >> > Family Tree DNA test yet? If so, I will look to see if you and my
      >> > husband match.
      >> >
      >> > My husband's grandmother was Albina Twardy and her parents were
      >> Joseph
      >> > Twardy and Franciszka Wegrzynowska. She died at the age of 35 (in
      >> 1905)
      >> > and her death certificate lists her parents as Matthew
      >> Wegrzynowski and
      >> > Catherine Pitchloga -- so, our two Franciszka Wegrzyn's are not
      >> the same
      >> > person but I'm sure that they are related somehow since the town
      >> is so
      >> > small.
      >> >
      >> > I have a researcher in Poland who will be starting work in the
      >> Catholic
      >> > Archives next week. I will post whatever he finds so that others can
      >> > take a look to see if they recognize any of their own family members.
      >> >
      >> > Susan
      >> >
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