13902Re: [bukowsko_triangle] DNA was phonebook for Sanok
- Feb 25, 2014Thanks for the link. I knew that people had posted documents somewhere but had no idea how to get there.
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, Debbie Greenlee <daveg@...> wrote:
> Thanks for the information. I was just curious as to how far all three
> of you had gone on the DNA research. A few of us on the BT list have
> also done YDNA and MtDNA testing.
> I know Maciej Orzechowski. I met him in 2012.
> Just FYI. Once he has exhausted the Przemyśl Diocesan Archives he will
> probably go back to the individual parishes for more "recent" records
> unless he's already done that.
> Though we don't have Zarszyn, Długie or Sanok records, you might want
> to search through the records that we have translated/indexed here:
> I recall seeing the Węgrzyn surname somewhere in the Bukowsko and/or
> Nowotaniec records. Make sure to check the Bukowsko Spis Parafialny
> indexes as well.
> good luck
> Susan Celotto wrote:
>> Hi Debbie,
>> You are correct that all three have Wegrzyn (and Twardy) in their
>> family tree, however, Paul's DNA only matched Dave Pachek. Dave matched
>> both Paul and Frank. Dave looked at how the DNA segments match for each
>> of them and he strongly believes that he (Dave) and Paul probably match
>> on the Twardy line.
>> It is possible for two people to have the surname in their family
>> tree but either have it so far back that the "family finder" test can't
>> get enough to show the connection or the connection happened through
>> marriage and not blood at some point in time.
>> I do not know what level of testing that Dave and Frank did, but
>> their matches showed up in the family finder test. Paul did the full
>> genome testing at the highest level. He doesn't have any matches at all
>> on his direct male line (Y-DNA) or his direct maternal line (MtDNA).
>> Twardy & Wegrzyn are not through either of Paul's direct line. Here is
>> Paul's line:
>> - *_Paul Celotto_*
>> - *_Albert Celotto_* (& Elsie Wason)
>> - Raffaele Celotto & *_Albina Twardy_*
>> - *_Joseph Twardy_* & *_Francesca Wezegryn_*
>> Besides knowing that Albina was born in Poland (and knowing her
>> parent's names), we do not know what town she was born in (only
>> somewhere in Galicia in 1888) and we have no information about lateral
>> lines at this point. This is why we have hired a researcher. I have
>> not looked at either Dave or Frank's family tree or how extensive they
>> have looked into their lateral lines because we do not have any
>> information to compare with them yet.
>> The researcher we are using is Maciej Orchinowski and he will be
>> starting in the Prymzyl Catholic Archives (spelling isn't right on the
>> researcher name but I can look it up if you need it).
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Debbie Greenlee <daveg@...
>> <mailto:daveg@...>> wrote:
>> Something you wrote indicates that a DNA match did not appear between
>> Paul, your husband, Dave Pacek and Frank Wegerson yet all three have
>> W�grzyn in their ancestry. Is this correct?
>> Did all three do the same level of testing?
>> Do all three have the surname W�grzyn in a direct male ancestral line?
>> Have all three done the "paperwork" to the same depth and included the
>> same lateral lines?
>> Is Twardy a direct male ancestral line for Paul, Dave and Frank?
>> (I see that Paul's Twardy line goes through a female line)
>> Who is the researcher you are using and exactly where are they doing
>> the research?
>> Susan Celotto wrote:
>> > Thanks Penny! I have been in contact with both Dave and Frank. My
>> > husband, Paul, is the one with the Polish ancestry and I am
>> working to
>> > trace his tree. He took the Family Tree DNA test and matched Dave
>> > but not Frank Wegerson. Dave took a look at all three matches
>> > (his, Frank's, and Paul's) and thinks that he (Dave) and Paul
>> must be
>> > related on the Twardy side and not the Wegrzyn side. Have you
>> taken the
>> > Family Tree DNA test yet? If so, I will look to see if you and my
>> > husband match.
>> > My husband's grandmother was Albina Twardy and her parents were
>> > Twardy and Franciszka Wegrzynowska. She died at the age of 35 (in
>> > and her death certificate lists her parents as Matthew
>> Wegrzynowski and
>> > Catherine Pitchloga -- so, our two Franciszka Wegrzyn's are not
>> the same
>> > person but I'm sure that they are related somehow since the town
>> is so
>> > small.
>> > I have a researcher in Poland who will be starting work in the
>> > Archives next week. I will post whatever he finds so that others can
>> > take a look to see if they recognize any of their own family members.
>> > Susan
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