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    Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories
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      Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
      ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
      sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
      useful info was spread )

      Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
      due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
      profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
      Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind


      Hi Buff,

      OK, my curiosity finally impels me to ask: just what are the
      circulations of your various 'zines,
      especially the Clean & Adult Chips and the Scuttlebutt?
      I have a funny feeling that the numbers are pret-ty big....

      John R.
      Whitefish Bay WI

      About 50,000 people receive the Scuttlebutt each day which is also
      the readership of the chips or about 30,000 adult and 20,000 clean
      chip readers and our other ezines reach 15,000 a day. Kinda explains the
      different views and diversity of religions and nationalities. We are a slice
      of the world.

      ~~~~~

      In the past few days there has been a lot of discussion about religion. I
      want to answer one point made by Don of Niagara Falls. He says: "The Koran
      does honor Jesus as a Prophet. And, Allah as God, the same God as you
      worship, and the Jews worship. Each it their own way."

      Many say that Jesus was a good man, a wise man, and even a prophet - yet
      they don't believe in him. There is something very serious here to
      consider. If this Jesus is acknowledged by most as being a good man, and by
      many as being a prophet, then those same people who make these
      acknowledgements will have to either refute his sayings or call Jesus a
      liar. How can someone be a prophet and a liar too? Jesus said that he was
      sent to give his life as an atonement for the sins of mankind, and that it
      is only through this atonement that man can be redeemed. He said "I am THE
      WAY, THE truth, and THE life, no one comes to the Father except BY ME.
      (John 14:6)

      In other words, you can't get there any other way. That's what he said.
      So either this prophet is a true prophet, or he's a liar.

      If his words are lies, then you and I have lost nothing. But if he is
      saying the truth, then the consequences of having heard his gospel and
      rejecting his claims - are ominous. If his words are true, then nothing in
      life can be more important than coming to know and receive him.
      -Paula

      ~~~~~~

      Buff, I was gonna send ya somethin damned important, but over 25 seconds
      went by, & now I've forgotten what it was....

      Maybe next week......

      BanderaJim

      ~~~~~

      Joke from a friend

      Company Employees:


      Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than
      500 employees and has the following statistics:

      * 29 have been accused of spousal abuse
      * 7 have been arrested for fraud
      * 19 have been accused of writing bad checks
      * 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
      * 3 have done time for assault
      * 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
      * 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
      * 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
      * 21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
      * 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year Can you guess
      which organization this is? Give up yet?

      It's the 535 members of the United States Congress. The same group of
      idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the
      rest of us in line.
      Patricia

      buffalo says I wonder ifwe have improved since this was written in the 90's

      ~~~~~~

      Hi Buff, May I ramble on about a couple of topics?
      "The Rat": This poem made me cry! I was almost to that point as a kid but, I
      couldn't find the rat poison. Anyway if I did, my father's family would have
      said good for her, she deserved it because she was stupid.
      As I was about to enter college my father's sister said to me, why are you
      wasting your father's money you will end up quitting. So I did. Stupid
      right? My parents were alcoholics but, you know what I turned out to be a
      good person, a bit stupid though, because I married an alcoholic, but that
      is another story.

      Peri, I would do the same for my sons because my father served in WW11 & he
      came back mentally damaged. When he got drunk he relived the war. It was
      scary. Plus he decided our household was to be run like the military, #1
      rule was I had to eat every morsel on my plate even if it made me gag. I
      HATE lima beans! & I weigh 290 lbs on a 5'2" frame. I'm sure some of you
      will have something to say about this but, you must remember I'm stupid.

      Religion: I can't understand why people just can't let other people believe
      in whatever religion they want. I am Catholic, I believe in Jesus Christ but
      that's me. I never go to my church, but once a month I attend a meeting for
      women only at a Baptist church.I love it, the people are warm & friendly but
      never try to get you join their church, they spread the word of God with no
      strings attached. I have attended functions in a few other denominations &
      not one ever told me to go kill people who believed in something else.

      Tis the time to vote: I vote every year but, this year the candidates are
      doozies. I get tons of election info in the mail daily (what a waste of
      paper, thus trees) but the candidates just bash each other & I still don't
      know where they stand on the issues. I guess I'll know who I'm voting for
      when I get in the booth & push the buttons.

      I also agree with what Stuart James & Mawachpo had to say. barbjare nj


      ~~~~~~~

      For BJ Cassady, Here's a(strictly platonic)hug and a kiss for your troubles.
      Glad all your running apparatus is in working order. Gotta get you another
      good dog, BJ.

      I truly enjoy the letters you write and am looking forward to your practical
      jokes. have someof my own to share.

      Sarah



      Christmas is weird. What other time of the year do you sit in front of a
      dead tree and eat candy out of your socks? .

      ~~~~~~

      *****Until then I will be looking for a good woman,,,,
      unless I find one that is bad.....heh heh.

      BJ Cassady
      Guthrie, Oklahoma
      **** To all good women in your area, I say when they see you "run like hell"
      you don't seem to bring good luck to the women in your life. After knowing a
      man whose first two wives died and within 3 months he was looking for
      another; he was the "kiss of death"; why be the third?
      Marge

      ~~~~~~~

      Hi Buffalo,
      This is for ab. It is easy to know when common is used in a vulgar or base
      way. When it is used that way you will hear s.o.b. somewhere in the
      sentence. I have been called this many times so I am an expert on the
      subject. David Moore

      ~~~~~~~~

      For B.J. Cassady--mmmmmm looking for a good woman, are you? How old are you
      B.J.? Patricia B.

      ~~~~~~~

      Dear Buffalo,
      With all this talk about religion the last few days.....I am reminded
      of a great joke.......A Jewish man Dies & goes to Heaven where he is greeted
      by St. Peter and given a tour of the facilities! As they are walking around,
      the man notices several large groups of people standing around and inquires
      about them. St. Peter replies..."Well, over there we have the Muslims...and
      that group there are the Buddhists, and there we have the Jews, and there we
      have the Catholics.....and so forth." As they continued the tour, they came
      to a huge stone wall...higher and wider than the eye could see. St. Peter
      turns to the man and says, "You are allowed to go anywhere in Heaven EXCEPT
      beyond this wall. You must never cross over this wall at any time!" The man
      asks "Why?" St. Peter explains, "Well beyond this wall is where we keep the
      Christians and they think they are the only ones up here" Thanks! LKW

      buffalo says I always heard it with Catholics in it as the group that
      thought they were alone.

      ~~~~~~

      Nigeria Promises to Block Stoning Executions

      The Miami Herald



      Oct. 22--Nigeria vowed Tuesday to block Islamic courts from carrying out any
      executions by stoning, promising to hold the line against sentences in
      northern states that have provoked international protests and boycott
      threats. The assurance by Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dubem Onyia
      represents the government's sharpest statement yet on Islamic court, or
      sharia, rulings condemning at least four people to stoning for adultery or
      rape. ''Nobody will ever be stoned as a result of sharia law. Nobody,''
      Onyia said.He spoke at a news conference on Nigeria's preparations for the
      Miss World pageant, which faces a boycott by a growing number of contestants
      over the stoning sentence handed a Nigerian woman in March.
      An Islamic court in northern Nigeria condemned Amina Lawal, a 31-year-old
      single mother, for having sex outside marriage. A high court rejected
      Lawal's appeal in August. She has gone into hiding while awaiting a second
      appeal. ''There is no way the federal courts can sustain that judgment,''
      Onyia said. He said he spoke as "a member of Cabinet."

      Onyia said the government would not force Islamic court systems in a dozen
      predominantly Muslim northern states to change their laws. Instead, he said,
      the cases would be overturned individually in appeals before federal courts.


      Kitten

      ~~~~~~~~~

      <<<<There are some things for which it is worthwhile to become a
      criminal. For my son, though, I know I would be willing to sit in
      prison for many years to prevent his becoming cannon fodder.
      Peri L. Dwyer, D.C.>>>>

      Hey Shipmate, All I can say is I'm so happy that my Mother was a
      good citizen, who supported her husband, my Dad, when he went to
      Germany during WW II with the 95th Infantry Division, and later
      supported me when I enlisted as a Navy medic (Hospital Corpsman)
      in 1968. Protecting your children by becoming a criminal is not
      in my definition of a good citizen. Neither is enjoying freedom,
      but abstaining from paying the cost of that freedom. Before going
      to WESTPAC with the 3rd Marine Division, I worked at the Naval
      Hospital, Great Lakes, Illinois. I had a patient that was injured
      while home on leave before leaving for Viet Nam. He was laying on
      the couch watching TV when his Mother came up from behind and shot him
      in the foot with a .22 rifle. Her plan worked. The shattered bones
      in his foot kept him from completing his orders, but the follow on
      depression he suffered was worse. Most of my patients were wounded
      in Nam, and he couldn't even look them in the eye, let alone talk with
      them. I can't imagine the weight of the shame he felt. I'm thankful
      that when I felt old enough to let go of the apron strings, that my Mom
      cut the umbilical cord, too. Being a Momma's Boy, or hiding behind a
      mother's skirt is not how true warriors who defend their country are
      raised. Thanks Mom, R.I.P. Best regards, Uncle George LCDR, USN(Ret)

      ps I like sailors, men from all parts of the land, farms of the Midwest,
      small towns of New England, from the cities, the mountains and the
      prairies, from all walks of life. I trust and depend on them as they
      trust and depend on me - for professional competence, for comradeship,
      for courage. In a word, they are "Shipmates."

      ~~~~~~


      "Bill, have we gotten to the point that we now make a mockery of hundreds of
      people dying? I read with disbelief the letter in Wednesday's chips
      "Regards, Al Key Hada, and Al Key Hada Jr for 'Ole Sam Ben Laden

      B.J. Cassady"

      I used to respect the man, and agreed with a lot of what he wrote, but now I
      am rethinking that...
      Did I miss something?"

      Chris Barry

      Chris, if I offended you, I am truly sorry. This whole thing just came to
      my
      head and I thought it funny.
      Lord knows we need laughs at this time. I used to work in the air force
      with
      guys whose names were,
      for real, James Stewart, John Wayne and Charles Manson. You can guess the
      jokes that bounced around
      the deptartment. I heard a comic state, I think it was the actor that
      played
      Sgt Bilko on TV, most jokes
      make fun of someone, or something. Jokes are a way to relieve stress. I
      have
      seizures and am a disabled
      vet, but I made up a joke with a co-worker (who had a heart problem).
      A visual, we worked the graveyard shift, and imagined the next crew coming
      to
      work after, my co-worker
      had a heart attack and while working on him, I had a seizure. The crew
      comes
      in to see me on top of him
      shaking and such. We both laughed at the possibility. Not everything I
      write
      will appeal to everyone.
      I write what is in my empty head with no intention of harming anyone.


      B.J. Cassady

      buffalo says it is ironic that the federal agencies ignored the movements
      and rumors of a terrorist attack and then afterward set out on a witch hunt
      shaking down medal of honor winnners , congressman , breast feeding mothers
      and babies diapers. I found it to be corny but not offensive.
      Satire is a form used by Americans from Ben Franklin on up to
      bring light to the problems of society.

      ~~~~~

      Bill, Do we have a right to disobey some laws? In my
      opinion the obvious answer is yes. Not all laws are
      truly proper. This becomes obvious with some of the
      crazy "blue" laws that are frequently published to
      show just how much of an ass the law is.
      Gambling is against the law in many states, even
      states that have both lotteries and casinos. I find
      that to be a law that does not have to be obeyed as
      long as the money involved does not deny the family
      necessities.
      Art
      ~~~~

      Keep type in bold others are hard to read for some of us out here. Keep up
      the good letters we enjoy them alt. thanks. RENGOLDEN

      ~~~~~

      Chris...you seriously need to develop a sense of humour before you drive
      yourself insane. I laughed my ass off at B J Cassady's story because it
      points out the ridiculous lengths to which the government is going...it is a
      commentary on the mindset that says an old lady with knitting needles cannot
      board a plane.
      Lighten up. The eminent Mr. Cassady has brought this list more enlightenment
      and laughter than anyone else...whenever he writes it is always worth
      reading.
      ...and to Jim McQuain
      the Wiccan Rede (or only inviolable commandment) states do an (what) ye will
      but do no harm...it celebrates the Creators great gift to us of free will
      and freedom of choice...you are a wise man
      ..and to avonlea...
      I won't respond because arguing with a closed mind is like pissing when you
      are facing the wrong way in a wind tunnel. I hope you have a blessed life.

      Mojo

      ~~~~~

      J. Moore,
      J is a pretty sharp cookie. Thompson Contender is the correct answer.
      None of my firearms were purchased for the express purpose of home
      protection, they were purchased and are used primarily for hunting. I think
      my weapon of choice for home protection is the 12 Gauge pump with a 00 Buck
      load. The Thompson Contender I bought for my dad to carry Deer Hunting. He
      is 84 this year and I wanted to relieve him of the burden of carrying a
      shotgun. I've always been tempted to get the 30.06 barrel for it. :-)

      Leo

      ~~~~~~~

      Teens; How and why does everyone try to blame everything on the teens??
      These teens are only doing what they have been told was O.K.
      Lets face facts; it started with mommy and/or daddy going to school
      and telling the principal, dean or teacher "My johnny/susie or whoever could
      not ever do anything like that even though they were caught in the act"
      Smoking gun syndrome..So no dicipline there.Then along comes Dr.Spock and he
      tells you "you must not spank" it will hurt their ego..Then the bleeding
      heart goody two shoes come along and say you cannot dicipline your child for
      anything, so now the courts decide that you are not a fit parent to
      dicipline your child and calls any type of dicipline child abuse...So get
      off the teens back and put the responsibility for the problem where it
      belongs back in the fifties when parents abdicated their responsibilities
      and let the schools and the courts take parenting out of their hands.
      Being an old fasioned parent, yes I spanked my children, I would
      never bring a child into this world where I do not have full and complete
      charge of them....When its considered child abuse to ground your child or
      when any type of dicipline is against the law then I do not want any part of
      it.
      To all teens who might read this, i'm all for you each and every
      one,you have a hard time ahead of you but you can overcome it..

      richpsr

      ~~~~~~

      Hello Buffalo,
      I was just reading your comments about the "return to the roots of rock and
      roll". While I agree that in most cases it's wonderful to see the many bands
      from the classic rock age still touring and going strong, I just had to
      write to tell you that you've (I'm sure unintentionally) added a decade plus
      to the age of Graeme Edge, The Moody Blues drummer.
      Graeme is a young 61 and still going strong!

      A devoted fan of The Moody Blues.... and the Buffalo

      Dee

      buffalo says bad info from radio program My wife is almost that old and
      sings four hours a day

      ~~~~~~~

      Deb W

      First of all, I agree completely with your analogy. Books, movies, music or
      television don't cause heinous crimes, any more than matches cause arson or
      axes and chainsaws cause deforestation. After working in a county jail for
      nigh on 18 years, I've dealt with offenders ranging from capital murderers
      to hot check writers. Most of the misdemeanor violators, not all, I do not
      include those involved in family violence, are in jail because of bad
      judgment or carelessness. Some felons fall into the same category. But
      violent felons tend to have some deep underlying problems that have nothing
      to do with the various media. Could some of these felons have been stopped
      had there been some sort of intervention at an earlier point in their life?
      Possibly, possably not. My "favorite" example along this line of thought is
      Charles Manson. While I have yet to meet him personally, I have researched
      his "case" quite extensively. I don't think any intervention in his early
      years could have prevented the eventual outcome. On the other hand, Charles
      Witman, the "Texas Tower Sniper" of the mid 1960's had a medical problem,
      i.e. his brain tumor, had it been caught in time, could have prevented the
      incident at the University of Texas. Psychiatry, criminology, penology and
      crime prevention has a long way to go.
      Now, to Deb personally, I am impressed that you actually know not only who
      Ed Gein is, but why he fits the category. (For those who don't know, Gein
      was a serial killer, grave robber, necrophilia in the American mid-west in
      the 1950's. He was also the "inspiration" for Leather face in the movie "The
      Texas Chainsaw Massacre". And no, he wasn't from Texas.)
      I ranted a little more than I originally intended to, but then, that's what
      Scuttlebutt is for, no?

      Jay "The Shadow"
      Lubbock, Tx

      ~~~~~~

      Hi Buffalo,
      The following came from e-mail with no credits.
      J. Moore

      GOD BLESS AMERICA!
      There are a few things that those who have
      recently come to our country, and apparently some native Americans, need to
      understand.

      First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually
      try not to offend you in any way. This idea of America being
      a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our
      national identity.

      As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society,
      our own language, and our own lifestyle. This culture,
      called the "American Way" has been developed over
      centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions
      of men and women who have sought freedom.

      Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker Hill, San
      Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam...

      We speak English, not
      Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or
      any other language.

      Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society --
      learn our language!"

      "In God We Trust" is our national motto.
      This is not some off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan -- it
      is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of
      Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on
      our currency. We adopted this motto because Christian men
      and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation
      and this is clearly documented throughout our history.

      If it is appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the halls
      of our highest level of Government, then it is certainly appropriate to
      display it on the walls of our schools.


      God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every
      patriotic song, and in our founding documents. We honor
      His birth, death, and resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer
      in times of crisis. If God offends you, then I
      suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God
      is part of our culture and we are proud
      to have Him.

      We are proud of our heritage and those who have so
      honorably defended our freedoms. We celebrate
      Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day,
      and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and
      barbecues where we proudly wave our flag.

      As an American, I have the right to wave my flag, sing my
      national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my pledge whenever and
      wherever I choose.

      If the Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like
      Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider
      a move to another part of this planet.

      The American culture is our way of life,
      our heritage,
      and we are proud of it.

      We are happy with our culture and have no desire
      to change, and we really don't care how you did things
      where you came from. Like it or not, this is our country,
      our land, and our lifestyle.

      Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express
      his opinion about our government, culture, or society,
      and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once
      you are done complaining, whining, and griping about
      our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life,
      I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom:

      THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!

      Another thing: To those who do complain about the usage of words like 'God'
      and 'American' and speaking the language of our great nation, TRY GOING TO
      ANOTHER COUNTRY AND SPEAK AGAINST WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE. YOU WILL MORE
      THAN LIKELY END UP JAILED OR EVEN KILLED.

      In America, you take your right to complain for granted.

      The more patriotism that is removed from where our children
      are taught, the less our children will learn about what it is
      to be an American and our nation's spirit will slowly be killed.

      ~~~~~

      This was sent to me by a friend. Read & heed!



      If you haven't already picked up the warnings, be cautious. This isn't a
      joke:

      INTERNET USERS WHO receive an e-card in the next few weeks might want to
      think twice before opening it. A new kind of e-card, which requires
      installation of spam-generating software called Cytron, is making its way
      around the Internet. If you try to view a Cytron enabled e-card, you are
      likely to pester friends, family, and co-workers with e-mail and
      inadvertently send them toward porn Web sites.
      The Cytron e-card arrives with a harmless-sounding, personalized subject
      line: "(Recipient) you have an e-card from (sender)."
      The message includes another personalized greeting, "(Recipient) I sent you
      a greeting card. Please pick it up."
      Then there is a simple link to Friendgreetings.com, which might sound like a
      normal electronic greeting card Web site.
      But users who click on the link and agree to install Cytron find their
      computer is hijacked and used to send out similar greeting card e-mails to
      everyone in the recipient's Outlook address book. Later, they are treated to
      a small deluge of pop-up ads for porn sites.


      from: http://msnbc.com/news/826033.asp?0cl=cR


      ~~~~~~~

      Good Afternoon Buffalo

      Mryddin (Mystic wizard of the web) says:

      When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty.

      Jim Mc Quain


      ~~~~~

      Tribute To My Mother From Suegram
      I believe by now you all know that my mother, who had been ill with cancer,
      left his world on October 21st. She was in my home for only four days,
      under
      Hospice care. I had the privilege of caring for her in those last days,
      with
      the help of my sister, brother-in-law, and my daughter. She was far sicker
      than anyone realized, and she suffered so. In the end, however, she passed
      peacefully. I am grateful for that. I had hoped to have several weeks with
      her, but God had other plans.

      Anyway, my sweet and precious friend, Francine Pucillo, made a beautiful
      tribute page in honor of my mother, and I would like to share that with you
      now.

      For those of you who have written to me expressing your condolences and your
      concerns, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. God bless you all!

      Sue

      And here is Francine's page:

      <A HREF="http://poetry-emotion.com/Treasured_Emotions/Etheline_Allis.html">
      Treasured Emotions by Francine</A>
      http://poetry-emotion.com/Treasured_Emotions/Etheline_Allis.html


      ~~~~~~


      Mr. Jmes:

      If I were not so old and you were not so far away I would track you down and
      marry you - you make such good sense. On the other hand, you have already
      demonstrated your good sense.

      Does anybody know, which came first, the Tower of Babel, or the Bible. If
      the Tower of Babel, how come the Bible was not written in English. When and
      how did we blue-eyed's decide we know what God is, what He Meant, if He is a
      She'. And as someone said in Scuttlebutt some time ago, He named Adam and
      Eve - every other label, man created.

      bj

      ref:
      . ...the recent 'debate' about Islam vs. Rest Of The World (as it seems to
      be presented) has stirred me to write after being a (quiet) subscriber for
      just over 18 months...

      I'm a Brit (Church of England 'by default') who has lived and worked in
      Istanbul since '94. For those who don't know, Turkey is actually a secular
      country - but about 95% of the population are Muslim. I choose to live here
      not for any religious reasons but because I like the place, and the people.
      I also (now) speak fluent Turkish and fully understand the 'way of life'
      here - although this doesn't necessarily mean I 'agree' with everything of
      course.

      Blue-eyed people are NOT more likely to be mass-murderers. Nor are
      'Muslims'. The problem is not one of religion (or eye colour) but of
      fanaticism. There have been plenty of (idiot) fanatics in every country in
      the world including America. There are lots of 'Christians' who kill other
      'Christians' and there are lots of 'Muslims' who kill other 'Muslims'. For
      various reasons, America is in a 'prime position' throughout the world and
      when you are at 'the top of the pile' you (unfortunately) become a target.
      The same is true for Microsoft, any incumbent president etc. etc.

      I have as much hatred of terrorism as anyone else, but Muslim-bashing isn't
      the solution; terrorism-bashing is. And terrorists (unfortunately) come in
      many shapes and sizes and declared religious affiliation is not a good
      indicator. For a start there is ETA & IRA...

      Oh, and there's no more prejudice against women here (in Istanbul) than in
      any 'western' society (heck - there even used to be a woman prime
      minister!!)

      But I absolutely agree that death-by-stoning is an outdated practice that
      should be stopped. There used to be lots of revolting things done 'in the
      name of Christianity' but thankfully most of them stopped centuries ago. But
      when America was an 'undeveloped country' there were also some barbaric
      practices performed - and it is up to 'all the world' to help these (less
      developed) countries 'develop' and move on. Yes - most people in these
      countries really do want to live in a 'more civilised' society.
      Unfortunately not all the 'leaders' would themselves benefit from change,
      and that's why it maybe isn't changing as fast as it can/should - but heck
      that's true in *all* countries ;-)

      As for Iraq - there is nothing 'wrong' with *most* of the Iraqi people but
      yes, Saddam should be tried in absentia by a UN court and sentenced to
      something pretty nasty. There is no more death penalty in Turkey but maybe
      he could be sent to Texas for a 'holiday'...??

      Stuart James / Istanbul

      bj

      ~~~~~

      Religion has nothing to do with spirituality. Spirituality has to do with
      what you feel
      in your heart. What you feel is right or wrong. It has to do with love,
      and finding peace and harmony in your life. Religion has mostly to do with
      dogma, superstition, power, and money, along with expanding the membership
      of your particular club.


      Well, based on what you say, underlined above, your club sounds all right to
      me.

      bj

      ~~~~

      Lane from Miami
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      your comments. Keep them coming

      Sue Douglas

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      Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories
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        Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
        ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
        sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
        useful info was spread )

        Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
        due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
        profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
        Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind








        You might want to pass this on to your subscribers. It only takes a
        minute, doesn't cost anything and it's a good cause. I really enjoy your
        links. Thanks a lot.

        Micky

        Even if you hate football, this is a easy way to help feed the
        hungry.
        Follow the instructions below. It is that simple. Please pass
        it on.

        All you need to do is click on the link below (takes you to the
        Cambells
        Chuncky soup page) and click on the helmet of the team you like the
        best(of
        course I picked the Chiefs). Campbell's is donating a can of soup
        (up to
        5
        million) to area food banks just by clicking on a helmet at their
        website.
        It's quick, easy and can be done once a day.

        http://www.chunky.com/click_for_cans.asp
        <http://www.chunky.com/click_for_cans.asp>

        ~~~~~~~~~

        To richpsr,
        I just see spanking as continuing violence. You know, your parents taught
        you how to do it and then you teach it to your own kids. Try stopping the
        cycle! There are lots of ways to discipline kids without spanking them and
        other ways work without teaching violence. I was spanked a few times as a
        child but my kids have never been spanked. They were disciplined but never
        spanked. The results: my son is 24, graduated college as a Civil Engineer
        and is working at his career. My 21 year old daughter graduates college
        next
        year and will be an elementary school teacher in Charleston, NC. Both are
        wonderful young people with excellent values and morals that were taught to
        them but not spanked into them. Even if you do not agree with me, I highly
        recommend this approach as I know it works.
        Future King of Ohio


        ~~~~~~~

        Hey Buffalo,

        I hope you don't mind me using your scuttlebutt for this open letter to Pat
        Buchanan as I do not know how to contact him, and maybe one of the herd does
        have a way. If so, please post an e-mail address for him and I will send
        this diatribe to him as well. Please feel free to edit if you wish.
        Thanks, farmboy.



        Dear Loud-mouthed Idiot:

        In regards to your cable program on Thursday and your insults to Canadians
        in said program, as well as your failure, no your refusal, to apologize on
        Friday, please be advised, that they were heard and not appreciated by at
        least one Canadian.
        This also shows your small, closed-minded attitude, which is a black mark on
        the book of all that is good in the USA


        1. We are not nor have we ever been known as "Soviet Canuckistan".

        This sounds like you are calling us communists which we most definitely are
        not!!!

        2. Freeloaders?

        Where do you get off on that one? Canada is as much able to stand on its own
        as you are and does not, nor ever has freeloaded off the USA.

        3. Second-rate country?

        We are NOT a second-rate country. We are one of the best places to live and
        work in the world.

        4. Poor neighbors?

        Canada has been since many years before you were born, and will continue to
        be for many years after you are gone, a good neighbor to the USA. Did you
        already forget how many emergency personnel we sent to New York after 9-11?
        Also did you not hear of the thousands of Canadians who lined up to donate
        blood and/or money for that same tragedy? None of this was requested by the
        USA nor I'm sure was it expected, but because we ARE good neighbors we
        stepped up to the plate and offered the assistance that I'm sure most
        Americans appreciated even if you don't.


        It is people with your attitude that give the USA a bad name, and I for one
        am proud to be a Canadian, but I am also proud to number among my friends
        many good Americans. It is also people like you with "God-complexes" that
        caused Canada back in the late 1950's to give up on a project that would
        have guaranteed us with a superior aircraft that would still be so far ahead
        of anything that the USA has built today, save the space shuttle (which by
        the way has some Canadian technology on board).

        Also if it were within my power you would not be welcomed in Canada. You
        would be met by armed military forces at the Canadian border or any terminal
        where you landed and escorted back across the international boundary and
        informed that you would be better off staying on your side.

        Buffalo says I am sorry I cannot apologize for the actions of Mr.
        Buchanan. To do so would infer that I agreed with his comments at
        some point in time. I hold Pat in the same high regard I hold the bite
        on my butt.

        ~~~~~~

        Leo, Leo, Do you dislike your poor ol' Pa? I shoot many 'clabbers' in MY
        T/C & I don't know where you are hunting, so I cannot suggest a caliber, but
        for an 84 Y/O fellow , I can say 30/06 in a hand-gun is maybe not it?

        BanderaJim

        ~~~~~

        Art's comments about laws..righteous/otherwise

        Bill, Do we have a right to disobey some laws?

        Well, maybeso, maybeno...What we DO have is the right of jury nullification;
        If the jury does not believe that the law(s) on which a (trial/conviction)
        is/are based are just, they can simply vote to overturn (negate) it. The
        same applies to the Judge's instruction at law; don't have to follow it. In
        this way, we (very damn gradually.......) get rid of bad laws.

        Only 3 of Eleventeen Bajillion US citizens are aware of this,
        though.........

        The jury in the good old US of A is the ultimate arbiter of what we call
        justice; it's just a God-Damned shame that when the lawyers get through
        picking the jury, so many that are left are feebs...... (I know, I know, go
        ahead, jump on me with all 5 hooves)!


        BanderaJim

        ~~~~~

        Subject: Fwd: Charlie Daniels

        Whether or not you're a country music fan, thought you'd be interested in
        the comments Charlie Daniels has made regarding the recent court decision on
        the Pledge of Allegiance.

        Black Wednesday? by Charlie Daniels It seems that one atheist has convinced
        a couple of judges in California to declare the Pledge of Allegiance
        unconstitutional. He says that he is offended that his daughter has to be
        exposed to the words "one nation under God." He says that if we said "under
        Buddha" or something similar that it would offend the Christian element in
        this country. He says that the phrase "In God We Trust" should be taken off
        our money. He says that he doesn't believe in God and that God has no place
        in American official life. Well, let me tell you something your poor
        misguided fool, less than one-second into eternity you will find out about
        the God you so vehemently deny the existence of. You pinheaded numbskull,
        do you think that your puny attempts to eradicate God from American life
        will succeed? Not as long as there is breath in my body. I will say under
        God when I say the pledge no matter how many idiotic judges say I can't and
        if I had a child in your school district I would insist that he did too. I
        feel sorry for your daughter. Poor child.
        This country was not founded nor even discovered for that matter by
        Buddhists nor Muslims and certainly not by atheists. It was founded by
        people with Judeo-Christian beliefs whether you like it or not, and there
        ain't a thing you can do about it. While I respect the right of anyone to
        practice whatever kind of religion they choose in this country, I readily
        and emphatically state that the Judeo Christian beliefs are what made this
        country great. You may say you don't believe in God but you have a god
        whether you want one or not. His name is Satan, and I'm sure that your god
        is well pleased with the despicable thing you've just done. After all I'm
        sure that this plot was hatched in the bowels of hell. This is the classic
        case of the tail wagging the dog. This may work with a couple of senile
        jurists but I will assure you that you've kicked up a hornet's nest across
        this country. I am sick and tired of the majority of this nation having to
        live under the fear of offending a few fools who think they are wiser than
        Almighty God. I'm sick and tired of politicians who listen to the squeaky
        wheel and pass ridiculous laws that take this country down the path of
        decadence and danger. I'm sick and tired of the pompous rear ends who are
        so worried about the rights of every lunatic fringe group that comes on the
        scene. I'm sick and tired of seeing our children being forced to go to
        schools where they can't openly mention the name of their creator. If there
        has ever been a classic case for schoolvouchers this is it. American
        parents should demand them so they can send their children to the kind of
        schools where they can practice their religion, or lack of, in whatever way
        they so choose. I'm sick and tired of pretending that our current conflict
        is anything less than a battle against radical Islam. Every war in the
        world, except the one in Northern Ireland, is a war between Islam and
        somebody. I'm sick and tired of pretending that Saudi Arabia is a friend of
        ours. Well, I will tell you one thing. You have at least one enemy and I
        am referring to myself and I would call on all God fearing people in this
        nation to stand up and be heard, roaring loud enough so that those deaf,
        dumb and blind judges can hear it way out in California.

        What do you think?

        God Bless America Charlie Daniels

        Bill Mitchell

        ~~~~~~~


        .......TEACH THEM RESPECT for
        EVERYONE and EVERYTHING!!!!! As a parent you need to put aside your own
        wants and needs 90% of the time and make time for your kids!! When you
        ask
        "but what about me?? I need a life too!"....the answer is.....you get
        YOUR
        time when the kids are grown and gone! Then.....what they watch and play
        wont even matter! They need strong discipline backed by even stronger
        love!!! They need parents that are role models, disciplinarians,
        teachers
        and counselors! That's what a parent is....its what we do!!!
        Anyway.....thanks for listening! Just my opinion! Laura White

        Well said! I applaud you and wish there were more people like you in this
        world! I also raised my child as a stay at home mother once I remarried, my
        son was very young and my husband is his dad now. We also lived in an
        apartment and worried day to day if our car would make it to work again. I
        also get complimented from everyone who meets my son on what a wonderful
        child he is. My message to all parents: Even if you have to work to
        support your selves BE THERE FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND TEACH THEM RIGHT FROM
        WRONG! Cash can be stolen but not love!
        T in Austin


        ~~~~~~~

        Hey Buffalo
        I was wondering if anybody answered the person that asked for a legal way to
        verify if a person served in the military I have a person I would like to
        check up on thanks.
        OLEYMAN

        buffalo says when you are discharged it is customary for a copy of a DD-214
        to be filed with the local registrar of deeds in the county the person
        enlisted from and also with the state VA. I have no idea how the FIA
        covers these documents but keep in mind that meddling even for the best
        of reasons may be misinterpreted as mistrust by both parties . Any police
        agency can also search service records at the DOD website.

        ~~~~~


        Dear Buffalo
        On November 5th, Americans will head to the polls. This election is an
        important one for our families and for our nation. The stakes could not be
        higher.
        The slim margin of the Democratic majority in the Senate means that every
        one of the 34 seats at stake has enormous significance.
        The DNC's resources are spread perilously thin. Chairman McAuliffe tells me
        that Democratic candidates in races across the country are urgently in need
        of your support.
        It is your support that will help us get on and stay on the right track.
        Just look at all we were able to do together during my administration. We
        had a prosperous economy; eliminated the deficit and paid down the debt;
        lowered crime and welfare rates; made the air and water cleaner for our
        children; and preserved the great gifts of our national forests and
        waterways for generations to come.
        Twenty and one half million new jobs, 7 million people out of poverty, 35
        million Americans using the Family and Medical leave Act, record home
        ownership and college enrollment.
        How did we accomplish so much? By working together and electing Democrats.
        America needs strong leaders. Leaders who believe in the security of America
        both inside and outside of its borders.
        Won't you lend your support at this critical time?
        The current House leadership does not share the Democrats' commitment to a
        balanced budget, affordable healthcare, a clean environment, or corporate
        responsibility. But next month with your support we have the opportunity to
        shift the power back to the Democrats. We only need to regain 6 seats to
        take hold of the House, and put the leadership of our nation into more
        responsible hands.
        If you and I can help the Democrats hold their majority in the Senate,
        reclaim the House, and regain the majority of governorships in America the
        Democratic Party will have the influence it needs to strengthen the nation.
        Once again, you will be able to count on Democrats to balance the budget,
        safeguard Social Security, provide quality public education, and protect the
        environment.
        Democrats will build an America that puts the concerns of people first.
        From my conversations with citizens across the country, I know that many
        Americans are concerned about the future of Social Security, about their
        retirement savings, and about how they will pay for their health care and
        medications as they grow older.
        Still others worry about holding on to their jobs and having enough money
        and support to care for their children and aging parents.
        Our future and the futures of those we love lay heavy on our hearts and
        minds these days. But we are blessed to live in a country where we don't
        just have to worry about the future: we can do something about it.
        So, with elections fast approaching, let us be unwavering in our commitment
        to the Democratic vision of our country and our world. Let us recommit
        ourselves to electing Democratic leadership. The time is now. We need you
        now. We cannot win without you.
        Please be generous and give today. And make sure you cast your vote on
        November 5th for Democratic candidates. You have the power to put the
        country back on the right track with your vote and your gift to the
        Democratic Party.
        Thank you for your support.
        Sincerely,
        Bill Clinton


        The following was compliments of Jack Cook.

        buffalo says OK now that we know that we hae the Democrats running scared ,
        lets bury them at the polls. Make a plan to walk , drive or cral to the
        polling place and make your choice for whatever candidate known.
        You know who I'll be voting for, don't copy off my ballot , vote your
        conscience.


        ~~~~~~~


        I know the last time I wrote I got a lot of flak for asking how someone
        could live on $1200 a month. I wasn't saying it couldn't be done, I have
        done so myself before while raising my now 15 year old son. Yes I live
        differently now, thanks to my husbands income to help. I was just hoping
        for some money saving tips not an assault of I'm doing it and you can too's!
        But enough of that I do apologise for my comment if people took it the
        wrong way. I fully understand and realise I can make it on little to
        nothing. I did want to comment on on Ganny's statments about Clinton and
        the country trying to impeach him for adultery. That is not why he should
        have been impeached. He lied to the country! And one thing no person
        should do is lie and here was our President lying to an entire nation. If
        he would have been honest and told the truth yes there would have been
        recriminations. The only thing I am upset about is that Clinton lied to all
        of us in a front of a judge and nothing happened to him. What would happen
        to a citizen of the United States if one of us happened to lie in a court,

        even a small claims court or appearing in court for a speeding ticket? We
        certainly wouldn't get our hand slapped and forgotten about. So enough of
        my rantings. I miss the reminicing (sp?) of better days that used to appear
        here. Keep up the good debates, I thoroughly enjoy reading all of the
        differing views.
        Tracey of Austin

        ~~~~~~~~

        Friday September 29, 2000; 12:38 AM EDT

        Lewinsky Was One of 'Hundreds' Inside the White House: Morris

        Monica Lewinsky was just one of "hundreds" of women Bill Clinton cheated
        with during his years as the nation's chief executive, according to a
        longtime Clinton insider who estimated the size of the presidential harem
        during a speech on Wednesday.

        Commenting on Clinton's peccadilloes to a Miami University audience,
        one-time presidential political guru Dick Morris contended:

        "He's had hundreds of women since he's been in the White House."

        Referring to Clinton Cabinet members who blindly accepted his denials of an
        affair with Lewinsky, Morris said, "You had to be a moron to believe this
        guy after his past record."

        Morris' comments first appeared in a Thursday night report by Cox News
        Service.

        The former Clinton confidant declined to elaborate. But in taped
        conversations with Linda Tripp, the White House intern revealed the
        president had once told her he'd slept with more than a hundred women during
        his Arkansas days.

        In 1994, Arkansas State Trooper L.D. Brown told the American Spectator that
        he had procured "at least a hundred" women for Clinton from 1982 till he
        left the governor's security detail in 1985.

        But unlike Morris, neither Brown's account nor Lewinsky's had anything to do
        with Clinton's White House philandering. On the tapes, for instance,
        Lewinsky alludes to her jealousy over only three or four other women she
        believed were also involved with Clinton.

        One target of Lewinsky's wrath was Eleanor Mondale, the CBS newswoman and
        daughter of former Vice President Walter Mondale. Lewinsky threw a fit
        outside the White House just weeks before her affair with Clinton became
        public, when she learned Clinton was meeting with Mondale at the same time
        Secret Service guards denied her access.

        In April 1998, former White House steward Michael McGrath detailed for Star
        magazine what he believed were Oval Office assignations between Clinton and
        former West Wing secretary Debra Schiff. The New York Times reported that
        Schiff's access to Clinton was second only to Hillary Clinton's and that of
        Vice President Al Gore.

        As the Lewinsky case heated up, Schiff was transferred to the State
        Department.

        In 1996, former White House personnel director David Watkins went public
        with claims that one-time Clinton girlfriend Marsha Scott, who became a
        trusted White House insider to both Bill and Hillary Clinton, had continued
        a sexual relationship with the president. Scott is one of the few from the
        inner Arkansas circle who remains at the White House.

        In the same 1996 interview, Watkins hinted that Clinton was carrying on with
        25-year-old Catherine Cornelius, who instigated Travelgate with her initial
        complaint that the travel office was being mismanaged.

        Cornelius was identified in official White House reports as Clinton's
        "distant cousin." But neither Watkins nor the late Vince Foster, both of
        whom knew Clinton from his earliest days in Hope, Ark., had ever heard of
        Cornelius before.

        Starr Report - Narrative Section
        11 Sep 98

        Mondale references:



        Narrative:



        1. Initial Visit and Rejection

        On the morning of Saturday, December 6, Ms. Lewinsky went to the White House
        to deliver the letter and gifts to the President. The gifts included a
        sterling silver antique cigar holder, a tie, a mug, a "Hugs and Kisses" box,
        and an antique book about Theodore Roosevelt.(731) Ms. Lewinsky planned to
        leave the parcel with Ms. Currie, who had told Ms. Lewinsky that the
        President would be busy with his lawyers and unable to see her.(732)

        Ms. Lewinsky arrived at the White House at approximately 10:00 a.m. She told
        the Secret Service uniformed officers at the Northwest Gate that she had
        gifts to drop off for the President, but that Ms. Currie did not know she
        was coming.(733) Ms. Lewinsky and the officers made several calls in an
        attempt to locate Ms. Currie.(734) The officers eventually invited Ms.
        Lewinsky inside the guard booth.(735) When Ms. Currie learned that Ms.
        Lewinsky was at the Northwest Gate, she sent word that the President
        "already had a guest in the [O]val," so the officers should have Ms.
        Lewinsky wait there for about 40 minutes.(736)

        While Ms. Lewinsky was waiting, one officer mentioned that Eleanor Mondale
        was in the White House.(737) Ms. Lewinsky correctly surmised that the
        President was meeting with Ms. Mondale, rather than his lawyers, and she was
        "livid."(738) She stormed away, called and berated Ms. Currie from a pay
        phone, and then returned to her Watergate apartment.(740)

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        The President was questioned in the grand jury about the incident at the
        Northwest Gate. He testified that he knew that Ms. Lewinsky had become upset
        upon learning that Ms. Mondale was in the White House "to see us that
        day."(763) He testified: "As I remember, I had some other work to do that
        morning. . . . "(764) The President said that the disclosure of information
        that day was "inappropriate" and "a mistake," but he could not recall
        whether he wanted a Secret Service officer fired or gave any such
        orders.(765) He thought that the officers "were . . . told not to let it
        happen again, and I think that's the way it should have been handled."(766)
        When asked if he told Captain Purdie that he hoped that he could count on
        his discretion, the President stated, "I don't remember anything I said to
        him in that regard."(767)

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        737. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 111-12. Ms. Mondale recalled visiting the
        President that morning. Mondale 7/16/98 Int. at 1. See also 843-DC-00000004
        (Epass records reflect that Ms. Mondale entered the White House at 9:33
        a.m.).

        738. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 111-12. See also Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 88-89. Ms.
        Lewinsky suspected that Ms. Mondale was romantically involved with the
        President. (739)

        739. In a conversation on November 11, Ms. Lewinsky speculated that Ms.
        Mondale was and the President were starting a "relationship." Ms. Lewinsky
        noted with bitterness: "Maybe she's not sleeping with him yet. Anyway,
        there's the excitement. It's the President." LT16 at 91. -

        740. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 112-13. Ms. Currie testified that Ms. Lewinsky
        angrily told her: "'You had lied to me, that the President is in the office,
        and he's meeting with someone.' And I said, 'Yeah, you're right.' She was
        not too happy about it, and words were exchanged." Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 37.

        - - - - - - - - - SNIP - - - - - - - - -

        763. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 84-85, 87. Ms. Mondale stated that she met with
        the President alone in the Oval Office study that day. Mondale 7/16/98 Int.
        at

        Don of Niagara Falls

        ~~~~~~


        ~~~~~

        Dear buffalo, I have sent you this twice before. If you don't print it
        now, I'll keep sending it til you do. People need to hear it. This is an
        old WW1 song I learned from my mother. I don't know it's title or
        author,But's it's very apropos for now.

        If you don't like your Uncle Sammy
        Then go back to your home o'er the sea.
        To the land from whence you came,
        Whatever be it's name,
        And don't be ungrateful to me.
        If you don't like the stars in Old Glory,
        If you don't like the Red, White and Blue,
        Don't act like the cur in the story
        Don't bite the hand that's feeding you!

        Insert this in the scuttlebutt where people are arguing about "if you
        don't lke it here". Maybe it will shake someone up !!! Vida,
        from Ohio

        ~~~~~~~

        We got our first snow today, also.
        --
        Don of Niagara Falls

        ~~~~~~~

        I saw this in an internet providers newsletter and immediately knew I had to
        send all of you this gem. Have a wonderful weekend and lovin' the chips :-)
        ~Pogo

        The English Language

        English is an odd language.
        There is no egg in the eggplant,
        No ham in the hamburger,
        And neither pine nor apple in the pineapple.
        English muffins were not invented in England.
        French fries were not invented in France.


        We sometimes take English for granted,
        But if we examine its paradoxes we find that
        Quicksand takes you down slowly, Boxing rings are square,
        And a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

        If writers write, how come fingers don't fing.
        If the plural of tooth is teeth,
        Shouldn't the plural of phone booth be phone beeth?
        If the teacher taught, Why didn't the preacher praught.

        If a vegetarian eats vegetables,
        What the heck does a humanitarian eat!?
        Why do people recite at a play, Yet play at a recital?
        Park on driveways and Drive on parkways?

        You have to marvel at the unique lunacy
        Of a language where a house can burn up as
        It burns down, And in which you fill in a form
        By filling it out, And a bell is only heard once it goes!

        That is why When the stars are out they are visible,
        But when the lights are out they are invisible.
        And why it is that when I wind up my watch
        It starts, But when I wind up this poem It ends.
        `````````````````````

        Dear Avonlea,

        The Koran does honor Jesus as a Prophet. And, Allah is God, the same God as
        you worship, and the Jews worship. If you think Allah is Satan for the
        Muslims, then you nust believe that Jahovah is Satan for the Jews (They do
        not honor Jesus at all.). Aren't you saying that if anyone does not believe
        as you do, then they are worshipping Satan. Sounds the height of intolarance
        to me. This country was founded on the right to worship in any manner one
        pleases. Sounds like you want to take that away.

        --
        Don of Niagara Falls

        ~~~~~~~~~

        I have talked to a lot of Muslims and a few Christians in the past few
        months. Mostly in Pakistan and Egypt.
        Mostly I wanted to know how the women were treated there. ( Being a woman
        myself, I was curious) The women from what I was told were treated better
        than they use to be. They go to college, can have careers. I ask about the
        marriages. In the rural parts of Pakistan, marriages are arranged. I was
        told a boy of 12 married a girl 6 yrs. old. In all the Muslims countries
        the girls have to be a virgin when they marry. They do everything else tho.
        I was told by all the men, that they had anal sex with their g/fs, and the
        girls would give them oral sex. They would have sex with a married woman,
        and hope the husband didn't catch them. They would do oral sex to the girls.
        It didn't matter as long as the girl stayed a virgin. They can have as many
        as 4 wives, but the 1st wife has to approve. They wont eat pork. lol Sorry
        but I find this funny. And everyone of them want to have cyber sex with you.
        They all say they love you and want to come to America.
        TR from Texas

        ~~~~~~~~

        Hey Buffalo ~ This poem was sent to me by a special friend who has retired
        from the military. With Veterens Day approaching I thought you might be
        interested in printing it in your newsletter. I've added a link at the end
        for thanking our military personel for defending our freedom.

        ~ A Soldier Died Today ~

        He was getting old and paunchy
        And his hair was falling fast,
        And he sat around the Legion,
        Telling stories of the past.

        Of a war that he once fought in
        And the deeds that he had done,
        In his exploits with his buddies;
        They were heroes, every one.

        And 'tho sometimes to his neighbors
        His tales became a joke,
        All his buddies listened quietly
        For they knew where of he spoke.

        But we'll hear his tales no longer,
        For ol' Bob has passed away,
        And the world's a little poorer
        For a Soldier died today.

        He won't be mourned by many,
        Just his children and his wife.
        For he lived an ordinary,
        Very quiet sort of life.

        He held a job and raised a family,
        Going quietly on his way;
        And the world won't note his passing,
        'Tho a Soldier died today.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        When politicians leave this earth,
        Their bodies lie in state,
        While thousands note their passing,
        And proclaim that they were great.

        Papers tell of their life stories
        From the time that they were young
        But the passing of a Soldier
        Goes unnoticed, and unsung.


        Is the greatest contribution
        To the welfare of our land,
        Some jerk who breaks his promise
        And cons his fellow man?

        Or the ordinary fellow
        Who in times of war and strife,
        Goes off to serve his country
        And offers up his life?

        The politician's stipend
        And the style in which he lives,
        Are often disproportionate,
        To the service that he gives.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        While the ordinary Soldier,
        Who offered up his all,
        Is paid off with a medal
        And perhaps a pension, small.

        It's so easy to forget them,
        For it is so many times
        That our Bobs and Jims and Johnnys,
        Went to battle, but we know,

        It is not the politicians
        With their compromise and ploys,
        Who won for us the freedom
        That our country now enjoys.

        Should you find yourself in danger,
        With your enemies at hand,
        Would you really want some cop-out,
        With his ever waffling stand?

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Or would you want a Soldier--
        His home, his country, his kin,
        Just a common Soldier,
        Who would fight until the end.

        He was just a common Soldier,
        And his ranks are growing thin,
        But his presence should remind us
        We may need his like again.

        For when countries are in conflict,
        We find the Soldier's part
        Is to clean up all the troubles
        That the politicians start.

        If we cannot do him honor
        While he's here to hear the praise,
        Then at least let's give him homage
        At the ending of his days.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Perhaps just a simply headline
        In the paper that might say :
        "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING,
        A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."

        (~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)(~~)
        Pass On The Patriotism !! You Can Make A Difference.......

        If you are so inclined, visit the Department of Defense web page below and
        sign a brief message thanking the men and women of the U.S. military
        services for defending freedom. The compiled list of names will be sent out
        to our soldiers at the end of the month. So far, there are only about
        942,391 names. What a shame. National Military Appreciation Month. (Even if
        you are not a citizen of the US, you can still sign.)

        (please pass it on to your email friends) takes 10 seconds...literally


        http://www.defendamerica.mil/nmam.html


        My name was added as # 986,138 to this list on 10/29/02 ~ Val

        ~~~~~~~

        A RIGHTOUS GENTILE
        A few months ago, the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, gave a
        posthumous award for "constructive dissent" to Hiram (or Harry)
        Bingham, IV. For over fifty years, the State Department resisted
        any attempt to honor Bingham. for them he was an
        insubordinate member of the US diplomatic service, a dangerous
        maverick who was eventually demoted. Now, after his death,
        he has been officially recognized as a hero.

        Bingham came from an illustrious family. His father (on whom the
        fictional character Indiana Jones was based) was the
        archeologist who unearthed the Inca city of Machu Picchu, Peru in
        1911. Harry entered the US diplomatic service and, in 1939,
        was posted to Marseille, France as American vice-consul. The USA
        was then neutral and, not wishing to annoy Marshal Petain's
        puppet Vichy regime, President Roosevelt's government ordered its
        representatives in Marseille not to grant visas to any Jews.
        Bingham found this policy immoral and, risking his career, did all
        in his power to undermine it. In defiance of his bosses in
        Washington, he granted over 2,500 UA visas to Jewish and other
        refugees, including the artists Marc Chagall and Max Ernst and
        the family of the writer Thomas Mann. He also sheltered Jews in
        his Marseille home, and obtained

        forged identity papers to help Jews in their dangerous journeys
        across Europe. He worked with the French underground to
        smuggle Jews out of France into Franco's Spain or across the
        Mediterranean and even contributed to their expenses out of his
        own pocket.

        In 1941, Washington lost patience with him. He was sent to
        Argentina, where, later. he continued to annoy his superiors by

        reporting on the movements of Nazi war criminals. Eventually, he
        was forced out of the American diplomatic service completely.

        Bingham died almost penniless in 1988. Little was known of his
        extraordinary activities until his son found a series of letters in
        his belongings after his death. He has now been honored by many groups
        and organizations including the United Nations and
        the State of Israel.

        Please pass on this fascinating information about a Rightous
        Gentile who made such a difference in so many lives.

        e

        ~~~~~~~

        re REX HUMBOLD rex skipped town. I think his practice of using religion to
        serve and enrich himself became
        the blueprint for the Baker's, Swaggart and their ilk. Visit the Akron area
        and you too can see rex's erection; it's still there!

        Future King of Ohio

        Just so long as you don't build a castle...

        b j

        ~~~~~

        Dear dj.

        Go to this site:

        http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/

        This is the archieve of all military records (stored near St Louis, MO).
        You're going to run into privacy problems, but maybe they can give you some
        advice. And, for all you Vets this is where your records are stored.
        --
        Don of Niagara Falls


        ~~~~~~~~~

        Hi Buffalo,

        Maybe someone could verify my understanding that New York City had a
        major problem with cars with handicapped permits taking the majority of
        the parking spaces ( and not having to feed the parking meters?).
        Their solution was to require all handicapped permits to be approved
        by the city's Medical Examiners Office. The number of handicapped
        permits dropped by something around 80 percent if I remember correctly.
        I think this is a solution to the bogus handicapped letters that can be
        obtained for the price of an office visit. This would free up the
        spaces for those who need to park close in and find the spots always filled.


        ~~~~~~~

        I dont know how to respond to your list, and do not want my email
        published.- but I need to say in defense of people who have these stickers,
        and look able bodied - You can't see every handicap. I had major major
        major back surgery, and even though I look normal and seem to walk without
        problems, every step is an effort. Some days I appear to run, I may run
        into work, but I often feel like I need to crawl out. Don't be so quick to
        pass judgement. I may be seen carrying large items, I do this due to need -
        I need to get items from point A to point B and sometimes there is no one to
        help, so I NEED to do it myself. This doesn't mean that I am ablebodied,
        just that I am stupid.....Chill about us already. I have enough to deal
        with without someone glaring at me based on where I need to park my
        car.......

        Any Mouse

        ~~~~~~~~

        Avonlea:

        There are many reasons for a Christian to reject the teachings of the Koran.
        However, "...it does not honor Jesus Christ" is not a valid one. I'm
        sending three of the 40 or so references to Jesus (whom the Muslims also
        call Isa) that a simple search of an online Koran produced.

        AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN) 003.003
        YUSUFALI: It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book,
        confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the
        Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the
        criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

        AN-NISA (WOMEN) 004.159
        YUSUFALI: And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in
        him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness
        against them;-
        PICKTHAL: There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe
        in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness
        against them -
        SHAKIR: And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly
        believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa)
        shall be a witness against them.

        AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)005.110
        YUSUFALI: Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour
        to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit,
        so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold!
        I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou
        makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou
        breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those
        born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the
        dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from
        (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the
        unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'
        PICKTHAL: When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto
        thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so
        that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I
        taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how
        thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission,
        and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and thou didst
        heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou
        didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children of
        Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
        those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere
        magic;
        SHAKIR: When Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you
        and on your mother, when I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit, you
        spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught
        you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you
        determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission,
        then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you
        healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought
        forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel
        from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who
        disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.

        I think these speak for themselves.

        Peri L. Dwyer, D.C.

        ~~~~~

        Buffalo-

        As always, there are differing opinions about single-parent homes. I would
        ask people not to automatically consider that women raising children alone
        are necessarily unwed mothers, even though there are more of those around
        than there should be...

        My twin brother and sister and I were raised by my mother; she was a single
        mother when being a single mother wasn't cool. The reason we were alone is
        that she and her husband, our beloved father, were separated by WWII, and
        because they didn't get along, they just never joined up again after the
        war. He mustered out on the opposite coast, and could not send any support,
        for various reasons. She supported and raised us outright - alone.

        I will always revere and thank my mother for what I now know was a
        horrendously difficult job. Certainly those days engendered in me a certain
        frugality and a conservative handling of money, but that's to be expected,
        of course. More importantly, I also learned to respect and preach the
        necessity of working at marriage, and of keeping families together if at all
        humanly possible.

        Ganny

        Buffalo,

        Last Sunday our church presented to the congregation a Panel of five
        people, four of whom were guests. There was a representative from each
        of the five major World Religions - Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam
        and Christianity. It was not a debate; rather, each one described
        his/her religion and answered some pre-submitted questions.

        It was very well done, and very well received. But... I want to tell you
        about one rather strange thing. The Muslim representative, who was a
        doctor, was very eloquent and articulate in telling about Islam and its
        beliefs. He's been in this county for 30 years, and perhaps his
        experiences here as a Muslim caused him to lie about Islam's belief about
        the nature of Jesus. He said Islam teaches that Jesus is God, just as
        does Christianity.

        Not only is this not true, but another Muslim doctor wrote to our pastor,
        offering to speak to our congregation to tell us that Muslims believe
        that Jesus is one of five important prophets, but is not considered to be
        God, or any part of Him. This man had read the account of our program in
        the local paper, and contacted the pastor to set things aright.

        Even though we experienced this glitch in the information we received, it
        was nevertheless a wonderful morning. There is more that connects our
        religions than separates them. Sometimes the differences spring from
        interpretation, sometimes from custom, and of course, there are some
        fundamental differences such as this one I've mentioned.

        The reason I write about this is to celebrate the fact that we all are
        still, in this country, allowed to study, discuss and believe in whatever
        religion we choose. And I celebrate the fact that our Christian pastor
        is open enough to educate his congregation to the fact that there are
        many paths to God, even though he lives and preaches the Way of
        Christianity. If the whole world would be as open and non-judgemental as
        he is, there would be precious little conflict for us to write about in
        the Chips...

        Ganny

        ~~~~

        Hi Buff.
        In regards to a Thompson Center Contender not being a good home defence gunI
        feel very secure with mine in .45 Long Colt loaded with a 3" 410 shot shell
        in it and a couple of spares under my bed. Homebrew

        buffalo says although there are weapons better suited to that purpose
        the .410 caliber does have a demoralizing if not deadly effect hehheh .
        Slug, shot , or rock salt heheh ?


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          Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
          ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
          sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
          useful info was spread )

          Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
          due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
          profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
          Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind


          Hi Buff
          I have the Dragon Naturally Speaking and my father in law also does.He got
          it first as he had a stroke and has a hard time typing now.It works
          great.There are a few things to remember,you can tell it to turn off when
          you need to cough and there are some words that you can tell it to spell.It
          is a very good program!!
          Just wanted to let other readers out there know it is a good thing for
          people that have hand coordination problems as well as us poor typists.
          hummy


          I~~~~~~
          Shooting Blanks
          Hi Buffalo,
          I got a kick out of your rendition of the blank in the shotgun and had to
          write and tell you about something similar. My Father-in-Law owned a High
          Standard Sport King .22 cal semi-automatic pistol and kept it under the
          mattress on his side of the bed for protection. After his death his wife
          told me to get the gun and take it home with me, as she was afraid of guns
          and didn't want it in the house. I found the gun to have a fully loaded clip
          and one in the chamber and the safety on. The kicker is, all the rounds were
          shot shells, which we used to call rat shot. A shot shell won't provide
          enough compression when fired to rack the slide and inject another round. At
          the most he would have gotten off the first shot and given the intruder a
          fairly bad rash unless he shot him in the eyes, then the gun was useless
          unless he clubbed him with it.
          I still have the gun today and it's a beauty in mint condition. I take it
          with me sometimes to the range and never fail to recall and have a laugh
          about those shot shells.
          J. Moore

          ~~~~~


          Why do we all think that our particular faith is the ONE Faith? After all,
          Christ didn't write the Bible nor did Buddah write his teachings. I am not
          familiar with many faiths to the degree that I could argue them however I
          have worshiped in Temples in Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, and churches
          all over the U.S.A.

          As I seem to remember, God says as it is written in the Ten Commandments
          Thou shalt have no other Gods befor you. So mote it be.

          The fact that I burned incense in Temples does not mean that I was
          worshiping a diety other than the "Christian God " That I believe in nor
          does it make the people of the respective countries wrong in their beliefs.

          They all have different names for God. Prophets are known by different names
          as well and stop to think about the Saints that we as Christians revere.

          Taiwanese for instance "worship or as I would rather say Revere" Matsu who
          is the goddess of the sea. Does she differ in any way from the Patron Saint
          of Sailors St. Elmo? I think not.

          The list goes on and on from country to country, religion to religion. As
          Christians, we all believe that we all decended from Adam and Eve and as one
          writer mentioned, what about the Tower of Babel?

          Sorry but I forgot about Noah and the Ark So, I guess that makes us all
          decendents of Noah and his family.

          Bearing that in mind, where did our races of people come from? Red, Black,
          Yellow and White?

          Lets just all try to get along and do the best as we know how and stop
          beating our Brothers and Sisters to death in the name of religion and try to
          get along as neighbors. Try to remember too that once the hand of charity is
          extended, it is hard to draw back.

          Oldcat`

          ~~~~~~



          I have to get this off my chest. First of all everybody wants peace in the
          middle east right? No one knows how to accomplish this right? I do! Stop
          these people from reproducing with their first cousins! They are all
          mentally
          challenged from centuries of this. They will never be able to think or act
          normal until the inbreeding stops! Second I am so sick of people blaming
          PRESIDENT BUSH and the republicans for the economy! Bill Clinton and his
          homies are largely at fault here. Think back to his term when all the stock
          and financial anylists were saying the market was moving too fast, did
          anybody try to figure out why?No! Because they were all making MONEY so they
          didn't want to see the reality of the situation! And all the corruption in
          the
          C E O's offices, why not? the President of the U.S. himself was corrupt! And
          how can any company honestly PREDICT their companys' quarterly earnings
          unless they 'create' what they think or hope they might earn. There is no
          way
          to know for sure how much a company will earn yet Wallstreet will surge or
          dive at these predictions! Ridiculous!!! Oh my God I feel much better. Thank
          You very much!
          jnet
          Michigan

          ~~~~~~~

          I have been accused of being intolerant because I have openly objected to
          the praise of Islam which is now so prevalent in the media, and because of
          my belief that it is a false religion. I grant others the right to believe
          as they chose, even if they reject what I know to be the truth. Some have
          asked if I read the newspapers after reading that I don't wish to read the
          Koran because it does not honor Christ. Yes, of course I read several forms
          of printed matter which may or may not even mention Him. I should have known
          there would be those who would take that to the extreme. It has been said
          that the Koran refers to Christ as a prophet. I have heard that before. So
          what? Satan is aware that Christ is the Son of God, but is eternally lost.
          Christ was a prophet, but that was only a part of what He was and is.
          Everyone has the right to follow whatever beliefs they want, but along with
          that choice comes whatever consequences follow. Jesus is the Messiah, even
          for those who chose not to follow Him. Yes, Yahweh, or Jehovah, is the one
          true God, I don't believe that anything I said could be taken otherwise. It
          is my hope & prayer for all people to acknowledge Jesus as Savior, for their
          sake and His. My frustration comes from seeing a false religion held up as a
          peaceful, tolerant one, which serves the same God I do. That couldn't be
          farther from the truth. Of all the religions in the world, many of whom may
          "predate" Biblical Christianity, none can offer what it alone does. Allah
          did not die for anyone, yet he asks that his followers kill themselves in
          order to kill their enemies. Even after doing so, the Muslim suicide victim
          is not assured entry into paradise, if I understand correctly. For those who
          would argue that many evils have been committed in the name of Christianity,
          I have to agree. However, those who did so were committing sins for which
          they have had to pay a price. There have been many who claim to know Christ
          who do not. This are the ones who do evil while claiming to be serving Him.
          Not all who name the name of Christ actually know Him, and many are merely
          deceiving themselves.
          avonlea

          ~~~

          IREFERENCE TO

          n a message dated 11/2/2002 2:27:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
          buffalo@... writes:



          Hey Buffalo,

          I hope you don't mind me using your scuttlebutt for this open letter to Pat
          Buchanan as I do not know how to contact him, and maybe one of the herd does
          have a way. If so, please post an e-mail address for him and I will send
          this diatribe to him as well. Please feel free to edit if you wish.
          Thanks, farmboy.



          Hey farm boy - I did not see the article or speech that you make reference
          to, but it does not matter - EVERY time he opens his mouth PAT ROBERTSON
          betrays his braying ignorance - he is sort of a smaller version ofJerry
          Falwell - not to bright but talks a lot. Bad enough he slams other
          countries, but how would you THIS to be the man teaching you about
          Christianity? I keep using that phrase:JAWBONE OF AN ASS - IT JUST FITS SO
          WELL.

          B J mIAMI


          ~~~~~~~

          PRESIDENT Clinton may have lied about screwing a woman or even a hundred
          women if you believe all the gossips on the bash-wagon but Bush is screwing
          this entire country by lying about why he wants to take out Hussein. He
          wants control of the oil fields PERIOD! His form of terrorism is worse than
          any other. If he's going to blow them away, do it! Don't keep "teasing" them
          about it with these pompous, bullying, threatening tactics being used. Where
          does Bush get off demanding ALL countries conform to the U.S. standards? It
          seems we not only demand they conform when they live in America but they are
          even expected to conform to our demands when they live in their OWN country.
          Why isn't this arrogant jerk demanding the same conformity from ALL foreign
          countries? Do you suppose it's because they would all tell him to go to
          hell?
          I'm NOT saying Hussein is not a threat, he most definitely is; but so are
          many other foreign leaders. The only difference is that they don't have
          anything Bush wants control of for his oil baron friends.
          Because of Bush, I wouldn't vote Republican if that was the only party
          running for office. It's nice to live in a Country that allows ME to have MY
          opinion of this President.
          Pat from North Tonawanda

          ~~~~~~

          Clinton's Letter
          Talk about someone so full of himself . The damage the clintonites and the
          media did to this country is is a thousand fold worse than any terrorist
          could be gin to do . I pray to God this election the american people turn
          these tree hugging , gay loving , socialistic , God hating anti-constitution
          liberal power hungry sociopathes out to pasture . Bill Clinton gave us
          saddam and Bin Laden to deal with , If he had done his job instead of
          raising taxes , pitting blacks , old people , young people and the whole
          world against each other we would be living in a safer world . The bad
          economy started under his watch . He has no shame and no conscience , and
          will probably have me arrested for speaking my mind . Anyone who supports
          the democrat party is either very naive , stupid or very greedy . The
          blatant lies coming from the democrat party and the media are so far off the
          deep end of stupid it's astounding that anyone would believe them much less
          support them , but the stupid do . For once in my fifty years on this earth
          I would like to see a republican president and congress for 2 years . I this
          happens the democrats would be running for cover . because world would be
          such a better place people would be hunting them down for target practice .
          Bill clinton crawl back under the rock you slithered from and give this
          country back to the people .
          THE DON

          ~~~~~~~

          Future Chips
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          What is the mother's name from the Jetson's?
          -Judy Jane

          What is the father's name?
          -George

          What is the son's name?
          -Elroy

          What is the daughter's name?
          -Jane Judy

          What is the dog's name?
          -Astro

          What is the Iraqui guy's name?
          -There isn't no Iraqui guy

          *Isn't the future great!*


          Mario

          Hey Mario,

          Try again. The correct answers are shown above. Also, why a double
          negative? Shouldn't you have said, "There isn't any Iraqui guy." or "There
          is no Iraqui guy."

          ~~~~~~

          Hey buff
          Jane was the wife,Judy was the daughter's name

          floyd

          buffalo says don't ask me I work over at Cogswell Cogs. What was the
          Janitor's name?? What was Astro's real name?

          ~~~~~~

          Must admit buffalo I have to agree with you in one respect on voting
          Tuesday. All Americans have got to get off their lazy asses and get out and
          vote this time. I've been voting for 17 years and have not missed an
          election yet. There are a lot of races all across the United States that
          are going to come down to whichever candidate gets out more of their
          supporters. I think it remains to be seen if the democrats are going to get
          buried at the polls Tuesday or its going to be the other way around. Me, I
          think that when the dust clears not a lot is going to have changed. I think
          the dems are going to win a few and loose a few as well as it's going to be
          the same way for the republicans. An interesting point that I do not think
          anyone has though of is what happens if when the dust clears the senate ends
          in a tie between the parties or an Independent wins a seat. Finally,
          everyone just like buffalo said get out and vote Tuesday NO EXCUSES it only
          takes a couple of minutes.

          MT-Michigan

          ~~~~~~



          Hi Buffalo,
          This is in resonse to our Canadian neighbor, Farmboy.
          My friend, don't let the likes of Pat Buchanan put a burr under your saddle.
          Hell, intelligent folks in the USA have been listening to his garbled,
          doubled-eged crap for years. When he made those comments about Canada, his
          lack of historical knowledge shined right through, did it not?. Canada has
          always been a wonderful neighbor to America. You mentioned the many
          volunteers from Canada who came to NY on 9/11... there were also 22
          Canadians lost at that site. For those who are not aware.. Canada is the
          only country in the free world who is self-supporting and stands tall and
          proud on her own. No, I am not a Canadian, I am an American who appreciates
          what her friend and neighbor has done for me and you. The Royal Canadian
          Air Force is certainly equal to the best of the best. Education and
          technology in Canada is none less equal to our own. Having lived most of my
          life in the northeast, I am personally aware of the helping hand extended by
          Canadians. The terrible winter of 1996 crippled northeastern Maine..
          Canadians came through Houlton, Maine (rte. 95 ends there) on snowmobiles..
          yep snowmobiles...they brought needed items to the folks in that area. When
          Maine and part of NH were without power for weeks, the Canadian companies
          came down with generators so these people would not freeze to death. I
          could go on and on and on, but will stop now. I think I've made my point.
          Yessiree, I'm proud as hell to be an American and greatful as hell that
          Canada is our good neighbor. ! ! !
          I also don't feel I could apologize for Bull****Buchanan's remarks, he
          simply isn't worth the time. I did find something which you may enjoy
          reading and this article was written by Americans.
          Pat Buchanan - <a href="http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/buch.htm">Wolf
          in Pit Bull's Clothing - closet Nazi</a>, reaching for the throat of free
          society.
          http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/buch.htm

          ~My best to you,
          Helen (an American friend)

          ~~~~~~~~

          Many people have complained about shopping cats left in the wide areas
          between handicapped spaces. I don't know about other areas, but here in the
          Cincinnati area, the cart parking areas in the aisles without handicapped
          spaces are about the 3rd or 4th space from the building. The cart parking
          areas in the aisles with handicapped parking are half way down the parking
          lot. Maybe if it was more convenient for the handicapped people to park the
          carts where they belong, they would not leave them next to their cars when
          they leave. I am handicapped myself and it seems to defeat the purpose to
          park closer to the building and then have to take a hike to park the cart.

          Don


          ~~~~~

          Hi Buffalo,
          I would like to suggest to Leo that BanderaJim has a very valid point. The
          30/06 in a hand gun is a helluva hand full for a hefty youngster, much less
          an eldery person. I would suggest stepping down a couple of notches. I'm not
          even sure the 30/06 is available, but you could get a .223 or .270 barrel,
          either of which will handle a deer just fine. Still a healthy kick
          one-handed.
          As to Homebrew liking his single shot .410 for home protection, I think
          whatever makes him comfortable is probably best for him. For that use, I
          personally don't care much for any kind of long gun, although I have a
          double barrel 12 ga. in the corner. I keep a fully loaded Colt 1991 A1 on my
          night stand. My wife and I are both retirees and have no children in the
          house, but when our grand kids come on weekends, the Colt and any ammo goes
          into a lockbox with my other pistols before they even get here.
          Talking about the .410, our sixteen year-old grandson bagged his first
          whitetail last year with a .410 slug.
          J. Moore

          ~~~~~~

          Not all of the founders of our great country
          were Christian; Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin
          Franklin and Thomas Paine, among others.

          They founded our country on the principal
          of "freedom of religion." That means freedom
          for ALL religions.

          Clay

          ~~~~~~

          To: BJ Cassady Guthrie, Oklahoma
          .....this past year has been horrific. Lost my dad, mom in the hospital 3
          times,
          my best dog died, lost part of my thumb to an accident, my wife
          left me without any excuse or reason, all my cars broke..............
          It sounds to me like you're a country song waiting to happen. HeHe.
          Greatscottz

          ~~~~~~~

          To farmboy,
          I 100% agree with you and Buffalo on mr.B. Don't let him off the hook!!!
          Future King of Ohio

          ~~~~~~~

          Hey Buffalo - Am I the only one who is offended by the
          IKEA commercials? If you haven't seen them, one shows
          a lamp that has been discarded sitting on the curb in
          the rain. Then you see the new lamp glowing in the
          apartment window. Another shows a couple in the
          throws of passion knocking a cow figurine off the
          table. At the end of both of these scenes is a man
          who looks and sounds a lot like a Nazi saying if you
          feel sorry for the lamp or the cow creamer you are
          crazy. You can replace it at IKEA with something
          better. My problem with that is that I am one of those
          people who does get attached to the old and familiar.
          And I feel a sad if a memento or household object is
          lost or broken. Does that give IKEA the right to call
          me crazy? Joanie

          buffalo says they do push the edge but I have a really strange sense
          of humor I have received and passed on several of their MPEG
          commercials lately but not the one you mentioned.

          ~~~~~~~

          Buffalo

          I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this mail is going to open up a
          HUGE topic, of which NONE of this letter really applies to. All I want to do
          is point out how incongruous some of our laws are and the positions they
          stand on.



          Here in sunny Louisiana, way back in early 1999, the legislature passed a
          law that allowed the manufacturing and selling of license plates for
          vehicles with "Choose Life" as the sub-title of said plate (and as I
          understand it, some pro-life agency was to receive partial payments from the
          purchase of each of these plates.). Well.. Long story short, it went all the
          way to the LA Supreme Court for a ruling (separation of Church and State
          kinda thing). They ruled in favour of the tags, and this past Friday the LA
          Motor Vehicle Department started selling these tags.

          My problem with the whole thing is, if the state can sell Pro-Life plates,
          why can't they sell Pro-Choice plates????

          I know Florida went through a very similar issue in the fall of 2000, and
          have no idea what ever became of that one; anyone know, let me in on it.

          Don't get me wrong, the whole pro-life, pro-choice issue is not really one
          for me. I have my beliefs, so this message is NOT about that issue at all;
          lets PLEASE refrain from that particular topic. PLEASE!



          Raymond S. Bowen

          Drive It Like You Stole It

          ~~~~~~

          Hello again Buffalo!

          I would just like to say to Laura White, osmanjokat and all the other stay
          at home moms:

          I applaud you for being able to stay at home throughout your children's
          growing up years. I wish I could have, but unfortunately, in this day it
          generally takes both parents working to make ends meet. I must say tho,
          that you don't have to be a stay at home mom to raise good children. My
          husband and I both worked full time jobs but still raised three of the most
          wonderful children in the state of Texas, two of whom are married and have
          children of their own and the third is continuing his education in Oklahoma.
          Yes, my boys played Nintendo games and watched TV. Not all of what they
          watched or played was non-violent, but it didn't make them want to go out
          and kill people either. My advice to parents is to be as much a part of
          your children's lives as you can, make time to talk to your children and
          listen to what they have to say and the most important thing is to show them
          and tell them that you love them every day, many times a day!

          Again Buffalo, you do a wonderful job, keep up the good work!!!

          J. Sharpton
          Texas, USA

          ~~~~~~

          If you are interested in a definitive site on Clinton, visit:

          http://www.alamo-girl.com/

          The most complete list of files on Clinton I've ever read.
          --
          Don of Niagara Falls

          ~~~~~~

          Buff,

          On the subject of keeping a TC for home defense, I say better that than
          nothing. I keep a .40 semi-auto on my desk loaded with Glaser hollowpoints
          to keep them from room-to-room penetration, a 12 ga. Mossberg 500 with an
          18" barrel and pistol grips in the bedroom loaded birdshot/birdshot/#4
          buck/00 buck/ sabot slug (reach out and touch someone!) and I can empty the
          tube accurately in 4 seconds flat, aided by laser sighting. Life was simpler
          in the country, suburban living has it's downside.

          Don

          ~~~~~~~

          Dear Buff:

          Really enjoy the chips and sometimes would like to enter into the
          discussion, but my grandma told me polite ladies never discuss religion,
          politics or sex in public. What a shame! I am an expert on two of them.

          Dottie in Texas

          buffalo says You can't even tell us which two hehheh.. You could use a pen
          name that is unrecognizable like Not Dottie from Texas.

          ~~~~~~


          I totally agree with you that RADICAL Islam does not represent the whole
          of the Islamic world, or even the majority. And if one were to be
          painfully honest, the Crusades would have to rank right up there as one
          of the worst cases of people blindly following their leadership. Some,if
          not all, of the biggest atrocities that have ever transpired on this
          planet have been carried out in the name of religion. Islam is the one in
          the headlines today, fifty or a hundred years from now-who can say.
          The Middle East in general is percieved here in the U.S. as being the
          "enemy" in our war on terrorism. This couldn't be further from the truth
          but because of a lack of knowledge it is assumed. Now on the other hand,
          don't you think it's possible that we are thought of as the "Great
          Satan" due to a lack of knowledge on their part? They only know what they
          are allowed to know in many places over there. Just what excuse do we
          have for our ignorance?
          R.D.Shepley SMF
          P.S. Buff, splitting the jokes and scuttlebutt, fantastic idea!

          ~~~~

          People who cannot be bothered to learn both sides of the
          issues should not bother to vote.

          Thomas Sowell


          Jay Helton

          ~~~~~~~

          Hi Buff,

          Just want to wish you well and hope that you will be 100% real soon!!

          Just for info. Next week Tuesday is Melbourne Cup in Melbourne, Australia
          and we get a holiday for
          that. Melbourne Cup is a day of fun, fashion and horse racing. Just
          wondering if there is any
          other places in the world that have a holiday for horse racing!!

          Take care

          Amy
          Melbourne, Australia

          ~~~~~~

          To ab,
          it's funny you mentioned that you didn't get some of the British words
          as I am at a college in England where British students are in the minority
          and probably more Canadians and Americans than Brits. The Canadians tend to
          get our humour more, but the phrases tend to just go over North American
          heads as I think we use a lot more euphamisms and word-plays than over on
          your side of the pond.
          I think the best way to learn them is to get hold of the latest copy of
          Roger's Profanisaurus published by Viz and Boxtree. It calls itself 'the
          ultimate swearing dictionary' (hey, I'm, reading sociology and anthropology
          so it's important to my course :) ) but has phrases and expressions and is a
          very amusing read. Don't want to sound too much like an advert for it, but
          it's well worth a chuckle and maybe give an insight to some of the phrases
          you'll hear over here.

          - Jon UK

          ~~~~~

          I had a history professor in college who once stated that "If
          there is not a God, then man would have created on because man feels the
          need to believe in a Higher Being." This idea as stuck with me for thirty
          years, long after I have forgotten most of what ever else he taught us.
          This was most suprising to me because he was or is a devout Christian, even
          though he did not force his religion on us as a captive audience. He mainly
          gave us some food for thought

          I think what he was saying is that man has an innate goodness and desires or
          needs a sense of order. I have heard other learned gentlemen (persons)
          from other religions and historians say the same. as your prof.

          Lane
          Miami

          ~~~~~~



          I am assuming this was directed TO me, since I did not write it-

          Lane from Miami
          Are you a musican? I think I met you at Lucy's party. Small world. Enjoy
          your comments. Keep them coming

          Sue Douglas

          Hello, and No, I am not a musician. But thank you for your comment- I enjoy
          reading all those neat opinions and sticking pins in others. When it is my
          turn to get deflated, I hope I will have good grace. Am working hard on.
          Lane, Miami

          ~~~~~~

          I have received that email in my mailbox many times before, but today i will
          comment! I agree that in any other country the free speech we have does not
          exist. But i do not agree about forcing people to learn our language.
          Hundreds of years ago we did not speak English, we spoke French or Dutch or
          Spanish. If you go to other countries people do not force you to speak their
          language. I lived in France for two years and was never once chided for
          speaking English. Although i learned the language to make it easier for my
          own sake, there was no problem being an English speaker in a French country.
          I have been to Italy, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Finland and countless other
          countries where speaking English is OKAY. I agree that God is everywhere in
          this country, but I do not agree when people are forced to praise him. For
          example, in my high school (yes im a teenager!) there is one teacher who if
          you do not say the pledge, you will get detention. I was so appaulled at
          this
          fact I took it to the principal, yet she did nothing either. My friend who
          is
          Hindu and grew up in Trinidad was forced to praise a God she did not believe
          in. (Eventually she just stopped and got about 100 detentions that year)
          THAT
          is what I do not like about America. Because SOME people will not let you
          believe in other religions, and it has to be their way. "we really don't
          care
          how you did things where you came from." Well, we should. America is a
          "melting pot" of so many cultures we could not even count. That is what
          makes
          us special, we have so many different people and ways of life it makes up
          America.

          Janna O'Shea, NY

          ~~~~~~

          Friday...


          I want to know how old B. J. Cassidy is too and if he likes elderly, chic,
          educated, pleasant and demure Texas women.
          Pat R.


          ~~~~~~

          by Philip M. Harter, M.D., of the Stanford University School of Medicine.


          A Village of 100 People
          "If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100
          people with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look
          something like the following:
          57 Asians
          21 Europeans
          14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south
          8 Africans
          52 would be female
          48 would be male
          70 would be nonwhite
          30 would be white
          70 would be non-Christian
          30 would be Christian
          89 would be heterosexual
          11 would be homosexual
          6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth. All 6 would be
          from the United States.
          80 would live in sub-standard housing
          70 would be unable to read
          50 would suffer from malnutrition
          1 would be near death
          1 would be near birth
          1 (yes only one) would have a college education
          1 would own a computer
          When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need
          for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent."


          Dianne

          ~~~~~~

          For Pat who wrote "For B.J. Cassady--mmmmmm looking for a good woman, are
          you?
          How old are you
          B.J.? Patricia B."

          Mentally, I am 17, physcially I feel 35, however according to the calandar,
          I
          am 57.
          I still ride motorcycles (own 4), have little kids pull my finger....errr
          thats another story. I love kids and may
          adopt one. Feel free to email me. Get the info from the buff man.

          BJ Cassady
          Guthrie, Oklahoma


          ~~~~~

          Hi Buffalo,
          It's hard to describe my enjoyment at conversing with you and some of the
          subscribers of your newsletters. I think at some time we all need to open
          up and state our beliefs and agree or disagree with someone on one issue or
          another. I refuse to argue with my wife (which has contributed to the
          longevity of our marriage and she's usually right anyway), so your forum
          gives me the opportunity to speak my mind and receive rebuttals in print
          instead of orally. This is a great concept and someone should have thought
          of it sooner. My first act upon crawling out of bed is putting on coffee.
          The next is bringing a cup of it into my office and reading your letter. By
          the way, I had your picture on here and somehow it disappeared. My wife
          thinks your'e a hunk and wants me to ask you to send it again. Would you do
          that for her? If you lived next door I wouldn't ask, but I figure you're far
          enough away so I don't have to worry about it.
          Your Devoted Reader
          J. Moore

          buffalo says You mean the one the democrats are using for a dartboard hehheh

          ~~~~~~~

          to future king of ohio:

          i suppose you had bumper stickers on your car that say, "my child is an
          honor roll student at akron elementary school."

          and your neighbor probably has one that says, " I had sex with your honor
          roll student!"

          charlillo

          ~~~~~~

          Tracy of Austin wrote:

          I didn't expect flak in response to my asking how someone lives on 1200 a
          month. I responded and thought the sum was 12,000 a year. I did not intend
          for it to sound as though I was criticizing you. You had a question and I
          attempted to answer it. I truly am sorry that it came across differently. If
          you live on 1200 a month in Austin you already know any useful and workable
          money saving tips. You could probably help the rest of us out. I live in a
          town which isn't really a town and there's no one to worry about but me, or
          I couldn't do it. I think the ultimate money saving tip is, you have to
          sometimes go without some things. Your priorities change drastically when
          you go from comfortable to borderline poverty. Been there, done that.
          Anyhow, I didn't want you to think I was critical of you. Not the case.



          IN RESPONSE TO THE LETTER FROM THE CANADIAN, BUFFALO WROTE:Buffalo says I am
          sorry I cannot apologize for
          the actions of Mr.
          Buchanan. To do so would infer that I agreed with
          his comments at
          some point in time. I hold Pat in the same high
          regard I hold the bite
          on my butt.


          Very eloquent, Buff, but I do believe I have more regard for your spider
          bitten butt than I do for this pompous ignoramous. Best thing is to totally
          ignore him. If you listen to him, you will be crazy in no time. I hear
          idiocy is sometimes contagious.



          FINALLY,. FOR GOOD OLD BANDERA JIM WHO WROTE: The jury in the good old US of
          A is the ultimate
          arbiter of what we call
          justice; it's just a God-Damned shame that when
          the lawyers get through
          picking the jury, so many that are left are
          feebs...... (I know, I know, go
          ahead, jump on me with all 5 hooves)!


          BanderaJim


          TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER WRITTEN, JIM. I THANK YOU. WISH I COULD HAVE SAID IT
          THAT WELL.

          Sarah in the sticks in Texas.



          Christmas is weird. What other time of the year do you sit in front of a
          dead tree and eat candy out of your socks? .

          ~~~~~~~

          Hi Buff,
          This is the first time have ever voiced my opinion.
          Farmboy's response to Pat Bucannan's comments, was right on.
          I spent alittle time in the USAF, and envied the Cannuks flying 8,000
          feet above the hottest thing in the USAF at the time, and doing loops.
          I consider the Canadian people the largest group of USA supporters in
          the world. I want them to know that Pat Bucannan is one of the biggest
          A--holes we have to live with, because of our free speech doctrine. His
          supporters are a real small minority, Luckly!
          Canada is the Only country who EVER helped the USA in times of
          trouble.
          We are lucky to have such a good neighbor bordering the lower 48
          Thanks
          RL an old F -105 driver for the USAF

          ~~~~~~~

          To Bandera Jim: Thank you for the reminder, but there
          is one you omitted since you were discusing petit
          juries. The members of a Grand Jury have a right to
          ask questions of their own. Too often the DA tends to
          conveniently forget this and turn them into puppets
          doing his/her bidding.
          Tracey of Austin: One of the best ways to supplement a
          small income is to make use of coupons to reduce the
          price of goods. This is a form of mfg produced food
          stamps except you still have to pay the sales tax.
          Some stores also offer reduced prices for customers
          that sign up as frequent customers.
          Single Parenthood: My wife died leaving me with four
          children from 3 to 17. It was not easy since I am much
          better being the father, part of a pair, than being a
          single parent trying to do more than I was capable of.
          A woman's work, repetitive never ending jobs, is well
          beyond my capacity as a mere male.
          Art

          ~~~~~

          If you don't like your Uncle Sammy
          Then go back to your home o'er the sea.
          To the land from whence you came,
          Whatever be it's name,
          And don't be ungrateful to me.
          If you don't like the stars in Old Glory,
          If you don't like the Red, White and Blue,
          Don't act like the cur in the story
          Don't bite the hand that's feeding you!

          Insert this in the scuttlebutt where people are arguing about "if you
          don't lke it here". Maybe it will shake someone up !!! Vida,
          from Ohio

          Oh my gosh Vida, I love this!!!
          Future King of Ohio
          ~~~~~~~

          Hi Buff,

          Why is it that every time I read the "scuttlebutt" I have this almost
          irresistible urge to click on "write?" I AM an opinionated old SOB, and if
          I don't have an opinion on something, I'll damned sure form one if I think
          just one person will listen.

          Anyway, the opinion of the day is on the subject of "Home Security." In my
          humble opinion the best house gun is the 12 gauge double barrel, loaded with
          "skeet" loads or "bird shot." Mine is sawed off to 14 inches including the
          2 3/4 inch chamber. At that length, the spread is almost immediate. The
          light load lessens the chance that it will penetrate a wall and injure some
          innocent in your home/family. Even with the light load it will definitely
          ruin the day of any malefactor on the receiving end. Sure, it would be nice
          to remove the plugs in a pump or autoloader so you could have more ammo, but
          who needs MORE? Besides, you cannot cut the barrel that short on auto or
          pump guns. BTW, in most states a sawed off shotgun is absolutely legal so
          long as you do not take it outside your own home.


          Dave in Murphy

          ~~~~~~~

          Links For Saturday

          Crackpot Recipes
          http://www.cookingcache.com/crockpot.html

          Granny

          buffalo says Typo or Freudian Slip hehheh

          ~~~~~~

          See how crass the democrats are...
          THEY ARE TAKING AWAY YOUR 2d Amendment..!!

          http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/sumersad1.html

          A New Jersey congressional candidate is airing a campaign commercial that
          uses the image of Beltway Sniper suspect John Allen Muhammad. A gun control
          commercial produced for Democrat Anne Sumers notes that while her Republican
          opponent Scott Garrett "shouldn't be blamed for the sniper," Garrett's
          "positions are the problem." As the 30-second commercial delivers this
          swipe, an image of a mocked-up newspaper story appears, carrying Muhammad's
          photo and the headline, "Sniper suspects held; links to N.J. probed." A
          spokesman for Garrett, who's vying for the House seat of retiring Rep. Marge
          Roukema, blasted the Sumers ad as a "sickening" attempt to exploit the
          sniper murders for votes.

          Don Of Niagara Falls

          ~~~~

          I would appreciate if everyone would do an email to their representative or
          senator. I am tired as a retired veteran being screwed by this government
          just because of a law that was enacted during the civil war. Please help us
          to repeal this antiquated screwing that only the retired servicemember has
          to put up with. If we were vets that were disabled then worked for the
          civil service and then retired we would not be getting this kind of shaft.
          We are the only group of federal retirees being subjected to this crap and
          having to pay for our own disability and the current president who did his
          time in the National Guard in Texas has said that he would veto the approved
          legislation. Let your representative and senator know that they have to
          override anything bush does. Thanks, Troy


          Every Citizen Should be Outraged


          Although opponents have tried to cloud the issue by making misleading
          arguments, legislation to authorize concurrent receipt of military retired
          pay and disability compensation is a matter of simple justice. If a veteran
          earns retired pay by serving faithfully in the Armed Forces for 20 or more
          years but must forfeit a dollar of retired pay for each dollar of disability
          compensation received, our country is in effect paying that disabled veteran
          nothing for the blindness, loss of limbs, paralysis, or other
          service-connected disability he incurred while serving his country. That is
          shameful. The Senate passed provisions to remove this unjust provision in
          law that uses veterans' misfortune of suffering service-connected disability
          as an excuse to strip them of their entitlement to the retired pay they
          earned. However, the Bush Administration has threatened to veto this
          legislation, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives and his key
          lieutenants have refused to obey a motion unanimously adopted by House
          members that instructs House conferees on the bill to agree to the Senate
          provisions. That is shameful. Every citizen should be outraged.

          Send this message to your elected representatives today.

          ~~~~~~~~

          To Peri L. Dwyer, D.C.,
          I always thought that D.C. was where you live, you know, that place where
          the front half of horses are sent for final assembly. I guess that should
          teach me something about assuming something about someone just by what they
          say.

          Greatscottz

          ~~~~~



          Pul I am at a loss to understand your logic-

          I think you are unintentionally twisting what people say-

          many people acknowledge Jesus was a goodman, but do not believe he is the
          Saviour or the son of God. That is legitimate, and does not make anyone
          liars.

          I have never heard anyone say He is good but I don't believe in him as your
          letter suggests

          DoI misunderstand?

          BJ
          ~~~~~

          <<I am reminded of Arthur C Clarke's story of the 9 billion
          names of God. A group of monks are compiling a list of all the true names of
          God that will signal the end of the world. It would seem that job would last
          an eternity but the monks hire two computer programmers. Pretty insightful
          writing for 1953 , the year after I was born.>>


          I rememeber that story. They watched the stars blinking out, etc. I
          went back and read that a few times, trying to understand more. Art could
          say a lot with just a few words, couldn't he?! Wasn't 2001, A Space
          Odyssey, just a few pages?


          I remember the tale. they set up a computer in a cave in the hills, started
          compiling the million names of god, but for the last illusive name. i cannot
          remember where from. deepest darkest somewhere. the stars started blinking
          out one by one...

          reminds me of another one, and i hope we are reading the same highschool
          textbook...

          the guy finds out he is a bot. and has a tape running inside his body that
          creates his reality. he starts editing the tape and all sorts of wierd
          things start to happen. the point was that given the variables one has, and
          the possible outcome of tampering with these variables can have drastic
          consequences. republican to the max. school books rock!

          Troll

          ~~~~~

          RELIGION

          As far as I am concerned, I have the last word on the subject.

          By definition, there can only be Creator, all others are copy cats and
          rip-off artists. Therefore, if we are referring to the Creator of us all,
          we are all referring to the same entity. The name is not important.

          Consider a tour guide. As people leave the bus, the guide measures the
          depth of their sincerity in expressing their appreciation. It matters not if
          some call him Joe, or George, or Jesse, or Jose. If each one expressing
          sincere appreciation calls him by a different name, I don't think he would
          be offended.

          As far as "religion" goes, remember that Jesus, Mohammed, and ALL the rest
          came AFTER the creation. Therefore, our thanks should be reserved for our
          Creator, by whatever name you choose to call him/her/it.

          Mike Farrell
          Cagayan de Oro
          Philippines

          ~~~~~

          RELIGION

          As far as I am concerned, I have the last word on the subject.

          By definition, there can only be Creator, all others are copy cats and
          rip-off artists. Therefore, if we are referring to the Creator of us all,
          we are all referring to the same entity. The name is not important.

          Consider a tour guide. As people leave the bus, the guide measures the
          depth of their sincerity in expressing their appreciation. It matters not if
          some call him Joe, or George, or Jesse, or Jose. If each one expressing
          sincere appreciation calls him by a different name, I don't think he would
          be offended.

          As far as "religion" goes, remember that Jesus, Mohammed, and ALL the rest
          came AFTER the creation. Therefore, our thanks should be reserved for our
          Creator, by whatever name you choose to call him/her/it.

          Mike Farrell
          Cagayan de Oro
          Philippines

          ~~~~~~~~

          J Moore

          Your email talk's about "In God We Trust" being on our money and our
          national motto, but you have to recognize that it was only put there in
          1954, and it was placed there expressly as a religious statement by
          fundamentalists in government. The senators and congressmen that fought to
          get it included made that absolutely clear in their arguments at the time.
          The "Founding Fathers" could have included it and wisely chose not to. The
          wisdom of those that created the U.S. government as a secular institution
          was not a party to that phrase being included on our currency, and citing
          its presence is not a proof of anything except modern government's ignoring
          the express choices of the founders.
          Jack, Runnerup Southeast Asian War Games

          ~~~~

          To Joan,

          I feel sorry for you for being so arrogant. All religions are based on
          Primordial Myths. I am sure you don't understand this concept, so I will
          explain:

          Every religion has their stories about saviors and miracles - The purpose of
          these "stories" are to send a message. Point being - It doesn't matter
          whether the stories are true - the message that they are sending are what is
          important.

          And, if Jesus were alive today, he would be the first person to tell you how
          ignorant you really are because you are not practicing what he preached. I
          think he would refer to you as a "hypocrite."

          charlillo

          ~~~~~~~~~


          Does the U.S.A. have an official language? If not, why not?
          It appears that many legal or official papers are half English and half
          spanish. Why?

          Gerard
          Yes but it's not inforced because it discriminates against minorities.
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          Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories
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            Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
            ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
            sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
            useful info was spread )

            Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
            due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
            profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
            Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind


            Hey Buff,
            Years ago I hard a severe pain in the butt, probably similar to the
            problem you are now having. I got a divorce, very expensive, but overnight,
            the pain was gone. However, my pain was caused by a two legged creature
            rather than an eight legged one! Rose

            ~~~~

            Heyyyyyy, BJ....

            boy, do i know whereof you speak... age (chronologically) is just the time
            spent on the planet ! I personally am abit older than you, like by 5, but I
            dont feel it... I think like I'm in my 20's, look like I'm in my 40's and
            plan on hanging around till I'm waaaaay up there... Ya see, its all in your
            head. Think young, you'll be young. Dont dwell on what all has
            aged/changed... enjoy what is still working and believe you me, alot still
            is !!!! I can see you feel the same... good to hear it .... When someone
            hands me the Senior Citizen menu, I just laugh... ya, my hair is white...
            always did want to be a blonde, think its too late? LOL Alot of ppl are
            fooled by my voice, my unwrinkled skin, my attitude... have had some say,
            wish their moms were more like me... Well, get to working on it while you
            are still younger... I'll leave ya with my favorite motto... "Life's a
            kite.... fly it !!" CYA on down the road, BJ...


            kitten

            ~~~~~

            KFC
            Buffalo, how could you let her get away with that? How cute was she??
            She did shoddy work and you let her get away with it, that's not fair to
            you, other patrons or herself for that matter, you should of ate your
            dinner and either gone back to the establishment or called the manager,
            did you check your bill for extra charges? What if that was Buffy
            working there and she came home and told you she got chewed out at work
            because she messed up somebodies order?? knowing you l know you wouldn't
            of sided with her, she was hired to preform a service and you either do
            the job right or go work elsewhere!! l use to have your attitude but not
            anymore as it happens way to much today, nobody cares and i'm so tired
            of poor service! okay thanks for letting me get that off my
            chest...LynnLynn

            ~~~~~~~~~

            (From J. Moore)

            "I would like to suggest to Leo that BanderaJim has a very valid point. The
            30/06 in a hand gun is a helluva hand full for a hefty youngster, much less
            an elderly person. I would suggest stepping down a couple of notches. I'm
            not even sure the 30/06 is available, but you could get a .223 or .270
            barrel, either of which will handle a deer just fine. Still a healthy kick
            one-handed."

            Dear J. Moore, I didn't intend to give the impression that a 30/06 cal.
            handgun was even an aberrant thought in someone's twisted mind ! I certainly
            don't want to shoot one, and I enjoy .44 Mags & .30 Herretts! (but I don't
            shoot 'em one-handed!)

            I shoot a 14" barrel T/C pistol in Cal. .223, & do NOT recommend it as a
            deer cartridge anywhere around where buffalos roam; you will have WAY too
            many wounded, pissed-off deer out there looking for you. T/C does barrel
            for the venerable 30/30, .the 44 Mag & the 7x30 Waters (under-rated, in my
            opinion). They do not, to my knowledge, barrel for .270. I hunt deer/hogs
            etc. with a handgun; I do not recommend it to everyone. In my experience,
            not many people shoot that well & Ol' Jim has probably put 50,000 rounds
            down one pistol barrel or another over a span of 50 years of shooting.

            Single shot pistols of any persuasion are NOT the weapon of choice for
            self-defense. Depending on the individual's level of expertise, I would
            lean toward revolvers in the largest caliber you can comfortably shoot ( if
            it's uncomfortable to practice with, how good are you gonna be with it? (You
            ARE gonna practice, aren't you?)

            Shotguns would be the best, but they're a little unwieldy in the confines of
            a home. Semi-autos are problematic for some people; I can't remember when
            last my old 1911A1 .45 ACP jammed, but the poor old thing has been so
            customized and slicked up it probably can't recognize it's own ass.....


            BanderaJim


            ~~~~~~~

            To B.J. Cassidy: Ride on Brother. I'm chronologicly 58 years but I ride an
            old 83 Iron Head Sportster ( Tired Iron). Age is nothing more than a state
            of mind. I am known locally as the "Bird Watcher". Sit on a perch at the
            local drinking Old Crow or Wild Turkey and watch young chicks. A lady friend
            down under asked me if I had found a Harlot for my Harley. Difference she
            says betwixt a Harley and a Hoover is the position of the "Dirtbag". Was
            that supposed to be a compliment? or an Insult?


            General Comment to all contibuters to the scuttlebutt:

            B.J, Don of Niagra Falls, and the Buffalo of course as well as a lot of
            other contributers have seen more countries by accident than a lot of you
            have seen on purpose. We have experienced things that you only read about or
            perhaps dreamed about. I for one spent a cumulative time of nearly twelve
            years in the Orient, Military and as a Civilian Contractor but I have also
            been in nine countries in Europe either working or traveling. I have been in
            all of the 50 of the USA, worked in twenty, passed through the rest but have
            always tried to respect customs and cultures no matter where I have been.

            Like the old song says, Why don't we try a little Kindness, overlook the
            blindness, of the narrow minded people on the narrow minded streets.

            Oldcat

            ~~~~~~~~~


            For David in Ga: I use Earthlink also and haven't had a problem until
            recently when for some reason anything with an attachment is
            "flagged" and cannot be opened. This is in Outlook Express. Do you
            know how I could get these attachments "unflagged"? I can send them
            to my other email address at Yahoo and open them there, but really
            would prefer to open them at my Outlook address.

            Maggie in Pa

            ~~~~~~

            Astro's real name was Tralfaz.

            Jay
            ~~~~~~

            Buffalo, Regarding the Jetson's trivia....Astro's real name was Tralfaz
            and Henry Orbit was the janitor. You'd like Jetson era work week..it's only
            three days. <grin> ~~~Mynx
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            buffalo says As Astro would say Tralfaz Yuckkkk
            ~~~~~

            To: Pat from North Tonawanda
            Its too bad you are so blinded by the BS that was thrown at you during the
            clinton years that you can't see the honest decent man in the White House
            now.
            In fact the diatribe you meted out would have gotten you the death sentence
            in most of the rest of the world. So shutta you face and thank G_d you can
            say the crap you do without fear of retribution.

            Chuck in New Port Richey Fl

            buffalo says we hope to foster open discussion n this list and shutta
            you face doesn't do that.. Please comment on thoughts not on the
            person.

            ~~~~~

            To: Don of Niagara Falls

            I REALLY think "jnet from Michigan" needs to visit:

            http://www.alamo-girl.com/ to get a little clearer picture of 'Slick
            Willie'.

            I'm assuming that the 'Two Degrees of Separation' refers to the fact that if
            you weren't farther away that you could wake up dead.... The list of dead
            'Friends of Bill' is pretty damned long....


            BanderaJim

            ~~~~

            Patience vs. Patients.
            >
            >
            i'm weeks behind in reading my e mail, but let's face it it takes lots
            of patience for a new doctor have lots of patients.

            e

            ~~~~~~~

            Jim,
            That is why it is a .45. The 30.06 barrel is too heavy. We are hunting
            deer for the 34th straight year this fall.

            Leo

            ~~~~~~~

            I'm with you on the settlements that the families of the 9/11 victims
            are supposed to be getting. it doesn't seem fair at all that their
            compensation should be determined by their estimated future economic
            loss.

            i understand the government agreed to this so the airlines would not be
            sued for lack of security in allowing the saboteurs to aboard the the
            planes. it would have really ruined the airline industry, which is
            having a hard enough time now.
            that excuse gets the government and the i.n.s. off the hook for ever
            letting them into the country in the first place

            e

            ~~~~~~~

            To: J. Sharpton, Texas, USA

            I assume from the reference to the son going to Oklahoma that you are in
            North Texas. If you were closer to South Texas, you would be more
            understanding of the fact that so many of us have to work two jobs because
            there are so many 'Exchange Students' here from Mexico who think they're
            getting rich working for what we consider starvation wages. If our
            employers had to pay a living wage to get a job done, there would be more
            "Stay at home Moms".

            Not to mention the extra tax liability we incur from having to print the
            election ballots in Spanish....(I don't know why, they can ALL spell
            DEMOCRAT, and recognize the 'Straight Ticket' spot on the ballot!)


            BanderaJim

            ~~~~~~~~

            when i grew up, and i'm past 70, if i used the word wop, sheeny, shanty
            irish or dirty jew , it was as bad as if i said nigger. i got the back
            of my dad's hand. they are all derogatory terms.

            e

            ~~~~~

            Thanks, Mojo for that prayer to a friend -I needed that today.BJ

            ~~~~~

            LADY OR PERSON FROM MICHIGAN -

            Thank you for one of the most ignorant racist remarks I have heard in a
            long time. How do you account for the mentally challenged in this country?
            (And by that I do not mean the truly mentally challenged, for whom I have
            great compassion but the brain-dead by choice).

            God! I hope you do not vote or teach school. Are you related to Avonlea
            (for whom I also do have great compasssion)?

            Lane

            In a message dated 11/3/2002 2:48:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
            buffalo@... writes:




            I have to get this off my chest. First of all everybody wants peace in the
            middle east right? No one knows how to accomplish this right? I do! Stop
            these people from reproducing with their first cousins! They are all
            mentally
            challenged from centuries of this. They will never be able to think or act
            normal until the inbreeding stops

            ~~~~~~


            to future king of ohio:

            i suppose you had bumper stickers on your car that say, "my child is an
            honor roll student at akron elementary school."

            and your neighbor probably has one that says, " I had sex with your honor
            roll student!"

            charlillo

            charlillo,
            First of all, my children attended the Stow Public School System. Secondly,
            one does not put bumper stickers on the Lexus!
            Future King of Ohio

            ~~~~~~

            <<<<...but my grandma told me polite ladies never discuss
            religion, politics or sex in public. What a shame! I am
            an expert on two of them. Dottie in Texas>>>>

            Hey Shipmate, It sure does sound like Dottie's Grandma was/is
            a very smart lady. In the "Wardroom" on US Navy ships, the
            discussion of religion, politics, and sex is forbidden, and
            for good reason. Since the Wardroom is a sanctuary where the
            ship's officers eat, entertain, and relax, it is imperative
            to maintain a sence of decorum and civility. It is also
            interesting to note that I have never seen a "Scuttlebutt"
            installed in a Wardroom either. Lastly, if we're lucky,
            Dottie will tell us what she knows about "sex in public,"
            and that other subject she is an expert on.

            Best regards, Uncle George

            buffalo says My heart goes out to you , I would have loaned you some
            coveralls and smuggled you into the first class lounge where you could have
            had some fun. I can understand the scuttlebutt though , they are probably
            serving Evian there now hehheh Did you ever try the milk
            in the little sterillized by radiation containers .. Tasted great and you
            could store it on the hanger deck. Not to may people drank straight water
            anyhow , too much chlorine and JP-5 for it to taste right bug juice and coke
            hides all..

            ~~~~~

            In God We Trust

            This motto first appeared on US money in 1864 on the 2 cent piece.

            Bob S.

            ~~~~~~

            Howdy Buff,
            This letter is pretty self explanatory. I thought one or two of the
            Scuttlebutt fans might be interested. I have forwarded my feelings to the
            public relations office of the "warriors."

            Dave in Murphy
            ************************************************************
            I have been a police officer in the SF Bay Area for nine years, and I am a
            member of my department's Ceremonial Honor Guard. We perform parades, flag
            presentations, burial services and memorial services for fallen police
            officers, and other ceremonial functions. We perform our services for NO PAY
            (or any other compensation). We do it on our own time, and only for the
            honor of representing our country, our flag, our department, and those who
            have served before us.

            On Friday (11/1/02), we sent a four-man flag detail (including me) to the
            Oakland Arena to present the colors at the Golden State Warriors basketball
            game. This was done as the result of a request by the Golden State Warriors.
            As you might expect, we brought the California flag, the United States flag,
            and two unloaded rifles for the ceremony.

            When we got to the arena, we were asked by Warriors representatives to leave
            the rifles in our car. We were told that the Warriors front office did not
            want to "scare" anyone by having the rifles in the arena. Let me be
            perfectly clear about this...all four members of the Honor Guard are CURRENT
            police officers who were in FULL DRESS UNIFORM, including LOADED handguns.
            As a sidenote, we are ALL former military (2 Army, 2 Marine Corps) with over
            50 years of military experience between us.

            Our commander told the Warriors front office that we were prepared to do the
            presentation of the colors WITH the rifle element, but as a matter of
            principle, we would not go on without them. The Warriors front office left
            us in limbo for about an hour, before telling us they would not be needing
            our services that evening. We rolled up our flags, and left without delay.

            I am still a bit in shock. Have we gotten to the point in this country that
            the sight of four uniformed police officers holding unloaded rifles in a
            ceremonial flag presentation causes panic among the public? To those in the
            Warriors front office, it seems we have. What a shame.

            - Jeff Snell

            - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
            Now I know you readers of the "Scuttlebutt" are not the kind of people who
            want to post your opinions, but if you were that kind of person, you could
            send your email remarks to the Warrior's public relations office at this
            address: pr@...

            buffalo says I am speechless , I loved California at one time.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~
            Hi Buffalo, I would like to take this opportunity to thank J Sharpton of
            Texas for her note. I, too, am a working mother with two children. My
            husband and I have been told countless times how lucky we are to have two
            children who are pleasures to be around. Each year when we attend their
            parent/teacher conferences, our children are characterized as model
            students, both academically and socially.

            To Laura White and the other stay at home moms, I applaud you for what you
            do. It just doesn't work out that way for everybody.

            After reading the Scuttlebutt this week, I can't help but to think about my
            neighbors who send their children to a private Catholic school and the mom
            doesn't work....can't tell you how many times she has come to visit
            exasperated because she has received "yet another call" due to problems at
            school....and to think that we were looked at like uncaring parents because
            I work and we send our children to a public school !

            By the way, great job Buffalo!!!

            T in Ohio

            ~~~~~~~


            Right on OLDCAT. My thoughts on religion exactly!

            But enough about religion, politics & guns. I need advice about a very itchy
            problem... FLEAS! We have them again, yes I used Frontline. I had to treat
            the cats later than the dog because 1 of the cats had wounds from a fight so
            the cats were treated about 1 1/2 weeks after the dog. The poor dog is still
            scratching like a banchee. I would like to treat them with something
            non-toxic. I bought Raid flea spray & will use that & Frontline again if all
            else fails. One thing that did work was nemotodes but it is too late in the
            season to use them outside, winter will kill them. Anybody have any ideas?
            No, I will not shoot the dog! And I will not bomb the house, I did that a
            few years ago every 3 weeks & I think we all started to glow in the dark.
            Thanks barbjare nj P.S. The cats are no longer allowed to go out. It seems
            like every time they all go to the Vets they come back with fleas

            ~~~~~~

            Thanks Don of Niagara Falls, and you too Buff. I usually agree that meddling
            only hurts everyones feeling but now I've been asked to check up on the guy
            in question. It seems he claims he was in the Army for 3 years, during which
            he served in Ft. Benning, Ft. Brag,the Gulf, Japan and in South America. And
            his MOS was "sniper" he was given and honory discharge cause he got burnt in
            a magnesium fire in South American. He was asked if he planned to get any
            schooling with his benefits and replied that he "couldn't get them because
            of the fire"
            According to a Nam vet there is no MOS for snipers and he seriously
            doubts that any one unit would move around that much in just 3 years unless
            they were Special Forces or Intelligence. I'll check at the local
            Courthouse, but also was told that a lot of the guys never registered after
            their time in Nam. Don thanks for the link but all I get is "there is no
            such page etc etc. I'll try it again tomorrow too.
            But for the life of me I can't figure out why a guy would tell such
            tales? It's an honor to serve your country, but if you are 4F or have
            health problems there are other ways to serve with out making up stories.
            On another point My Grandma had what I considered to be the ultimate
            answer for any one who doubted the existance of God. She just patted their
            hand and smiled and said "It dosen't matter if you believe in God or not, He
            believes in you." This statement usually brought one of several replies all
            saying in effect "Prove it" to which she replied "You are breathing aren't
            you?" and moved away to do soome chore or other.

            ~~~~~~

            To: Farmboy

            As an American I have always thought Canada was the best neighbor to have.
            They have been for many many years and except for the "Country of Quebec"
            (at least they think they are) I have enjoyed the people of Canada and their
            hospitality.

            I am troubled however by the "socialist" leanings the Canadian government
            currently holds. I am also appalled at the lax attitude that the Canadian
            government has towards immigration, especially post 9/11. There is a strong
            reluctance to grasp the seriousness of letting anyone into Canada without
            papers and no tracking at all especially since the 3000 mile border between
            our countries is virtually unguarded.

            I do not make any excuses for the INS in our country. They are a bumbling
            bunch of idiots. The things that have occurred here post 9/11 with the INS
            is horrendous...pilot license approvals for a dead terrorist, the sniper
            teen and many many more. The Mexican border is a travesty. Small as it is
            however, we are trying to shape that excuse for an agency into one that will
            do its job. If it were up to me, many heads would have rolled.

            Chuck of New Port Richey, FL

            ~~~~~

            Buffalo

            I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this mail is going to open up a
            HUGE topic, of which NONE of this letter really applies to. All I want to do
            is point out how incongruous some of our laws are and the positions they
            stand on.

            Here in sunny Louisiana, way back in early 1999, the legislature passed a
            law that allowed the manufacturing and selling of license plates for
            vehicles with "Choose Life" as the sub-title of said plate (and as I
            understand it, some pro-life agency was to receive partial payments from the
            purchase of each of these plates.). Well.. Long story short, it went all the

            way to the LA Supreme Court for a ruling (separation of Church and State
            kinda thing). They ruled in favour of the tags, and this past Friday the LA
            Motor Vehicle Department started selling these tags.

            My problem with the whole thing is, if the state can sell Pro-Life plates,
            why can't they sell Pro-Choice plates????

            I know Florida went through a very similar issue in the fall of 2000, and
            have no idea what ever became of that one; anyone know, let me in on it.

            Don't get me wrong, the whole pro-life, pro-choice issue is not really one
            for me. I have my beliefs, so this message is NOT about that issue at all;
            lets PLEASE refrain from that particular topic. PLEASE!

            Now ain't that the truth. Infact it should say more then just pro choice, it
            should say "Yeah! You Got A Choice Alright, Whether You Get Pregnant Or
            Not". Less then 2% of all abortions are done for rape or incest, that makes
            Choice the key word. But then I guess that would be too big to put on a
            license plate. And there wouldn't be room for "Unborn Babies Don't Get A
            Choice" either, So, your right the whole thing is just not fair.

            Mary

            ~~~~~~

            Hi Buff,
            I am a single mother, but wasn't an unwed mother.There are many
            many reasons for single parenthood. Mine was abuse. I know I did the right
            thing for my children by leaving there alcoholic, abusive father. I have
            been on my own for 9 yrs now raising 4 kids. Its tough......no one said it
            would be easy, but we are happy and safe. This so called man hasn't so much
            as paid a dime since I left him. I'm still working on that though and one
            day he will pay. Not because I am vindictive but because I did not have
            these children by myself. He does work @ various jobs under the table so its
            hard to catch him. I don't understand how a man or a woman for that matter
            can abandon there children financially.It blows me away. It's almost like
            his kids never existed, no phone calls on birthdays or Christmas.....its so
            sad for the kids. One day he will have to answer to this......
            Anne from Ontario

            ~~~~~~


            I am in such total agreement with this young man and were it not such a
            chancy thing to do today I would say

            AMEN and GOD SPEED!! I find it ridiculous that people suggest Moslem should
            take off their scarves or other personal distinctive articles to prove they
            are good Americans; they should have a testament in which they disavow any
            allegiance to Islam and swear allegiance to the US. As you say, itis easy
            to
            get angry when someone says they hate the US and imagine how those Moslems
            here feel (not the militants) when they hear the US say 'we hate Moslems.'

            The scarves or whatever or the long dresss (burkka?) have nothing to do with
            Islam, and are only traditional - and on theother hand - despite the fact
            that we have had an American Jew in our govt spying for Israel (Pollack), it
            never occurred to me to suggest that Jews should discard their yarmulka
            (spelling), stand up and prove their allegiance to the US - there were some
            pretty sick Christians in Texas a while back, but no one is suggesting we
            take off our crosses, discard our rosary beads, etc.

            The worst thing we do in these days is to forget there is a person behind
            that label. Or worse yet, fight among ourselves.The way it is going it is
            going to be us against the world, so we all need each other.

            Lane


            "

            Normally I would never consider ever writing to any newsgroup, but the
            letter from Shanavas has lit the fire under my ass. Having been born in
            1973 I "grew up" with President Reagan and his campaign against the "Evil

            <snip>
            The tone of this newsgroup is distinctly negative. Shanavas, you are
            asking (I infer) people to respond rationally to an irrational event like
            September 11th and it just is not going to happen. If the Muslim community
            in America wants to be fully accepted then all they can do is keep living
            their lives, resist the taunts of fools, try to explain Islamic beliefs
            whenever possible, and integrate themselves into American society as much as
            possible no matter how long it takes. You can only do so much. Nothing is
            going to change overnight.

            Kevin J. Tobin
            Champaign, Illinois

            ~~~~~~

            Hi Buffalo, I turned 60 this yr. Since my husband reached 62, (we are going
            over to the other side of the tax dollar in the yrs ahead) I have agonized
            over changing back to voting democrat. This yr I finally got to the point
            where I was really comfortable with doing so & was committed to voting DFL.
            Then came the Wellstone "memorial" service. I was appalled when they
            announced that our country's vice president -who planned to attend the event
            our of respect for Wellstone- would not be welcome to attend the event.
            They said the family felt Chaney's presence would turn it in to a political
            event & they did not want that . Then, at this "memorial" they booed Trent
            Lott who had traveled 2000 miles to show his respect by attending it.
            The people in that croud do not paint an accurate picture of the people
            of Minnesota. The people of Minnesota are far more decent than those people
            depicted us to be. I suspect alot of the crass behavior of that crowd
            reflected the character of the Democratic National Committee, not that of
            MN. Their actions convinced me that I have too high of standards to support
            people like that. So, I can not in good judgement vote for a single
            Democrat on Tuesday. Thanks for letting me vent. mg

            ~~~~~~~~

            Hi Buff,
            I just have some comments regarding parking in handicapped spots. It is a
            proven fact that walking is one of the best forms of exercise there is.
            With all the money that people spend on exercise equipment, health club
            memberships and other forms of weight loss programs it continually amazes me
            that these same people will park in the closest spot they can find, even if
            it is a handicapped spot. With so many of us battling the bulge, (myself
            included), you'd think we would all be fighting over the parking spots that
            are the farthest distance away. Would make a lot more sense! Maybe we can
            start a new trend.
            Have a good one! Rose


            ~~~~~~

            I won't attempt to sway your vote to a particular party affiliation. I
            won't insult your intelligence.
            If I can make just one suggestion. Please don't be swayed by the major
            attitude that tying Social Security to the stock market, as in
            "private-sizing it" is a smart idea. Think a minute what shape it would be
            in these past couple years as our major stocks tumbled to pennies on the
            dollar of their former value.
            I've heard experts say for years that any congress in it's right mind would
            NEVER let Social Security "go under" on their watch as it would be a sure
            sign of their defeat on the very next election.
            That aside, please, sizing exercise your RIGHT to cast your vote in the
            election. Take a little time to look at the issues mentioned by the
            candidates in your particular voting district and cast your vote. Your one
            vote could be the difference between a total idiot winning over a deserving
            candidate. I've read that some elections only bring out about FIVE PERCENT
            of the eligible votors and that small group decides who ultimately runs our
            government. Look at the number of countries where that simple vote we take
            for granted is denied to the citizens (or "subjects", if you will). Voting
            is a right. Use it or lose it.

            Terry from Indiana

            ~~~~~~~

            Dear Granny (et al),

            I (a male) was a single parent for many years. Are there any other Men who
            were "Single Parent" out there.
            --
            Don of Niagara Falls

            ~~~~~~

            Dear Canadians,

            I live in Niagara Falls, NY, and receive at least 3 Canadian TV chanels.
            Sometimes I agree and sometimes I disagree with your journalist. But, I do
            appreciate their opinions. You are our closest neighbor, in more ways than
            one. Please forgive people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Buchanan for they know
            not what they do.
            --
            Don of Niagara Falls

            ~~~~~~~~~


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            "I think the Democrats should hang their head in shame."

            - Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura on Tuesday's "memorial" service for Sen.
            Wellstone

            **********************************
            Depends On Your Definition of "Memorial"

            "Though it was billed as a memorial service, many irate viewers and
            Republican leaders said the gathering for U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone and five
            others degenerated at times into a blatant political rally. 'What a
            complete, total, absolute sham,' said Vin Weber, a former U.S.
            representative from Minnesota. 'The DFL clearly intends to exploit
            Wellstone's memory totally, completely and shamelessly for political gain.
            To them, Wellstone's death, apparently, was just another campaign event.'

            "...State House Speaker Steve Sviggum, R-Kenyon, said it was disrespectful
            that the crowd cheered when former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Hillary
            Rodham Clinton and Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., appeared on the big monitors
            and that the crowd jeered when U.S. Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott,
            R-Miss., and former GOP Sen. Rod Grams of Minnesota were on the screens.

            "A speech by Rick Kahn, one of Wellstone's closest friends, shifted the tone
            of the event from memorial service to full-throated, foot-stomping,
            fist-pumping political rally. He urged the crowd to 'stand up for all the
            people he fought for . . . for working men and women . . . for all those who
            lack the strength to stand up on their own.' His words brought thousands to
            their feet.

            "TV cameras then panned to a beaming Walter Mondale, Wellstone's likely
            replacement in the U.S. Senate race, which brought more cheers. 'If Paul
            Wellstone's legacy comes to an end, then our spirits will be crushed and we
            will drown in a river of tears,' a clearly emotional Kahn said. 'We are
            begging you, do not let that happen. We are begging you to help us win this
            Senate election for Paul Wellstone.'

            "...It was during Kahn's speech that Gov. Jesse Ventura and First Lady Terry
            Ventura got up shaking their heads and walked out. Lott also walked out
            during the service."

            - Star Tribune, 10/30/02

            ***********************************
            Conduct Unbecoming

            "Senators Kennedy, Kerry, Daschle, Clinton and many other socialists, led by
            Paul Wellstone's son, turned the get-together for the deaths of Paul and
            Sheila Wellstone and their daughter into a full-blown POLITICAL RALLY, one
            of the most disgusting and offensive displays I have ever heard of in my
            entire 63 years on this earth.

            "Vice President Cheney should be thanking his lucky stars that he was not
            there, and will not be associated with this demonstration of total lack of
            class and respect. I only pray that there are enough Democrat voters left
            with an iota of dignity to wreak havoc on those who attended."

            - News & Views readers Mr. and Mrs. Alan Huber of Sioux Falls, SD

            ************************************
            Send in the Clowns

            The Wellstone family declined an offer by Vice President Dick Cheney to
            attend the "memorial" service for Sen. Wellstone claiming they didn't want
            the "circus" that would have surrounded the Secret Service protections that
            would have been involved. Sounds somewhat reasonable. Until you consider
            the actual circus the event turned into . . . and the fact that former
            President Clinton and former Vice President Gore were both allowed to attend
            with their contingent of security forces. How revolting this whole thing
            was. Paul Wellstone didn't deserve to be treated this way, especially by
            his own friends and followers. What a sick joke.

            Don of Niagara Falls





            ~~~~~~~~~

            Warning Contains some Mature Language.


            THE SAGA OF THE BED PAN

            (NOTE: I¹m going to attempt to relate an event that happened to me in Viet
            Nam in April 1970. I ask your indulgence and to excuse my spelling in some
            cases. It¹s all true. And, writing this has helped me.)

            It¹s Monday morning and we (Me (CPT Sipe), SGT Bollanger, and an ARVN Inf
            Bn) are conducting a sweep near the ³Wagon Wheel² (an intersection of 6
            canals at the bottom of the Plain of Reeds) in the Delta, Viet Nam. An ARVN
            Regional/Provincial Forces (Ruf/Puf) unit had been overrun the night before.
            We had just crossed a canal, when the world decided to fall in upon us.
            Mayhem and chaos were in order. They (a NVA Bn), We were all in and around
            each other. Tracers in all directions and some hand to gland going on.

            Out of the corner of my eye, I see a figure rise up and throw something in
            my direction. I ducked to keep the object of from hitting me; it sailed over
            my left shoulder. As I ducked, I swiveled and pulled the trigger on my
            CAR-15, full automatic, and saw the figure fall. The blast from the hand
            grenade propelled me several feet forward and I awoke just as they were
            loading me onto a helicopter. ³Cowboy 22², a resupply copter, happened to be
            in the area and was the first to respond to the ³US Down², within 5 minutes.

            We¹re airborne. I¹m sitting up in a passenger seat and the Crew Chief is
            looking more scared than me. He hands me a cigarette; its not like in the
            movies folks, it tasted like shit. My left leg is shaking and trying to do a
            dance by itself. I feel a pain in my back and reach around. I feel something
            sticking out of my back over my left shoulder blade. It was causing me some
            discomfort so I pulled it out and stuck it in my shirt pocket. It was about
            an inch and a half long piece of metal that reminded me of a 7 penny nail.

            Anyway, I¹m getting comfortable with the idea that nothing is missing and
            that I¹m going to live. When I notice another copter come up along side of
            us. I see ³my² pilot stick his arm out the window and give the other copter
            a ³third finger salute². The Crew Chief hands me his headset and the pilot
            tells me that that was ³Dustoff² and they wanted him to land and transfer me
            to them. He (Cowboy 22) figured that he was more than half way to the
            hospital and landing and transferring me was a waste of time. I agreed, as I
            watched the blood drip from my leg.

            We proceeded and landed on the pad at the 3rd Surgical Hospital (Navy), Chan
            Tho, IV Region, in the middle of a monsoon. Two Orderlies and a gurney, with
            a litter on top, met us at the pad. They off loaded me onto the gurney and
            started to push me into the hospital. But, the Crew Chief yelled, one of the
            Orderlies return to the copter and retrieved my ruck sack and threw it upon
            my left leg. I made a reference to whether his mother and father were
            married or not and they proceeded to push me into the hospital.

            When we entered the hospital ER, I noticed some ³saw horses² spaced about
            the room. They proceeded to the middle of the room, lifted me and litter off
            the gurney onto a pair of the saw horses. Where upon a group of people
            descended upon me. Asking questions, cutting off my clothes and boots (I
            protested about the boots. I had been Nam for several months and had just
            gotten a new pair of boots.) I knew exactly where I hurt and tried to
            explain to them where, but they kept cutting, prodding, poking, etc.. One of
            them handed me a piece of metal: ³It fell out of your leg.²

            ³Thanks, put it with the other piece in my shirt.²

            Off down the hall to X-Ray. Head to foot. No more metal. Back to ER. I wait.
            All this time I¹m on the same litter that they took me off the copter onto.
            Wet! Rain from the monsoon, blood from my wounds, and who knows what else.
            Now I wait.

            A Doc comes in to announce that the X-Rays did not show anymore metal, but??
            What?? Spots on the bottom of my lungs. WTFO... Another Doc from across the
            room saunders over and looks at the X-Rays. ³Are you from the Ohio Valley?²
            ³Yes.² ³Don¹t worry.² ³Wait, just a God Damn minute.² ³No, really, not a
            problem. There is a lot of limestone dust in the Ohio Valley and high
            humidity. This combination causes a harmless fungus to grow in some people¹s
            lungs. You just happen to be one of the lucky ones.² ³Thanks for nothing.²
            (I have spent a lot of time since trying to convince people that the spots
            on my lungs are harmless.)

            While they are waiting for an OR to open up, I¹m waiting on the ³wet² litter
            in the ER. Suddenly they bring in two more guys and put one on each side of
            me. They are working feverishly on them, poking tubes down their throats,
            etc..
            I ask what happened to them. ³Oh, they visited a whore house and drank some
            poisoned wine.² ³Excuse Me. I just got my ass shot off and would like to be
            moved to another location.² They moved me to another room.

            Finally OR, clean wounds, dress wounds, and send me to the Recovery Ward.
            (NOTE: Due to the danger of infections in the air in Viet Nam, the common
            practice was to clean out the wounds, leave them open (to air out), and to
            close them later.)

            The Recovery Ward where I ended up at had three types of patients: those who
            would return the duty within 10 days, those who would require more than 10
            days of hospitalization (usually ship to the States), and those who were
            going to die (no need to ship to another hospital).

            Now it is time to give a little background information. Malaria was a
            problem in Nam. So, each of us had to take medication to prevent Malaria.
            The medication consisted of a large orange pill (about the size of your
            thumb nail). Most everyone took the ³orange bomb² on Monday morning. The
            pill worked great, except that it had a side effect. It caused the ³shits.²
            The war stopped every Monday because everyone was in the toilet. And!! Your
            body adjusted to the cycle. It seemed that your body would save, knowing
            that on Monday, it was going to get ³cleaned² out.

            Back to my story, remember I was wounded on Monday (after I had take my
            pill). I was placed in a bed in the Recovery Ward. Now let me try to paint a
            picture. The grenade had wounded me in my left leg and my left shoulder
            blade. I had dressed open wounds in these locations. I was in a semi
            reclined position, not able to put any pressure on my left leg and left
            shoulder. And, had an IV in my left arm. Got the picture?

            And, I¹ve got to shit. I ring for the nurse. Short black headed nurse from
            Boston (who's husband is a Marine in Ka Shanh (sp)) responds. ³I need to go
            to the bathroom.² ³You cannot get out of bed, Doc¹s orders.² ³You do not
            understand, I NEED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!² ³Sorry, Doc¹s orders.²

            She proceeds to give me a bed pan, a roll of toilet paper, and pulls the
            curtain around me. And, before she left, helps me get upon the bed pan. Now,
            remember its been almost a week since I¹ve shit. So I start. And, I shit,
            and shit, and shit; when it touched the bottom of my ass, I pinched it off.
            Now what?

            I tried to maneuver myself into a position to ³clean² myself. But, not being
            able to use my left leg and arm made that difficult. So, I took the roll of
            toilet paper (in my left hand) and rolled several rolls around my right
            hand. I tried to lever myself into a position to clean myself, but, was
            unable to. So I reached down between my legs (from the front). When I could
            feel the moisture touch my hand, I realized that that was not going to work.

            At that moment the unbelievable happened. Some how in trying to twist myself
            into position, I apparently applied pressure where it should not have been
            applied. The bed pan slipped (flipped) out from underneath me, turned upside
            down, and landed upon my groin area.

            I pushed the ³Nurse Call² button and she spent the next 2 hours cleaning me
            and my bed.

            The next time I called a nurse and stated that I needed to got the the
            toilet, they brought me a wheel chair with a rack over the top to hang the
            IV and told me the toilet was, ³The first door on the right.²

            P.S. I spent 10 days in the hospital and returned to duty. I have several
            other ³funny¹ stories of my stay in the hospital, but, they are for another
            time. One last note: when I was released, I went down to supply to pick up
            my items. They could not find my things (clothes, metal frags, etc.). They
            handed me a uniform and boots and stated that that person did not need them
            anymore. I got new uniforms and boots as soon as possible.
            --
            Don of Niagara Falls

            ~~~~~~~

            Spider Bite

            You need to be really, really careful. If that bite was from a brown recluse
            spider, they are nasty. I had a friend that got bit on the hip. Then the
            infection moved to his foot. Then it moved to his neck. He spent many weeks
            in the hospital and the third time carried around a bag of antibiotics and a
            pump for several months. Doctors and the general public greatly under-rate
            the seriousness of a brown recluse bite. In fact my wife's sister has had an
            open wound on her foot for over a year now, they think that was a brown
            recluse too. Bottom line: if it doesn't start getting better, go back to the
            doctor pronto.

            Don

            ~~~~~~~


            Hi Buff,

            I think my email had made a slight confusion, first of all I am not a Muslim
            nor a Christian, I don't have a religion.

            Chris from down south did make several points, the unprovoked murder of
            non-mulsim in Aceh, Bali, Rwanda, Sudan and so on.

            World is changing and it never stopped changing, like I said, the Christian
            did horrible things for centuries before, then they woke up and say "hey we
            can't no longer do this if we want to preach the right way", so the Nazi
            pops up and exterminate millions of Jews, far exceed what other religion had
            done in terms of death and the span of time, this was between their conquest
            and their downfall. Now we got Muslim, they look around, felt taken
            advantage of, they start to preach a different version of Islam so as to
            make a difference and make a point, and then chaos reign.

            The carnage in Indonesia, all of this caused by ... ? my personal opinion is
            this is made by one man and one man only, that's Suharto, he played the
            majority Muslim in the lower class against the middle class and the upper
            class that are non-Muslim, when he left the office, people believe in what
            they were told for years, in such a way that when payback time came, they
            didn't think twice, they looted the Chinese shops, hack the non Muslim to
            death, threaten the westerner. By the way the westerner do have a part in
            this carnage don't you think so? to build the oil exploration, mining
            concession, they have to ass-kiss Suharto and pay bribes, which is indirect
            cause of the economic collapse and ForEx outflow, to the point the lower
            class Muslim couldn't figure out who was the real culpit. Like you said they
            got their education from church and temples, they couldn't comprehend whats
            real and fiction, they couldn't process the logical reasoning.

            Same as Serbia, the Muslim was played against the Christian, but in this
            scenario, it's the Muslim who were driven off and masacare, not the other
            way around. This is how luncatic keep their power and control, by dividing
            the enemy and playing them against each other.

            Iran? well didn't the American protect Shah, provide Shah with the best
            weapons, intelligence, pamper him, in exchange for what? OIL, the root of
            all 20th century evil. At the same time as a puppet to check the growth of
            communist and middle East radicals. Shah was push off the throne, just like
            Batista of Cuba, the Viet,, when the people no longer see comfort, when have
            and have-not are ocean apart, when there are no middle class, people will
            revolt against the top and radical/fundamentalist/communist will move in.

            A lot of misery in the world are commited by the powerful, then they play
            the victims against one another, then blame all of this to the radicals, all
            comes to one basic pattern - EXPLOITATION.

            Do you think if these Muslim doesn't have oil in their country, will they
            breed the radical/fundamentalist people such as Bin Laden?

            My boss always tell me one thing, in every incident, there's always two
            sides of the story, one of this story is more likely to be biased.

            Again just to make things clear, I don't hate any religion nor any race, all
            I am saying that too much bashing with bias opinion will not open your eyes
            and make you see the real pictures.

            Annelop

            ~~~~~

            Dear Tom,

            You're probably right, I do remember the "Woodie" was rotted out a little,
            you could see daylight through the sides.
            --
            Don of Niagara Falls

            ~~~~

            Dear hummy,

            I did a web search and could not find a Monkingbird Hill and I do not
            remember anything like that in Southern Ind, but, there were lots and lots
            of local barn dances. Could it be that you are remembering a song named
            "Mockingbird Hill" sung by Patti Paige? Go to this site (allow time for the
            music to load) and see if it brings back some memories:

            http://www.whistlingtom.com/pages/mockingbd.html

            Ah!!! French Lick (and West Baden), Indiana (Yes, Buffalo readers there
            really is a town named French Lick, just ask Larry Byrd where he played his
            high school baslketball.); I've been there many times. Is that grand
            (Sheraton?) hotel (where Al Capone would spend his summers) still open?

            No musical talent in my family, but, that did not mean we did not enjoy the
            barn dances. And, we played "Yuker" (sp) with a passion.
            --
            Don of Niagara Falls

            ~~~~~~~~~~

            Dear Buffalo,
            > <snip>
            > America is NOT the centre of the known civilised world. At times I doubt
            > that it is even on the edge of it.
            > <snip>
            > America does NOT have right to wage war on innocent people. I don't care
            > how 'smart' your bombs are, innocent people will die when Little
            > George and his pals head off to steal another country's oil reserves.
            > <snip>
            > Good Bye.
            >
            > Lee Kennedy,
            > Australia.

            The world is not civilized not matter where you are, live with it.

            America does not have the right to wage war on innocent people? They aren't
            waging
            war on innocent people. They are waging it on their leaders. Does this
            affect the
            innocent people, yes. The U.S. wants Sadam out of power, as they do Castro.
            Castro
            does not currently present a threat to the American people when he did, the
            President
            at the time made it very clear that war would be the result. Sadam is
            unwilling to
            leave and his people won't get rid of him. Sorry to say that the result is
            the
            world's policeman gets to do the job.

            These people who are willing to go to war with the U.S. aren't willing to
            fight the
            war, just willing to send others to die. The U.S. doesn't fight fair. They
            will send
            in bomb after bomb until they feel that the target is soft enough to take on
            the
            ground. This isn't the war these people are used to fighting.

            > ~~~~~~
            > My wife and I just saw two movies about war experiences. We were Soldiers,
            > and Windtalkers. Both of these were based on true stories and showed the
            > horrors of war and its effect on families of those left behind.
            > Buff, I cannot believe we take care of our military widows and widowers,
            and
            > parentless children with only about 1500 dollars, and then we have a
            > catastrophe like 9-11 and the families receive 300,000 and up.
            > Please, someone, tell me how this can be justified. I want the families
            to
            > be helped, but it just doesn't seem equitable to me.
            > Thanks. Dave

            Welcome to the world of American's who think they deserve to be paid, akin
            to winning
            the lottery, when something bad happens to them. I have no problem with
            these people
            getting something, but it should be no more that any life insurance that
            they held
            that wouldn't have been paid. Most insurance policies do not cover acts of
            war or
            terrorism. However should they profit from the death of their family
            members, I think
            not.

            The people who preserve your freedom, assuming you live in the U.S. (but
            also applying
            to playing the policeman for the world), get the short end of the stick.
            When you
            serve your country you lose all of your rights you had as a citizen. You
            are now a
            piece of property. Yet many do this willingly. Thank them for your
            freedoms.

            Robert

            ~~~~~~

            Hi Buff and fellow Scuttlebutt readers,

            I'm just a young lass from Sydney, Australia who nearly spat my morning
            coffee out while reading Sarah's lovely insights - God have mercy on our
            souls if she ever judges us!

            This woman, while she has my sympathy, knew the law and chose to
            disobey it.

            Did Miss Wonderful miss the part in the original email that said charges
            were brought against the girls father, but he denied raping her, which was
            enough for the charges against him to then be dropped?

            Sorry - please excuse my ignorance - you're right - she knew the law and
            still chose to break it. Next you'll be saying that rape victims ask for it
            by the way they act, or dress.

            Maybe Sarah would like to burn all unwed mothers at the stake, just as they
            did to 'witches' in days of old!

            Just my two-cents worth, but given the state of the economy it doesn't weigh
            much compared to your American $$!

            We're entering into summer here in Oz, a real lovely time, great for bbq's
            and beach days, but given our long-running drought we're also in for a more
            severe fire-season than normal.

            I've lived in the Blue Mountains (1 hour out of Sydney) for 10 years now,
            and last Christmas was the worst I have seen it. Christmas Day I had many
            friends being evacuated, not knowing if there would be somewhere to go back
            to once the fire had passed.

            Luckily no one I knew was injured, although just exhausted from battling the
            smaller fires that threaten their property, while the fire brigade, and
            volunteer firefighters battle the bigger flames!

            Also, not sure if anybody has heard this yet - although the Bali bombing was
            not to the scale of 9/11, the date of the Bali bombing was 10/12 - is that
            too much coincidence?

            I know people who are directly affected by this and it has shocked us all.
            Just as my workplace came to a standstill for you on 9/11, this was much
            closer to home, but our reactions were the same. It didn't matter who the
            bomb was intended for, or for what purpose - the fact that it killed
            innocent people was the reason we stopped to pray, to remember and to mourn
            with their families. Our prayers are with them.

            Well it was nice to finally write in, I have enjoyed the list for over two
            years now, and finally felt I had something to contribute. Don't be shy,
            come and join us all in Oz for a bbq Christmas lunch and Boxing day at the
            beach!

            Thanks

            Sydney Chick

            ~~~~~~

            Where is the scuttlebutt group on the so-called "Ballistic Fingerprinting"
            that our liaticians & media are touting so loudly now?

            For it? Agin it? What is it? What ain't it?
            (insert chuckle here, I'm gonna love this one!)


            BanderaJim

            ~~~~~~

            I am in Australia and remember well the towers and now Bali, like your
            comments on Japs, in US, during the war that were imprisoned,I am not saying
            its right but Japs, and Arabs all look alike and like good rats and bad
            rats(hw do we know)so the only answer is to,get rid of the leaders that are
            in the position to cause harm,lets face it there is no need to have means
            of mass destruction,and more so in the hands of fols,so I reckon saddam and
            all the leaders that have bombs and don't comply with UN(as saddam hasn't
            done on many occassion)are removed despite protester who all seem to be
            young or Muslims
            alister
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              Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
              ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
              sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
              useful info was spread )

              Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
              due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
              profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
              Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind

              I would like to step forward and step up in defense of all KFC and other
              fast food restaurant workers everywhere. I have worked at KFC (up here in
              Ontario) for the last 2.5 years. I have dealt with some of THE worst
              customers with the most ridiculous of complaints and requests. I make a
              humble wage, wiIth raises every six months . . . nothing to brag about to
              say the least. I work my butt off to please customers, and many times i
              gotta do it all by myself . . . take orders, cook and pack them. If i screw
              up a customers order, the customer will call or come back, and i will gladly
              replace it, or fix it. Many customers look at me and see a 20 year old high
              school drop out, with no future. I am 20 years old, i completed high school
              on the honour roll, and i went to university for a year, for honours
              economics. i worked at KFC before i left for school, and my boss gladly
              gave me back my job. i took this year off school to make money to return to
              school. I am looking for a decent job, but no one will hire me, especially
              factories, apparently i am overqualified. My only purpose of this reponse
              is to make an awarness of us, the fast food workers of north america, the
              underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked providers of fast food so you
              dont gotta cook.
              Tracey B

              ~~~~~~~

              To Jon - UK

              Still don't have any examples as I haven't read the jokes lately, but I
              suppose you are right because I tend to be a very literal person. So much so
              that a "Profanisaurus" sounds like a big ol' animal that was supposed to
              have lived millions of years ago. (btw- was that "Roger's" or "Roget's"?

              But actually, I was more concerned in finding out which of our sayings were
              confusing on the other side of the Atlantic.


              To the college professor and others, I recognized the quote but had to look
              up it's source:

              "Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer."
              (If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.)
              Voltaire [1768], Epître à l'auteur du livre des Trois imposteurs

              Not to rekindle an old debate, BUT I found this while looking up the above
              (italics mine):
              -------
              TREATY OF PEACE AND FRIENDSHIP
              BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
              AND THE BEY AND SUBJECTS
              OF TRIPOLI OF BARBARY
              8 Stat. 154, Treaty Series 358

              Treaty signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796, and at Algiers January 3, 1797.
              Senate advice and consent to ratification June 7, 1797.
              Ratified by the President of the United States June 10, 1797
              Entered into force June 10, 1797
              Proclaimed by the President of the United States June 10, 1797.

              ARTICLE 11

              "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense
              founded
              on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of enmity
              against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-- and as the said
              States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any
              Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from
              religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony
              existing between the two countries."
              [John Adams, 1797-05-27, Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship
              between the US and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary.
              Treaties and Other International Acts of America, ed. Hunter Miller]
              -------
              -ab (don't shoot the messenger)

              ~~~~~~~~


              This is to Janna O'Shea. In regards to your thoughts
              on people learning English that live in America. You
              stated "but i do not agree about forcing people to
              learn our language" & you also mentioned that you
              lived in France & didn't know French. Well, It's not
              our problem you moved to a country & didn't bother to
              learn their language. I don't care if people come to
              this country without knowing the language, it's when
              they either call me at work or home & inconvience me
              cause they can't speak English. There was this person
              who called my work last week, a hispanic woman. I
              took 1 year of Spanish back in high school so I
              realized she was looking for someone. I simply said
              "No one here speaks Spanish, you have the wrong
              number." She kept on repeating the phrase 4-5
              times... I finally getting frustrated said " NO SPEAKA
              SPANISH!!!" This woman kept on calling back over &
              over & over & over... now getting pissed cause I've
              got a deadline & my boss was waiting for me to
              complete what I was doing (knowing a little Spanish) I
              said in Spanish "I don't understand - no one speaks
              Spanish" & hung up on her. I mean this is the country
              I was born in, I was taught my whole life English is
              the primary language spoken here, I shouldn't have to
              learn 10 different languages cause some ignorant
              person doesn't feel like either staying at home &
              doing nothing, or getting an interpreter, or too lazy
              to learn the language that shouldn't be my problem!!!
              I've been out of the country once, I've been to Puerto
              Rico. I went with 3 Spanish speaking people, I never
              left the hotel without someone who can speak the
              language. We went to restaurants, but I never ordered
              myself (even when the waiters spoke English) It's
              called having respect for the country you're in & for
              the people who live in that country. Maybe some
              people need to learn a little!
              I agree with you that it's bull ch!t about getting
              detention if you don't say the pledge.. people can
              worship however/whenever/whichever way they like as
              long as they harm no one including themselves.

              LJ


              ~~~~~~

              Hey Buff,
              Don's right, keep a close eye on that wound. Not meaning to alarm you,
              but a 13 year old boy died last Sunday here in Lubbock due to complications
              from a bite by a brown recluse.

              Jay

              buffalo says theree trips to the doctor in a week and another coming
              up should show I am no makig light of this matter Staph infections are not
              cool..

              `~~~~~

              To Chuck from New Port Richey Fl

              OMG!!!! Someone from Florida that actually almost admits that they voted
              for GW. I'll bet you even voted for Jeb. I just have one question, how many
              times did you vote?? You are one of the very few people that I have heard of
              from Florida that will almost admit that they voted for either one of them.

              Don

              ~~~~~~~

              Buffalo, regarding the person that wrote this: <<<< I need advice about a
              very itchy
              problem... FLEAS! >>>
              I live in a house with two dozen dogs and have managed the local humane
              society for 13 years...I swear by ADVANTAGE by Bayer...each dose kills fleas
              for a month. I've never found anything to work as well and none of my
              animals has ever had a reaction to it like some of the other products
              available against fleas. When we get dogs in at the humane society that
              have multitudes of fleas, we just spot the Advantage on between their
              shoulder blades and within a couple hours they are totally flea free. I'm
              not affiliated with the company but am certainly a fan of this product
              because it has made life in pest prone Louisiana a bit easier...Bayer also
              makes Kilztix to use against ticks in case anyone is having trouble with
              those right now. Good luck! ~~~Mynx & the Crew
              St. John Humane Society-Louisiana

              ~~~~~~~~

              I agree with Terry from Indiana, as my mother has often said "Vote for your
              right to bitch, if you don't vote, don't bitch."

              Jay
              Lubbock, Tx

              ~~~~~

              I thought this might be of interest to those whom it concerns. I regret
              that in c/p'ing , the link to Urban Legends was lost, but I went to the
              news article included and it is a real site.

              TC R
              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
              BEWARE!!
              FYI, Just In Time For The Holidays: Those cute little electronic
              greeting cards you occasionally get from friends may be a real problem.

              The ones I'm speaking of are those where there's a link that says
              "[Some Name] has sent you a greeting card. Go here to get your greeting
              card".

              There's a new card company called "FriendGreetings.com". When you
              get a card notification from them and click on the link, it will take
              you to their site. You will be notified that you have to install an
              ActiveX control in order to view the card. When you begin to install,
              the first thing that pops up is what is known as a "EULA" (End User
              License
              Agreement). It is very long, and you will not read it. They're counting
              on that. When you scroll to the bottom of it and click "Accept," you
              have agreed to the terms of the EULA.

              Part of what you will have agreed to is to have monitoring/spyware
              software installed on your computer which will periodically report a
              vast array of data back to the card company. The other part that you've
              agreed to is to have the software send mail to EVERY SINGLE ADDRESS IN
              YOUR ADDRESS BOOK.

              In short, you've voluntarily agreed to install a virus-type
              product on your machine. This is not a good thing.

              See: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2124528,00.html for
              details.

              Since there is no virus in the email, and since you're VOLUNTARILY
              agreeing to install the ActiveX component, VIRUS CHECKERS WILL NOT CATCH
              THIS.

              Just a reminder: DO NOT OPEN EMAIL ATTACHMENTS when you are not
              expecting them, and DO NOT RUN ANYTHING FROM THE INTERNET WHICH REQUIRES
              A EULA AGREEMENT.

              Click on this site to view information stating the above
              information is TRUE.
              Urban Legends Reference Pages: Search Engine

              Contact me with questions.
              ______________________
              Jim Willingham, CFCE
              Investigator
              Denton County Criminal DA
              Denton, TX 76202
              940-349-2696
              jim.willingham@...


              ~~~~~~~~

              re: Dianne's Parting Letter to our Ex-Pres:
              Well said, Dianne.

              John R.
              Whitefish Bay WI

              ~~~~~~

              "Dear Granny (et al),

              I (a male) was a single parent for many years. Are there any other Men who
              were "Single Parent" out there.
              --
              Don of Niagara Falls"

              How about this one Don, I raised 2 stepsons after their mother left. One
              couldnt read or write (at the age of 14), yet with an attitude change,
              graduated in the top 1/3rd of this class and even made the dean's honor
              roll.

              BJ Cassady

              ~~~~~~~~

              Hi
              I was reading the article in your page about the poor lady who was going
              nuts with fleas in her home and on her pets.
              This time of the year is the worse for flea infestation as they like all
              creatures want a nice warm home for the winter but I have found a good way
              to get rid of them in the home without bombing with stuff that only who
              knows the end result of is to take a spray bottle and fill it with white
              vinegar. I have sprayed this all around the house and especially on the
              carpeting and any place where my pets may lay down a couple of times a week
              and it has greatly reduced the number of fleas in the house.
              I happen to like Advantage for putting on the pets directly but that is an
              individual choice. By the way love your pages and for once they are coming
              to me in my daily mail and I have not had to go to the Yahoo groups to read
              like I was for a long period of time. Sandy Davenport Broadalbin NY

              ~~~~~~

              Reference a comment by Maggie of Pa in today's scuttlebutt. If she has
              Internet Explorer 6.0 and she recently updated with Service Pack 1 then she
              needs launch Internet Explorer 6, click on Tools, Options, select Security
              tab, then uncheck "Do not allow attachments to be saved or opened that could
              potentially be a virus". If she didn't upgrade, but does have IE 6.0, it
              wouldn't hurt to check anyway..........Don.

              ~~~~~

              A thought for the day: humorist Will Rogers said, "My forefathers didn't
              come over on the Mayflower, but they met the boat."

              And mine did too.

              Jim Mc Quain

              ~~~~~~

              The Rat

              Such a powerful "poem" this was that I broke into tears immediately and
              couldn't stop for hours. I myself am a mother of two young children that I
              don't always have enough patience for. This really opened my eyes and, boy,
              did it ever change my attitude with my little darlings. So sad what
              measures children will go to for the love and acceptance of their parent(s).

              svespa

              ~~~~~~~~

              Hello,

              I've been following some of the comments that are being made about the
              coming war with Iraq and I think it is time to throw my 2 cents in. Until I
              see solid concrete proof that Iraq's crazy leader actually has weapons of
              mass distruction I will not support any military action against them. I
              know that this is not a really popular position, but, when I start to think
              about what I think are the real reasons that our President is pushing for
              this action I start to get scared. On one hand I think he is trying to make
              up for the opportunity his father missed the first time around. On the
              other hand is the fact, although he will never admit it, Bush is after
              Iraq's oil. What scares me is that the United States has gone from a
              defensive posture to an offensive one. It really appears to me that the
              United States knows it's the only super power in the world and that no
              country except china can oppose us in anything our country deciedes to do.
              This attitude is totally wrong and is going to get this country into a lot
              of trouble as well as a lot of americans killed.

              MT

              ~~~~~~~~

              Whomever it was that made the decision to dismiss the Color Guard because of
              two unloaded rifles, should get a life. I hope that by now, that person has
              been appropriately disciplined. The Color Guards throughout America have
              ALWAYS been "armed" with the rifles, as symbolism of the protection of all
              that is represented by the Great Flag of our United States of America!

              ED KNOX

              ~~~~~~~~~

              Maggie,,,,,click on the help section of Outlook express and read about
              flagged messages. You probably have a "rule" set up that you can't open
              them.
              If all else fails reinstall Outlook. I have had to that already.
              ~Pogo

              ~~~~~

              Don,
              I too did a web search for my elusive Mockingbird Hill and came up
              emptyhanded.It was more an outdoor stage than a barn and it sat on a
              hill.Everyone sat on the grass or at picnic tables there to enjoy a day of
              music.I wish my mom and dad could remember.I am going over there again today
              and will ask them again.Maybe it was at Bill Monroe's place in Brown
              County,IN.
              That link sure does bring back memories! I learned to whistle to that song I
              think...
              Dad says that yes the French Lick Sheritan(sp) is still open.You can pull up
              many links to the hotel with loads of pictures.
              I would always wake from a dead sleep in the car on the ride to gramma's
              house when we got there because of the smell of the sulpher spring.
              My uncles and my dad would go to the West Baden H.S, to watch Larry's uncle
              play basketball.I remember going with them.They named that street Larry Bird
              Blvd.
              The street my gramma lived on was past the hotel and about halfway up one of
              the steep hills they have there.They now have mostly condos built up there.I
              still have plenty family living there.
              Thanks for the memories Don!
              hummy

              ~~~~~

              To BanderaJim,
              I pretty much agree with your opinion on the .223, although I have a friend
              who bags his limit of whitetails regularly with his. He also is an avid bow
              hunter which I think is more apt to leave more wounded deer. I use my old
              30/30 Winchester 94 with iron sights. Most shots in this part of the country
              are usually made at less than 100 yds. I have another friend who recently
              aquired a crossbow, but his work schedule has kept him out of the woods
              during this bow season.
              My Colt .45 is the largest caliber handgun I'm comfortable with. I can see
              where it's desirable to pack a .44 magnum in bear or boar country, but as
              for plinking or range shooting it's recoil is too violent for me. I don't
              own one, but when I have occasion to use one at the range, I find that the
              Blackhawk with it's frontier grips works better for me than the S&W because
              I have fairly small hands.
              BTW, I have been advised that the .270 barrel is indeed available for your
              TC.
              J. Moore


              ~~~~~~~~~~

              In response to your inquiry on the fla license plate issue you may read up
              on
              the subject at;
              www.crlp.org/crt_plates.html
              this should have all info you are seeking , also info on other states with
              same issue.
              osmanjokat

              ~~~~~~~~~

              A Twisted Thought

              think of this..
              Anna nichole and ozze ozbornne get together.

              what are your thoughts???

              Pete

              buffalo says another two seasons for the The Osbornes and Sharon
              spends years on the talk show circuit? Sharon gets her own series and Oz and
              Anna live in Obscurity??

              ~~~~~~

              Okay, BanderaJim, you want to talk about ballistic fingerprinting? MY
              opinion. I think it is a great idea. Think about all the jobs it will
              create. All the tax money which will be put into circulation. All the
              bureaucratic fumbling, mumbling, and excuses we would hear when it solved
              nothing.

              Among my handguns there are two favorites. A Browning BDA 380 which has
              probably punched in excess of 2,000 holes in paper, and a Colt model 1991A1
              .45 ACP. The .380's ballistics will, in no way, match the original
              ballistics which would have been on file had it been "fingerprinted" when
              new. The .45 is practically new, but if I wanted to change its fingerprint,
              I could do so by simply firing a few hundred rounds of soft ammo followed by
              a couple hundred rounds of FMJ in quick succession keeping the barrel hot.
              Using the old corrosive primers would help too. Not only would this
              disguise the projectile ballistics, but the firing pin strike and ejector
              signatures on the shell casings would change too. Waddya think?

              Dave in Murphy

              ~~~~~~~

              For BarbJare of NJ: To get rid of fleas, take the rind of oranges, cut up
              into small bits, put into a boiler and cover with water. Boil this for a
              long time (sorry, I am not sure just how long). Then take the water and rub
              it into the fur of the animal. You may have to add more water till you get
              the stuff boiled long enough. Repeat as necessary.

              Patricia B.

              ~~~~~~

              I live in Fla which is infested with fleas I use advantage on my pets (3
              cats
              and 1 dog) .when the fleas get in the house I use the age old remedy of 20
              mule team borax. You sprinkle on carpet and let set for 2 to 3 hours and
              vacume. You can buy this in the laundry detergent section at your local
              grocerie store, runs about 4 to 5 dollars for 4 lbs give it a try has
              always
              worked for me. osmanjokat

              ~~~~~~~~

              To Farmboy

              I agree with Buff ENTIRELY, I will NOT apopogize
              for that idiot pat buchanan (no I didn't forget
              to cap, he doesn't deserve the implied respect) I
              have nothing but a feeling of "family" for our
              great neighbors to the north. Canada and america
              have been watching each other's backs for
              GENERATIONS.

              PLEASE do NOT think that that creature's opinions
              are shared by anyone with a thimbleful of brains
              down here. We are neighbors as neighbors should
              be but on a global scale, and I for one think the
              world of all my Canadian buddies, and if I could
              travel, Canada is one of the first places I would
              want to visit!

              MomnTexas

              ~~~~~~~~

              Greetings,
              I have not written before but all the comments about religion has made me
              want to put in my change worth.
              It makes me almost physically ill to hear people talk about which one is
              right; when I hear a "Christian" talk about how their way is the way, it
              doesn't sound any different from a fanatic from any other religion.
              Many of our families came to this country to be free, to make our own
              choices; my Irish ancestors came to get away from the fighting. My great
              Grandmother hated Christians with a passion; she said that they will kill
              you to make you believe.

              By the way Buffalo I really enjoy your comments about work; my husband is a
              master tool maker and I have a real good idea just what you do in your shop.
              The only thing that truly will give me chills is when you start using the
              "S" word. I know it is coming, I know the guys like it on the ground during
              hunting season, but I just never seem to be ready for the first time it
              falls. Yes, we have had our first snowfall; but it stay so I want to enjoy
              the green grass while it lasts.

              Karen
              in Wisconsin

              ~~~~~~~

              Future King of Ohio,

              Is that the best you could do? I guess you missed the point intended!

              charlillo

              ~~~~~~~

              Hey Buff,

              I used to work with a guy like the one you worked with. He was in his
              thirties and had been in every branch of service, several years in each one.
              He was an underwater welder in the navy, a pilot in the air force, truck
              driver in the marines and I don't remember what he was in the army. I told
              him once that I thought you had to be an officer to be a pilot in the
              service and he said normally you do but he had special clearance and was the
              only enlisted man in the air force who could fly one. He said he scored so
              high on his tests when he joined the marines that a general came and picked
              him up and took him to the base. I told him that it seemed funny that he
              scored that high and wound up driving a truck. He was never at a loss for an
              answer. He said you don't know what I was hauling and to this day I am not
              authorized to tell you what it was. One man we worked with told him one day,
              " Hosmer, I have finally counted up all your experiences and as close as I
              can tell you are 127 years old."

              David Moore

              ~~~~~~~~

              Buffalo :

              ( This is probably not as long as some things that have appeared in the
              Scuttlebutt, but feel free to edit or ignore ! )



              Been away all weekend, but Sunday's Scuttlebutt is so rich and full of
              stuff that I just can't keep my fingers out of the pie !

              TO ALL - GUNS IN THE HOME : I'm not a gun enthusiast, but am married to a
              former GA State Trooper. So, I have a .22 in my bed table. It's never
              been fired, thank God. He has .357s, and heaven knows what else. And we
              also have six dogs. I'm not sure which is the best deterrent !

              FOR OLDCAT : Right on... I would love to sit down and discuss religion
              with you. As an retired ordained Christian minister, I find the subject
              fascinating and profound. And I love the open-minded tenor of your
              letter.

              FOR JNET, PAT from Noth Tonawanda, THE DON, GREATSCOTTZ: There have been
              corrupt politicians everywhere, even here, since time immemorial. The
              structure of our government, thanks to the Founding Fathers, keeps ours
              from deteriorating into a dictatorship such as have existed in so many
              other parts of the world, even so. The Dems get their turn, the Reps get
              theirs, and this goes a long way toward keeping both semi-honest. And
              the jousting between both is one of the factors which keeps this country
              great. Those men were geniuses.

              AVONLEA : Yours last letter was the best you've written to date, I
              think. You are attempting to agree that others have their right to
              pursue salvation in their own way. But, I would ask you to be aware that
              Christianity is a minority religion in the total scheme of things, and is
              NOT the only way to God. ( see DIANNE'S note...) Do you really believe
              that most of the rest of the non-Christian world is condemned ? Would a
              just and loving God allow that to happen to the children He created ?

              BJ, MIKE FARRELL, CHARLILLO : I like your open-mindedness on this
              subject of religion. Keep on...

              FOR BJ MIAMI, FARMBOY, HELEN, THE CANADIAN, BUFFALO, etc. I have to
              agree with your opinions about Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell and Pat
              Robertson. They are prime examples of arrogance, narrow-mindedness and
              Pride. And since two of them purport to be ministers of the Gospel, they
              probably should take a good look at their attitudes !

              MT, BUFFALO, AND ALL : Right on... We all must get out and vote on
              Tuesday. We have no right to criticize the government if we don't
              participate.

              BJ CASSADY : God bless you friend. It will get better, although I know
              you are probably wondering how it could.

              IKEA : What is that ? Never heard of it. And would someone PLEASE tell
              me what BTW means ?????

              RAYMOND BOWEN : I agree that abortion is probably not a good topic to
              wrestle with here in this forum. But I have to agree, even though I am
              fairly conservative, that Pro Choice and/or Pro Life notations are not
              appropriate on license plates !

              LAURA WHITE, OSMANJOKAT, JAY SHARPTON : Re : semi-poverty and
              frugality... Right on... been there.

              DOTTIE IN TEXAS : Join the forum ! I use Ganny as my signature, and no
              one knows who I am. Although, I have to say that if my kids saw this
              newsletter, they'd know for sure it was this old lady... ! BUFFALO -
              your suggestion for Dottie's signature is a hoot.

              R.D. SHEPLEY AND OTHERS : I agree. No one religion or belief system has
              a lock on persecution or radicalism. Islam is merely the latest. In
              Christianity, there were the Crusades - which were terrible. And don't
              forget the Inquisition during the Middle Ages. These things have been
              perpetrated by evil and/or misled human beings, and have nothing to do
              with God, or the worship of God, no matter what religion is represented.

              HELEN, JON UK, RL, Our neighbors to the north are the greatest bonus we
              as Americans enjoy. My mother was Canadian, and as a child, I lived in
              Canada for a time. I felt totally at home, and I know that my Canadian
              relatives feel the same when they visit here. We all spring from the
              same British root, and of course, Britain is our stauchest ally. Unlike
              some other countries, they have never forgotten what we did for them in
              WWII.

              Ganny

              ~~~~~~

              > I use Earthlink also and haven't had a problem until recently when for
              some reason anything with an
              > attachment is "flagged" and cannot be opened. This is in Outlook
              Express. Do you know how I could
              > get these attachments "unflagged"?

              The problem is Microsoft protecting you from yourself. You upgraded
              Outlook Express, probably by upgrading Internet Explorer.

              Didn't check, since I don't use it, but here is something on it.

              http://helpdesk.wiktel.com/problems/attachment.htm

              Robert

              ~~~~~~~

              For Maggie in Pa.
              Try clicking on tools and then options.From there go to security.There is a
              box that says "Do not allow attachments to be saved or opened that could
              potentially be a virus"If the box is checked,that's your problem.I wouldn't
              recommend it if you don't have anti-virus software though.Hope this helps.

              David in Ga.

              ~~~~~~~~

              RE: KFC
              I can relate with the Buffalo on this. Reminds me of the great Joe
              Pesci quote from Lethal Weapon 2, "They **** you at the drive through."
              My job requires a lot of driving and frequently breakfast or lunch is
              a drive through experience. Doesn't matter what fast food chain you go
              to, you're taking your chances. The more you order the worse your
              odds.

              Robert

              ~~~~~~~~

              Janna O'Shea it looks like you have finally reared your ugly head. There
              has to be a few more of you scattered throughout our country, and I am
              certainly glad you are up there in Hileary-land, which should be placed in
              isolation for the good of the rest of this nation. In reading your rantings
              I concluded you to be in violation of the truth and your fabrications
              regarding your friend on detention reeks of imagination.
              Please, please, stay there in NY. You are amongst friends.....

              KillerRay in Tennessee

              ~~~~~~~~

              Twenty-mule-team-laundry soap and pickling salt works great. Mix at a three
              to one ratio. Sprinkle all around and let stand until next day. Repeat in a
              couple days if you need to, your fleas should be gone.

              Dale

              ~~~~~~~

              AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER I JUST HAD TO REMARK ON THE MAIL FROM JEFF SNELL
              REGARDING THE BASKETBALL GAME FIASCO. OVER HERE IN THE UK, AS YOU KNOW, WE
              DO NOT HAVE GUNS AS YET AS PART OF THE UNIFORM, LOADED OR NOT BUT I MUST SAY
              I THOUGHT THE ACTIONS ON THE PART OF THE SO CALLED OFFICIALS WERE
              DISGRACEFUL AND I FEEL FOR ALL OF THOSE BRAVE MEN WHO UNDERSTANDABLY COULD
              NOT GET TO GRIPS WITH THEIR ATTITUDE.
              GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES JEFF, BE SAFE, SARAH XXXXXX

              ~~~~~~~

              Growing up in small town Iowa, hunting and fishing was practically a way
              of life for teenage boys, at least in my eyes. My first shotgun was an
              old Mossburg 4-10 ,bolt action with a non-working three round clip.
              Since this particular gun wasn't exactly made for duck hunting, I
              borrowed my dads' Winchester automatic. This was a beautifully crafted
              piece of work and amazingly light, just like my own gun----almost.
              As the sun finally began to peak up above the horizon my excitement
              level was off the charts, I don't think I was aware of another living
              person on the planet as I rose to down my first mallard! This is where
              the dream ends, as I pulled the trigger the recoil caused the gun to
              climb up my shoulder a bit, then the damn thing went off two more times
              so fast it sounded like one blast. By the time that final round went BOOM
              the gun rested snuggly on the top of my shoulder blade. Didn't stay there
              long however because at the same time I was in the process of doing a
              most un-graceful backwards swan dive into the pond! By the grace of God,
              the two extra rounds went flying harmlessly into the wild blue yonder and
              the gun landed safely on top of the tarp and blanketI had been crouched
              underneath just seconds before,(dad would have skinned me alive if I'd
              scratched that gun!). As for me, I crawled out onto the bank of the pond
              and began my new life as a "famous" local master of the hunt.
              I no longer hunt but do shoot clay birds,(with a 4-10 Mossburg
              bolt action), and do quite a bit of target shooting and can outshoot most
              of my pals and family members with anything they can produce, but I'll be
              damned if I'll ever live that day down. I'll always be the fastest
              man(boy) with a shotgun that ever swam old Pits' pond.

              Shep

              ~~~~~~~~

              Hello Mr Brabant.

              My name is Sandra and was hoping you might be able to tell me where i
              would write in your country to find out about my friend. He is canadian but
              was or might still be serving with your country as a Commander in the US
              Navy. Last i heard from him he was in the north Arabian Sea on a warship.
              They went on black out and i only got 1 message from him after that.I
              believed he was to come home in August but as i haven't heard from him know
              he couldn't have .I was to be contacted if something happened him by the
              Navy but never heard from them either. So hope you can help me with some
              imformation oh how i might get hold of that department. Thank you in advance
              .And yes love reading your newsletter.So much that i even shared your
              website with the man i'm trying to find.James also enjoyed it know this as
              we had long talks about the different views wrote by the readers. Have a
              good one and stay safe

              Sandra

              buffalo says have you tried sending him a snail mail letter to
              the ship he is on. for example
              Commander Smith
              USS Bill Clinton Tugboat 2
              FPO San Fransisco Calif
              96601

              The fleet post office delivers to the ship and they have change of addresses
              same as a regular post office if the man has been discharged.

              ~~~~~~~

              I am a retired Master Sergeant having served 22 years in the Air Force
              and I believe it would be a mistake to go to war with Iraq before we round
              up
              and deport all the illegals in this country. We need to stop all these
              illegals from crossing our borders even if we have to involve our military.
              When you take the military oath, you pledge to protect and defend the
              country
              against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
              Presently, we are losing the war here at home.
              Additionally, I would like to see a national vote on abortion rights and the
              death penalty. I must be traveling with the wrong crowd. I have met very
              few people who are against the death penalty for serious crimes or people
              desiring legalized abortion.
              I think you will see how the majority of Americans feel about these issues
              if put to a vote.
              P.S. IT IS NICE TO HAVE A PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY YOU CAN RESPECT.
              I JUST HOPE WE CAN GET A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS ELECTED IN THE SENATE TO
              MAKE HIS JOB A LITTLE EASIER.

              BUCKEYE JACK


              ~~~~~~~~

              Buf: I think that the Religion issues, that everyone is stating, is
              confusing more than enlightening. First, one must realize that the
              Authors, of the Bible, Koran, etc., had no data base , to work from,
              other than "Word of mouth". Most, if not all, were uneducated and few
              even had a written language. All of them thought that the World was
              FLAT. Now, we are expected, by Religeous fanatics, to believe their
              word as Fact? The only Fact is that more people have died, in the name
              of their God, than for any other reason. That is so sad, that in his
              quest for a crutch, to lean on, man has created such a destructive
              thing. ---- Just something I had to get off my chest. Keep up the good
              work, Buf. P/S I'm happy, for you, that someone, out there is admiring
              your Bug-Bit Butt.------------Bob----Everett, Wash.-----(An avowed
              Panthiest)

              ~~~~~~

              Hi Buff,
              On the subject of home security, I have a derringer with one barrel loaded
              with a 410 slug and the other with shot. If the shot doesn't stop him the
              slug should. The only problem with this is you would have to be real close
              because that sucker really spreads. I also keep a 357 Ruger magnum but I
              wouldn't want to use it because I wouldn't want to replace any siding on my
              house or any of my neighbors houses. David Moore

              ~~~~~~~

              avonlea,

              sorry you are taking such a beating for your beliefs. i don't think any
              of us out hee in buffalo land begrudge you the right to worship as you
              see fit. but know what your are talking about. Buddha and Confucius
              were not gods, Buddha codified the writings of his god, Buddha was a
              rich prince, hod saw injustice in the world and set out to find a way
              to reconcile this. both one of them would are probably turning over in
              their graves to think that people have so misinterpreted their
              teachings. IMHO: i don't i don't believe jesus was is god's son any
              more than any of the rest of us are. ( in the way i suppose, we all all
              god's chillin'') he was a man whose teaching brought down the wrath of
              the roman empire and he died for stirring up the masses.

              e

              ~~~~~~~~

              no wonder i'm so far behind in reading the chips. i stop to write
              comments on so many things.

              hey what's wrong with being liberal. there are democrats who are just
              to the left of conservative and republicans who are slightly right o
              being conservatives. i'd rather be liberal than an up tight reactionary
              who wants to keep doing things "that way" cause that's how they have
              always been done.

              as for clinton the republicans will tell you he wasn't impeached for his
              infidelities, but for lying about it.

              but someone had it in for big bill from the beginning. usually when a
              newly elected president takes office there is a "honeymoon " period
              while he gets used to taking over the reins. only clinton never had
              that. from the day he was elected the republicans were out to nail him,
              they dug up supposed scandal after scandal till all they really could
              get him for was lying about his affair with his intern.

              e


              ~~~~~~

              I thought you might have a bunch of friends
              that would like to read this...



              Damn Dirty Democrats
              Once the party of hope and idealism, the Democrats are now the party of
              dirty tricks.
              by Jonathan V. Last
              11/04/2002 12:00:00 AM


              Jonathan V. Last, online editor



              A DEFINING MOMENT isn't about reality, it's about unconscious public
              perception. For example: Dan Quayle will forever be remembered for his
              "misspelling" of the word potato, not because it was an important event, but
              because the public already suspected he might be a dummy. John Ashcroft will
              forever be a religious nut because the curtain over the boob symbolized what
              people suspected--that he was a little too devout for centrist America.
              Never mind that Quayle is both bright and capable or that Ashcroft isn't a
              Wahhabi nutcase (or that he never asked for the curtain). Those caricatures
              are now cut into stone.

              And so it may be for the Democratic party today. For two generations
              Democrats have coasted on the caricatures established by FDR and JFK. The
              Democrat from Central Casting was a slightly corrupt, slightly dopey
              do-gooder with stars in his eyes and gold in his heart. But a new Democratic
              caricature emerged this fall: One of the power-obsessed politician who will
              do anything to win.

              Just consider the face of the Democratic party over the last few months:

              -In South Dakota this fall, Democrats have pushed heavy voter-registration
              drives with Indians. So heavy, in fact, that lots of dead Native Americans
              signed up. State and federal authorities are investigating.

              -In a September memo from the Detroit mayor's office, it was revealed that
              Detroit has 600,000 registered voters, only about 450,000 of which are
              legitimate. And you can bet those phantom voters haven't been trending
              Republican.

              -In New Jersey, Democrats stood behind embattled senator Robert Torricelli,
              despite the fact that he was under federal investigation. Until he fell
              behind GOP challenger Doug Forrester in the polls. On the last day of
              September, Dems pushed Torricelli aside and brought in replacement candidate
              Frank Lautenberg, even though the law clearly stated that it was too late
              for a substitution. Democrats broke the law because, they insisted, New
              Jersey's citizens were entitled to a choice between major-party candidates.
              (In a related story, Democrats declined to field a candidate against
              Republican Virginia senator John Warner since Warner looked so formidable in
              early polling.)

              -At a September debate in Maryland between the candidates for lieutenant
              governor, supporters of Democratic gubernatorial candidate Kathleen Kennedy
              Townsend passed out Oreo cookies to mock black Republican hopeful Michael
              Steele. At another debate that month, between Townsend and Republican Bob
              Ehrlich, Democrats also passed out Oreos--and then led the crowd in raucous
              booing of Ehrlich's wife and elderly parents. Afterwards, Democrats keyed
              the cars of several Ehrlich supporters.

              -During October in Montana, Democratic senator Max Baucus ran an ad
              not-so-subtly insinuating that his opponent, Mike Taylor, was gay--closing
              the attack spot by saying darkly, "Mike Taylor. Not the way we do business
              in Montana."

              -In an October debate in South Carolina, Democrat Senate candidate Alex
              Sanders attacked Lindsay Graham for having Rudy Giuliani stump for him.
              About Giuliani, Sanders said, "His wife kicked him out and he moved in with
              two gay black men and a Shih Tzu. Is that South Carolina values? I don't
              think so."

              -A few days ago in Hawaii, GOP gubernatorial candidate Linda Lingle, who's
              running neck-and-neck with her Democratic opponent, became the target of a
              whispering campaign claiming that she, too, is homosexual.

              -In Iowa, Tom Harkin spent autumn in Tape-gate. As the Washington Post
              explained, "Harkin's campaign provided a digital recorder to a former Harkin
              aide to take to a Sept. 3 strategy session of the Ganske campaign, to which
              the former aide had been invited. The campaign then leaked a copy of the
              recording to an Iowa reporter. Harkin's campaign staff first denied any
              involvement, then admitted to it. Harkin dumped his campaign manager and
              fired a young, low-level aide, whom the campaign said was solely responsible
              for getting the former Harkin aide, Brian Conley, to record the session."


              -And then, of course, there was the Wellstone affair last week (see the
              above now-famous photo). At the memorial service Democrats whipped the crowd
              into a partisan fervor, chanted "We Will Win," and generally had a
              rollicking good time while the 20,000 attendees booed Wellstone's Republican
              colleagues who had come to pay their respects.

              The Democrats haven't just become Nixon, they've become the exaggerated
              liberal nightmare version of Nixon: Today Democrats are what they believe
              Nixon was.

              The change didn't happen overnight. For a couple years now--since 1992ish,
              to be more exact--Democrats have been showing signs of a desperate,
              win-at-any-cost mentality. It started with Clinton's women and then his
              fund-raising and impeachment. It carried over to Gore's challenge to the
              2000 election and Tom Daschle's unprecedented obstruction of George W.
              Bush's judicial nominees.

              (As a side note, last Friday on Blanquita Cullum and Janet Donovan's radio
              show, "The Beltway Broads," I asked Orrin Hatch if there was any weight to
              the charge that Republicans had been just as bad with Clinton's nominees.
              The straight-laced Mormon said those arguments are "pure B.S." Also, he
              interestingly noted that "we may get one or two [Supreme Court] nominees
              before the end of the year.")

              None of this has been lost on the public. And the angry chants and rabid
              cheering from the Wellstone "memorial" may have provided the Democrats with
              a new defining moment. Once the party of JFK and FDR, the Democrats are now
              the party of dirty tricks.

              Jonathan V. Last is online editor of The Weekly Standard.



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            • B.Brabant
              Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories
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                Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
                ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
                sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
                useful info was spread )

                Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
                due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
                profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
                Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind


                Language and Host Country

                Buff;

                I believe America is really tolerant to the immigrant especially when it
                comes to the language.

                Here in Asia, if you decide to migrate to Japan and doesn't know a single
                Japanese word, you'll be in big time Fxxx up. Even here in Taiwan and In
                China, either you learn Chinese or find someone who can interpret in
                between, most of the foreigner are force to learn the local languages.

                In the company I work, we hire Filipino OFWs' [Overseas Foreign Workers],
                these Filipino did pick up Chinese language in a few months, the factory
                although did try to tolerate and communicate in English, but the majority
                doesn't speak English [factory] and the OFW did try their best to
                communicate in Chinese, even if it sound funny.

                I wonder if America one day decide to use only one language without
                alternate second language?

                Roy Jao

                ~~~~~~~

                J Moore

                Just a quick question my friend. Is your Colt you referred to a .45 Long
                Colt revolver or a .45 ACP? And, if it is ACP, is it 1911 style or one of
                the newer models? Just curious, I carry a Colt Combat Commander in .45ACP as
                my duty weapon.

                Jay
                Lubbock, Tx

                ~~~~~~~

                To everyone who responded to my flea plea, THANK YOU! I will try your
                suggestions. barbjare nj


                ~~~~~

                In response to MT and his/her worries about the Iraqi situation, I'm worried
                too. No competent soldier, sailor, airman or marine wants to go into a war
                if it can be avoided. No, I haven't done some bizarre 180 here, I'm still a
                100% supporter of our nation and President Bush. I think Hussien needs to
                go, and we may have to be the agency of his removal. But he's been there a
                long time and we can afford to wait. North Korea, another "member" of the
                Axis of Evil, has admitted to the world at large they have in hand, weapons
                of mass destruction. Haven't heard any talk of crossing the 38th parallel or
                taking out Kim Jong Il (which ain't a bad idea) even though, technically the
                war between our countries that was never declared, has never been undeclared
                either. We have an armistice, but no treaty.
                As the worlds only superpower, we can afford to watch and wait.....as long
                as we watch very, very closely. But, one false move, vaporize their ass!

                Jay

                ~~~~~~~~

                Hey Don from New Port Richey Florida.....Howdy neighbor......Holiday
                here......
                Yes, i voted for the Bushes, and am damm proud of it....
                I work at Rudys Restaurant......US 19 and Trouble Creek.....if GW wins come
                on over and help us celebrate.
                Linda

                ~~~~~~

                I would like to step forward and step up in defense of all KFC and other
                fast food restaurant workers everywhere. I have worked at KFC (up here in
                Ontario) for the last 2.5 years. I have dealt with some of THE worst
                customers with the most ridiculous of complaints and requests. I make a
                humble wage, with raises every six months . . . nothing to brag about to
                say the least. I work my butt off to please customers, and many times i
                gotta do it all by myself . . . take orders, cook and pack them. If i screw
                up a customers order, the customer will call or come back, and i will gladly
                replace it, or fix it. Many customers look at me and see a 20 year old high
                school drop out, with no future. I am 20 years old, i completed high school
                on the honour roll, and i went to university for a year, for honours
                economics. i worked at KFC before i left for school, and my boss gladly
                gave me back my job. i took this year off school to make money to return to
                school. I am looking for a decent job, but no one will hire me, especially
                factories, apparently i am overqualified. My only purpose of this reponse
                is to make an awarness of us, the fast food workers of north america, the
                underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked providers of fast food so you
                dont gotta cook.
                Tracey B

                Tracey,
                You have made good points and I just think so many of the public look down
                at
                fast food workers as the "do you want fries with that" crowd. Most of the
                time my fast food orders are correct; good and quick. Buffalo's story made
                me feel good as he didn't get mad and enjoyed his dinner! It is so easy to
                become angry but God bless those who accept that the world is less than
                perfect; do not expect more than you can give. Most of us are all imperfect
                humans. Bill, you are an almost perfectly wonderful Buffalo! What a good
                example you are for the heard.

                Future King of Ohio

                buffalo says I like the business model of most KFCs. Although they do
                hire young workers they do tend to have a slightly older management
                structure making a higher wage. It is important when trying to instill
                a work ethic in our children that they have someone older to turn to
                and can see a reward for staying in one place and applyinhg
                themselves.I am afraid many fast food places don't do that.. I have also
                seen high school kids reduced to tears by customers over whether the
                fries were cold or the shakes had enough chocolate and you can't
                help but wonder if these are the same people that abuse children spouses and
                pets. Like Mick Jagger says You can't always get what
                you want , but you get what you need.

                ~~~~~~

                To Anne from Ontario:

                I agree with you! When I went through the "Big D: (alcoholic,
                non-abusive ), the only thing we disagreed on was Child Support. I asked
                him that this money was for his CHILDREN, and how could he not want to take
                care of them? His reply was that the check comes in my name. My guess is
                that if I told a 5 and 7 year old, "Here, here's $250.00, go to it!", I'd
                have a heck of a lot of Candy and Toys to wade through. I told him that it
                was to ensure that they had a roof over their head, food to eat and clothes
                to wear. At any rate, he wanted to know how he was supposed to get ahead
                paying out all that money. I told him to ask the Judge. He HAD been giving
                me about $100.00 a month. (He made about $35,000.00 a year) He then had the
                gall to tell me that with that Hundred Dollars, he was helping me out now,
                more than he did when we were Married! No Duh, that's one reason we aren't
                Married anymore. At least he is better than some, as he DOES pay what the
                Court told him he has to, and even gave me $20.00 for School Shopping this
                year. He also sees the kids about 5 times a year, although he lives only an
                hour and a half away. It IS hard, and I can't IMAGINE how you have been
                able to hold everything together this long! I applaud you and wish you Luck
                in dealing with him in the Future. It's better to have gotten out before
                your kids began to think Drunk and abusive was normal in a relationship.

                Deb in Wisconsin


                ~~~~~~~

                To Ganny,
                Did I understand you to say that you are a retired Christian
                minister? Yes, I realize that the majority of the world's population are not
                Christians, and further that many of those who profess Christ are not truly
                Christians. Many are Christian in name only. That really is sad, because,
                they have lived in vain. Yes, Christianity IS the only way to God. The Bible
                makes that very clear. What is your basis for calling yourself a Christian,
                if you do not believe that? This is not meant as a personal attack in any
                way, I merely would like to have your answer. Yes, I do believe that those
                who have not accepted Christ as Savior will be lost. That is clear in the
                Bible also. God, merely because of Who He is, has the right to establish the
                rules. Yes, I believe that the Bible was written by men, but they were
                inspired by God's Spirit. He chose to have it done that way. Look at it this
                way, if it helps you. Consider each of these issues, what the Bible has to
                say about mankind (that includes women too), about God, and about Satan.
                Would a man or a woman have written what the Bible has to say about mankind?
                Would Satan? That leaves only God. Would man have written what the Bible
                says about God? Would Satan have written that about God (whom he hates &
                wanted to replace)? That leaves God. Would man have depicted Satan, who
                appears as an angel of light, the way the Bible describes him? Would Satan
                have described himself as the Bible describes him? Then, that leaves God. I
                know my views aren't popular, the Bible makes that clear also. I simply know
                that it is my duty to share God's word, and everyone must decide for
                themselves if they will accept it or reject it. God made salvation totally
                free for us, although it cost Him greatly. What do you think of a totally
                innocent person dying in the place of a wicked person? It doesn't sound
                fair, does it? But that is God's grace & mercy. Abundant & available for us
                all. All we need to do is accept it.
                To e-
                I know you don't think I know what I am talking about. That is your
                opinion to which you are certainly entitled. However, Jesus is the Son of
                God, and when we all stand before Him, there can be no denying then. I truly
                hope you acknowledge Him before that day.
                avonlea

                ~~~~~~~~

                Hi Buffalo

                -"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will
                teach you to keep your mouth shut."--Ernest Hemmingway

                I must remember this one.

                Jim Mc Quain

                ~~~~~~~~

                <<<<buffalo says: ...Did you ever try the milk in the little
                sterillized by radiation containers .. Tasted great and you
                could store it on the hanger deck. Not to may people drank
                straight water anyhow , too much chlorine and JP-5 for it to
                taste right bug juice and coke hides all..>>>>

                Hey Shipmate, Yes, the UHT(Ultra High Temperature) milk does
                not need refridgeration until just before serving. But it had
                to be served ICE COLD to be acceptable. If I was out at sea
                for longer than 2 weeks(often), the fresh milk would run out
                and UHT was used. It was a much better product than powdered
                milk.

                Now, as to JP-5 jet fuel taste, and/or too much chlorine in the
                water, I guess I was lucky that the Snipes(engineers) on my ships
                were competent enough to knew how to keep various fluids separated.
                Now get back in the hole and make more water, I want a "Hollywood"
                shower tonight. Best regards, Uncle George, an old Seadog

                ~~~~~~

                <<<<If our employers had to pay a living wage to get a job done,
                there would be more "Stay at home Moms". BanderaJim>>>>

                Hey Shipmate, What is a "living wage?" A few years ago, WXYZ-TV
                in Detroit was interviewing a "scab" laborer who had crossed a
                union picket line during a strike. This man said that while those
                union machinists on strike won't work for $14/hr, I will, because
                I have been unemployed for six months and I have a family to care for.
                In this case, one man's "living wage" is not acceptable to another.
                Who's "living wage" do we take as the standard?

                Let's take two men, equally trained and experienced. One is single
                and the other is the father of three. Should the father's "living
                wage" be 4 times more than the single man's?

                And what about the man who works long hours, invests wisely, and
                now has income worth about five times the "living wage?" Should
                he be made to give up his excess earnings so that others can live
                better than they do currently? Tax the rich?

                Why do people get more training/education, or work longer hours?
                Simply, they want a higher standard of living then they currently
                have and thus, they want a higher "living wage." Putting a tax on
                hard work and initiative will only serve to decrease one's desire
                to better themselves and their families. Taking the results of one's
                labor for nothing in return is a form of slavery.

                In reality, "living wage" is a code for the Marxist maxim, "From
                each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

                Best regards, Uncle George

                ~~~~~~~~

                Hi Buff,

                After reading another comment from someone wanting solid concrete proof that
                Iraq's crazy leader actually has weapons of mass destruction. (Not
                distruction, BTW) That reminds me of the situation whereas the police can
                not do something about a threat to an individual until the threat is
                actually carried out. Not that the police don't want to do something, just
                that they are restricted by our laws in the United States of America. So
                now the thing is, don't restrict our government in it's ability to deal with
                a very real threat to it's citizens, and the world. Why would you trust
                anyone that has been proven to lie and cheat at every opportunity? Once,
                shame on them, twice, shame on you.

                Paul, from Downunder

                ~~~~~~

                > For David in Ga: I use Earthlink also and haven't had a problem until
                > recently when for some reason anything with an attachment is
                > "flagged" and cannot be opened. This is in Outlook Express. Do you
                > know how I could get these attachments "unflagged"? I can send them
                > to my other email address at Yahoo and open them there, but really
                > would prefer to open them at my Outlook address.
                >
                > Maggie in Pa

                To David and Maggie;
                I am having the same problem with OE operating with W-98 Sp'l Ed (that's
                Spetial Edition, not Special Education... by golly maybe that's the problem,
                I have to join a Sp'l Ed. class). It started about three weeks ago. I
                first thought that the P I's at Uncle Bills Detective Agency were reading
                the attachments looking for key words that would denote possible terrorist
                activity. I changed my mind today when an attachment to an official e-mail
                from the PA State Police headquarters was flagged. An other e-mail from a
                friend had an old photo of me as an attachment. It too was flagged. I have
                a beard but I don't think I look like a terrorist. Boy if either of you
                cats, or anyone for that matter, find the answer to this problem, please
                Lemeno (that's Brooklynese for let me know).

                By the way, does anyone have a toll-free number for MS. The MS web page
                doesn't recognize the fact that there are loads of us who are not interested
                in resource hungry XP.

                Buff, per your recent info I am not asking for a "Request Read Receipt".
                However can you lemeno if am sending this E properly.

                Dan d'Lion

                buffalo says looks good to me Dan heh heh reminds me of the Church
                Lady from SNL" Isn't that Spetial" wonder if Bill Gates used that ?


                ~~~~~~

                Although he pretty much destroyed
                the chances of using the gun as evidence ,

                That reminds me of a true story back in '71 where I used to live in Rocky
                Point Oregon (about half way between Klamath Falls and Medford)...

                We had a local deputy named Art Leslie (AKA Barney Fife or Deputy Dawg), who
                was somewhat of a dipshit -- among other things.

                He had just gotten off duty and was sitting in the coffee shop attached to a
                bar that I worked in and two teenage boys came running in (apparently they
                saw his patrol car parked out front). They told a story of a man parked at
                the local marina (on Klamath Lake) that had a hose running from his exhaust
                pipe to the driver's door wing window and the car was running.

                Did our fearless Klamath County deputy race to the scene to investigate? Of
                course not! He had to finish his cup of coffee "Then I'll be there."

                Half of Rocky Point went to the marina to check this out (believe me, that
                was the highlight of the month for that sleepy little burg), and waited for
                Leslie to show up. Eventually he did with the teenagers.

                He told them to open the driver's door. They told him no. He threatened to
                take their fishing licenses if they didn't. The told him to go ahead.

                Finally, after drawing his gun, he walked up to the car (still running, of
                course), kicked the driver's door once, and then opened it.

                Of course the man inside was dead, but Art Leslie lived up to his nickname
                of Barney Fife that day.

                That's not all in the Art Leslie Legend, but that's for another time.

                Loney

                ~~~~~

                Re: ganny
                My husband has a very good job for 23 years have never considered myself
                frugal or anywhere near semi-poverty.


                Osmanjokat

                ~~~~

                One big statement about only getting a raise every 6 months ...
                awwwwwwww! And why wouldn't you think customers at KFC shouldn't get
                what they ordered? If you screwed it up, they have a right to complain
                ....... especially if they got home and discovered the order
                was wrong or incomplete. I've BEEN to KFC and ordered a 2 piece box -
                got home and found one of the chicken pieces looked like the part of the
                chicken that went over the fence last!!! I haven't been back since.
                You think that's what I expected when I ordered it?

                jean


                ~~~~~~~

                Hey Buffalo,

                You might remember me from about a year ago. At that time I was entering
                Navy boot camp. Today is my one year annisversary in the Navy. I'm over
                half way through Nuclear Power School, here in Charleston, SC. Then in
                January it's on to prototype in New York. I've been having a great time so
                far. Just thought that I would drop you a note and let you know what's been
                going on in my life.

                ET3 Paulson

                buffalo says Congratulations , great program with a great future.
                Came close to giving it a try myself as a Machinist mate but opted for
                conventional snipe instead. .

                ~~~~~~~
                ; This is to Janna O'Shea. In regards to your thoughts
                on people learning English that live in America. You
                stated "but i do not agree about forcing people to
                learn our language;.

                I missed the original post, but do agree when in Rome, do what the
                Romans do. I spent four years in Uncle Sam's Boy Scouts and spent two
                years in El Paso, Texas, just over the Mexican border. Went over quite
                frequently. Learned enough of the language to get by, Uno Cerveza pour
                fa vor (sp?). Then shipped out to Germany and lived there for three
                years. Lived ;on the economy and shopped in German stores.
                Learned enough of their language to get by, Ein Beir bitte (sp?).
                While English is one of the major languages in the world, it isn't the
                only. When visiting or living in a country where they do not speak
                your language it is only common courtesyto speak theirs.

                Robert


                ~~~~

                Good Morning Buffalo

                A little history: during World War II Non-commissioned officers were
                recruited to fly cargo planes and bombers. I don't know if any of them flew
                pursuit planes. During my tour (1956-1957) at Nouasseur AFB near
                Casablanca, Morocco the last of the flying sergeants retired.

                Jim Mc Quain

                ~~~~~~

                have to say Tracy is right there on the money.People are rude very rude.
                there are people that go out of there way to start trouble just cause they
                are having a bad day. They are in every store , where ever you look they are
                there . I was in a store shoping for food it was full and hard to get
                around.I bumped into a old man with my carrage.. Low and behind me there he
                was. following me did not thing it than but after going down the 3rd isle he
                ran up behind me and hit my ankles in the back. I was glad i had my western
                boots on or i would most likely been. than when i turned around he was (
                runing back down the isle) and turn the corner. no matter how much i
                appolijsed he had to have his POUND OF FLESH.
                tRACY THE YEARS OF CUTISY ARE GONE

                Rnicka

                ~~~~~~~

                P.S. IT IS NICE TO HAVE A PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY YOU CAN RESPECT.
                I JUST HOPE WE CAN GET A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS ELECTED IN THE SENATE TO
                MAKE HIS JOB A LITTLE EASIER.

                BUCKEYE JACK

                I didn't know it was nice to respect a President who deserted from the Texas
                Air National Guard.
                With two years left in his six-year obligation to the Texas Air National
                Guard, 1st Lt. George W. Bush was mysteriously suspended from flight - and
                never again reported for a single day of duty
                Dave

                ~~~~~~~

                to pete

                Ozzy and Anna Nicole....OMYG that would be a really scary thing. Now that
                I've seen from the commercials Anna Nicole's show is done for the
                season...Hopefully the show and Anna Nicole will never be seen again.


                MT


                ~~~~~~~

                08:07 Oct-31-02, 25 Cheshvan 5763

                Chechen Terrorists to be Buried in Pigskin
                According to the Moskovski Komsomol newspaper, Russian security forces
                have decided to bury the terrorists from last's week's hostage siege
                wrapped in pig's skin. The aim is to deter potential Islamic terrorists
                from future attacks.

                Shahidi (Jihad martyrs) believe by their nefarious acts that they ascend
                immediately to heaven. Using their beliefs against them, wrapping their
                corpses in 'unclean' pigskin prevents them from entering heaven for
                eternity.

                http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=32749

                Big Roger

                ~~~~~~

                To Killer Ray in Tenn
                How am i in violation of the truth. Because, and let me quote from LJ, i do
                not think ""ignorant"" people should be chided for not learning our
                language? i do agree it is easier if you learn it but no one should be
                forced to. Oh, and believe me, i do not support Hillary in any way. However,
                please do not make assumptions about new york. My fabrication about my
                friend...why don't you drop her an email and ask her. keebztheelf

                ~~~~~~

                Quotes:

                The politician in my country seeks votes, affection and
                respect, in that order.... With few notable exceptions, they
                are simply men who want to be loved.
                - Edward Roscoe Murrow, 1908 - 1965

                Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote.
                - George Jean Nathan

                Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half
                never voted for President. One hopes it is the same half.
                - Gore Vidal

                Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you
                may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never
                lost.
                - John Quincy Adams, 1767 - 1848

                People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war, or
                before an election.
                - Otto von Bismarck, 1815 - 1898

                Jack Cook


                ~~~~~~

                "Congratulations to Saddam Hussein on being elected to another seven-year
                term. It was very close. He received 99 percent of the vote, and one percent
                of the vote went for last-minute candidate Frank Lautenberg."

                ...David Letterman

                "Robert Torricelli, a powerful fund-raiser who helped raise more than $100 m
                illion for the Democratic party, took inappropriate gifts from a
                businessman, including an $8,000 gold Rolex watch, for which he was severely
                admonished by the Senate Ethics Committee in July. To recap: raising $100
                million in contributions from gigantic corporations - ethical; taking a
                watch - unethical. That's the Senate Ethics Committee, an oxymoron since
                1974."

                ...Jon Stewart

                Richard A. Wright

                ~~~~~~~

                An Old Geezer

                Yes, I am an old geezer. Why?

                Because I open doors for ladies, even if they do not want them opened.

                Because I hold my hand over my heart, often with tears in my eyes when the
                flag passes by.

                Because when someone offers a prayer, I close my eyes in ernest.

                Because I respect the teachers of the world, and I still believe the police
                are our
                friends.

                Because I believe in black and white, right and wrong, discounting the grey
                as
                false.

                Beause I believe I should sacrifice my time to vote, to worship, to help
                others
                even if I am tired.

                Because when I read about a vet who died, I shed a tear.

                As I look back on my life, I realize I was born an old geezer. You know
                something? I am dam(I cannot curse) proud of it!

                B.J. Cassady

                ~~~~~~~~

                HEY BUFF
                IS THERE A WAY TO FIND VETERANS BY THERE OLD SERIAL NUMBERS.
                I HAVE AN OLD W-II CANTEEN WITH A LOT OF NUMBERS PUT ON IT BY SOME THAT USED
                IT IN THE SERVICE THEY SCRATCHED THEM ON IT WITH KNIVES, NAILS ETC MOST SEEM
                TO BE IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC.
                THANKS RENGOLDEN

                ~~~~~~

                Hi Buffalo,

                This is mostly diercted to Don of Niagra Falls. Regarding finding military
                records, I tried to find mine due to the fact that my DD-214 has come up
                missing.No worries though as I was one of the enlightened few that
                registered mine at the local Courthouse.

                I only write because of a fire that supposedly happened in St. Louis several
                years ago. My Military records must have been in that fire because they have
                no record of my ever having been in the military.

                I tried to search by my original RA number and also my later SS number. To
                add insult to injury, I also tried to get some information from Birth
                Records someplace else and I find that I wasn't even born.

                Yes, I was adopted but I know my Birth Name as well as where and when I was
                born and I do have a certified copy of the adoption Birth Certificate as
                well as a later issue of what passes as a Birth Certificate from the
                Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

                I guess the point I am getting at is that our system of record keeping isn't
                all that great in this computer age that we all live in now.

                Enjoy your comments too Don as well as most of the rest of the comments in
                the Scuttlebutt. Great Idea you had Buffalo, to seperate them from the
                regular lists.

                Oldcat

                ~~~~~


                Reading the Scuttlebutt is one of the few daily rituals I observe. Sometimes
                I really agree and sometimes I really disagree but I always go away with an
                opinion.

                My strongest opinion to date is that religion and politics have been
                thoroughly covered. PLEASE move on to other things.

                The Flea Problem discussion has been a welcome diversion. Even buffalo's
                hind quarters are more interesting than politics and religion after a time.

                Remember "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one".

                klg

                ~~~~~~~

                Re:Dear Mr. Ex-Press by Dianne, Here are a few things we to thank the
                current pres for:

                This is a Good Start...
                1. Breaking of International Treaties on a whim
                2. A cabinet full of conficts of interest(Think Pitt, Norton, White, Rice,
                Cheney...)
                3.Market in the tank....
                4.2 Million jobs lost since Bush took office
                5.129 Billion Surplus to 500 Billion defecite in 11 months
                6.Massive repeal of environmental laws
                7.First increase in poverty rate in more than a decade
                8.Nominated an Iran-Contra Co-Conspiriter to head Latin American State
                departement affairs. Within 60 days, a questionable coup in Venezuala was
                barely held off...
                9. First ever lawsuit of the executive branch by the GAO.
                9. Failed to stop Al-Queda.
                10. Failed to get Bin-Lauden(They White House may want to ask George Bush
                Sr....He was meeting with members of the Bin-Lauden Family on Sept. 10th.And
                oh yea, were allowed to leave the country over the protests of the INS and
                FBI)
                11. Failed to get Mulla Omar.
                12. Afganistan is, once again, a lawless frontier, with the exception of
                Kabul and the area of the future pipeline from the Caspian sea oil fields.
                13. Pakistan is now gripped by a pro-Islamic wave due to the Governments
                role in the "war"
                14.Saudi Arabia refused airspace or basing for the "War" on Iraq
                15. Crime is up for the fist time in a decade
                16. Boosted arms transfers to Columbia, Which millions have been already
                stolen and Amnesty International recently named the Government "The most
                violent in the Hemisphere"
                17.Attempted to begin oil drilling in National Parks due to "Energy
                Independence" Yet, strangely, refuses to stop petroleum exports which
                account for fully 1/3 of US oil production and refuses to raise fuel milage
                qoutas.
                18. Signed so-called "Bankrupcy reform", which removes bankrupcy protection
                from middle income Americans, while preserving it for the wealthy. In the
                middle of a long recession this is unbelievably irresponsible. Even Clinton,
                who never met a corporate donor he didn't like, wouldn't sign this.
                19. Drunk driver....former coke user...
                20. AWOL from military service(Absolutely no excuse. As one who spent 8
                years in uniform, this is offensive)
                21. Got the riff raff out of the White House??..See # 2
                22. Told the UN to go to hell?? You see how effective that was....Even the
                Brits are "Reconsidering" the position on Iraq(To qoute Blair last week)


                This is good start??? Tell that to the 2 million of your fellow Americans
                who have lost their jobs.....
                Jack Cook

                buffalo says I want to blame the president for my spider bite and
                the over ripe apple in my lunch yesterday . There now he is responsible
                for everything and I still agree with the majority of the Americans that he
                is doing a Great Job under pressures that no other president has had to
                face in the past 25 years.


                ~~~~~~

                OMG!!!! Someone from Florida that actually almost admits that they voted
                for GW. I'll bet you even voted for Jeb. I just have one question, how many
                times did you vote?? You are one of the very few people that I have
                heard of from Florida that will almost admit that they voted for either one
                of them.

                Don

                I am a Florida Voter, I live in Tampa, and I voted for our president and I
                also voted for his brother our governor, and I just voted a second time for
                Jeb in what I hope will be his reelection. The only thing I am ashamed of,
                are the
                morons in South Florida who can't vote without help.

                Will from Tampa

                Remember 9/11
                Terror delendus est.

                ~~~~~~~

                To Hummy,
                I asked my friend who recently moved back to Indiana if she remembered
                anything like what you were talking about. Hope it helps. This was her
                reply:

                "There's a place in Anderson, Indiana called Mockingbird Park. Years ago
                I saw a few bluegrass, and other country concerts there. it was a long
                time ago, but I assume it's still there."

                TC R


                ~~~~~~~~~

                Hey, Don.

                I'm in Florida and I admit I voted for Bush. Just got back from doing it
                again.

                Bob S.

                ~~~~~

                Hey Buff,
                Isn't Daffy Duck running in this election? Seems to me he'd be the
                best man ( duck ) for the job !!!!
                Anne from Ontario

                buffalo says he dropped out decided politics wasn't all it had quacked
                up to be.

                ~~~~~~

                Ganny: "BJ CASSADY : God bless you friend. It will get better, although I
                know
                you are probably wondering how it could."

                Thanks Ganny, but my perspective is fine. I have my God, my church family,
                a
                lot of
                best friends, I am optimistic by nature and know that whatever happens is
                for
                the best.

                BJ, MIKE FARRELL, CHARLILLO : I like your open-mindedness on this
                subject of religion. Keep on...

                Thanks again Ganny. Some things are personal such as: religion, your stance
                on
                abortion, and homemade chili. I feel with the proper moral training and
                attitude,
                we know what is right, however it is wrong to impose our belief upon others.
                I
                feel God gave us the right to choose, whereas Satan would present us with no
                choices.
                Why do more people believe in God than believe in Satan? A reasonable
                question for the herd.

                BJ Cassady

                ~~~~~~

                Hey, I've loved every minute of it! But here lately, all I do is save your
                emails to read later and I never get to read them! Maybe I'll get back to
                you later. Hope so! Just want you to know I have a file full of unread
                Buffalo jokes to savor on a rainy day. ;)
                c. ><>

                ~~~~~~~

                "What scares me is that the United States has gone from a
                defensive posture to an offensive one. It really appears to me that the
                United States knows it's the only super power in the world and that no
                country except china can oppose us in anything our country deciedes to do.
                This attitude is totally wrong and is going to get this country into a lot
                of trouble as well as a lot of americans killed.
                MT"

                Dec 7th, 1944, 9-11-2001 we were a defensive nation. I think the rules
                have changed. Better to zap the bad guys than have them zap us(in the
                war against terror). The second point about Iraq is more fuzzy to me.
                I am not 100 percent in favor of the war, but if war breaks out, I will
                support our men in the field with all I have. A side note. Does anyone
                really think our troops in Saudi are there to protect Saudi from invasion
                or are they there to prevent an oil embargo? What do you think?
                Japan bombed Pearl because we froze their assests and cut off their oil.
                Like it or not, oil is the lifeblood of modern nations and anyone who thinks
                we will not do whatever we have to do to retain the oil flow, is naive. Is
                this
                right or wrong? Again I suggest let's use our shale oil(500 year supply).

                BJ Cassady

                ~~~~~~~~

                Dear BanderaJim,

                "Ballistic Fingerprinting (BF)" is an absolute waste of time and money for
                several reasons:

                1. Any person of average intelligence can, with a rat tial file, change the
                "Fingerprint" of a weapon in about 5 minutes.

                2. I live in New York which has had BF in effect of over 2 years for hand
                guns and has yet to obtain a conviction using this technology.

                3. Over 80 % of gun related crimes are committed with unregistered, or
                stolen weapons.

                4. Any new BF law, or data base, would only apply to new weapons sold. It
                would not apply to the millions of weapons already sold. I can just see
                "them" trying to get all the current owners to bring their weapons in for
                testing. I believe that many "honest" owners would comply, but, see the next
                point.

                5. A computer expert (speaking of crime data bases) has stated that, based
                upon current technology, the BF data base would soon become so large as to
                be unmanagable; i.e. the current human fingerprint data base takes weeks to
                match fingerprints (the TV shows that show it happening in minutes are pure
                Hollywood) and only 1/3 of the states participate and provide input.

                6. Now the big story, the DC Sniper, that caused this debate. His rifle has
                been traced to a gun shop in Washington State. But, there is no record of
                sale. The weapon appears to have "walked" out of the shop. The is no
                evidence that either Muhammad or Malvo even visited the shop. So the
                question is, even if there were a BF data base, how would the police connect
                the rifle to the sniper. The only way is as it happened, they caught him
                with the rifle.

                7. And finally. Who pays for the testing?
                --
                Don of Niagara Falls

                ~~~~~~

                Hey Buffalo, s'me again.
                I am in need of information. Can you or any of the herd tell me where I can
                find crew lists for Great Lakes boats in the early 20th
                Century...specifically I am looking for a listing of the crews of the ROUSE
                SIMMONS (Christmas Tree Ship went down off Manitowoc WI somewhere in
                November of 1912 and the THREE SISTERS which went down earlier in the same
                month and year also in Lake Michigan.
                My wife had a greatuncle who was lost in a shipwreck on Lake Michigan
                (according to an aunt). He was married in 1903 and lived at least long
                enough to sire a son. He is listed in the family bible as having died in
                November but no year is given. In searching November Shipwrecks prior to
                1913 and after 1904, the two above named ships seem to be the only wrecks
                listed.
                Her greatuncle's body was found washed up in the spring (we don't know
                where) and there was a watch found on his person and a cameo he had
                apparently gotten for his wife...the watch is ticking on my desk as I type.
                Bit worn on the back and a small crack in the edge of the crystal. I would
                imagine it was repaired after being found.
                His body was shipped home to Collingwood Ontario in a metal casket. We
                aren't sure what cemetary he was buried in so it will take some time to find
                his marker and thus determine the precise year of his death.
                Any help would be greatly appreciated. I can be emailed at mojoman@...
                My wife is the last of her father's line and we would love to get some
                history.
                Mojo


                ~~~~~~~~


                Greetings from a fellow vet and iron-headed Ironhead devotee. I ride a
                '66 (on a '78 frame for the front discs) thats been stroked and as of
                this last spring is punched .70 over, what the hell do those factory
                weenies know anyhow? I still run the original magneto ignition. There are
                very few on the roads that can stay with us through the 1/8 mile but
                we're pretty much ready to float the pistons by the time we hit the 1/4
                mile mark. For years my buddies have derided my choice to stick with the
                sporty rather than move up to a "grown ups" ride but it goes in one ear
                and out the other. I will never part with "Excalibur" , however, it's
                getting damn hard to kick that stubborn old bitch over without her
                kicking back enthusiastically, so I am entertaining the possibility of a
                second ride, my one,and maybe only, definite requirement for the new
                ride- push-button starter(with the kicker also of course) and just maybe
                a seat wth actual padding in it. I've logged countless miles(no speedo,
                just oil temp and tach) just cruising the blacktops of the mid-westen
                states with "X" and consider her part of the family, as do my wife and
                three daughters. I'm always glad to meet, or in this case hear from/about
                another iron-assed sporty fan, anytime you pass through the mid-Iowa area
                you're welcome at my door.

                Shep

                ~~~~~~

                Now that the elections are over, I challenge you to think about something.
                Here in New York an indepentant candidate, Tom Golisano, ran for Govenor. He
                spent around 65 million dollars to run for an office that paid about
                $100,000.00. He only recieved around 16 % of the vote. If you have been
                watching the news, you must have heard about the hugh amounts of money being
                spent by the politicians to get elected. My estimates are that billions of
                dollars are/have been spent to get so-and-so elected.

                Now, think about it. What if the politicans used that money to fund
                scholarships. How many young people could go to college? Golisano alone
                could have sent at least 650 young people to college. What better way to
                benefit America?
                --
                Don of Niagara Falls


                ~~~~~~~~

                If you don't understand the Democrats' version of tax cuts (and you are not
                alone), this will explain it for you:

                50,000 people go to a baseball game, but the game was rained out. A refund
                was then due. The team was about to mail refunds when the Congressional
                Democrats stopped them and suggested that they send out refund amounts based
                on the Democrat National Committee's interpretation of fairness.

                After all, if the refunds were made based on the price each person paid for
                the tickets, most of the money would go to the wealthiest ticket holders.
                That would be unconscionable. The DNC plan says:

                People in the $10 seats will get back $15, because they have less money to
                spend. Call it an "Earned" Income Ticket Credit". Persons "earn" it by
                demonstrating little ambition, few skills and poor work habits, thus keeping
                them at entry-level wages.

                People in the $25 seats will get back $25, because that's only fair.

                People in the $50 seats will get back $1, because they already make a lot of
                money and don't need a refund. If they can afford a $50 ticket, then they
                must not be paying enough taxes.

                People in the $75 luxury seats will have to pay another $50, because they
                have way too much to spend.

                The people driving by the stadium who couldn't afford to watch the game will
                get $10 each, even though they didn't pay anything in, because they need the
                most help.

                Now do you understand? If not, contact Representative Richard Gephart or
                Senator Tom Daschle for assistance.

                -=-=-=-

                But if you want to be a GOOD Democrat, there are some prerequisites you
                must have first. Compare the below and see how you rate.

                1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
                funding.


                2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how
                to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.


                3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding Americans, are
                more of a threat than U.S.nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese
                communists.


                4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.


                5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
                cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by
                yuppies driving SUVs.


                6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual
                is natural.


                7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.


                8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
                create prosperity.


                9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
                activists from Seattle do.


                10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
                doing something to earn it.


                11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians start wars.


                12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of
                the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain parts
                of the Constitution.


                13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.


                14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
                important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee
                or Thomas Edison.


                15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
                quotas and set-asides aren't.


                16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.


                17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
                anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in
                charge.


                18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but
                a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.


                19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
                transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger
                scenes at Christmas should be illegal.


                20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the Chinese
                is somehow in the best interest of the United States.


                ~~~~~~~~~~
                Vote Democratic... It's easier than getting a job.



                Lurch

                ~~~~~~


                This guy writes for Sports Illustrated.......if you've never tried it, it's
                well worth the ride.......

                On a Wing and a Prayer, by Rick Reilly

                Now this message for America's most famous athletes:
                Someday you may be invited to fly in the back seat of one of your country's
                most powerful fighter jets. Many of you already have -- John Elway, John
                Stockton, Tiger Woods to name a few. If you get this opportunity, let me
                urge you, with the greatest sincerity.... Move to Guam. Change your name.
                Fake your own death. Whatever you do, do not go. I know.

                The U.S. Navy invited me to try it. I was thrilled. I was pumped. I was
                toast! I should've known when they told me my pilot would be Chip (Biff)
                King of Fighter Squadron 213 at Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach.
                Whatever you're thinking a Top Gun named Chip (Biff) King looks like, triple
                it. He's about six-foot, tan, ice-blue eyes, wavy surfer hair,
                finger-crippling handshake -- the kind of man who wrestles dyspeptic
                alligators in his leisure time. If you see this man, run the other way.
                Fast. Biff King was born to fly.

                His father, Jack King, was for years the voice of NASA missions. ("T-minus
                15 seconds and counting...." Remember?) Chip would charge neighborhood kids
                a quarter each to hear his dad. Jack would wake up from naps surrounded by
                nine-year-olds waiting for him to say, "We have a liftoff." Biff was to fly
                me in an F-14D Tomcat, a ridiculously powerful $60 million weapon with
                nearly as much thrust as weight, not unlike Colin Montgomerie.

                I was worried about getting airsick, so the night before the flight I asked
                Biff if there was something I should eat the next morning.

                "Bananas," he said."

                For the potassium?" I asked. "No," Biff said, "because they taste about the
                same coming up as they do going down."

                The next morning, out on the tarmac, I had on my flight suit with my name
                sewn over the left breast. (No call sign -- like Crash or Sticky or
                Leadfoot - but still, very cool.) I carried my helmet in the crook of my
                arm, as Biff had instructed. If ever in my life I had a chance to nail
                Nicole Kidman, that was it.

                A fighter pilot named Psycho gave me a safety briefing and then fastened me
                into my ejection seat, which, when employed, would "egress" me out of the
                plane at such a velocity that I would be immediately knocked unconscious.
                Just as I was thinking about aborting the flight, the canopy closed over me,
                and Biff gave the ground crew a thumbs-up. In minutes we were firing nose
                up at 600 mph. We leveled out and then canopy-rolled over another F-14.
                Those 20 minutes were the rush of my life.

                Unfortunately, the ride lasted 80 minutes. It was like being on the roller
                coaster at Six Flags Over. Only without rails. We did barrel rolls, snap
                rolls, loops, yanks and banks. We dived, rose and dived again, sometimes
                with a vertical velocity of 10,000 feet per minute.

                We chased another F-14, and it chased us. We broke the speed of sound. Sea
                was sky and sky was sea. Flying at 200 feet we did 90-degree turns at 550
                mph, creating a G-force of 6.5, which is to say I felt as if 6.5 times my
                body weight was smashing against me, thereby approximating life as Mrs.
                Colin Montgomerie.

                And I egressed the bananas. I egressed the pizza from the night before.
                And the lunch before that. I egressed a box of Milk Duds from the sixth
                grade. I made Linda Blair look polite. Because of the G's, I was egressing
                stuff that did not even want to be egressed. I went through not one airsick
                bag, but two. Biff said I passed out. Twice.

                I was coated in sweat. At one point, as we were coming in upside down in a
                banked curve on a mock bombing target and the G's were flattening me like a
                tortilla and I was in and out of consciousness, I realized I was the first
                person in history to throw down. I used to know cool. Cool was Elway
                throwing a touchdown pass, or Norman making a five-iron bite.

                But now I really know cool. Cool is guys like Biff, men with cast-iron
                stomachs and freon nerves. I wouldn't go up there again for Derek Jeter's
                black book, but I'm glad Biff does every day, and for less a year than a
                rookie reliever makes in a home stand.

                A week later, when the spins finally stopped, Biff called. He said he and
                the fighters had the perfect call sign for me. Said he'd send it on a patch
                for my flight suit. What is it? I asked. "Two Bags."

                Don't you dare tell Nicole.


                Via Jack Cook
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                  Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
                  ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
                  sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
                  useful info was spread )

                  Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
                  due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
                  profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
                  Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind


                  If as you say, GW was taken off flight duty, that had to come from official
                  channels. If he then was placed on inactive reserve, or released from duty
                  all together, that had to come from official channels. While he may have had
                  family or friends help him achieve this, it is still official and therefore
                  not desertion. When I was going through Air Force basic training, there was
                  one kid (about 17, which I was also) who wanted out so bad, he called the
                  White House. How he got through, I don't know but I and several other
                  trainees were standing around the phone booth when he did it. The topper is,
                  he got through to President Carter himself (you can't mistake that accent).
                  He had an Honorable Discharge the next day. Is what he did right? That's for
                  each individual to decide, but it wasn't desertion.
                  Here in Lubbock this year, we have processed about 6 deserters through our
                  jail. The military didn't ignore them, they came and got them. They probably
                  only face a dishonorable discharge, but they aren't just let go. I doubt GW
                  deserted or was just let go either.

                  Jay
                  Lubbock, Tx

                  ~~~~~~~

                  Hi Buffalo,
                  Thanks for the tip in today's Scuttlebutt. I have been sitting here for
                  months
                  reading everyone else's commentary and stories and following the
                  discussions.
                  But, uh, gee I feel stupid, I couldn't figure out on my own where to
                  write to!
                  The next time I really want to share something I am going to jump right
                  into
                  the water barrel! (Wearing a life preserver, of course.)
                  Love the Chips, the Lite Chips, and will now like the Scuttlebutt more
                  knowing
                  I can be heard!
                  Brika (And no, folks, that is not pronounced "think as a brick." Try
                  'Breeka.')
                  buffalo says You're already in and it didn't hurt a bit , watch out for the
                  water spiders though.

                  `~~~~~~~

                  You are one of the very few people that I have
                  heard of from Florida that will almost admit that they voted for either one
                  of them.

                  Don



                  Sorry to burst your little bubble there Mr. Liberal but I am a Native
                  Floridian who was proud to have voted for all 3 Bushs. And I voted here in
                  Jacksonville on the 5th for Jeb again to put the liberal dim-o-craps back on
                  the shelf for another 4 years. Anyone who would vote for a replacement for
                  Jeb at this time doesn't have a thought in his head. Yeah, what a great
                  idea!
                  Lets get rid of the Only Governor in the 50 States that has a Private Line
                  to
                  the White House . And is Son to a pervious President, with influence in so
                  many areas that you will never see. The only people that admit to voting for
                  Gore were the ones chewing the crayons at the rest home. The Local
                  Democratic
                  Machine in Florida was caught offering money to "Seasoned Citizens" in the
                  nursing homes for their votes during the last election. What was you payoff
                  rate for your vote?

                  Inkster

                  ~~~~~~~

                  Hi Buffalo

                  Dec 7th, 1944, 9-11-2001 we were a defensive nation.

                  I assume BJ Cassady just made a typo moving Pearl Harbor Day from 1941 to
                  almost the end of WWII.

                  Jim Mc Quain

                  ~~~~~

                  To Deb In Wisconsin,
                  Good to know your Ex hasn't totally abandoned his
                  kids. My Ex lives a 5 minute drive from us..........the !@^!&**((&^@, Sorry
                  that was my outside voice !!!!! He is a real piece of work in't he ?
                  Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I get so frustrated when I think of all the times he should
                  have been there for the kids, eg. Graduation's,Holidays,Hospital stays etc.
                  I'm all riles up now/again !!!!! Good thing I'm staying in tonight lol. But
                  like you said the main thing is I got out when I did. the kids know that
                  abuse is not Acceptable behavior and it is not to be
                  tolerated........period. I can only work pt time due to health issues and I
                  do receive a disability chq. each month. My parents help out when they can,
                  but it burns my ASS because it isn't there responsibility. However I do
                  believe what goes around comes around...........heheheh Can you imagine a
                  VooDoo Doll ?!?!??!?!?!
                  Anne from Ontario
                  ( its been therapeutic for me )

                  ~~~~~~~

                  Hi Buffalo

                  The last time I was on a troop ship, a trip of about 30 days from Oakland to
                  Vung Tau, the mess personnel froze little individual containers of milk and
                  thawed them out just before meals. At least they usually thawed them out.
                  Sometimes we had milkcicles. The taste was certainly better than
                  reconstituted powdered milk which I had to endure during the occupation of
                  Japan.

                  Jim Mc Quain


                  ~~~~~~~~

                  To Robert
                  No, i completely agree it is a common courtesy to learn the language, it
                  makes it easier on everyone. but ive seen people yelled at because they dont
                  understand english, and i think thats wrong. i just disagree with the people
                  who go around protesting that anyone who lives in america should learn
                  english.

                  -janna

                  ~~~~~~~

                  Hey Buff,
                  Isn't Daffy Duck running in this election? Seems to me he'd be the
                  best man ( duck ) for the job !!!!
                  Anne from Ontario

                  buffalo says he dropped out decided politics wasn't all it had quacked
                  up to be.

                  hahahahahahhaaaaaaaaa Buff, ya made my day....thanks
                  Anne from Ontario o-)))

                  ~~~~~~~



                  BJ There are a lot of people out there looking for a nice guy like you.
                  Today a YOUNG fellow opened a door for me (I am twice his size and twice as
                  muscular so he wasn't thinking poor scrawny weak little lady), stood and
                  waited tilI entered, before he did - what a nice thing to happen.

                  Almost made up for the well dressed gent - oops, I mean person, who almost
                  knocked me off the platform trying to get on the elevated Metrorail first in
                  Miami.

                  A Lady BJ


                  ~~~~~~

                  Hey Bill, he's an Electronic Technician Third Class (ET3), different deck to
                  work on, he'll be up in the 02 area.
                  Jing's, USN-Ret.

                  re:

                  Hey Buffalo,

                  You might remember me from about a year ago. At that time I was entering
                  Navy boot camp. Today is my one year annisversary in the Navy. I'm over
                  half way through Nuclear Power School, here in Charleston, SC. Then in
                  January it's on to prototype in New York. I've been having a great time so
                  far. Just thought that I would drop you a note and let you know what's been
                  going on in my life.

                  ET3 Paulson

                  buffalo says Congratulations , great program with a great future.
                  Came close to giving it a try myself as a Machinist mate but opted for
                  conventional snipe instead. .

                  Actually he is Tricia a friend that we gave a big send off to last year
                  with collected advice on what to do and what not to do at boot camp.
                  Tricia will find a new home on the deckplates down below with the snipes on
                  a carrier or sub. Nuclear power is a land of twidgets and snipes working
                  side by side , ET's on the controls and MM's on the machinery.

                  ~~~~~

                  Jay, The 38th Parallel in Korea does not divide Communist North Korea from
                  the Democratic South as most folks think. It is the DMZ or De Mitiliarized
                  Zone which is the current "demarkation line" so to speak. I have been North
                  of the 38th more times than I would care to count when I was stationed in
                  Korea with the 7th Infantry Division. Long time ago but the line is still
                  the same. Oldcat

                  To Roy Jao, Taiwan was to ME the absolute best country in Far East Asia that
                  I ever lived. Yes, I did learn Mandarin and Taiwanese and even a little
                  Hakka during my time there which amounted to three and a half years as a
                  U.S. Government civilian working for the R.O.C.A.F. in Chiayi. If my work
                  permit had not run out and the Taiwanese Government would be a bit more
                  permissive about Visa's, I would still be there. As it was, I finally
                  decided that a trip to Hong Kong every thirty days was cost prohibitive so I
                  left the love of my life and returned to the U.S.A. Oldcat

                  P.S. My Lady Love teaches English there now. I would like to think that
                  perhaps I helped in some small way for her as she did for me. Mandarin for
                  English, English for Mandarin. Beet Su Beet Su. (One hand washes the other
                  ? )


                  To Tracy B at KFC in Canada, I belong to the Buffalo Herd. I too have
                  recieved orders that weren't quite what I asked for but 99% of the time, I
                  have overlooked it and put it down to over work, small wages, and perhaps
                  maybe a communication error. Read my comments to Jay from Taiwan. My
                  Mandarin wasn't all THAT good. Hee Hee Hee. :)


                  To Avonlea, Regarding the Bible, It too was written by men, but to my
                  upbringing as a child, it was written by men through the inspiration of God.
                  Our Honored Statesman Ben Franklin wrote: Serving God is doing good to man
                  but praying is thought an easier service and is therefore more generally
                  chosen. I don't go to church, I give more than I recieve, I pray for those
                  in need, but mostly, I try to remember that I have enough and I do thank God
                  for that. I Look at any one who is in poverty, loss of sight, hearing or a
                  limb and I have to say to myself, There but for the Grace of God Go I.


                  Uncle George. Your words are well spoken. To me a living wage is what I
                  happen to have in savings. No income other than a little intrest. About
                  $125.00 per month but when I was making the BIG BUCKS, I didn't try to keep
                  up with the Jonses, I either invested the excess or put extra money on
                  payments for my house and land. What is enough for one is poverty for
                  another. My children are grown and gone now and I lead a single life so
                  enough for me is way below poverty standards. I don't get food stamps nor
                  any other kind of assistance although if the darn heating gas keeps going up
                  in price, I may have to resort to living in a TeePee during the Winter
                  months. :)


                  To Don of Niagra Falls, I agree whole heartedly on your view of firearms
                  fingerprinting. Waste of time. Although you and I may have traveled in
                  different circles, you know how easy it is to make a "Zip Gun" which will be
                  totally untraceable to any manufacturer. IE: A Bamboo Bangalore Torpedo.


                  To Shep: Lord Gawd! There's another Ironhead left in the world? Mine is
                  stock but Ya have to understand that I'm 58 years young now and although I
                  used to ride a little harder than I do now, I find that it takes me a little
                  longer to heal too. I hope that you get the Bisonettes too beause there was
                  a "Biker's Creed" in there yesterday that I had to pass on to a few other
                  "Old Bro's". Don't happen to know where I can find a Harlot for my Harley do
                  you? Got a Sheila Down Under that asked me. She also told me that the
                  difference between a Harley and a Hoover was the position of the Dirtbag. :P


                  Sorry Buffalo but too many things in the scuttlebutt touched a Chord. If any
                  of the readers want to have a go at me, they can feel free to have their
                  say.Just have them yell at me at the following: Oldcat@... No promices
                  that I will respond to all because a Promice Made is a Debt Unpaid. Words
                  from the Cremation of Sam Mc Gee. I wish you all Fair seas and a following
                  wind.


                  ~~~~~

                  Love the chips and scuttlebutt. Wonderful job.



                  For BJ Cassady,

                  Thanks, BJ. You've given me the perfect username/handle. I didn't realize it
                  until you wrote about what you believe, but I am a geezer, too. Been one
                  longer than you have, and without even knowing I was one, it made life
                  interesting and satisfying all the way to now. Can females be geezers? I
                  refuse to use geezette. *LOL*

                  MaryE



                  For those ladies who are divorced and have raised, or are raising their
                  children alone, I can say to you in retrospect that your pride will be very
                  important to you. My kid's dad, making$ 55,000 a year magnanimously gave me
                  $400.00 a month for four kids, one in hight school. I refuse to fight it,
                  refused to be involved in the whole process, loaded my kids in the car and
                  came to Texas after waiting a year for him to come to his senses as to his
                  responsibilities. When I reminded him that when God gave us children he
                  expected us to take care of them. He told me very quickly how those children
                  came to be, unprintable here, and that God had nothing to do with it. I
                  found that very interesting at the time, and now it's more ludicrous because
                  here is a man who spends half his life in church. Go figure. However, I
                  digress. What I want to say to these women is that, while you might have a
                  real struggle if you don't go after this man tooth and nail, but if you
                  don't, you will come through with your pride and that of your children
                  intact. We can all rest now in the satisfaction that what we have, we got
                  ourselves and we are very proud of it. One of these kids is PhD in
                  engineering, one has a masters in finance, the other manages a company
                  herself. The oldes died just recently. She was physically disabled and lived
                  with me until her death.

                  Finally, don't let the creep color your life and determine your actions. Go
                  on with your life prayerfully, and you will win. I did. Best to any of you
                  out there doing this.

                  MaryE

                  One last thing. Can we PLEASE not discuss politics or religion any more?
                  I'd rather read about BJ and his pals and their cycles than what we have
                  been inundated with. I really believe it will accomplish nothing to waste
                  space here on the opinions of well-intentioned people who believe it will
                  change anything. Too many of them seem to be just looking for an argument.
                  Thanks for letting me have my say. I have a rule for life. Don't gripe
                  unless you have a possible solution. Let me see, ... Maybe we could talk
                  about "I really hate it when...". Just a suggestion. Maybe it will get
                  another discussion started.

                  MaryE

                  ~~~~~

                  LOL klg, I tried to change the subject. Did someone say chili? I'm looking
                  for a good recipe for chili. I must have blinked when you guys were talking
                  about chili LOL. barbjare nj

                  ~~~~~

                  To BJ CASSADY IT WAS Dec.7th 1941 not 1944 that Japan Bombed Pearl
                  Harbor.From one that was there. W Carr

                  ~~~~~~

                  hello buff,thanks for putting everyones opinions on the SB.hope you print
                  mine.this is wednesday after the best election yet.now its time we will be
                  hearing from the bleeding heart,poor me cry babys,the democrats.we might get
                  some business done in DC now.got the best President and both houses.I would
                  like to ask Jack cook,what turnip truck he fell off of ?I have never heard
                  such BS in my life.I would like to state what I think of Clinton:I served
                  four yrs. in the marines,as a human being I would'nt of had the gall being a
                  draft dodger to face the military as the President.but ole slick willie
                  did.The biggest liar in the country.Its funny how folks don't realize Bush
                  inherited eight years of liberal spending and screw-ups.but we got someone
                  that will do what it takes now.carry on.....John

                  ~~~~~~~~

                  Here is two news items that are examples of political correctness gone wild:

                  ***********************************
                  What Kind of Mickey Mouse Organization Is This?

                  "Walt Disney World is coming under pressure to unilaterally disarm by
                  eliminating all flintlocks of mass destruction from Frontierland. How can
                  you separate guns and the wild frontier? Do the principles of political
                  correctness think the West was won with an ACLU lawsuit?"

                  - Columnist Mike Thomas, Orlando Sentinel

                  ***********************************
                  If You Outlaw Toy Guns, Only Outlaws.

                  "Toys 'R' Us and eToys have stopped selling toy guns. Something that was
                  completely harmless in the relatively sane society of the early '60s
                  suddenly has become inappropriate and dangerous in the insane '00s. . . .
                  Toy guns do not poison minds. Adults do."

                  - Columnist Mike Thomas, Orlando Sentinel
                  --
                  Don of Niagara Falls

                  ~~~~~~~

                  From: Don of Niagara Falls

                  " 'Ballistic Fingerprinting (BF)' is an absolute waste of time and money for
                  several reasons:" (list follows)

                  Thank you, Thank you for making most of my points ! Now let's convince
                  everyone in Maryland ( the other state with BF) that they're wasting their
                  $$$ too!

                  Then we can work on the other 48.....

                  BanderaJim

                  ~~~~~

                  AMERICA

                  By Roger Dean Kiser


                  "O beautiful for spacious skies. For amber was of grain," sang the old man
                  underneath the railroad overpass.

                  "Can I stand by your fire and get warm?" I asked him.

                  "Sure Kid," he replied, stretching out his arm.

                  Once again I had run away from the orphanage. This time for being slapped
                  across the face for refusing to drink my warm powdered milk. Shouldn't you
                  be in school?" asked the old man. I just stood there warming my hands
                  against the 55 gallon drum. I didn't say a word.

                  "For purple mountain majesties. Above the fruited plain," he sang again.

                  "What's a "fruited plane" I asked him, as I moved my hand as though it were
                  an airplane.

                  "Fruited plains, my boy. They are the flat lands of American where all the
                  crops are grown. Like corn and wheat," he told me.

                  "I ain't never seen nothing like that before," I said.

                  "You will one day. America is a very beautiful and wonderful country." he
                  continued.

                  "How did you get to see all of America?" I asked him.

                  I was in the Navy," he answered.

                  Was you in the war too?" I asked.

                  "My brothers and I were at Pearl Harbor," he said in a broken voice.

                  "Do they stay under this bridge with you too?" I questioned.

                  "Afraid not, son. They was both killed in the Japanese attack." He said.
                  "AMERICA! AMERICA! God shed his grace of thee. And crown thy hood with
                  brotherhood from sea to shining sea," he sang. "I love that song," he said.

                  I just stood there not having any idea what he was singing or talking about.

                  "You know kid. This world is full of two types of people. There are the
                  "takers" and then there are the "givers." Which are you?" He asked me.

                  "I don't know," I told him.

                  "Come on, Boy. Let's go earn something to eat." He said, slapping me on the
                  back. He picked up his small back pack and he threw it over his shoulder.
                  Down the side of the road we began walking.

                  "You pick up papers and I'll look for coca coca bottles." He instructed.
                  Hour after hour we walked beside the road just talking and laughing with one
                  another. By six o'clock that evening we must have walked ten miles just
                  picking up papers and searching for bottles.

                  "Bottles is get'n a little heavy. Let's cash them in and head back to camp
                  and eat," he told me.

                  On the way back we walked into a small roadside store where we traded in the
                  bottles for fifty-six cents. The old man bought a package of hot dogs, a can
                  of pork-n-beans and a can of dog food.

                  "We ain't gonna eat no dog food are we?" I asked him.

                  "You'll see," said the man, as he laughed out loud.

                  Just before we got back to the freeway bridge we stopped in at a gas
                  station. We walked into the washroom and started to wash our hands and face.

                  "OK. You two bums get your butts out of here," yelled the gas station owner,
                  as he pushed the door open with his foot.

                  The old man said not a word. He just dried his face and then he walked
                  outside and stood there waiting on me.

                  "And don't come back here," said the man, as he spit some chewing tobacco
                  which landed on the shoe of the old man.

                  "We didn't mean to unconvinced anyone" he told the station owner.

                  "Just get out of here," said the man.

                  We took our days work and we headed back to camp. When we arrived the old
                  man opened the can of beans, and the dog food with his knife. Then he raked
                  the dog food out over by the bushes and he rinsed the can out with the water
                  from his canteen. Then he cut up the hot dogs into little pieces and he
                  mixed the pieces into the beans and divided them between us.

                  "What's that dog food for?" I asked him.

                  "Something will come along that's hungry," he told me. "You have to eat with
                  the sharp lid kid. So don't cut you tongue."

                  "Why did we have to pick up all those papers and trash?" I asked him, as we
                  were eating.

                  "It's like I told you this morning kid. There are "takers" in this life and
                  then there are "givers." Most people that I know are "takers." Today we gave
                  a little and we took a little," he said.

                  "America! America! God shed his grace on thee. And crown thy hood with
                  brotherhood. From sea to shining sea," he sang. "Are you going to be at
                  "taker or are you going to be a "giver" when you grown up," he asked me.

                  "I'm gonna be a "giver," I told him.

                  "I know you are boy," he said, smiling at me.

                  Later that evening the police came and took the two of us to the Duval
                  County Jail for loitering. I never saw him again after that. But I can tell
                  you this. I have never forgot meeting my first role model.

                  Roger Dean Kiser, Sr.
                  trampolineone@...

                  Via Lorrie Kolt
                  ~~~~~~~~~~

                  From Uncle George: "Hey Shipmate, What is a 'living wage?' "

                  Uncle George, PLEASE don't take what I said out of context; it wasn't the
                  socialist plot I guess it might have sounded like?

                  Down here in South Texas where I work, the wages are low because the
                  expectations of our hundreds of thousands of 'Foreign Exchange Students' are
                  low; what I was after was a more educated workforce that could COMMAND a
                  living wage.....

                  The beyond 9th grade drop-out rate for these kids is over 40%.


                  BanderaJim

                  ~~~~~

                  To barbjare in NJ.........I'm not too sure about what you can effectively
                  use on your cats or dogs to help get rid of the fleas, but there is
                  something that may help you tame those critters inside the house. As odd as
                  this is going to sound, try it. It really works.

                  My parents lived in New England for 14 years and doing the 'Advantage' and
                  'Program' stuff always worked for them. Until they moved into the deep, dark
                  south. The home that they purchased, albeit beautiful, was infested with
                  fleas, due to the numerous cats that the widow woman had adopted after the
                  death of her husband. The realtor 'sold' mom and dad on the house, both
                  literally, and figuratively, telling them that she knew of a little secret
                  that would help rid the house of this horrid infestation.

                  Go to your local grocery store and in the laundry detergant aisle, find the
                  old 20 Mule Team Boraxo dry detergant. Sprinkle on your carpet as you would
                  a carpet freshener, but leave it on the carpet for a few days, if you can.
                  You can walk on it and all, which would be great, because it would help to
                  crunch the detergant into the carpet some. After a few days, vaccuum as you
                  normally would. (Please wear socks, shoes, slippers, when passing through
                  the rooms that you 'sprinkle' as you never know if you may react)

                  There is something to this detergant that seems to kill the fleas. I don't
                  have a clue what it is, but I have had to resort to doing the same thing a
                  time or two since I have moved here and it has always worked. Of course, I
                  also tried to keep my cats indoors when I was doing this too because with
                  their walking and playing, the same detergant would get onto them and would
                  kill the fleas there too.

                  To the gentleman that said that is is an honor to serve your country and why
                  someone would lie about it, thank you so much.

                  I've had a problem with the US Military for a few years now, and that
                  statement helped me to put a few things into perspective.

                  You see, I tried in the mid 80's to be appointed into two different military
                  academies. I had the grades, I had the recommendations of my senators and
                  representatives (although I only needed one of each, I 'hit' every one up
                  and got them). I passed the written exam, the oral exam, but flunked the
                  physical. OH, I passed the physical......until they asked me AFTER all that
                  running around and testing and what-not..........if I had any allergies.
                  Yes, I do. I am allergic to penicillin and bee stings/bites.

                  Well, that was enough for them to 'discharge' me from service before I was
                  even officially indoctrinated!!! The penicillin they could deal with. It was
                  the bee stings that got me kicked out of the running. You see, even though
                  where I wanted to go, I would have spent months, at a time, out to sea, the
                  US Government could not take the chance that I would have a 'run in' with
                  one of those critters and have a reaction. I told them that I was more than
                  willing to give my time, my energy, my life to them and they were turning it
                  down?

                  I still haven't been able to figure this out. But thank you......to this
                  day, if I were able, I would still be proud to serve my country. 100% female
                  and all. And that is something that I do not lie about.

                  As for the your Grandma and her belief in God, I gotta love the way that she
                  handled the situations given her in her life. I personally look at anyone
                  that asks me to prove it (that the good Lord exists).......if man were so
                  capable of creating life, then how come it took us so long to 'publicly'
                  acknowledge it and when 'he' (man) did, the best the he could come up with
                  was test-tube babies, in-vitro and cloning? Only God is capable of doing all
                  of this without a test-tube, needles, or another copy as starters.

                  To deb in Wisconsin.........I can't believe that your 'ex' was only paying
                  you $100 a month. My ex was making less than your mentioned $35,000 per year
                  and I was getting almost that each week. I am not arguing that your figures
                  are wrong or anything. I just can't understand that the courts, on his
                  income, mandated that he pay that measley little sum. After all, you are
                  right. It doesn't matter who the check, or money order, cashiers check, etc.
                  is made out for.......it all goes to the well being of the child/children. A
                  roof over their heads, food in their bellies, clothing on their backs, shoes
                  on their feet, medical and dental needs, and everything else that goes with
                  having a child.

                  I have no room to talk any further on the subject as my ex is g*d knows
                  where now, with my son and two other children as part of his biological
                  blood and not one of them see's an ounce of a penny from him. I can't, and I
                  won't, speak for the other two children, but I do know
                  this..........although my present husband and I struggle at times to make
                  ends meet, the children have always, and will always, come first.

                  to BJ Cassidy.........well, with everything that you said about being an
                  'old geezer'.........at the, still tender age, of 36, I guess that I am an
                  OLD GEEZER too!!!!! Thanks for the love and the laughs and the tears,
                  however and whenever they may be!!!!!

                  ~~~~~~

                  I live in central Florida, love the weather, I have to admit that I
                  didn't vote for GW or Jeb the first time around but I did vote for Jeb this
                  time around. Why? Because I agreed with his views on the amendments he was
                  campaigning against and can't afford to pay much more in taxes then I
                  already do. What I really can't figure out is that the majority of people
                  who elected him this time around also voted for the amendments that Jeb was
                  against. Why support a candidate when you don't support what he stands for.
                  As for the people who don't take the time to vote or learn what a
                  candidate stands for. You don't have a right to complain. If you don't
                  like what is going on in this country keep your mouth shut and get out and
                  vote in the next election. Keep in mind that in the 1998 only 22% of the
                  eligible voters actually showed up to vote. And I wonder how many just
                  voted their party line without knowing anything about the candidates or what
                  they stand for.
                  For those that don't feel that everyone living here should be
                  compelled to speak English. Think about this for a minute. Last year in
                  Orange County Florida (according to our local newspaper) there were over
                  30,000 students enrolled in our school system that didn't speak English.
                  No, they were not all Spanish. There was over 100 different dialects. Now,
                  according to federal law we must integrate all these students into our
                  regular classrooms. Then we ask why are students aren't doing any better
                  then they are.
                  RL Fink

                  ~~~~~~

                  my loving God wouldn't send anyone to hell??? uh, have you read the old
                  testament ? my God will kick your butt and burn down your outhouse if you
                  make Him mad enough , and He does not send anyone to hell, that is a
                  decision each individual makes (or doesn't make ) if you need instructions ,
                  just look around for a church, (personally i don't recommend one who thinks
                  Christ is still hanging on the cross )

                  Mikey

                  ~~~~

                  Although he pretty much destroyed
                  the chances of using the gun as evidence ,

                  That reminds me of a true story back in '71 where I used to live in Rocky
                  Point Oregon (about half way between Klamath Falls and Medford)...

                  We had a local deputy named Art Leslie (AKA Barney Fife or Deputy Dawg), who
                  was somewhat of a dipshit -- among other things.

                  Growing up (sort of) in Sandusky, Ohio in the 60's, we had a Barney Fife
                  type cop whose name I can't for the life of me recall, but who earned the
                  sobrequet of "The Worm". He was afraid of the dark, (and everything else to
                  a lesser degree) and refused to exit the cruiser until backup arrived on a
                  call. Made us all feel safer knowing he was on the job.

                  Don

                  ~~~~~~~

                  To Jay;
                  The 1991A1 Colt I have is an exact copy of the 1911A1 semi-automatic in .45
                  ACP caliber with the Parkerized finish, which is a non-reflective matte
                  black. Mine is the standard size with the 5 in. barrel, but now it can be
                  had in 3.5 and 4.5 in. as well.
                  The Combat Commander is very similar in appearance and I assume the innards
                  are the same.
                  J. Moore

                  ~~~~~~~~

                  You're right, MT. War with Iraq is a bad idea, a very bad idea. And I
                  don't believe that's an unpopular position. Just look around the world! I
                  truly believe that our meddling in Middle Eastern affairs is the real
                  underlying cause of terrorism, not jealousy over our way of life as our
                  government would like us to believe. If I'm correct, more meddling will
                  breed more terrorism. From my research, it appears the real reason to
                  rescue Kuwait in 1991 was because (elder) George Bush's oil-rich friends
                  had a contract for an oil-drilling operation off the coast of that little
                  country. If Kuwait fell to Iraq, the investment would be lost. Satellite
                  surveillance photos failed to show that Iraq was poised to invade its other
                  neighbors as we had been led to believe. Today it is commonly reported
                  that no babies were thrown out of incubators by Iraqi soldiers, another
                  piece of heart-wrenching propaganda that was circulated to us at the time
                  of the war. The Bush family has been profiting from wars since WWI. I
                  strongly recommend an online book: George Bush: The Unauthorized
                  Biography. It's found at:
                  http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm The book is very detailed. If you read
                  it, you'll never forget it.

                  Sincerely,
                  I-M-Scared

                  ~~~~~~~

                  TO DAVE
                  AT LEAST BUSH DIDN'T HAVE TO BE TAUGHT HOW TO SALUTE AFTER BECOMING
                  PRESIDENT. CLINTON TOOK LESSONS BUT STILL DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO GIVE A GOOD
                  SALUTE. THE CLINTONS WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE MOST DISFUNCTIONAL
                  FAMILY EVER TO SERVE IN THE OVAL OFFICE. THERE IS A REASON FOR G.W. BUSH'S
                  POPULARITY BUT THEN AGAIN, AFTER CLINTON/GORE, JUST ABOUT ANY PERSON HOLDING
                  THE OFFICE WOULD LOOK GOOD.
                  BUCKEYE JACK

                  ~~~~~~~~
                  Ok let me start this by saying I am a democrat and damn proud of it. Reading
                  your prerequisites was a joke. How can we let our country be run by a leader
                  who believes that love is wrong. A man who would rather children live in
                  orphanages and foster homes than have a loving family with two parents? Even
                  if those two parents are same sex partners? I don't believe that sex should
                  be taught in the schools alone but frankly that is the only place that some
                  of these kids are ever going to get the information that could one day save
                  their lives. If the parents aren't willing or aren't there in the home to
                  educate these children then someone has to. We as parents have to make sure
                  that our children know the risks of unprotected sex and also that using
                  condoms is no guarantee. I do not oppose the NRA. Frankly I think that
                  everyone has the right to protect themselves. However, there are people who
                  just leave their weapons lying around and children are dying because of
                  that. There needs to be something to protect the children. Children in this
                  country have no rights.

                  Now about homosexuality. Let me start by saying that my best friend is a
                  homosexual male. And most of my friends are homosexuals. I do not believe
                  that anyone has the right to tell someone that who they love is wrong. Love
                  is love. What does it matter if it is between two men, two women or a man
                  and a woman. Homosexuality is only preached against once in the bible. And
                  that is by Paul in Romans 1:26. My children are being raised in a tolerant
                  loving home. They are not taught hatred. Of anyone. Not of blacks, muslims,
                  homosexuals, indians, etc. They are taught that all people are equal. And
                  all people deserve the same respect and love. Maybe if that was taught to
                  all the children in this fucked world then we wouldn't have war and
                  terrorism and people dying because of the color of their skin or who they
                  love.
                  Donna in VA

                  ~~~~

                  To Dan d'Lion
                  you need to open tools/Options and click on the security tab and unclick the
                  box that flags emails...it is just telling you these ones are possible virus
                  sources or are otherwise imprtant.
                  As far as support for Windows 98 or 95 (any editions) they are not supported
                  by Microsoft any more. This encourages peopel to move on up to
                  ME/NT/2000/XP. If you ever go XP use XP pro and not XP home.
                  http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/default.asp
                  http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/support/default.asp


                  ~~~~~~



                  Now, think about it. What if the politicans used that money to fund
                  scholarships. How many young people could go to college? Golisano alone
                  could have sent at least 650 young people to college. What better way to
                  benefit America?
                  --
                  Don of Niagara Falls

                  Dammit, Don! Just when I start to think that politecal campaigns make
                  sense, you gotta come up with something like this. I'll check with Tom
                  Daschle and get back to you.

                  Dave in Murphy

                  ~~~~~

                  So here's the truth about how I feel about this election.

                  Now that the Republicans control the Senate, the House, and the Presidency,
                  there's no excuses. There's nobody to blame for any failures. There's no
                  "Senate Block" to blame for failure to pass laws. There's nobody to blame
                  for gridlock. Nobody to blame for a faltering economy. Nobody to blame for
                  potential failures in the War on Terrorism, from preventing more atrocities
                  from occuring, capturing Osama Bin Laden, to shutting down Al Qaeda. No
                  party, constituency, or group to point fingers at when something goes wrong
                  due to legislation, or if things don't pan out as planned. Nobody to blame
                  for deficit spending and an unbalanced budget. There's no one to shift blame
                  to if anything goes awry.

                  Now there will be nobody to blame. Nobody but Republicans. So I wish the
                  Republicans luck in their endeavors. But they must know in the back of their
                  heads that this watershed is a double edged sword. They know that if they
                  don't come through on many different levels, if they don't show success in
                  the next 2 years, if they don't curb Al Qaeda, prevent terrorism,
                  dramatically improve the economy, then Democrats are waiting in the wings
                  when
                  their lack of success will cause public opinion to naturally swing back
                  their way. There is going to be a lot of pressure on the Republicans now to
                  walk the walk after talking the talk. If they don't, then America will
                  respond. Because there are no excuses, no scapegoats left!
                  Good Luck!

                  Ps Buffalo, Glad to hear you finally admit that Bush caused the pain in you
                  a$$. Heh Heh

                  ~~~~~~~

                  I just read your comments concerning our language tolerance. Yes, we are
                  very toleratnt - in fact, if you look we have no official language. We
                  spend lots of government money printing things in many languages in many
                  different places. I am afraid I am somewhat of a hardnose when it comes to
                  this. I still very vividy remember being told by a Spanish lady standing in
                  the hospital in Rota, Spain in 1966 - "This is Spain and if you wish to
                  speak with me, learn Spanish." What's wrong with requiring people in this
                  country to speak English?

                  P.S. Thanks Minnesota - I don't think I could have taken another round of
                  Mondale in the public eye.

                  Tom S. of Tennessee


                  ~~~~~~

                  Buffalo,
                  I would like to address the single parents in our herd that are having a
                  difficult time with the child support issue. As a once single parent of 2,
                  and now a mom to 4 (I remarried). I have dealt with the issue of
                  support/visitation for the last 7 years. I do all of our court stuff myself
                  and I found a great group of other parents dealing with it. They helped me
                  so much that I became the Oregon state coordinator for the group! To all the
                  parents, please don't fall for the "give us a cut and we will get your
                  support" places out there. Give me a call, or email me, and I can get you on
                  the right track to get your kids support, and help with a lot of legal stuff
                  you can do yourself (no, I'm not a lawyer!!).
                  I deal with the CSE regularly, and I obtained all of my, and my husbands,
                  custody and modifications without paying someone to do it.
                  I have to sign off, I'm going to court this morning to help a dad get
                  visitation, but please feel free to contact me if you need anything!!
                  Ally


                  S. Alicia Wing
                  Oregon Coordinator
                  P4CSE

                  877-674-8833
                  503-458-6200
                  503-738-5467
                  http://alicialon.tripod.com

                  ~~~~~~~~~

                  Here's an appropriate little joke for Avonlea, et al,
                  who believe there's only one way to heaven.
                  Won't they be surprised when they get there?



                  A Jewish man dies and goes to Heaven where he is
                  greeted by St. Peter and given a tour of the facilities.
                  As they are walking around, the man notices several
                  large groups of people standing around and inquires
                  about them.

                  St. Peter replies, "Well, over there we have the
                  Muslims, and that group there are the Buddhists,
                  and there we have the Jews, and so forth."

                  As they continued the tour, they came to a huge
                  stone wall...higher and wider than the eye could see.
                  St. Peter turns to the man and says, "You are allowed
                  to go anywhere in Heaven EXCEPT beyond this wall.
                  You must never cross over this wall at any time!"

                  The man asks "Why?"

                  St. Peter explains, "Well beyond this wall is where
                  we keep the Christians, and they think they are the
                  only ones up here."



                  Clay

                  ~~~~~~~

                  Hey Buff. I know one of those guys that like to tell stories too. I met
                  this guy in a chat room. He sent out a picture of himself to some of us. He
                  was a good looking guy and was very popular in the room. This guy worked
                  for a computer type firm and it was his job to fly all over the United
                  States fixing computer problems for customers. He also was used to chase
                  down computer hackers. (One that he caught was only 9 years old.) He could
                  sing, write music (and had for Garth Brooks), lived in a big colonial style
                  home, cooked fancy dinners, you name it. The love of his life had died in a
                  car accident just before the wedding date, and two other girls had backed
                  out at the alter. He had a son in England by a previous relationship. Once
                  during the summer months, his "son" came for a visit. He wrote an email to
                  us saying that he wouldn't be online for a week because he was taking his
                  son to Disneyworld in Florida. When he got back, his son was with him at
                  the house. The guy put the lad on the computer to say "hello" to all of his
                  computer buddies. They the guy proceeded to tell us all about this
                  Gilligan's Island tour they went on. Very detailed reporting. I finally
                  met the guy (who was "dating" a lady friend of mine online) when he visited
                  her in the town that we both live in. Unlike the handsome studly picture
                  that he had previously sent, this guy was a tall, gangly, and bald dude with
                  thick framed glasses. He also had no front teeth to speak of. After all
                  was said and done, it turns out that the picture he sent out of himself was
                  one of his younger cousin, he never had a son, never went to Florida during
                  that week, lived in a trailer park run by his mother, didn't work for a
                  computer firm flying around the country running down 9-year-old hackers,
                  couldn't sing or write music, let alone for Garth Brooks.....and was just
                  one fine storyteller. Well, that's my story. It's a good thing I was
                  wearing my hip boots or I would have drowned in the BS.
                  Steve

                  ~~~~~~

                  Of course, the great majority of Muslims are peaceful -- so what?


                  Whenever the question of Islam and violence, specifically terror, is raised,
                  we are repeatedly told that "the vast majority of Muslims in the world are
                  peaceful people" who never engage in terror. This is entirely accurate.
                  And entirely irrelevant.
                  The vast majority of Germans living in the Nazi era were also peaceful; very
                  few ever so much as laid a hand on a Jew. So, too, the vast majority of
                  Russians never killed anyone while 20-40 million of their fellow citizens
                  were murdered by their Communist regime under Stalin. The point here is that
                  the threat to civilization emanating from within Islam is no more obviated
                  by the fact that the great majority of Muslims are not violent than the
                  threat that emanated from Nazism was obviated by the peaceful behavior of
                  the great majority of Germans or the threat from Soviet Communism was
                  nullified by the nonviolence among the great majority of Russians.
                  Germany was a threat to civilization because Nazis and their ideology took
                  over German society while the majority of Germans (the "good Germans")
                  either supported Nazi ideals or did nothing. Russia was a threat to
                  civilization because Communists took over the country, and the great
                  majority of Russians either supported Papa Stalin or did nothing. Some
                  Islamic societies are today becoming a threat to civilization because
                  Islamic totalitarians and terrorists are taking over those societies while a
                  majority of Muslims either support their ideals or do nothing.
                  That is why it is meaningless at best and dishonest at worst to deny the
                  threat to civilization coming from various Muslim countries by noting that
                  most Muslims are not violent. Only a handful of Saudis terrorized America on
                  9-11-01, but a large majority of Saudis support Osama bin Laden. Few
                  Palestinians strap bombs onto their children's bodies, but the majority of
                  them support such evil and none others publicly morally condemn it.
                  At this moment, the dominant strain of Islamic thought is totalitarian,
                  meaning that wherever possible, a government should be Islamic and govern
                  according to a strict interpretation of the Sharia (Muslim religious law).
                  Furthermore, when necessary and when possible, the Islamists believe these
                  religious laws should be imposed violently -- as in Sudan, Nigeria,
                  Afghanistan and elsewhere. In addition, the dominant ideological trend in
                  much of Islamic society is hate-filled. What is said daily about Jews in
                  Middle Eastern mosques rivals what the Nazis said about Jews. And not only
                  in mosques. During Ramadan, Egyptian television is running a 41-part series
                  based on the anti-Semitic forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
                  For all these reasons, one's moral assessment of what is taking place in the
                  Muslim world must be made independent of the fact that the great majority of
                  Muslims are peaceful people. Their peaceful lifestyle is not influencing the
                  bellicose trends in their religion.
                  Thus, what is most frightening is not that there are Muslim terrorists, but
                  by how little criticism of Islamic terror emanates from normative Islamic
                  groups. While some Muslim groups have condemned individual acts of Islamic
                  terror such as 9-11, not one significant Muslim group in the world,
                  including here in free America, has condemned Islamic terror generally. And
                  the leaders of Al-Azhar University, the most prestigious institution of
                  Islamic learning, have actually morally and religiously come out in support
                  of Islamic suicide terror against Israelis.
                  So the fact that the majority of those living in the Islamic countries are
                  good people is of no consequence. Unless they do something to condemn and to
                  isolate the Muslim totalitarians and terrorists in their midst, history will
                  judge them as it has all the good Germans during the Holocaust.

                  Dennis Prager

                  http://www.jewishworldreview.com |

                  Via Suzito

                  ~~~~~~~~

                  To jb
                  Ref "Americanisms" - thanks for you concern over my confusion which I had
                  probably over stated ; It is more to do with [all the P's] ... Politics;
                  Places; and Products. Generally speaking, I can substitute a product with a
                  similar one that we have, and shops like your Wal-Mart I can equate with
                  our K-Mart etc, as far as places are concerned, my knowledge of US geography
                  is a little sketchy, but I am learning all the time. As far as politics are
                  concerned, I dont EVER get into discussions about it, but I read the
                  scuttlebutt with interest :-) and enjoy the chips. ( I like them
                  separate too.) Best wishes to all Veterans for next week.
                  Carol

                  and ...

                  Remember Bali, October 12, 2002

                  ~~~~~~

                  Talk about corrupt politicians:

                  In 1987, I announced that I was going to retire from the Army (after 28+
                  years). Not sure how, but, have an idea, I was approched by the Republican
                  Committee in my home county; Scott County, Indiana. They promised me that if
                  I ran for county sheriff, I'd be sure to win. (As long as I can remember the
                  sheriff has always been a Democrat and all other positions in the county
                  Republican.)

                  So I informed my Mom of the offer. Mom, a life long resident of the county,
                  had been involved with local politics since Christ was a Corporal. She
                  replied, "You cannot run for sheriff. You are not crocked enough."

                  End of discussion.
                  --
                  Don of Niagara Falls

                  ~~~~~~

                  Dear MT

                  No proof??? What about the chemical attacks on the Kurds? What about the
                  chemical attacks on the Iranians? What about the chemical munnions found by
                  the UN Weapons Inspectors, before they were kicked out of the country. Do
                  you want "personal" verification?
                  --
                  Don of Niagara Falls


                  ~~~~~~

                  BJ

                  I was stationed at Ft Carson, CO, and my ex called and asked if I still
                  wanted my 8 yr old son for XMas. I said sure and she gave me the dates he
                  would "be available" and I made all the travel arrangements.

                  Brief explanation, I was assigned to Saudi Arabia and came home on mid-tour
                  leave. She asked me for a legal separation because our son had sever
                  learning disabilities and she wanted to move back home and put him into a
                  proper program and to have a stable home (and she did not want me anymore).
                  I agreed because I was assigned to locations where I could not take a family
                  member and was not sure of where my next assignment was going to be. I
                  returned to Saudi to serve the remainder of my tour. One month later I
                  received notice that my divorce was final, followed by a letter from her
                  stating that she had remarried a man in the Army and they were being shipped
                  to Germany. WTFO

                  When my son arrived I was shocked. I will not go into all the details, but,
                  here was an 8 yr old boy who could not read, nor write and who was
                  physically and mentally sick. I got him into the medical and educational
                  systems and filed suit for custody. After testimony by doctors, teachers,
                  and phsycology specialist, I was awarded custody.

                  She reluctantly complied (I had to treaten to open the court records), but,
                  asked I would continue paying her the child support for 6 months (to pay off
                  their new car). You can guess my response.

                  Bottom line, I had a series of understanding supervisors who understood that
                  I needed time occasionally. And, good doctors, good teachers, excellent
                  Special Ed instructors, who gave my son a chance. He went on to graduate
                  from high school, score the highest AFQT score in European history, and
                  serve in the Marines for 8 years (earning a PH and Navy Com Medal w/"V"
                  device).

                  I did good and he did good. I think (and not to pat myself on the back) all
                  single parents need a pat on the back.
                  --
                  Don of Niagara Falls

                  ~~~~~~~~

                  Jack, Runnerup Southeast Asian War Games wrote:
                  Your email talk's about "In God We Trust" being on our money and our
                  national motto, but you have to recognize that it was only put there in
                  1954, and it was placed there expressly as a religious statement by
                  fundamentalists in government. ...
                  ---------------
                  Wrong answer.

                  A two-cent piece authorized under the Act of April 24, 1864 holds the
                  distinction
                  of being the first regular issue coin to bear the motto "In God we trust."

                  It's the pledge of allegiance that you were thinking of that the Knight's of
                  Columbus
                  petitioned to have "Under God" inserted into in 1954.

                  The full write-up from the Franklin Mint's 'Coins of the United States in
                  Miniature":

                  ------------
                  Two Cents
                  TYPE: Shield DATES: 1864-1873
                  DESIGNER: James B. Longacre
                  METALS: .950 copper, .050 tin and zinc
                  SIZE: 23mm WEIGHT 6.22 grams
                  EDGE: Plain
                  The two-cent piece was authorized under the Act of April 24, 1864. During
                  wartime or
                  periods of inflation it is frequently believed that new coinage
                  denominations will
                  solve the commercial problems of the time. Initially, a large supply of
                  coins was
                  minted, but after the Civil War ended coins poured back into circulation and
                  fewer
                  two-cent pieces were minted each year.
                  This coin is notable because it is the first regular issue to bear the motto
                  "In God we trust." On November 13, 1861 Reverend Mark R. Watkinson of
                  Ridleyville,
                  Pennsylvania wrote a letter to Salmon R Chase, secretary of the treasury, in
                  which
                  he deplored the lack of "recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our
                  coins."
                  Apparently influenced by the Civil War, Secretary Chase quickly instructed
                  James Pollack,
                  director of the mint, to prepare a motto "without unnecessary delay." That
                  this was done
                  may be seen from the pattern coins dated 1861, 1862 and 1863 bearing such
                  inscriptions
                  as "God our trust," "God and our country" and finally "In God we trust."
                  Under the Act
                  of March 3,1865 the motto was approved for all coins, and beginning in 1866
                  it was added
                  to several other denominations.
                  Copyright 1982 FM
                  -----------------



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                • B.Brabant
                  Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories
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                    Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
                    ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
                    sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
                    useful info was spread )

                    Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
                    due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
                    profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
                    Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind

                    For all of you who are concerned with your stupid ideas.
                    Guns do not kill, the idiots behind them are the ones that kill, our laws
                    need to be changed so the law abiding public can protect themselves as the
                    criminals are going to get them anyway(you really think a criminal is going
                    to register a weapon-Daa!!)
                    And to you who have never served in the Military I am in the Military and
                    have no problem with the IRAQ problem if I have to give my life for my
                    United States Of America I will do so!! I come from a family that fought
                    Hitler,Japan,North Korea,Vietnam, They made the ultimate saccrifice so you
                    selfrighghtous.egotistical.disrespectful,people can have nothing better to
                    do than sit around and bitch about The Greatest Nation In the World.

                    God Bless America
                    Sgt. John Wood


                    ~~~~~~


                    Hi Buffalo,
                    Still enjoying the list!
                    Here is something that will spark conversation!
                    My first job was working in an orange juice factory, but I got
                    canned...couldn't concentrate.
                    Then I worked in the woods as a lumberjack, but I just couldn't hack it, so
                    they gave me the ax.
                    After that I tried to be a tailor, but I just wasn't suited for it - mainly
                    because it was a sew-sew job.
                    Next I tried working in a muffler factory, but that was too exhausting.
                    Then I tried to be a chef. I figured it would add a little spice to my life
                    but I just didn't have the thyme.
                    I attempted to be a deli worker, but any way I sliced it, I couldn't cut the
                    mustard.
                    My best job was being a musician, but eventually I found I wasn't noteworthy
                    enough.
                    I studied a long time to become a doctor, but I didn't have any patience.
                    Next was a job in a shoe factory. I tried, but I just didn't fit in.
                    I became a professional fisherman, but discovered that I couldn't live on my
                    net income.
                    I managed to get a good job working for a pool maintenance company, but the
                    work was just too draining.
                    So then I got a job in a workout center, but they said I wasn't fit for the
                    job.
                    I finally got a job as a historian, until I realized there was no future in
                    it.
                    My last job was working at Starbucks, but I had to quit because it was
                    always the same old grind.
                    SO I RETIRED...
                    Thanks
                    Sydney-girl


                    buffalo says I worked for a watch factory and found out I couldn't unwind
                    after work.


                    ~~~~~

                    With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
                    For the story behind the story...

                    Thursday, Nov. 7, 2002 9:56 a.m. EST

                    Clinton Campaigned in Florida With Roving Eye

                    Ex-President Bill Clinton wasn't able to fulfill his goal on Tuesday of
                    "humiliating the Bushes" by ousting first brother Jeb from the Florida
                    governor's mansion, but maybe that's because he allowed himself to get
                    distracted by other pursuits.

                    "Clinton was campaigning in Florida last week for failed gubernatorial
                    hopeful Bill McBride when the duo - accompanied by two others - stopped at
                    [the] Bice eatery in Palm Beach and caused a patron to lose his temper,"
                    reports Chicago Sun-Times gossip maven Michael Sneed.

                    Upon entering the restaurant McBride is said to have waved to the gent, who
                    just happened to be dining with his attractive girlfriend. But minutes later
                    the Florida Democrat was dispatched like an old Arkansas state trooper to
                    chat the lady up, apparently on behalf of the Philanderer-in-Chief.

                    Her boyfriend reportedly came unglued when, according to Sneed, McBride
                    "invited his pretty, 24-year-old date to join them at their table for a
                    drink because 'there was someone who wanted to meet her.'"
                    --
                    Don of Niagara Falls


                    ~~~~~~~

                    I am an American and I am also in the Military, I do not understand why
                    many states require their students learn the spanish language,is not english
                    the lanuage of our great nation. If you want to live in this Great Nation
                    you should learn the language or go back to where you come from.

                    Sgt. John D.
                    Wood-Texas

                    ~~~~~~~

                    Mary E

                    You are so right about the Pride, and I've been accused of my share of it!
                    I always own up to my faults! About the $100 a month the "Ex" was giving
                    me..that was before the Court Date. I was so full of "Pride", I wasn't
                    going to ask for ANY Child Support. The County was the one who sued for
                    Support, and to this day, I am so glad they did. It does amount to much
                    more now, as it is legally based on his salary. But..I do have to say, I
                    have no respect for him, or anyone, man or woman, who can not take care of
                    their children finacially or emotionally after the break-up. As much as I
                    have needed that financial crutch, it has been much more important to me to
                    make sure that my kids know that I Love them and will support them no matter
                    what. They need THAT more than anything, and I think from viewing the
                    scuttlebutt, we OUGHT to be dang proud of ourselves. This goes for some
                    wonderful men I know who have raised their kids on their own after the Big
                    D! It's gotta be all about the kids! One more thing, I have never, and
                    will never let on to my kids what I think of their Father. They have a
                    right to love him, he's Daddy. They can make their own judgements when they
                    are old enough to understand.

                    Deb in Wisconsin

                    ~~~~~~~

                    barbjare nj

                    You want chili recipes? You can't handle chili recipes!!

                    Seriously, want do you wnat? Beef, pork, venison, dog, gerbil?

                    We Texas cooks want 'ya'll' to be satisfried, ya know

                    We gots yo recipe

                    BanderaJim

                    ~~~~~~

                    From: Janna

                    To Robert
                    "No, i completely agree it is a common courtesy to learn the language, it
                    makes it easier on everyone. but ive seen people yelled at because they dont
                    understand english, and i think thats wrong. i just disagree with the people
                    who go around protesting that anyone who lives in america should learn
                    english"

                    To: Janna

                    If you intend to LIVE here and VOTE here & attempt to have a voice in how
                    things are DONE here, you had better damned sure be at least attempting to
                    learn the language of your adopted country........

                    Go to Mexico & count how many STOP signs say nothing but ALTO.....Try to
                    find a voting ballot printed in English (Hell, try to find ANYTHING official
                    printed in English). This country needs to wake up at least enough to take
                    care of THIS country, first. Then, if ever, we may assist the rest of them.


                    BanderaJim

                    ~~~~~~

                    Don...Niagara Falls......
                    I AM STILL rolling on the floor with that war story.
                    Hurry up and send us another.....PLEASE

                    Linda

                    ~~~~~

                    In response to Don's statements about how campaign money could better be
                    used: I had been thinking about this a lot and scholarships would be great.
                    Or, the money should just be put into the state, city, etc., whose office
                    they are running for. It makes much more sense than paying for radio and
                    television ads that attacks the other candidate and hardly touches on the
                    issues.

                    I am a Florida resident (Redneck Riviera) and have always supported the
                    Republicans. Unfortunately, I do not turn 18 until next month so I was not
                    eligible to vote in this election. I will definitely be voting in the next
                    one, though. I was overall happy about the results of the election. At
                    least, about the elected officials. Bush / Brogan (Lt. Gov. is a great
                    speaker), Jeff Miller staying in Washington as our representative, Greg
                    Evers staying in Tallahassee, Charlie Crist, etc. I am especially happy that
                    two county tax increases were voted down: a 1 cent sales tax increase to
                    build a new courthouse which we did not need, and a 6 cent gas tax.
                    Statewide, there were 10 amendments on the ballot. All but one of them
                    passed. Three of them were really important to me. Two of them turned out
                    the way I wanted but I was disappointed that the other one didn't. The ones
                    I liked: It is considered inhumane to keep pregnant pies tethered or in
                    cages which are too small for them to turn around in freely and there will
                    be no smoking inside public buildings. The one that should not have passed
                    was for class size reductions: no more that 18 pupils in kindergarten
                    through third grades, no more than 22 from there through 8th grade, and no
                    more than 25 in high school. Great idea, right? But where is the money going
                    to come from and how is everything going to work out? I am a senior in high
                    school and I volunteer in a kindergarten class in the mornings so I can
                    speak about both extremes. In the class that I volunteer in, there are 26
                    students. Way too much for one teacher to handle since she does not always
                    have a volunteer in there and, because there are so many, she is unable to
                    give each one the attention they deserve. What she really needs is a
                    teacher's aide. As do the other kindergarten teachers. In high school, my
                    classes average about 30 or more. A couple of times I have been in smaller
                    classes (twelve people in Algebra II Honors a couple of years ago and not
                    too many more in trigonometry last year) and they have been great because
                    there is more interaction with the teacher. It would be great if our classes
                    were smaller but, with the guidelines set in the amendment, it does not seem
                    plausible. For one thing, we would not have enough teachers to cover these
                    extra classes. I don't know how many more would have to be hired. For
                    another, and what has me stumped, there are not enough classrooms to
                    accommodate these extra classes. The schools would have to be added on to.
                    What is this going to cost us? And where are we getting this money?



                    Anna Calhoun

                    ~~~~~~~~

                    WTG Chuck in New Port Richey

                    Linda from Holiday, Fl

                    ~~~~~

                    Hi Buff,

                    Never written before... love all the comments and stories... (especially
                    yours),

                    Don Of Niagara Falls.. I could spend months inside your head... you crack me
                    up and also write such insightful things.

                    And the list of people, whose stuff I enjoy, could go on and on... Granny,
                    Bandera Jim, Dave in Murphy, Art etc... but...

                    On the subject of religion, *groan*

                    I am a believer, but this is something that has always made me wonder...

                    God created the universe...

                    Where does it end? And what is outside it? Is there something else?

                    And if God created the universe... who created her? ...

                    Which came first... the chicken or the egg? And how did either get
                    there?...ad infinitum...

                    Not a new thought I know... but one that has puzzled me all my life.

                    FruitLoop (lol... chose that name 'cause most of you will think I am)
                    Brisbane, Australia


                    ~~~~~~~~

                    A Lady BJ
                    Around here we are very familiar with the modern America lack of courtesy
                    toward all (man or women). Most of my customers at the store are "older"
                    people. When the impolite come in, watch out! Most of the residents in
                    the area appear to be Yuppies (aka Young Upwardly Pushy People). I think
                    appearing to outnumber the rest of society is very important to them. I
                    applaud them the cash flow that enables them to wear Eddie Bauer and both
                    the Kleins with a cell phone glued to their ear, but slamming doors on or
                    pushing aside the rest of the population is an affront. What ever
                    happened to good manners and respect? Some life it is to believe in the
                    good in people and have them trample you every day that you make the
                    decision to leave the peace of your own home.
                    Could they at least slow down a few times a day so the rest of us can
                    admire their nice cars and nice clothes? Don't they buy these nice things
                    so they can be admired?
                    I might buy a few myself if I could only freeze the blur to see!
                    Gives me a scare that these folks are knocking at 50's door and their
                    kids are twice as bad!
                    Brika

                    MaryE
                    I agree about the argument point. Most of what I read here is discussion.
                    (I skip the lines where it seems like just arguing.) Religion? I agree
                    with you there, except when people from other countries write in to let
                    us know what life is really like where they live. Politics? Well, I have
                    grown to like political discussion. But, three years dating a Democrat
                    when you are a right-wing Republican will do that! He does open the car
                    door for me and every other door and has changed his vote on several
                    occasions when I have backed up my opinion with research. Several people
                    who write in here have educated me about our political system.
                    Brika

                    Buffalo,
                    Water Spiders? Are they something like the Wood Spiders we have up here
                    in Maine?
                    You haven't felt trepidation until you have needed a trip to the outhouse
                    in the middle of the night!!!
                    Thanks for the forum!
                    Brika


                    ~~~~~~~

                    >They know that if they

                    >don't come through on many different levels, if they don't show success in

                    >the next 2 years, if they don't curb Al Qaeda, prevent terrorism,

                    >dramatically improve the economy, then Democrats are waiting in the wings

                    The Ds and the Rs (as Tallahassee lobbyists call them) aren't the only acts
                    waiting in the wings. A huge plurality of people are Libertarians and don't
                    know it. They believe in small government like the Republicans and in
                    extensive personal freedom like the Democrats. Check out the World's
                    Smallest Political Quiz at www.self-gov.org/wspq.html . And as for MaryE:
                    I really hate it when: people say they don't want me to discuss politics!
                    Buffalo's list always contains a variety of views which I find fascinating.
                    As a man named Jack Hebert once said, "If you don't 'do' politics, politics
                    is going to 'do' you"

                    Peri L. Dwyer, D.C.


                    ~~~~~~

                    I am giving my two cents about knowing english if you live here. I believe
                    that if people come to the U.S. they should speak english and I believe if
                    anyone goes to another country they should learn the language that is spoken
                    in that country. Just a couple days ago in Council Bluffs( Iowa) a Mexican
                    was drunk and caused a car accident sending 2 people to the hospital. He was
                    not charged because he could not understand the rights being read to him or
                    unable to consent to a breathalyzer test and no interpreter could be found.
                    He spoke no english and he commited a crime because he doesn't want to learn
                    english. So tell me where it is right for that to be allowed. If you are
                    retarded or have a mental disorder you can be arrested even if you don't
                    understand what you did because you can understand the language.
                    Ruth

                    buffalo says In Michigan they would just get a search warrant and
                    if necessary restrain and draw a blood sample for testing. Implied
                    consent means just that .

                    ~~~~~~~~~

                    In rebuttal to I-M-Scared, I'd like to say I'm
                    fearful of a war with Iraq also ( I have a son going
                    to the Army very soon ). But, I'm much more scared of
                    what will happen if we wait to long.
                    I'm quite sure he already has a considerable arsenal
                    of WOMD and I would judge him to be slightly less sane
                    than Adolph Hitler towards the end of WW 2.
                    To this asshole there is nothing in creation more
                    important than Saddam Hussein himself and when the
                    chips fall he will order everything be used in an
                    attempt to save himself.
                    Should we wait in the hope that he will die or be
                    killed off by his own people then his sons will take
                    over. And realize that Saddam had to learn to be a
                    mad-dog killer on his own mostly, whereas his progeny
                    have been taught since childhood that you take care of
                    #1 first, foremost and always.
                    I am the proud father of two going on three veterans
                    and I have as much to loose as anyone but despots such
                    as him must go if there is ever to be any semblance of
                    peace in this world.

                    I-M-Scared 2


                    ~~~~~~~~~

                    To Donna in VA who said, "There needs to be something to protect the
                    children. Children in this country have no rights."

                    Come to California.... Kids rule at homes here because they have learned
                    that they can tell their parents "You can't make me because if you do, it's
                    child abuse and I'll tell the school nurse". Many parents are caving to
                    this and letting the little brats get away with whatever they want because
                    the alternative is, at the very least, public humiliation of going
                    "downtown" to be questioned while Child Protective Services takes your
                    kid(s) away until they feel it is safe to return them to you. And then they
                    pop in at random for a while, just to be sure. And this is if they find NO
                    PROOF OF ABUSE! For those who believe in spanking (and I don't mean
                    hitting, but swatting), neighbors can call CPS and complain.

                    I witnessed the most incredible thing at Michaels one day. Little Darling
                    (about 5 years old) is running rampant in the store, opening packages,
                    coloring on floors. Parent is nowhere in sight. Finally an employee comes
                    along and removes the magic markers (permanent) from the Little Darling's
                    hands. Child begins to scream. Mother appears. Mother yells at the
                    employee. How dare they discipline her child????? No apology, no scolding
                    the child. She just grabs the child's hand and leaves the store yelling and
                    cussing all the way. Sadly, I'm afraid this is not a rare occurance.....

                    ~~~~~~~

                    i hate it when...good topic starter! i hate it when older people drive. i am
                    not be discriminatory against the elderly, but many of them cannot drive.
                    it's not their fault, perhaps their vision has deteriorated or their
                    reflexes are not as sharp. but i believe that when a person turns 65 they
                    should take a driving test every year to make sure they are fit to be on the
                    road.
                    -janna

                    ~~~~~

                    Well it seems everyone likes the term Geezer. So here are some more terms.

                    Geezerhood (when one obtains the age of being a geezer). Wow he is finally
                    reached the age of being a geezer.

                    Geezer (male or female) Yes I am a geezer, this is my wife who is also a
                    geezer. Oh our children are also geezers.

                    Geezering (the act of being a geezer) He was geezering when he opened the
                    door for the lady.

                    Geezed (the act of doing too much geezering) He opened doors all day for
                    people then he had to stop. He was geezed.

                    Geezerling (Someone who is in training to be a geezer) No No son, you open
                    the door before they come to the door, not after
                    they already entered the store.

                    Mega-Gezzer (the act of going too far in being a geezer) Hey, guy will you
                    please close the bathroom door. You dont need to
                    open it for everyone.

                    Geezerman, Geezerwoman (gender specific) '


                    B.J. Cassady

                    ~~~~~~

                    hello buff,thanks for putting everyones opinions on the SB.hope you print
                    mine.this is wednesday after the best election yet.now its time we will be
                    hearing from the bleeding heart,poor me cry babys,the democrats.we might get
                    some business done in DC now.got the best President and both houses.I would
                    like to ask Jack cook,what turnip truck he fell off of ?I have never heard
                    such BS in my life.I would like to state what I think of Clinton:I served
                    four yrs. in the marines,as a human being I would'nt of had the gall being a
                    draft dodger to face the military as the President.but ole slick willie
                    did.The biggest liar in the country.Its funny how folks don't realize Bush
                    inherited eight years of liberal spending and screw-ups.but we got someone
                    that will do what it takes now.carry on.....John



                    Too my knowledge, I didn't fall off of a turnip truck. If it makes you happy
                    I'll ask Mom just so we both will know for sure.
                    You know John, I bet you just laughed your a$$ off when you read the piece
                    that Dianne sent about Clinton. Yep you thought it was pretty funny. So now
                    you know how it feels.. I can back up a lot of the things that I said about
                    Bush.. It's all right here on the net. But you don't want to hear the truth.
                    More of the Cleopatra syndrome... Or is it that Heard mentality...Heh Heh
                    Heh... One hoof clomp for yes, two for no...Heh Heh Heh
                    Jack Cook

                    ~~~~~~~

                    The Local
                    Democratic
                    Machine in Florida was caught offering money to "Seasoned Citizens" in the
                    nursing homes for their votes during the last election. What was you payoff
                    rate for your vote?

                    Inkster

                    Hey Inkster;
                    Very sorry we forgot to take the Native Floridian suck up factor in
                    consideration for this past election. As for the Seasoned Citizens... Looks
                    like the Conservative Reprick-lycane's bought your vote for a measly $300.00
                    of your own money.... As for me, they paid me the same thing....

                    Jack Cook

                    ~~~~~~~~

                    To Avonlea,

                    I feel very sorry for you. How sad that you are so brainwashed to believe
                    that your way is the only way. I hope for your sake that Jesus forgives you
                    for being such a hypocrite. You still have time to become a REAL christian,
                    but you had better hurry, time is running out.

                    charlillo

                    ~~~~~~~

                    DON of Niagara Falls,
                    The story about your son was very touching to say the least.
                    Fathers Day was created for dads like you.

                    Linda

                    ~~~~~

                    Hi Buffalo,
                    A few days ago someone wrote asking what IKEA was and what BTW meant. Not
                    noticing anyone else answering, I thought I'd let them know that IKEA is a
                    furniture and home furnishings outfit that originated in Sweden, and BTW is
                    "by the way'.
                    J. Moore

                    ~~~~~~~

                    For the young lady who is allergic to bee stings, I'm sorry the academies
                    refused your application. But......other than submarines, no ships
                    regularly spend "months" at sea without putting in to port. Even the crews
                    of "Boomers" (SSBN) spend more time ashore than they do at sea. Please try
                    to understand that EVERY officer on a Naval vessel is an important part of
                    the team, and must be counted on to be at his/her station when they sound
                    "Single up all lines." Were you to be in anaphylactic shock when your ship
                    was preparing to sail, they would have to sail without you, leaving an empty
                    place in the team.

                    I'm sure you would have made a good, maybe great, Naval officer, but the USN
                    cannot take the chance that you will be incapacitated by an insect. Please
                    do not hate us. Please turn your efforts to some other satisfying career
                    and good luck to you.

                    Dave in Murphy

                    ~~~~~~

                    <<<<Aug 13 2002 Chips: {Bill, I wrote this piece. Stan Kegel} |||
                    Don't know if I'd admit that if I were you, Stan! "New lice on leaf"
                    is right up there on my list of worst puns ever! Peri Dwyer |||
                    Buffalo says hehheh Be nice Peri , I thought it was a good pun all
                    though a tad complex, I mean not everyone can write Rudolph the Red
                    knows rain dear type of puns . hehheh>>>>

                    Hey Shipmate, I want to thank Peri for giving me the opportunity to
                    share a little about Stan Kegel. Dr. Stan was The International Save
                    the Pun's Punster of the Year for the year 2000. He has been judging
                    the The O. Henry Pun-Off for the past couple of years. The 25th annual
                    Pun-Off was held in Austin, Texas on May 3rd, 2002. When he is not
                    punning, Dr. Stan Kegel has been practicing Pediatrics and Pediatric
                    Cardiology in Orange County, California for over 40 years. In addition
                    to his medical practice, he has been very active in the community having
                    received the Humanitarian of the Year Award from the National Council of
                    Christians and Jews, and Man of the Year of the National Foundation-March
                    of Dimes. Dr. Stan moderates multiple lists, and contributes to many more.
                    The fact that Peri thinks it is the worst pun ever is testiment that the
                    "GROANER" is alive and well. You can find a lot more about Dr. Stan by
                    searching the net.

                    I'll leave you with this pun, as an honor to our Buffalo Bill, the sailor:

                    Q: What do you call an eighty year old impotent sailor?
                    A: A salt with a dead weapon.

                    I can't stop laughing...I even laugh before the punch line. I must be
                    suffering from "premature joke elation." Best regards, Uncle George


                    ~~~~~~


                    Inspired by the following, I have added a response from across the way...

                    But if you want to be a GOOD Democrat, there are some prerequisites you
                    must have first. Compare the below and see how you rate.
                    However, it is almost as easy to be a good Republican; just choose (b) for
                    each of the statements below.

                    1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
                    funding.
                    1b. You have to believe that AIDS is God's way of punishing those homos.

                    2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how
                    to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
                    2b. You have to believe that the right way to learn about sex is the way
                    you did; from the downstairs maid or your best friend's older cousin.

                    3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding Americans, are
                    more of a threat than U.S.nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese
                    communists.
                    3b. You have to believe that only rich white American men should know about
                    weapons of mass destruction and that the world is a safer place with us
                    running it.


                    4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
                    4b. You have to believe there has been no good art since Federal funding -
                    or since there's been a Federal government.

                    5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
                    cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by
                    yuppies driving SUVs.
                    5b. Ok, so it's true...

                    6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual
                    is natural.
                    6b. You have to believe that 10% of the population would make a "lifestyle"
                    choice that is still legally discriminated against in hiring & housing, that
                    is a mitigating factor in more teen suicides than any other reason, that can
                    cause your own family to turn you away, and that makes you a target for
                    beatings and murder, all because of your "choice".

                    7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.
                    7b. You have to believe that banning abortions stops them from happening;
                    further, if abortion were illegal, all the 'wrong' people would stop having
                    sex.

                    8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
                    create prosperity.
                    8b. Greed is good.

                    9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
                    activists from Seattle do.
                    9b. You have to believe it is more loony to protect something than try to
                    kill it.

                    10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
                    doing something to earn it.
                    10b. You have to believe that being born on third base counts as a triple.

                    11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians start wars.
                    11b. You have to believe that the military always does what it's told.

                    12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of
                    the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain parts
                    of the Constitution.
                    12b. You have to believe that freedom of speech is less important than the
                    right to keep and bear arms.

                    13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
                    13b. You have to believe that bank CEO's should earn 650 times what a
                    teller does.

                    14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
                    important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee
                    or Thomas Edison.
                    14b. You have to believe that history starts and stops with rich white men.

                    15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
                    quotas and set-asides aren't.
                    15b. You have to believe that racism in America ended in 1866.

                    16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.
                    16b. You have to believe that Newt Gingrich is a gentleman.

                    17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
                    anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in
                    charge.
                    17b. You have to believe in free markets, as long as there are a few little
                    "assists' for the (fill in the name of the industry you draw wealth from
                    here) companies.

                    18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but
                    a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.
                    18b. You have to believe a blow job in the White House is more damaging to
                    the Presidency than trading arms for hostages.

                    19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
                    transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger
                    scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
                    19b. You have to believe in freedom of religion, so long as it's YOUR
                    religion.

                    20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the Chinese
                    is somehow in the best interest of the United States.
                    20b. You have to believe in one dollar, one vote, not one man, one vote.

                    the chimney babe

                    ~~~~~~~~

                    For Osmanjokat -

                    I didn't get to read your original comment, and no matter how hard I
                    look, I can't find it. My inclusion of your name was because J. Sharpton
                    included you in his praise of stay-at-home Moms. I still applaud that
                    decision, when made by people who have a choice. I realize there are
                    people whose circumstances don't allow that choice, but that's a
                    different situation altogether.

                    If I offended, I apologize !

                    Ganny

                    ~~~~~~

                    Answer for avonlea :

                    I have to applaud you for your obvious passion for Christianity and your
                    love for God - and I don't want to get into any more debate about this
                    religion or that. Better and brighter folks than you and I have done
                    that since time immemorial, and it will never stop !

                    I would only plead with you to realize that, while God may have inspired
                    the writers of the Bible, it may well be that He inspired the writings of
                    other religions as well. It may be that Christian teachings speak to one
                    culture, while Islamic or Hindu teachings speak to other cultures. This
                    may be why there are so many PARALLELS between the teachings ! If
                    non-Christians are lost, then why do they revere God, and try to follow
                    His teachings as outlined in their texts ?? Why bother ?? Where do you
                    think they got the impetus in the first place, if not from God ? I
                    believe that the DIFFERENCES between the religions have arisen over the
                    centuries because of the fallibility of the people who have interpreted
                    and translated the texts into the various languages and existing customs.

                    Think of it this way : If the Almighty One wants his message to reach
                    all people, isn't it possible that He might have tailored the message to
                    the diverse levels understanding of the different peoples whom He created
                    ? If our pastor, who is the leader of one of the more successful
                    congregations in our area, could entertain such ideas, then it's enough
                    for me to at least think about it.

                    One thing that disturbed me a little about your note in Wednesday's
                    Scuttlebutt is, before you finished, it began to sound as if you believe
                    that people who are not Christian, or who believe as you think Christians
                    must, do not believe in God ! This, of course, is just not true.

                    I would beg of you to, again, try to keep an open mind. You don't have
                    to change your beliefs in order to do so. And I would beg of you to lose
                    the idea that if people do not worship God as you insist they must, they
                    are automatically disciples of Satan.

                    Ganny

                    ~~~~~~~

                    This is for those in the herd who are having troubles with PCs: this site is
                    one of the most helpful I've found. Everything from the most basic
                    principles of Windows up to system tweaks for improving your system's
                    performance, explained in plain language. There are tips further down the
                    page for email and browser programs, too:
                    http://www.toejumper.net/

                    Pete

                    ~~~~~~~

                    I¹m going to tell you of some events in my life and ask you if you have ever
                    had any ³special connections² in your life.

                    Background: I was born on 13 May 1942, the 17th birthday of my Mother. She
                    and I have always been very close.

                    April 1970, I¹m assigned in Viet Nam (remember the bed pan story) and I have
                    been wounded. There was a policy that allowed you, when wounded, to make
                    your own family notification (if capable) instead of having the Army make
                    the notification. My wounds were not that serious so I decided to make my
                    own notification. So I wrote Mom and Dad to tell them what had happened.
                    When I got out of the hospital, I was sent home for convalescence leave.
                    When I got home, Mom marched me into the kitchen and pointed to a calendar.
                    She had marked the date I had been wounded and the time. She had been
                    cooking that day and had had a feeling that something had happened to me and
                    had marked the calendar. The date and time were correct, after I figured the
                    time/date difference. Weird?

                    November 1970, I¹m still in Viet Nam and am wounded again. This time the
                    wounds were minor so I decided not to make any notification. I came home
                    from Nam in January 1971. Mom marches me into the kitchen and points to the
                    calendar. ³What happened on this date?² Date and time corresponded to the
                    wounds I had received in November. Weird??

                    August 1978, I¹m stationed in Saudi Arabia. Its 2 AM in the morning, I awake
                    with a start, I have heard Mom call my name. It is so realistic that I get
                    out of bed and look around the apartment. I note the time and later that day
                    I make a phone call. Dad answers the phone, Mom had a heart attack (not too
                    serious) at the time I had noted. Weird???

                    February 1991, I¹ve retired from the Army and am working for a civilian
                    contractor in Germany. I¹m in the States on a business trip. I¹m in Kansas
                    and we are testing a new battle simulation. I do not feel well, so I excuse
                    myself and head back to the motel. When I walk into my motel room, the
                    message light is flashing on my telephone. Mom has had a serious heart
                    attack and I drive all night to get to her side in Louisville, KY. I meet
                    Dad and siblings; it is really serious. We all agree to ³unplug¹ her. The
                    next day, she is sitting up in bed and asking what all the fuss is about. I
                    spend a couple of days with her and head back to Germany. Weird????

                    March 1991, I¹m back in Germany and three weeks later I have a feeling. For
                    some unknown reason, I did not call home, I called the hospital. My
                    sister-in-law came on the phone and told me to come quick. I was able to get
                    out the next day. About the time we passed Iceland, I felt it. When we got
                    within range, I called from the plane. I did not call the hospital, I called
                    home. My sister answered the phone, Mom had passed. Weird?????

                    Mom has visited me a few times since. Weird??????

                    Has anyone else had any ³special connections²?
                    --
                    Don of Niagara Falls

                    ~~~~~~~~

                    Fleas can't tolerate cedar.Put cedar twigs or chips under all your furniture
                    and the fleas will go away.Your house will also have that nice cedar
                    smell.(nice if you like cedar)

                    David in Ga.

                    buffalo says watch out for wood spiders though. heh heh

                    ~~~~~~~

                    Hi Buffalo:

                    This quote is good advice to those still employed:

                    If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
                    enthusiasm.
                    --Vince Lombardi

                    Jim Mc Quain

                    ~~~~~~

                    For some of you who doubt the wisdom of ³taking the offense² against Saddam
                    Hussein, I would like to relate to you a true event. And, shows an analogy
                    to what we face.

                    It¹s Christmas Eve and I receive a phone call from my son (a Marine), ³Sorry
                    Dad I cannot come home for Christmas, our unit is being shipped to Somalia.²
                    A few letters later, a couple of months later, and I get to meet my son at
                    the Army Hospital in Landstuhl, Germany. He has been wounded.

                    His words: ³All US forces in Somalia were under UN control (command). The
                    ³Rules of Engagement² were that ³you cannot fire at them until they fire
                    first.² My son faced, almost daily, Somalians who would point their weapons
                    at him, but, he could not take any actions. One day a unit of Italian
                    soldiers were surrounded by Somalians and they called for assistance. My
                    son¹s squad which was off duty, volunteered to go to the assistance of the
                    Italians. When they arrived, they to were cut off. My son and his men took
                    defensive positions and called for assistance. While waiting for ³help² to
                    arrive, my son saw a man throw a hand grenade in his direction; it did not
                    explode. Under the UN rules, he could not take any action. The man threw
                    another grenade, no explosion, and not reaction. The man threw another
                    grenade, an explosion, and a reaction. My son was wounded, but, he made
                    every bullet count.²

                    My point is that if we wait for the UN, Saddam gets the first shot.
                    --
                    Don of Niagara Falls


                    ~~~~~~~~

                    Hi Buffalo, I love the chips, and add me to the people who are happy you're
                    separating them from the scuttlebutt now. I always read both, but think
                    it's easier this way. To Don from Niagra Falls, the resort at French Lick
                    is still open and last I heard, doing pretty well. I've never been able to
                    stay there, but did get to eat there one time, classy place. Also, if you
                    remember the big dome at West Baden, it sat empty for years and the dome
                    itself started to collapse. Now it's been rebuilt and looks great from the
                    outside. They were giving tours of it and explaining some of its history,
                    but I haven't been able to do that either. Also, in past emails you've
                    written in talking about Scottsburg and the Scott Theatre. I grew up in
                    Scottsburg myself (born in 1960). I don't know if you still keep track of
                    anything going on there, but the Theatre was sold this fall and now there's
                    a "Country Music Jamboree" type thing that happens there every Friday and
                    Saturday night. So much for anything that most teenagers want to do. They
                    used to be able to go to the local theatre and not be on the roads as much
                    but now have to go to Seymour, Clarksville or Louisville to see a movie.
                    I've seen many movies myself at Scott Theatre, but won't be going now that
                    it's a "jamboree". From what I've heard, the theatre's owners had a few
                    business interests, and decided that the theatre wasn't as profitable for
                    them as their liquor store. Such a shame. Okay, I'm off my soapbox about
                    that. Now, to the person who asked what can be done about fleas---a product
                    called "Enforcer" is WONDERFUL. When we moved into our current house, we
                    found out that the carpet in one bedroom was infested with fleas. We tried
                    bombs, Hartz products, home remedies, all kinds of things. Finally when we
                    were about at our wit's end and almost ready to call exterminators in, we
                    saw the Enforcer at a hardware store and decided to give it a try. It got
                    the fleas FAST. There is a treatment for pets, and also for your house so
                    you're covered both ways. We saturated the carpet in that room and were
                    thrilled with the results. Good luck, I know that with fleas you need it!!!

                    Cindy from Austin, Indiana

                    ~~~~~~

                    Hey Shipmate, It sure does sound like Dottie's Grandma was/is
                    a very smart lady. In the "Wardroom" on US Navy ships, the
                    discussion of religion, politics, and sex is forbidden, and
                    for good reason. Since the Wardroom is a sanctuary where the
                    ship's officers eat, entertain, and relax, it is imperative
                    to maintain a sence of decorum and civility. It is also
                    interesting to note that I have never seen a "Scuttlebutt"
                    installed in a Wardroom either. Lastly, if we're lucky,
                    Dottie will tell us what she knows about "sex in public,"
                    and that other subject she is an expert on.

                    Best regards, Uncle George

                    Dear Uncle George:

                    Would love to elucidate on the subjects with you, but as I said, I can't
                    discuss them.
                    By the way, so proud to know you were in the Navy--always loved those Sailor
                    boys.

                    Dottie from Texas


                    ~~~~~~

                    I finally had to write. I have to know if the web site
                    (www.blackpeopleloveus.com) is for real or a major joke. I find it offensive
                    in the extreme. However, judging from the comments in the email that was
                    sent to me about the web site, many find it amusing. If anyone finds out
                    which it is,joke or real, I'd appreciate knowing. On a second subject. I'm
                    one of those handicapped people that don't look handicapped. I have been
                    cussed out by the best when I have use handicapped parking. I simply invite
                    them to call the police so that I can be issued a ticket if they find me in
                    violation. That generally shuts them up. Something that I find amazing is
                    that most of the athletes at Modesto Jr. College (California) are apparently
                    handicapped! They appear in the mornings, park in the handicapped spaces
                    with their little placards, and then hop nimbly out of the vehicles and run
                    off to class, tossing footballs back and forth among themselves. If you say
                    anything to them, they will tell you that the rules are not for them and
                    that campus security isn't going to do anything to them. I do see them
                    playing football games, and other sports, so I know they are not
                    handicapped. They just like the free and convenient parking the placard
                    gives them. Now THAT is annoying! T.


                    ~~~~~~~~

                    For Maggie:

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                    Francine

                    ~~~~~~~~

                    hi buff
                    all this talk about different guns & calibers, have you ever heard of
                    the rowland .460? there is a conversion kit for the 1911a1 that gives it
                    the stopping power of the .44 magnum without the kick. the .460 shell
                    is a few centimeters longer so it wont fit in a normal .45 gun. i think
                    Georgia arms still lists both ammo & kits.
                    prelee
                    phil erickson


                    ~~~~~~

                    I had occasion to call the Social Security Administration today,
                    and you'll KNOW this is true, because NOBODY would make up a response
                    this illogical; the pity of the event was the response being presented
                    in such a matter-of-fact, almost innocent and completely oblivious
                    manner.

                    CALLER: I need to find out if a person is still living.

                    RESPONDER: I'm sorry, but we are unable to tell you if a person is
                    living; I can, however, tell you if a person is deceased.

                    This response opened a Can of Many Questions; however, I chose to NOT
                    EVEN "go there". I felt sure further explanations would be even more
                    incomprehensible and illogical than the response, and I just wasn't in
                    the mood for Let's Play Governmentese. Maybe another day.

                    Carole

                    ~~~~~~

                    Hello Buffalo

                    I know that any individual has the right to speak his/her thoughts. I also
                    know that some of the contributions to this publication would prove
                    embarrassing to the writers if they actually thought before they wrote.

                    I am enjoying the scuttlebut much less as a separate publication. It is not
                    interesting to read long, rambling diatribes written in a biased, critical
                    (and many times grammatically incorrect) manner.

                    A lesson to be learned by many of your contributors:
                    There is so much bad in the best of us,
                    And so much good in the rest of us,
                    That it little behooves any of us
                    To talk about the rest of us!

                    Another lesson to be learned:
                    If you were arrested for being kind, would there be enough evidence
                    to convict you?

                    To quote a notable:
                    " Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything
                    but
                    due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
                    profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers ."

                    Did I miss something?
                    Mary from North Carolina

                    ~~~~~~

                    Good Morning Buffalo

                    While reading this morning's edition of Scuttlebutt, I decided to look up
                    the definition in Encarta World English Dictionary, 1999.

                    scut-tle-butt /n. 1. GOSSIP rumors about somebody's activities, often of
                    an intimate and scandalous nature (slang) 2. DRINKING FOUNTAIN ON SHIP a
                    drinking fountain on a ship. 3. CASK OF WATER ON SHIP a cask on a ship
                    containing a day's supply of fresh water (archaic) [Early 19thC. From
                    SCUTTLE+BUTT]

                    It reminded me of the early days of the Korean War (it wasn't a police
                    action in my humble opinion) when our troops were pushed down to Pusan and
                    surrounded by the North Koreans. Some of my buddies and I inititiated some
                    scuttlebutt.. We started a rumor that MacArthur was moving his headquarters
                    to Honolulu. Just in case the North Koreans took it upon themselves to
                    invade Japan. It wasn't long until we heard this tall tale reiterated in
                    the authorized beer joints on the Ginza.

                    Jim Mc Quain

                    ~~~~~

                    Dear Buffalo

                    "You cannot run for sheriff. You are not crocked enough."

                    Don, all you would have to of done is buy and drink a case of Bud or a
                    bottle of Jim Beam.

                    Jim Mc Quain

                    ~~~~~~

                    Don...."crocked" enough? Typo or Freudian slip?
                    Dave in Murphy

                    ~~~~~

                    Dear Bill

                    In 1957 I was an Air Force photographer stationed at Nouasseur AFB just
                    outside Casablanca. The Marine Consulate Guards invited me to attend their
                    birthday celebration to take pictures and commemorate the occasion. During
                    the party an Air Force 2LT made some derogatory remark about the Corps and a
                    Marine LCPL promptly decked him. Brigadier General Heim, the Air Base
                    Commander, was in attendance and he chastised the lieutenant and shook the
                    corporals hand.

                    BG Heim was a mustang. He enlisted in the Army Air Corps during WWII as a
                    buck private.

                    Jim Mc Quain

                    ~~~~~~~~~

                    jnet in Michigan:
                    Thanks for your in-put....i feel much better seeing my thoughts in print.
                    Linda

                    ~~~~~

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                    This Is The Pits:
                    I really need some advice from those in the know. I recently moved to a
                    small town and the laws are the same all over concerning dogs of all breeds.
                    Keep them on a leash or in a pen. There are these people who for some reason
                    let their pits run free. They have penned my aunt in her car for over an
                    hour. (That happened before we got here) Just recently they killed a poor
                    little dog in the street. I'm not a coward but I am disabled. If I'd tried
                    to save the little dog, who knows what would have happened. They've come
                    around here and the pen where I have my dogs. I keep a very big stick close
                    by, and so far I've just chased them off. My aunt has called the city pound
                    and they have talked to the owners. My wife and I live in the trailer behind
                    my aunt, and my fear is that they will get her and I'll not know it until
                    the next day. She's in her 80's but can't run to get away. These people seem
                    to be connected. If I were to kill the pits for being here... get my point?
                    I really need advice.
                    Wolf

                    ~~~~~

                    Jay

                    POTUS was taken off of flight duty because he refused to take medical
                    exam... This is where the coke story comes from.
                    I will send a link tomorrow that displays orders that resulted because of
                    his refusal to take Physical exam that were released under the freedom of
                    information act...
                    Jack


                    ~~~~~~~


                    I read what Inkster said and I have to write. Just my opinion but I think
                    there should be a cut off age for voting! You have to be 18 so there is a
                    beginning age.
                    When I was working as a nurse in a nursing home I was appalled when the
                    "activities director" went around and helped residents fill in ballots. Now
                    these people had been residing in the home for years. All were fed and their
                    daily needs provided. They slept through the TV news and only read the
                    comics in the newspapers. They had money but didn't need it for anything
                    except candy etc.. Since they had no idea what was really happening outside
                    of their "home" I could not see how they could make a good decision on who
                    to vote for. When I questioned the activities director I was told it was
                    "their right".
                    The proof also is in the fact that a local 911 issue was passed 4 years ago.
                    In those years no one ever set up the system and now when we call 911 we
                    talk to Tennessee and they call back to the local sheriff who then calls the
                    rescue or fire dept.. Tuesday the renewal for this levy was on the ballot
                    again. A group of ladies, shall I say in their golden years was over heard
                    talking. They all agreed that the levy was needed "Incase I fall down"!
                    The levy passed with no trouble.
                    Guess I have said enough and don't scream at me about age because I am one
                    of those old ladies too. I just read, listen watch and pay attention. When I
                    quit doing those things then I should never vote again either.

                    PS. Don't forget the deadbeat moms. My ex daughter-in-law just went to court
                    to have her child support lowered that she owes but never pays anyway. What
                    a mom LMAO

                    ~Pogo

                    ~~~~~~~~~~~

                    I got these from my friend who lives close to the area where these
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                    like sisters.
                    This is what she wrote and sent------>
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                    see. They say it was the BIG one but luckily it was in a
                    very sparsely inhabited area for the most part. It was a 7.9
                    officially.
                    It lasted for about 20 seconds. Usually they only last a few seconds
                    but this one seemed to go on and on.
                    Cindy

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                      Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
                      ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
                      sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
                      useful info was spread )

                      Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
                      due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
                      profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
                      Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind


                      You know John, I bet you just laughed your a$$ off when you read the piece
                      that Dianne sent about Clinton. Yep you thought it was pretty funny. So now
                      you know how it feels.. I can back up a lot of the things that I said about
                      Bush.. It's all right here on the net. But you don't want to hear the truth.
                      More of the Cleopatra syndrome... Or is it that Heard mentality...Heh Heh
                      Heh... One hoof clomp for yes, two for no...Heh Heh Heh
                      Jack Cook

                      oops! i hear those capital letters sneaking in there... look out! it's a
                      Truth!
                      truth is, you liberal wimps lose and you hate it, you lost your majority,
                      you are losing the black vote hand over fist because they finally figured
                      out you take but never give, you are going to continue to lose because you
                      lie. lies about your objective, lies about your motives... your politcal POV
                      is golden, but you aspire too much, cannot deliver then send in the
                      assassins to divert attention from your shortcomings. Big Dick even knows
                      when to abandon a sinking ship. much as i hate to think it, soon there won't
                      be many of you, only the fringe idealists and fanatics. oh, and have a nice
                      day. deposit your welfare check on the way out.

                      Troll

                      ~~~~~~~

                      Go, chimney babe, go! There's not a lick of sense in the D's or the R's!

                      Peri L. Dwyer, D.C.
                      "Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the
                      citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils,
                      because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because
                      they flatter the people, in order to betray them." Joseph Story-Justice of
                      U.S. Supreme Court 1811-1845

                      ~~~~~~~

                      My hat is off to Sgt John Wood. You said everything that I've been
                      thinking. I am so tired of hearing people whine about how bad the USA is,
                      that gun laws should be changed, that Bush needs to lighten up on Iraq.
                      When do they want him to do that? After the chemical, biological, or
                      nuclear bombs are used. Get your heads out of the sand, people.
                      As for discussing religion, my grandparents taught me that religion, or the
                      belief thereof is everyone's right. Just because I choose to worship a
                      particular way doesn't mean that because I don't worship YOUR way it makes
                      me less in God's eyes. Besides, religion is a subject that is left better
                      undebated, because of the ignorance of other people when they try to talk
                      intelligently about someone else's belief's.
                      MissChief1195526

                      ~~~~~~~~

                      Got an idea. Let's just all learn the REAL native language of this
                      country, that our ancestors, mine encluded, came over and took away
                      from the native people who also became my ancestors. Shamefuly I must
                      admit I dont speak it, either. I do admit that I agree, if you want to
                      live here, speak the language that is predominately spoken. But please
                      dont talk to me in the Native language or I wont understand you.
                      Signed: Heinze 57 (Scotch, Irish, English, French, Dutch and Comanche)

                      ~~~~~~~

                      hi buff,
                      i hope this finds you & yours in the best of health & happiness ....
                      once your toushy heals.....lol. personally i'd of taken that info to the
                      grave with me.
                      i'm writing for the person who asked for help with their flea problem,
                      first however, i want to say your deciding to do this & the chips this way
                      is a great idea & i love it. i have post polio & am in a wheelchair now & in
                      lots of pain most of the time. my computer has become my link to the outside
                      world & i've met many wonderful people. i enjoy the chips but i like the
                      scuttlebutt better cause people fascinate me with their thoughts & opinions.
                      my problem has become, due to pain & fatigue, that i can't sit as long as i
                      used to so being able to get to the scuttlebutt is great.......... now on to
                      the flea problem.
                      the healthiest, safest, most effect way to deal with fleas is garlic.
                      in my younger years when i was doing better i worked at variouse animal
                      shelters. most of which are run by donations so money was always an issue &
                      that's where i learned this, we used it. garlic is cheap, not prone to cause
                      allergies & healthy for skin & coat. the garlic you can use either fresh or
                      garlic salt. when you feed your pet dinner you add the garlic to it, i have
                      a belgian shepherd that weighs 128 lbs, large boned. i add half a teaspoon
                      of garlic salt to his food, the fresh doesn't work cause he eats around it
                      or spits it out. when my husband brought him home he was a mess. my husband
                      is an electrician & he found chance in an empty garage half starved, full of
                      mange, fleas & ticks. he also had lacerations on his body so we couldn't use
                      conventional flea shampoo or collars on him, which was my original intention
                      to clean him up till the garlic took effect. when you start your pet on
                      garlic it takes 2 to 3 weeks for the garlic to get into the blood stream.
                      once it does fleas & ticks will not stay on your pet as they don't like the
                      taste of the garlic in the blood, mosquitoes back off too, kind of fitting
                      for the little blood suckers don't you think ? once you start this you will
                      never have flea problems again. in the 30 odd years i've been doing this
                      with my variouse pets, i have never used flea collars, sprays, powders or
                      drops, which are proving to be doing a lot of harm to alot of animals if you
                      have watched the news. if a new pet was brought into my home it would be the
                      only one with the flea problem until i got a chance to get it on the garlic
                      regime.
                      this is all i use & all i have used in the last 30 odd years. friends
                      who have tried this stayed with it cause it works, especially those with
                      children. my little niece got deathly ill 3 years ago from the powder
                      residue on a flea collar after hugging the dog.
                      oh, for those who have pets that are over weight, if you add apple
                      cider vinegar in their water it will help shed some pounds just as it does
                      with people. i add a tablespoon of it to a gallon of water in a milk jug &
                      keep it in the fridge. i fill the water dish with that. the dogs or cats
                      don't seem to notice it's in there.
                      i hope this helps you & if you think about it, drop me a line & let me
                      know how it's going. i enjoy hearing from people i've told about this, they
                      are always so amazed at how simple, effective, safe & cheap it is for all
                      the benifits you get.
                      i enjoy everyones company so much. keep well.
                      spybrat

                      ~~~~~

                      I HATE IT WHEN.... better topic starter...I am one of the so called"OLDER
                      PEOPLE" and if you will get the h*** out of my way I will gladly pass your
                      a** in the fast lane. Not only that but if you will not get in my way in the
                      passing lane i'll gladly pass and let you dawdle along at 55 or whatever you
                      are driving and get where i'm going....
                      I drove professionally for years and will continue to drive as long as I
                      am able...Believe me when I say it's not all OLD PEOPLE who hold up traffic
                      and/or obstruct passing lanes...Too many times i've been held up by the
                      younger generation..I do agree that we need to get rid of the obstructor's
                      though...

                      arichpsr
                      Have a great day

                      ~~~~~~~

                      Dragon Naturally Speaking

                      enough, (this was supposed to say "Hi Buff")

                      Buffalo tied to this program dragon naturally speaking on your
                      recommendation. now have you know this is the first time I have tried to use
                      it. Any mistakes you see are because I'm not experienced. I only had it now
                      for about 15 minutes
                      I think it's going to work fine.

                      days (Dave) in Murphy

                      That is a lot better than I did with Office XP my first time out and
                      I swear that thing was typing from a Radio somewhere. I disengaged
                      it beat it with a hammer and finally deleted it after I couldn't get
                      computer to stop typing. I have the Dragon Naturally Speaking CD and if
                      daughter lets me near new computer I intend to install it and give it a go
                      this weekend and let my hooves heal..

                      ~~~~~~

                      Re; Cooks Drivel

                      As for me, they paid me the same thing....

                      Jack Cook


                      Boy did the Dim-o-craps ever get screwed then !
                      Could have bought 6 or 7 other whine-hos for that money
                      in Palm Coast or Miami, and wouldn't even need real
                      money, just food stamps or "Mad Dog" and Twinkies!

                      But you are right about the part where ya mumbled with
                      "$300.00 of your own money", and that's the rub! You don't mind
                      that they have been taking your money for the
                      last 8 years to support the life styles of the worthless
                      and useless and think that they should just continue to do that.
                      If the tax break bothers you that bad, why didn't you return it?
                      Over the next 8 years in Florida they will be taking 27 BILLION Dollars
                      to build classrooms for the new Union Teachers to fill kids heads
                      full of the same mush yours is filled with. Let see if I can explain this
                      so even you can understand. . . . It's MY Money, Not the Governments!
                      They should not have taken it to start with , and it's only right
                      to return it to it's rightful owner! If you want to support the illegals
                      that sneak over our borders and float up on the shore, just let me
                      know where ya live and I'll send you a dozen or so to live in your den.

                      Inkster

                      ~~~~~~~~~

                      Dear Buffalo,
                      I am a subscriber of several years and love the jokes and scuttlebut you
                      put out. I went away for a while ( computer problems) and now I am enjoying
                      the forum you put together for your fans. The reason I am writting today is
                      to forward a very troublesome letter written to an Air force cadet by one of
                      our so called" persons of higher education, a collage professor." I have
                      checked this out and it sadly is no joke. Don't know if you are aware of
                      this but read it and see what you think. Maybe there is a little need for
                      more public response?
                      I am a retired Army man myself and this has me seeing red
                      dzldktr





                      --------- Original Message ---------------
                      To: Peter Kristein
                      From: Cadet Robert Kurpriel
                      Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:16:20 -0700

                      Dear Sir or Ma'am,

                      The Air Force Academy is going to be having our annual Academy Assembly.
                      This is a forum for mainly but not only Political Science majors, discussing
                      very important issues dealing with politics. Right now we are in the
                      planning stage for advertising and we would appreciate your help in the
                      follow areas. Do you know of or have any methods or ways for interschool
                      advertising and or communications? What would be the best way for us to
                      advertise at your school whether it is sending you the fliers and you making
                      copies or by perhaps putting an advertisement in your local publication? We
                      would appreciate your input and the cost of what you recommend. Thank you
                      for your time and consideration.

                      Very Respectfully
                      Cadet Robert Kurpriel

                      Alright, not so bad so far, right? Just a college kid who attends the AF
                      Academy and is asking for some contact information for another university.
                      No biggie. But here's the reply he received.

                      -----Original Message-----
                      To: Cadet Kurpriel
                      From: Peter Kristein
                      Sent Thursday, October 31, 2002 146 PM
                      Subject: Re: Academy Assembly

                      You are a disgrace to this country and I am furious you would even think I
                      would support you and your aggressive baby killing tactics of collateral
                      damage. Help you recruit. Who, top guns to reign death and destruction upon
                      nonwhite peoples throughout the world? Are you serious sir? Resign your
                      commission and serve your country with honour.

                      No war, no air force cowards who bomb countries without AAA, without
                      possibility of retaliation. You are worse than the snipers. You are
                      imperialists who are turning the whole damn world against us. September 11
                      can be blamed in part for what you and your cohorts have done to the
                      Palestinians, the VC, the Serbs, a retreating army at Basra.

                      You are unworthy of my support.

                      Peter Kristein
                      Professor of History
                      Saint Xavier University


                      Buffalo says I have followed Ernie's List for years , in fact he
                      orchestrated a little email campaign against a certyain South African that
                      attacked
                      our values through my list. I think it was one of the best Flaming Fridays
                      he ever did and a true representation of what messing with thousands of
                      people can do to your day. Like Ernie I thought Peter's Apology was
                      insufficient but should anyone decide to contact this person they should
                      refrain from threats and obscenities, laws ranging from harassment to
                      assault may apply although if I was a judge no one could ever be convicted.

                      ~~~~~~~

                      LOL, I still haven't figured this one out: " It is considered inhumane to
                      keep pregnant pies tethered or in
                      cages which are too small for them to turn around in freely" (Anna Calhoun)

                      "i hate it when...good topic starter! i hate it when older people drive. i
                      am
                      not be discriminatory against the elderly, but many of them cannot drive.
                      it's not their fault, perhaps their vision has deteriorated or their
                      reflexes are not as sharp. but i believe that when a person turns 65 they
                      should take a driving test every year to make sure they are fit to be on the
                      road.
                      -janna"
                      I hate it......when some people think that they own the road and traffic
                      should flow to suit them. We're not on a race track and I have time to get
                      where I'm going, if you don't have time, don't expect me to speed up so you
                      can get there on time. I'm an older person and I drive the speed limit, my
                      vision is 20/20, my record speaks for it's self, as for reflexes they may
                      not
                      be as sharp as yours but I have experience enough to look ahead and behind
                      to
                      judge the traffic, I'm not putting on my makeup and my cell phone is not
                      stuck to my ear when I drive. And there are a lot more young inexperienced
                      drivers having wrecks than seniors.

                      Has anyone else had any ³special connections²?
                      --
                      Don of Niagara Falls
                      Don, I always loved my Dad more than anyone in the world, Mom always said
                      that we were exactly alike in personality. Any time that I was away from
                      home
                      and my Dad got sick I would dream of him. Last time he got sick I was in
                      Alabama, dreamed of him and when morning came I told my (then) husband that
                      Dad was sick and I was going home. He said 'you haven't even talked to your
                      Dad in a week, how would you know?' They had taken my Dad to the hospital
                      that night with pneumonia.
                      On Friday nights, a girlfriend and I had a habit of going out dancing, while
                      at work I had planned what I would wear. As I was clocking out, my Dad
                      popped
                      into my mind and I had the thought 'I'm not going dancing tonight.' After I
                      got home from work, my family called to say that Dad had a stroke died, the
                      time coincided with the time that I was clocking out. I grieved for him
                      until
                      one night I saw him and all he said was 'I'm still with you.' I have not
                      dreamed of him since and that was in 1977.

                      Doris

                      ~~~~~~~~

                      concerning the following recently sent in by Sgt. John D. Wood

                      I am an American and I am also in the Military, I do not understand why
                      many states require their students learn the spanish language,is not english
                      the lanuage of our great nation. If you want to live in this Great Nation
                      you should learn the language or go back to where you come from.

                      Sgt. John D.
                      Wood-Texas

                      there is no official national language in this great ol' U.S.A.....if you
                      think there should be one...call or write your congressman

                      Jeff

                      ~~~~~~~

                      MAY I PLEASE GIVE A VOTE OF THANKS TO PETE FOR THE TOEJUMPER SITE HE
                      RECOMMENDED TODAY, IT IS BRILLIANT. I AM A RATHER OLDER FIRST TIME USER
                      AND TEND TO STRUGGLE WITH THE TECHNICAL JARGON, BUT HAD NO TROUBLE AT ALL
                      WITH UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING AND IT IS STUFFED FULL OF USEFUL INFORMATION.
                      MANY THANKS FOR MAKING MY
                      DAY.
                      SARAH IN THE U.K.

                      ~~~~~~~~

                      "buffalo says I want to blame the president for my spider bite and the over
                      ripe apple
                      in my lunch yesterday. There now he is responsible for everything and I
                      still agree
                      with the majority of the Americans that he is doing a Great Job under
                      pressures
                      that no other president has had to face in the past 25 years."

                      Dear Buffalo,
                      You said this on the 6th. of November issue. I could be wrong as I
                      was smacked by a virus and have been out of action for two days. I don't
                      blame the President for it either.

                      I think this is the very first time I am disappointed in you. It
                      seems you have succumbed to the masses and the rhetoric that has been
                      spewing from the Republican party.

                      The only pressures President Bush is under, are the ones he has
                      placed upon himself. He has been played like a cheap guitar by Saddam
                      Hussiem.

                      Saddam has baited him to the brink of war, turned our allies against
                      us, made him put all other agendas on the back burner and split this Country
                      into pieces.

                      While all that has been on the Presidents mind is war, the economy
                      has worsened, and more Americans are out of work. The Stock Market is more
                      like a yo-yo and loses ground every day.

                      The Republicans have shifted all blame on to former President Clinton and
                      all Demarcates now have the reputation of not caring for peace and the
                      safety of the people.

                      President Bush, from the very beginning of his term has disregarded every
                      environmental plan that was in effect. He put a gag on his own appointed
                      leader of the cares of our land the head of the EPA Ms. Christie Whitman.
                      There is no Forrest, Wilderness, or Land that it safe from being exploited,
                      according to President Bush.

                      Is this the "Great job" that you say President Bush is doing?
                      Have your eyes and ears been clouded over by the posturing of war and have
                      not seen and heard what is happening to our own Country?

                      When Mr. Bush became President Bush, I said that we should all be afraid,
                      afraid of what this man is capable of doing. I am beginning to see my words
                      come true. It is truly the saying that has come true. "Be careful what you
                      wish for" Now, more then ever, with full control and power in both houses,
                      we may be facing the worst time and fears this Country has ever faced. I
                      pray to God for him to send the right message and that there are enough
                      Republicans left not blinded by partisan party loyalty, that can understand
                      and be strong enough to say NO, when the time calls for it.

                      Buffalo, I hope you can feel at least some of my fear and apprehension.
                      Power can be seductive, it can change a man in ways that we would not like
                      to see. I hope President Bush is as a God fearing man as he says he is and
                      does not let this power over rule the judgment that God gave him, not the
                      Republicans.

                      David R.
                      New York


                      "buffalo says I want to blame the president for my spider bite and the over
                      ripe apple
                      in my lunch yesterday. There now he is responsible for everything and I
                      still agree
                      with the majority of the Americans that he is doing a Great Job under
                      pressures
                      that no other president has had to face in the past 25 years."

                      I still feel that these events were all set in motion before his election
                      and would have played out the same way regardless of who was President.

                      ~~~~~~~

                      To Cindy from Austin, Indiana

                      Thanks for the update.
                      --
                      Don of Niagara Falls

                      ~~~~~~~

                      This was run in the January 21, 2001 edition of Adult_Chips. It is the
                      first thing I think of then someone starts thumping their Bible.

                      Subject: Dr Laura
                      Background:

                      Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses sex advice to
                      people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as an
                      observant Orthodox Jew homosexuality is an abomination according to
                      Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The
                      following is an Open Letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which
                      was posted on the Internet:

                      Dear Dr. Laura:

                      Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
                      have learned a great deal from your radio show, and I try to share that
                      knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
                      homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
                      18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

                      I do need some advise from you, however, regarding some of the specific
                      Bible laws and how to follow them.

                      a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
                      pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They
                      claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

                      b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
                      Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
                      price for her? She's 18 and starting University. Will the slave buyer
                      continue to pay for her education by law ?

                      c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
                      period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how
                      do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

                      d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
                      female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
                      of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
                      clarify? ....Why can't I own Canadians?

                      e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
                      clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
                      him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement project ?

                      f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
                      abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
                      I don't agree. Can you settle this?

                      g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
                      a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
                      my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would
                      contact lenses help ?

                      h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
                      around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
                      Lev.19:27. How should they die?

                      i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
                      unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

                      j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
                      crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
                      two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
                      curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
                      trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16)
                      Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we
                      do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

                      I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
                      can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
                      and unchanging.

                      Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.


                      ~~~~~~~~~~

                      I have been waiting and waiting for someone to mention this, but amazingly,
                      I haven't seen it. When I was growing up we had several cats, one of which
                      was allergic to chemical flea collars. My mom went out and bought some
                      eucalyptus. She bruised a couple of leaves on each stem and placed them
                      under the couch cushins, under chairs, behind desks.... We never had a flea
                      problem again. I suggested this solution when my in-laws had a problem and
                      it went away there too. Its cheap and easy. I would imagine with the Borax
                      and the eucalyptus combination, those fleas wouldn't stand a chance! Good
                      luck!

                      Thanks Buff, for the scuttlebutt! Gotta love it!

                      Samantha in Oregon

                      buffalo says I had a flea problem and I tied Eucalyptus leaves to
                      my horns and it got rid of the fleas but then I got mugged by a gang of
                      Koala bears for thre leaves.

                      ~~~~~~

                      The post from FruitLoop caused me to think about a great book that I
                      read on the subject. The book is God's Debris by Scott Adams. Here is
                      the Amazon review of it:

                      Scott Adams, creator of the popular comic strip "Dilbert," has written a
                      modern-day parable about a young man and an unlikely mentor. God's
                      Debris starts with a young deliveryman trying to hand over a package to
                      a man with a San Francisco address. But delivering the package to this
                      old man proves to be as difficult as trying to understand the meaning of
                      God.

                      "It's for you," the old man tells the narrator, gesturing to the
                      package.

                      "What's in the package?" the narrator asks.

                      "It's the answer to your question."

                      "I wasn't expecting any answers,"

                      The book is a quick read that is both light and deep. No matter what
                      your position on religion it will give you a new perspective.

                      Robert
                      --
                      All true wisdom is found in taglines

                      Sorting through tons of porn...so you don't have to.

                      "Law abiding citizens sleep peacefully in their beds, solely because
                      dedicated men and women stand ready to do violence in their behalf."

                      ~~~~~~~

                      Here's a Chili Recipe that I worked on for a few years.

                      Robert's Chili

                      1 pound ground beef
                      1 large onion, chopped (1 cup)
                      2 cloves garlic, pressed
                      1 T chili powder
                      ½ t salt
                      1 t ground cumin
                      1 t dried oregano leaves
                      1 t cocoa
                      ½ t Tabasco
                      1 can (24oz) diced tomatoes
                      1 bottle beer
                      1 cup salsa
                      2 cans (16oz) red kidney beans

                      Brown beef with onion, garlic, chili powder, salt, cumin, oregano,
                      cocoa, and Tabasco.

                      Add tomatoes, beer and salsa.

                      Simmer for 30 minutes

                      Add kidney beans

                      Simmer for 30 minutes

                      Server over Fritos, garnish with cheese, sour cream, and chopped onion.

                      Robert


                      ~~~~~~~~

                      H i , Buff ; This is my first 2cents worth to the list , but, read it all ,
                      & love it all . Keep up the good work . I've been following your language
                      debates lately , and would like to tell you what its like up here in the
                      MANDITORY BI-LIGUAL , frozen north. Although only Quebec, 1/10 th of our
                      prvinces , is french speaking , we have 2 official languages. You can't buy
                      or sell any product, or conduct bussiness , without all packaging,
                      instructions, warranties, forms ,etc. , being in both languages. Thats the
                      law. Well, ... everywhere, except Quebec , where it is not necessary to
                      posts signs , etc. in english . As a matter of fact , if you also post your
                      store sign in english , it must be smaller , by some preset size , than the
                      french version . And though you can't make a phone call , to a bussiness, or
                      the government ,from anywhere in Canada, without being subjected to all
                      possible options rattled off in both languages, and though you can cunduct
                      bussiness in any province , in french , where not only is bi-lingualism a
                      preferance , for all government jobs , it is a pre requisite , ... no french
                      , no job . This in a country , bending to the will of the few, to the
                      detrement of the many . There are millions in Quebec , who can't even speak
                      english . More who just won't . The prvincial government , of Quebec ,
                      openly defies the Federal government , calls for separation from the rest of
                      Canada , and other acts of open subversion . Not so very long ago , there
                      were even bombings , and assasinations , by thier leftest organisations ,
                      such as the FLQ. They keep having votes, in Quebec, to see if they want to
                      separate from the rest of the country. Luckily , these votes are held only
                      in Quebec , as I'm sure that if the rest of the provinces had a say , the
                      squeeky wheel, would stop getting all the oil , and just get replaced .
                      I believe it was one of your American forefathers , that stated , "a
                      house devided cannot stand" , please remember that before you's start giving
                      in to everyone, who wants , thier rights , at the cost of yours . Immigrants
                      flock to your shores , in the hundreds of thousands, because they want and
                      admire your society , and that is all well and good , but if they prefer to
                      have it in language and standards , of thier own counties , they would be
                      better served , to stay home , and help to change thier own countries, into
                      what they admire of yours , without giving up the things they seem unwilling
                      to change . Well, thats my 2 cents ( 2/3 of a cent after exchange rates) .
                      Jim , Ontario Canada.
                      PS ... GRANNY , appoligy in advance for spelling and punctuation . Jim.

                      ~~~~~~

                      WOW, Pogo sure hit on a good note, or maybe not so good. During the last
                      presidential election, my mother was in a nursing home with quite a large
                      number of residents. (and this is only one of how many in this country?)
                      I remember the ballots coming into the home, Mother could handle hers just
                      fine but some of the others ! !. Some didn't even know who they were nor
                      who was visiting them, but a ballot was made available to them. The day I
                      witnessed this, ballots for patients who were not awake were taken to the
                      Administrator's office.. hmmmm, wonder who filled those out? Do you know
                      in this country if one is declared incompetent, they can still vote?
                      Also to -janna... statistics for mv accidents really aren't on your side in
                      this issue.
                      Most of us do not enjoy driving behind the little old lady who is actually
                      doing 40 mph in a 40 mph zone. However there certainly are many elderly who
                      should not be driving a vehicle. Just my opinion: when we were born, our
                      parents took responsiblity for us for many years. What goes around, comes
                      around. Most elderly get to the point in their lives when *we* need to take
                      responsibility for them. I blame the families of these seniors who are a
                      threat on the roads.
                      In most states the family can have their licenses revoked. My former
                      husband (I am widowed) had his father's license pulled after my
                      father-in-law backed his truck into our living room where our 10 day old
                      niece was sleeping. Sure he was pissed off, but alive and no longer a
                      threat to others and he eventually got over it. Many states have mandated
                      an eye-exam (many can't drive because they do not keep their eyeglass
                      prescriptions up) once a year when the person reaches 65 yrs. of age. Goes
                      back to the family.. hell, it won't take that much time to make sure Granny
                      gets an eye-exam.
                      I hold my privilege to drive much in the same context as my privilege to
                      hold a concealed weapon permit and yes, I have both.. I will be 60 in
                      January and long as I can maintain my lifestyle and independence I shall do
                      so. When the day comes when I am unfit to be driving, I would expect to be
                      told so.
                      I tend to be rather blunt and hope you don't take this as a rebuttle.. we're
                      all gonna be 65 some day, God willing. Yes, DMV in every state needs to
                      pay more attention to "senior" drivers. I do agree with you, but also feel
                      you need to be aware that seniors have the lowest accident/death related MV
                      incidents in the country.. Who holds the highest?.. drivers between 20 & 30
                      yrs. old. I have yet to see a senior driver on the streets with radios
                      booming so loudly they can't possibly hear an emergency vehicle, not to
                      forget..noise this loud thwarts one's reflex time and ability to
                      concentrate. Nope, in my 25+ years in law enforcement I've never seen a
                      senior blaring the old boombox. However I sure as heck have put in
                      recommendations to the DMV that some seniors needed to be off the road
                      With respect,
                      Helen

                      ~~~~~~~~~~

                      Hello Everyone!
                      Joni Solis has more art for auction at the link below...Christmas is just
                      around the corner and what terrific gifts these would make...in addition to
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                      too...beautiful things! Purchases of Joni's art helps pay for medical
                      treatment of rescue animals in Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana. If you are
                      looking for something other than what she has here, email and let her know.
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                      ~~~Mynx


                      ~~~~~~~~

                      Good Morning Buffalo:

                      November 8, 2002

                      1731, in Philadelphia, Benjamin Franklin opens 1st US library

                      1789, Bourbon Whiskey first distilled from corn (by Elijah Craig,
                      Bourbon, Kentucky)

                      What a momentous day. I am taking a fifth of Jim Beam to the library to
                      celebrate.

                      Jim Mc Quain

                      ~~~~~~~

                      I haven't said anything on this topic, but that time has come that I can't
                      keep my mouth shut any longer. If you are going to live in the good 'ole
                      USA, then lets learn the nationally accepted language.....ENGLISH!!!!

                      To Ruth.....sorry about the accident that occured with the intoxicated
                      mexican, but let me tell you, if that man has been in this country for
                      longer than a few days, then he knows and understands more English language
                      than he is letting on to. I love in the 'Poultry Capital' of the US, and
                      believe you me, there are an aweful lot of mexicans that are more than
                      willing to live here because of the work available (hhmmm.......why is it
                      that the mexicans are willing to work in such conditions, but to the average
                      American, it's beneath them?? Companies like Mar-Jac, Valley Fresh,
                      Field-dale....)

                      Too many times working in customer service have I seen these 'mexicans'
                      claim that they don't have a clue as to what I am trying to tell them, but
                      throw out a word like beer, liquor, drink, drunk, drive or sex, or even some
                      of the 'bigger' words like intoxicated, inebriated, prostitute, arrested, or
                      Miranda rights and they know exactly what you are refering to. Oh boy, does
                      the light turn green then and the person who just seconds ago claimed that
                      they 'habla ingles' starts babbling in, albeit, broken English, but is now
                      more than willing to give their whole life history without the aid of an
                      interpretor.

                      And as Buff says, implied consent means just that, as does 'I'm implying
                      that you are drunk, I am implying that you cannot drive safely and I am
                      further more implying that I am going to arrest you'. Case closed.

                      To Donna in VA who said, "There needs to be something to protect the
                      children. Children in this country have no rights."


                      Read the following and tell me that you still think the same way.......

                      My son came home from school one day, with a smirk upon his face.

                      He decided he was smart enough, to put me in my place.

                      "Guess what I learned in Civics Two, that's taught by Mr. Wright?

                      It's all about the laws today, the "Children's Bill of Rights."

                      It says I need not clean my room; don't have to cut my hair.

                      No one can tell me what to think, or speak, or what to wear.

                      I have freedom from religion, and regardless what you say,

                      I don't have to bow my head, and I sure don't have to pray.

                      I can wear earrings if I want, and pierce my tongue & nose.

                      I can read & watch just what I like, and get tattoos from head to toes.

                      And if you ever spank me, I'll charge you with a crime.
                      I'll back up all my charges, with the marks on my behind.

                      Don't you ever touch me, my body's only for my use,

                      Not for your hugs and kisses, that's just more child abuse.

                      Don't preach about your morals, like your Mama did to you.

                      That's nothing more than mind control, and that's illegal too!

                      Mom, I have these children's rights, so you can't influence me,

                      Or I'll call Children's Services Division, better known as C.S.D."

                      Of course my first instinct was to toss him out the door.

                      But the chance to teach him a lesson made me think a little more.

                      I mulled it over carefully, I couldn't let this go.

                      A smile crept upon my face; he's messing with a pro.

                      The next day I took him shopping at the local Goodwill Store.

                      I told him, "Pick out all you want, there's shirts & pants galore.

                      I've called and checked with C.S.D. who said they didn't care

                      If I bought you K-Mart shoes instead of those Nike Airs.

                      And I've cancelled that appointment to take your driver's test.
                      The C.S.D. is unconcerned so I'll decide what's best.

                      I said "No time to stop and eat, or pick up stuff to munch.

                      And tomorrow you can start to learn to make your own sack lunch.

                      Just save the raging appetite, and wait till dinner time.

                      We're having liver and onions, a favorite dish of mine.

                      He asked, "Can I please rent a movie, to watch on my VCR?"

                      "Sorry, but I sold your TV, for new tires on my car.

                      I also rented out your room; you'll take the couch instead.

                      All the C.S.D. requires is a roof for over your head.
                      Your clothing won't be trendy now, and I'll choose what we eat.

                      That allowance that you used to get, will buy me something neat.

                      I'm selling off your jet ski, dirt-bike & roller blades.

                      Check out the "Parents Bill of Rights," It's in effect today!

                      Hey hot shot; are you crying, and why are you on your knees?

                      Are you asking God to help you out, instead of C.S.D?"

                      Author Unknown to me

                      To Dave in Murphy......understand that when I was putting my applications
                      into the Academies, that was 16-18 years ago and I was, needless to say, one
                      of those cocky little buggers that was willing to give herself over to the
                      mercy of Uncle Sam and was appalled that they would dare to turn me down!!
                      LOL!!! Well, numerous years later, not to mention many, many experiences and
                      a lot of growing up, I can now see the sensibility of my being denied
                      entrance.

                      As for that satisfying career that you suggested I turn to, I have. I am
                      happily married with three beautiful children, and one on the way. I am a
                      staunch supporter of the MADD and DARE programs, a very loud advocate of
                      children's rights in child abuse cases, as well as the elderly, and I
                      volunteer when I can at the local assisted living community (for the elderly
                      who simply need a small bit of assistance in trying to maintain independent
                      living), among numerous other things. My life is happy and full.

                      To BJ Cassady......check out the following link
                      http://www.talltexian.com/talltexiansfunnybone/id17.htm . I think that may
                      give you not only a giggle, but I know with all certainty that I am 36, 100%
                      female and still find myself 'practicing' these same things. I hold the
                      door for whomever, make sure my children walk on the inside of the sidewalk,
                      take my hat off if I have one, put my hand over my heart, and am teaching
                      these things to my children. Is it respect? Common courtesy? Morals? Ethics?
                      Put whatever name you want on it, but damn, doesn't it just make you feel
                      good about yourself and those around you??

                      To David in GA......thanks for the cedar chip tip. As soon as I hit send, I
                      think I'm outta here and on my way to Home Depot!!

                      Dixie in Northeast GA


                      ~~~~~~~~~~

                      To Sgt. John Wood
                      Quote: "I come from a family that fought Hitler,Japan,North Korea,Vietnam,
                      They made the ultimate saccrifice... '
                      Be proud, but I have two Queries and a Comment.
                      Q1. Didn't your family have anyone they got along with?
                      Q2. If they all made the ultimate sacrifice how did you come to be born...I
                      know it is alleged to have happened a couple of thousand years ago but not
                      in recent times that I have heard.
                      Comment: One of the things your family and you have so bravely fought and
                      died for was the freedom of those
                      "selfrighghtous.egotistical.disrespectful,people" to be what they are and
                      say what they want and hold their own opinions.
                      BTW what theaters have you fought in. I have intense respect for the
                      military and for anyone who is willing to lay down their life to protect
                      what is right, and for our neighbours in the U.S. My father fought in WWII.

                      To Sydney-girl
                      I worked for Spalding but found I didn't have the balls.

                      To BanderaJim- beef please...what passes for suicide hot in Canada will
                      maybe bring a little sweat to one's upper lip after two bowls.

                      To Jack Cook : One hoof clomp...heh-heh-heh-heh

                      To T. http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com is a parody


                      ~~~~~~~~~~~

                      From LynnLynn, this has got to be the most requested site since we first
                      posted it..

                      http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gcaselton/chile/recp-misc.html

                      ~~~~~~

                      Geez, asking for good service and getting what i pay for seems to be
                      asking to much today according to what has riled up in the scuttlebutt
                      over the KFC issue, if i knew it was going to cause such a stink, i
                      would of shut my mouth!! only one person Jean seem to be on track...
                      TracyB came flying off the handle like l was trying to get her fired
                      from her job and acting like l was attacking her personally... l worked
                      many fast food places as a teen and eventually worked myself hard enough
                      to open a restaurant of my own, and l trained many a teen to a managers
                      position, [it's to bad Buffalo that you seen high school kids reduced to
                      tears] that should never happen, when a customer comes back to complain
                      of bad service he/she has no right taking that matter up with the teen,
                      they should be directed straight to the manager and settle the problem
                      accordingly... that's why they have managers and then go over the
                      problem in private with the teen/worker who yes could be having a bad
                      day or working the Rush hour and worked it out that way, but to ignore
                      shoddy work is sorry to say, unthinkable as far as i'm concerned, and if
                      one chooses not to complain that is their business also, eventually the
                      employee that is making needless mistakes or whatever will quit or be
                      fired, they eventually are found out as it always shows up in your till
                      anyway... have a great day... always, LynnLynn ps. and if by chance
                      you saw the kid washing windows or sweeping the parking lot at McDonalds
                      twenty some years ago,that was me :-)

                      ~~~~~~

                      the way i understand it, the abrasives in the detergent rip the skin off the
                      little fleas, effectively killing them. hope i haven't offended
                      anyone with the gruesome details, don't want any wacko's starting in about
                      detergent now and how this is so cruel to the fleas. the way i see it, if
                      it's in my house uninvited it stands a good chance of losing it's life.
                      (bugs, burglars, or whatever) spiders will get a second chance by being
                      caught (if possible) and turned loose outside. (except buffalo biters) a
                      burglar might if he/she's a fast talker. but yep, we've had dogs for years
                      and have had good luck with detergent in the carpets. it works best in
                      conjunction with other measures, such as treating your yard and advantage or
                      something on doggy. you can put the detergent on couches and chairs too.

                      Barbara

                      ~~~~~~~

                      Yip I'm at er again, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!! Just when I think
                      I've calmed down. I have never ever bad mouthed there Dad in front of
                      them......I keep it to myself or vent to friends and on here. It's important
                      for the kids to know that despite he doesn't pay a dime or call or god
                      forbid visit them, that yes there father still loves them. I have explained
                      to the older kids that the alcohol is an illness in which he cannot control
                      right now. I also give them the hopes that maybe one day..........for there
                      sakes and his that he will seek help and be well once again. Personally I
                      don't think it'll happen, but stranger things have happened........right
                      ?!?!?!?! The fact that I think my Ex is a son of a bitchin, selfish,
                      uncaring @^&!*!&^@*.......(dayam there's my outside voice again) is totally
                      irrelevant. The kids need to know that there is hope and Dad really does
                      care. Deep down he has to.......how could he not ?!?!?!? Gawd this tears me
                      up inside and pisses me off too. Pogo I know there are also deadbeat mom's
                      out there as well. I feel the same towards them. But this is personal for me
                      to....having gone through the system and still no help after all these
                      years. I haven't given up yet though................I am WOMAN hear me
                      Roarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (heh heh ) Did you hear
                      that ?!?
                      Anne from Ontario
                      p.s. Oh how I do go on 'n on 'on !!!

                      ~~~~~~~

                      Hey Buff,
                      Long time reader, first time writer--yours is one of the only mails I
                      actually read all of. I also really like the fact that it's 'jokes-plus.'
                      And I wanted to vote in favor of the split of Scuttlebutt and Chips.
                      Anyway, I have mostly stayed out of the political debates [what is it, never
                      argue politics or religion?]
                      But in your 11/8 mailing, I had to chime in. Looking back at this email, it
                      went quite long--I separated each response with ----, so feel free to use
                      what parts, if any, you want to.

                      ----


                      Firstly, to Anna Calhoun: Good for you! Not just that you're a Republican,
                      which of course is good ; ), but that you sound like you are an interested,
                      educated voter-to-be, who thinks not only about who or what is on the
                      ballot, but behind the scenes [ie, where does this money come from? Will we
                      need bigger schools to do this?] You sound more politically astute than
                      many people two or three times your age, keep it up!

                      ----

                      Second, re: Peri Dwyer's post--I absolutely also recommend the self-gov
                      website; that quiz is very eyeopening. A lot more people support freedom
                      than they might think. I wish the Libertarians were more accepted as a
                      party; some of them have wacky ideas, but that goes for some members of all
                      political parties [hmm, for instance, "we're going to tax their *ss off" was
                      a big one.]

                      ----

                      Regarding Jack Cook's comment
                      "Hey Inkster;
                      Very sorry we forgot to take the Native Floridian suck up factor in
                      consideration for this past election. As for the Seasoned Citizens... Looks
                      like the Conservative Reprick-lycane's bought your vote for a measly $300.00
                      of your own money.... As for me, they paid me the same thing....

                      Jack Cook"

                      I'm not even sure what that first line means, but anyway--One thing I find
                      humourous, and have noticed a great deal more in the months before this
                      prior election, is that whenever you see someone talking politics and
                      inserting insulting names or mentioned words like 'hate', it's usually a
                      Democrat, or at least an anti-Republican. You people certainly can't think
                      you will win debates calling the opponent a 'prick,', can you? Does it just
                      make you feel better, like sticking your tongue out at the other party?
                      Very emotionally aggressive comments, but when you try to dig to the facts
                      underneath, you find very few, or you find them admitted a fact which is
                      actually a positive [Note: certainly there are Republicans and other party
                      members who do this ad-hominem, grade-school insulting, but it appears to be
                      predominantly the 'tolerant left.'] And Jack, you have stated part of the
                      problem, and the solution right there in your comment:
                      "bought your vote for a measly $300.00
                      of your own money". 300 of MY OWN money. People seem to forget that the
                      government's only source of income is US, the citizenry. I think the role
                      of government, especially federal government, has vastly outgrown what it
                      was originally meant to be. And as poor as the economy is, or at least as
                      poor as the media want us to believe, the best thing to get it rolling again
                      is to give the people back some of their money, or take less of it in the
                      first place. When my wife and I received our 600$ check, do you know what
                      we did? We spent some of it, thus helping a store make sales, thus helping
                      give someone a job and feed his family, thus letting him spend some money,
                      and the cycle begins anew. The only place I would agree with you is where
                      you say 'measly;' after all, the government still has ~25% of my paycheck.
                      Now, with the Republicans in power, maybe that'll drop down even more.
                      If the government were actually a company, you would see editorials and news
                      articles every day about their debt level, and their price-to-earnings
                      ratio, and all the other economic factors, but since it's the government,
                      many people and most media outlets accept it as gospel [whoops, not gospel,
                      that's mixing church and state.] When you or I have a monthly budget that
                      is too high, we have to do one of a few things: cut our spending, sell some
                      stuff to make some money, or work harder. We can't just go to our boss and
                      say, Hey, boss, I spent too much money this month on building a bike path in
                      North Dakota; give me more money. Or, actually, we can, but he'd laugh us
                      out of our office. Whereas that is exactly what the government does every
                      day.
                      Oh, and Jack, if that return of your own money is so wrong, did you keep it?


                      ----

                      I'm sorry to keep going; I just read Chimney Babe's response to the list of
                      How to be a Good Democrat, and wanted to respond to some of her responses:

                      1b. Well, as an atheist conservative, I don't think God has anything to do
                      with it. However, with regards to drug-initiated AIDS, it could perhaps be
                      punishing, or due to, failure to be careful and protect oneself. Hey, that
                      even happens with 'those homos'; last I heard, gay people could use condoms
                      and get testing too. And while certainly not 100%, when you're dealing with
                      AIDS, wouldn't you want any protection you could get on your side?

                      2b. Or from concerned, involved parents, who instill in you good morals
                      [ie, putting out doesn't make you positively popular; it's very special and
                      meaningful to wait for that 'special person', even if it's before you get
                      married, etc.]

                      3b. While certainly nukes and WMD are scary regardless who has them,
                      there's a difference between a psycho who regularly assassinates his own
                      people and family members having them, and the leader of one of the most
                      powerful, most looked-at nations in the world, which nation has only used
                      them twice in sixty years, and that was after warning the other party.

                      4b. What does this even mean? The first comment makes a statement on the
                      idea that all art REQUIRES federal funding, the second on the idea that
                      federal funding NEGATES art. However, neither of those are the case. I
                      think the big issue here is the definition of 'art'. Even most liberals, I
                      would think, would agree with the idea that 'The federal government should
                      provide some sort of defense for the country'; and most conservatives, I
                      would think, would agree with the idea 'The government should provide some
                      sort of aid for the needy.' The question with each of those, is, How much?
                      With art, however, well, what is art? Is Robert Mapplethorpe art? Is
                      Marilyn Manson art? Is HR Giger art? And if so, and if there are some
                      'aspiring artists' who are working on their art, but haven't sold yet, how
                      long should the government give them OUR money? What's the difference
                      between that and, say, bailing out a failing company?

                      5. I think it's massive egoism to believe that our cars, that have been on
                      this planet only about a century, do more damage than all the environmental,
                      natural changes that have occurred for the past billions of years. Also, I
                      believe I recently read that the 'ozone hole' is actually shrinking/closing
                      up. Plus, even if our cars/vehicles do cause the environment to implode,
                      eventually we'll die off and then the environment and the planet will be
                      left on its own devices, and it can try again. And why is it always 'SUV's?
                      They've only been around, what 10-20 years? I find it difficult to believe
                      that a Jeep Cherokee, or whatever, is solely responsible for all this
                      allegedly envirocide, and cars, trucks, factories, LA, aren't. And
                      finally--do you drive, Chimneybabe? If so, you're part of the problem also.

                      6. Hmm...Many people make a choice every day about using drugs, or drinking
                      heavily, or molesting children, or killing people, etc. Or even smoking
                      cigarettes. People do make choices, every day, which result in the same
                      results that you list. Note: I'm not sure where I stand on homosexuality
                      being natural vs. learned, but I do know your 'logic' in 6b is faulty.

                      7. Much like banning guns would stop murders from happening, right? The
                      problem here actually links back to number 2, ie, the lack of a solid sexual
                      education, complete with options [ALL the options, including abstinence,
                      which works every time it's tried] and results [For every teacher saying
                      'It's your right as a fifteen year old girl to have a baby', there needs to
                      a teen mother saying 'While I love my baby, my life was totally changed, and
                      not all in positive ways, from having this baby so early and so young.']
                      And again, they card for smokes, but I don't think they card for condoms, or
                      the pill. I had a girlfriend who was on the pill when she was 14. I know
                      that's awfully late for some of these preteen mothers, but its better than
                      nothing.

                      8b. Greed is good.
                      Finally, you got one right! Greed is good. Greed motivates, and causes
                      people to work harder and innovate. Now, unmitigated greed, or greed
                      without morals and ethics alongside it, is bad. People can be honest,
                      decent, and 'greedy.' I'm honest, I want more money and stuff than I have.
                      I want to provide my family with a good, enjoyable lifestyle, enough to do a
                      lot of what we want. However, I'm not willing to kill or rob a bank to do
                      that; rather, I work and try to do the best I can.

                      9. Speaking of nature--survival of the fittest. The guy with the gun wins.
                      Now, I'm not a hunter, but I am a gunowner, and support people's right to
                      bear arms and hunt. I don't like the stereotypical 'pleasure hunting',
                      where something is shot, then left to die miserably and in suffering. I
                      come from a hunting family; every Christmas, we were bringing home venison
                      and fish and rattlesnake and all sorts of stuff. If you hunt it, use it,
                      and don't hunt more than you can use/eat/donate. [Speaking of which--I
                      worked in a deer processing plant two years; the number of hunters who
                      donated huge amounts of venison/deermeat to the homeless/hungry was amazing.
                      So while hunting, they were enjoying themselves, and helping feed the
                      hungry.]

                      10. I assume 10b. means that one shouldn't make use of, and benefit from,
                      any advantages a person may have, be they intelligence, athleticism, money,
                      contacts, whatever. If so, that's just silly. We are all different,
                      everyone is better at something or has more of something than someone else,
                      and it's foolish not to make use of it. For some people, it's brains
                      [Einstein], for others, it's sports [Shaq], some people are born with a lot
                      of money/assets, so they can start off focusing on whatever they want to do
                      rather than trying to build a nest egg. If they have that opportunity, more
                      power to them.

                      11b. Um, okay...No one 'always does what they're told.' And sometimes
                      that's a good thing--what if the commander at My Lai had said Nope, not
                      gonna do it. Or some guards/scientists in the Nazi camps, if they had said
                      No way! Now, definitely, in the military there's much less room for
                      individual freedom and choice on the grunt level, and there are definitely
                      compelling reasons for that.

                      12b. The freedom of speech, and the right to bear arms, are not mutually
                      exclusive. Comment 12 is pointing out the hypocrisy of saying This part is
                      good, because we like it, but this part is bad, because we don't. In fact,
                      it is in part the right to bear arms that helps keep speech free. They're
                      both essential, and true constitutional conservatives will fully agree with
                      that.

                      13b. Certainly some of the salaries and perks are, well, ridiculous, but
                      think about it--I fully support the 'man on the front line' [I have a
                      history in retail and customer service'], but more of the decisions and the
                      impacts thereof devolve on the CEO and other suit-and-ties. If they teller,
                      or the cashier, or whoever, quits, they just replace him. Now, the flipside
                      of this is that if a CEO messes up, he should be held accountable--this crap
                      about letting CEO's go with million dollar bonuses, after they drive the
                      company into the hole, is definitely wrong. But as long as the
                      stockholders/board of directors let it keep happening, it'll keep happening.
                      Vote with your dollars.

                      14b. Actually, I don't think many of the founding fathers were all that
                      rich. Women have certainly made some marvelous additions to history, but
                      part of the issue is that for the longest time, the people recording the
                      data were men or working for men, mostly white men.

                      15. Racism didn't end in 1866--we now have affirmative action, and 'reverse
                      racism', and Miss Black America, etc. It's just that now there are people
                      on all sides being racist. That said, I think the racism problem is a whole
                      lot better than it used to be. It's just more equally spread out now...And
                      yes, I do agree that the quotas etc are currently part of the problem, not
                      part of the solution [When it first became law, it definitely was
                      beneficial, but now the letter of the law is followed more than the spirit,
                      and zero-tolerance in any regard is harmful.] Not to mention, insulting;
                      the legal thinking now is that You're a minority, you can only succeed if
                      the government helps you.

                      16. No comment : ) I despise Hillary, and like Newt, but they've both had
                      their share of personal escapades. But it's funny that you should mention
                      that, because I thought 'personal life doesn't matter, leave him alone'?

                      17. You are absolutely right--those little assists are tiny injections of
                      socialism, and should be stopped. In a truly free market, the better
                      product and the better company would succeed and profit. Ultimately, the
                      consumer would. One of the big political ads here that got my goat was
                      Erskine Bowles talking about how he would support 'buyouts' of tobacco
                      farmer's crop; basically, if it didn't sell, the government would buy it.
                      Then I assume sell it to the cigarette companies, then sue them for more
                      money. If a product doesn't sell, and if the company doesn't make money, oh
                      well, the company should learn from its experiences. Basically that's
                      corporate welfare, and if you support social welfare, why don't you support
                      corporate welfare, which after all could help many more people [the people
                      who would be without jobs.]

                      18. Sigh....that's not even the issue...If he would do that, and then lie
                      repeatedly about it on the witness stand, what else would he do? [Oh
                      yeah--Whitewater, Vince Foster, cleaning out the White House, illegal
                      Chinese campaign contributions, etc.] And trading arms for hostages? You
                      mean, We give you something, and you give us back our citizens? You'd
                      rather them sit there, suffer, be assassinated/murdered?

                      19. So your religion is homosexuality, drag, bestiality? Interesting....I
                      do believe in freedom of religion, practice what you want as long as
                      everyone involved is willing [ie, no Heaven's Gate brainwashing.] But also
                      either leave me alone, don't try to proselytize me, or if you do, at least
                      have the open mind to listen to my arguments.

                      20. Interesting. Funny; for Y2K election cycle, the top 50 corporate
                      donors gave approx 51 million to the Democrats, and approx 31 million to the
                      Republicans; In this previous election cycle, the top donor was Saban
                      Entertainment [makers of such highclass, educational entertainment as the
                      Mighty Marketing Power Rangers], with 7,725,000 to the Democrats, and 0 to
                      the Republicans. Most of the donors gave at least some amount to both
                      parties, hedging their bets. Including Global Crossing and Enron, many
                      unions [almost all to Democrats] and many lawyers [almost all to Democrats.]
                      I didn't see Erskine Bowles or Frank Lautenberg returning or refusing to
                      accept any of that zillion dollars he was given.
                      http://www.opensecrets.org/softmoney/softtop.asp?txtCycle=2000&txtSort=amnt
                      Check out that site, opensecrets.org, for more interesting figures. Also,
                      you're right, the Democrats do believe in one man, one vote--even dead men,
                      men who are no longer in the state/district, some men with four legs [read a
                      case where a person's dog was a registered Democrat]. Heck, some men get to
                      vote two or three times.
                      ----
                      Okay, I'm done now...I don't talk often, but when I do, look out...

                      Tony in NC
                      Keep up the great work, and hope you're feeling better soon!

                      ~~~~~~~~~

                      For Don in Niagra,

                      Don, I was really happy to hear your story. I don't tell mine any more
                      'cause people think I am telling a sea-story. I went to Navy boot camp in
                      1957. While there I received a box of chocolate chip cookies from my
                      mother. A BIG box. I was lucky to get a couple of them for myself before
                      the rest of the company fought for the rest. I wrote to Mom, and told her
                      how much I loved them but asked her not to send any more until I asked for
                      them.

                      Fifteen years later, on Yankee Station (Vietnam) I decided that I would love
                      to have some of Mom's cookies, so I wrote and asked for some. They arrived
                      four days later. I was shocked! Talking to Mom later, I asked how she got
                      them to me so quickly. She said that she got my letter days AFTER she
                      shipped the cookies. In calculating the time difference etc. we discovered
                      that she had been watching TV one night and had a sudden urge to bake me
                      some cookies. She remembered my admonition, but somehow knew I wanted them
                      NOW. The times matched perfectly.

                      Three years later, while home on leave with my new wife, we were watching TV
                      in Mom's home. My wife told me the rest of this story. I got up and as I
                      walked out the door, I turned and said "okay." I returned a few minutes
                      later with a six pack of beer and handed my mom a pack of cigarettes. As
                      far as I was concerned, I had spoken aloud "I'm going to the package store
                      for some beer." As far as I was concerned, Mom asked me to bring her a pack
                      of cigarettes. My wife, who was between us said that the only word spoken
                      was "okay." It actually scared her to know that we had communicated so well
                      without saying anything but "okay."

                      Mothers and sons DO have a connection which is scientifically unexplainable
                      today. I am so happy to hear somebody else talk about it.

                      Dave in Murphy

                      ~~~~~~

                      Hey Buffalo
                      I haven't ever responded to any of your emails I just sit quietly here in my
                      corner of the world and read. I have been a member of your list for quite
                      sometime. The only reason I am responding today is I read the article Sgt.
                      JohnSWood wrote about the military.

                      Let me explain my husband of twleve years is in the National Guard. He went
                      to his normal guard weekend in August and his commanding officer told them
                      they were going to be deployed to Kuwait in early November. He came home and
                      told his mother and I this news we both started squalling. We live two hours
                      away from his guard unit so on the drive home we talked quite a bit about
                      what had been said and done the two days of guard. We went on about our life
                      hardly ever talking about it since we had two months before it was going to
                      happen. They are scheduled to attend guard the first weekend of every month
                      but I got a call that September's guard had been delayed to the third
                      weekend. At the time of the call I had no idea what was happening but two
                      days following that I got the mail and there was a envelope addressed to my
                      husband from his guard unit. I waited til he got home to open it and when he
                      did it was his orders to be deployed two months early. They gave him a two
                      week notice that they were leaving. He had to report to guard on Sept 21 for
                      his normal guard weekend then come home for a day then had to report back to
                      guard for deployment. He was finally deployed October 4th to a base in
                      Louisana for training and now he is in Kuwait.

                      I have always been for military until it hit so close to home. When he first
                      got his papers I cried really hard and hated on Bush for several days until
                      he said "Honey calm down I am going over there kicking butt and coming home.
                      I am only going over there so I can be a part of making sure NOBODY comes
                      over here and hurts you or the kids." From that point on I have been 100%
                      strong, and behind this whole mission. Not to mention a very proud wife of a
                      wonderful soldier. However, I do wish we would do what we are going to do
                      and get it over with in our 12 years together we have never been apart. As
                      for that part I am very lonely but otherwise a very vocal supporter of
                      President Bush's actions.

                      When you think about it my husband is taking a chance on not coming home to
                      see our children grow up who are only 8 and 3 to make a better life for all
                      of you disrespectful people in this country. He is going to be gone for the
                      holidays but I have faith he will be home. He has been gone since the first
                      of Oct. and our 3 year old didn't have a clue why daddy wasn't coming home.
                      The other night she had a dream and I could hear her hollering VERY loudly
                      Daddy please come home, Daddy come home. Daddy I love you...... After
                      hearing this it broke my heart for her.

                      In Closing I would like to say all you heartless disrespectful people should
                      either shut your mouth or move out of our great country. If all you can do
                      is bitch about this nation MOVE cause we have innocent children here
                      suffering because their parents are defending you! I would like to Thank
                      Sgt. Wood and all the men who give their time and life to this great country
                      in order to keep us safe.

                      THANK YOU SGT. WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      Jen

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                        Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
                        ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
                        sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
                        useful info was spread )

                        Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
                        due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
                        profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
                        Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind


                        Hi Buffalo Love Your jokes and scuttlebutt.
                        The person with the flea problem,i may have a solution. My ex and i
                        voluntered as foster parents for our local animal shelter. Our local Vet
                        suggested a product called flea busters.This product is very safe and
                        natural.Basically it is a sea salt applied on your carpet and furniture.It
                        is in a powder form like powdered sugarSince fleas lay eggs at a rate that
                        you cannot control.This sea salt adheres to the flea egg and dries it up not
                        allowing eggs to hatch.It takes about 3 weeks to stop the infestation,and
                        they guarantee thier product for one year.We used the product and have been
                        flea free for 8 years after one application.It is harmless to humans and
                        your pets.I swear by this product.This is just a suggestion. You can go to
                        fleabusters.com and read for yourself. Bill in San Leandro Ca.


                        ~~~~~~


                        Go to your local grocery store and in the laundry detergent aisle, find the
                        old 20 Mule Team Borax dry detergent. Sprinkle on your carpet as you would
                        a carpet freshener, but leave it on the carpet for a few days, if you can.
                        You can walk on it and all, which would be great, because it would help to
                        crunch the detergent into the carpet some. After a few days, vacuum as you
                        normally would. (Please wear socks, shoes, slippers, when passing through
                        the rooms that you 'sprinkle' as you never know if you may react)

                        oh yes borax is good for other insects too. you can use it as a barrier
                        against cockroaches. they are the only bugs that really make my skin crawl.

                        e

                        ~~~~~~~~

                        You are one of the very few people that I have heard of
                        from Florida that will almost admit that they voted for either one of them.

                        Don

                        Well Don,

                        I'm from Ft. Lauderdale. I'm retired Navy with 21 years enlisted
                        service. I'm conservative and Republican, and yes I voted for George as well
                        as GW, and also Jeb, and certainly proud to admit it. I live in Broward
                        County, not Palm Beach where the bulk of the last elections voting
                        controversy occurred. Unfortunately too many senior citizens unable to see
                        clearly enough to read or understand the ballot up there threw a monkey
                        wrench in the process. But thank God they still have Florida drivers
                        licenses and can drive 30 miles an hour in the express carpool lane with
                        their turn signal on. LOL Had I have lived in North Carolina I would also
                        have voted for Elizabeth Dole, but NEVER did or would for a Bill or Hillary
                        Clinton.

                        So Don I guess we may differ in politics, but you share some great
                        stories.


                        Bill-Bo
                        ~~~~~~


                        Has anyone else had any ³special connections²?

                        A few years ago, I went out of town for the weekend. My children stayed
                        with my Mom and Dad, so I had no worries! On Sunday morning, I had the
                        strongest urge to get home. The feeling kept getting stronger and stronger.
                        It got to the point that I grabbed all my weekend gear and headed for the
                        Car. At 10:35 AM, the feeling just left, as if it had never been there.
                        When I got home, I had forgotten all about it, until Mom told me how my
                        daughter and two nieces had gotten in trouble that morning. All three girls
                        had been across the road for some reason, when the Milk Truck Driver came
                        down the way. You know the big Bulk Trucks that haul Milk from the Farms to
                        the Dairy? At any rate, all three girls got it in their head to try to get
                        back across the road before the Truck got there. The driver had to slam on
                        his brakes, with half a load of sloshing milk in the back, and managed to s
                        top a few feet shy. The time he goes by every day? 10:35 AM.

                        Deb in Wisconsin

                        ~~~~~~~~

                        Okay, here's an OLD Texas Chili recipe, not Camp Cook style, more for the
                        kitchen.....

                        2 lb beef chuck or shin (explanation, for the uninitiated: forequarter, w/o
                        the knee; very lean) in 1/2" cubes
                        8 Tbsp olive oil
                        8 Tbsp (or what the hell, 1/4 cup) hot chili powder (it's hard to find, even
                        here in South Texas, but if you can get the black Mexican chili powder, by
                        all means DO it!)
                        1 lb Mexican chorizo sausage, sliced 1/4" thick (& I may have to send this
                        to you!)
                        3 medium onions, chopped 1/4" (Texas 1016's or Georgia's Vidalias, if you
                        can get 'em; sweet onions is what we're after)
                        8 garlic cloves, chopped coarse
                        1 Tbsp oregano, preferably Mexican, crumbled
                        3 tsp cumin (cumino), ground
                        3 tsp coarse salt (not Iodized, if possible)(No, don't use road salt!)
                        2 tsp fresh ground pepper (white pepper is a dandy alternative, & I prefer
                        it)
                        4 lb canned Italian plum tomatoes, drained and chopped (this is from the
                        original recipe; I use 3-4 cans of RoTel diced tomato(e)s. Do NOT use the
                        RoTel w/ green chile peppers, it just confuses the flavor!)
                        2 cans of beer, Dos Equis or other Mexican beer (or just about any damn
                        beer, & in any quantity, as long as you drink most of it!)
                        6 oz tomato paste (not sauce)
                        2 Tbsp Worcestershire (didn't think I could spell it, did'ja?)
                        Toss meat with 3 Tbsp. olive oil and 3 Tbsp. chili powder in non-aluminum
                        (absolutely NO aluminum, lessen you want to die!) bowl. Let stand in
                        refrigerator overnight.

                        Heat a little more than 1/2 of remaining oil in large, heavy skillet over
                        med-hi heat. Drench the meat in flour & brown it in batches (do not crowd)
                        on all sides, about 5 minutes.
                        Transfer to a large pot, using slotted spoon. Add chorizo to skillet and
                        brown well. Transfer to pot using slotted spoon. Reduce heat to med-lo. Add
                        more oil to skillet, if necessary. Add onions and cook until translucent,
                        about 10 minutes. Add garlic, chili powder, oregano, cumin, salt and pepper
                        & the W. sauce. Stir about 3 minutes then transfer to pot. Stir in tomatoes,
                        beer and tomato paste. Bring to a boil then reduce heat. Cover and simmer
                        until meat is very tender, stirring occasionally, about 3 hours (esp. if you
                        use shin, it is NOT born tender, & needs to cook over low heat for about an
                        hour a pound). Uncover during last hour if necessary to thicken liquid into
                        sauce.

                        Some folks cook beans IN their chili! What a travesty! Serve them on the
                        side if you think it's necessary. Salsas are also good. As with all spicy
                        foods, it will be better the 2nd day....& for those of you w/ Dutch ovens,
                        this is great in a 4 quart oven, cooked outside where if you get drunk and
                        fall down, you don't break nothin' too valuable!

                        Next week I'll give you a recipe for HOT chili! (and Mr. Buffalo, you really
                        ought to consider venison chili! Mule deer, elk, moose) No moose, I'm just
                        kidding! I think.....

                        Serves 6-8 Yankees generously, or about 1-1/2 Texans. Only about 2/3 of a
                        Cajun, though.....

                        BanderaJim

                        ~~~~

                        In response to: LOL, I still haven't figured this one out: " It is
                        considered inhumane to
                        keep pregnant pies tethered or in cages which are too small for them to turn
                        around in freely" (Anna Calhoun)

                        I'm sorry. I should have explained this better. Unless you already knew what
                        I was talking about, you would not understand. As it read on the ballot:
                        "Inhumane treatment of animals is a concern of Florida citizens; to prevent
                        cruelty to animals and as recommended by The Humane Society of the United
                        States, no person shall confine a pig during pregnancy in a cage, crate or
                        other enclosure, or tether a pregnant pig, on a farm so that the pig is
                        prevented from turning around freely, except for veterinary purposes and
                        during the prebirthing period; provides definitions, penalties, and an
                        effective date." This passed by about 6 points. I was disappointed that
                        there was not a larger margin but I can understand why some people in a
                        country setting would vote against it as it tells them how to raise their
                        animals. I am an animal rights activist and we will take anything that we
                        can get which treats the animals better. Still, it won't make much of a
                        difference in the long run as they will both end up being slaughtered and
                        eaten. But this will ease their suffering a little for a while so I am all
                        for it.

                        One thing that really irritated me last week was hearing one of my friends
                        who is already 18 talking before the election. He said that his father had
                        told him to vote no on all of the amendments. Well, what does he think? You
                        can't let somebody tell you how to vote. This is your decision so you need
                        to make it for yourself.


                        Anna Calhoun
                        ~~~~~~~

                        Buffalo -

                        Just a couple of comments ...

                        Don of Niagara... you are one cool dude. I like the way you think, and
                        the way that you express yourself. Keep it up !

                        Fruitloop... on the subject of who created God, and who created the
                        Creator of God, and who.... ( ! )

                        That is something that fascinates me, and always will. I guess this
                        subject all by itself alone begs the question of whose religion is the
                        "right" religion, and who has it wrong, more than anything any of us
                        could bring to the table. I would love to sit down with you, too, and
                        have a good talk...

                        Buffalo, the Scuttlebutt is getting better and better.

                        Ganny

                        ~~~~~

                        In the latest scuttlebutt someone wrote:

                        I have yet to see a senior driver on the streets with
                        radios
                        booming so loudly they can't possibly hear an emergency
                        vehicle, not to
                        forget..noise this loud thwarts one's reflex time and
                        ability to
                        concentrate. Nope, in my 25+ years in law enforcement
                        I've never seen a
                        senior blaring the old boombox. However I sure as heck
                        have put in
                        recommendations to the DMV that some seniors needed to
                        be off the road
                        With respect,
                        Helen

                        We used to have a 60 year old chap who delivered
                        flour to the bakery where I worked. He was a cheerful
                        rustic giant of a man - who could lift three
                        hundredweight (336lbs as there are 112lbs in a proper
                        English hundredweight) from the floor. He regularly
                        jogged in and out of the bakery with two 70lb bags on
                        one shoulder. Three if it was raining, or he was
                        otherwise in a hurry.

                        He was also a 'Fire& Brimstone' type lay Preacher
                        whilst not working and tape recorded all his prayer
                        meetings. Which he then played back on an in-cab
                        stereo system which would have made many youngsters
                        bleed from the ears ;-)

                        We could *hear* 'Mine eyes have seen the Glory...'
                        long before we heard the engine, and on sunny days he'd
                        have one huge forearm resting on the open window and
                        his own voice would be out-booming the stereo. And on
                        otherwise quiet mornings at around 6am we could feel
                        the thud long before we ever heard the words.

                        A magnificent if hugely(!) eccentric fellow.

                        Gyppo

                        ~~~~~~

                        Please!!!! Buff, I love the scuttlebutt, but everyday am having to dig
                        deeper and deeper in that pile to find the donkey, you know the story,
                        who is this Toni from N.C. that you allowed to go on and on and on for
                        what seemed like days? Yes, I have a scroll bar and a delete key and
                        have been using it a great deal lately, but in so doing am missing a lot
                        of the peoples remarks I used to love to read, seems I read when you
                        seperated the scutlebutt the intro was I will keep it short and to the
                        point, please!!!! do so. Oh, excuse me I just remembered this is Buffalo
                        Chips not donkey do, guess that is why the pile is getting so deep. huh
                        Helen

                        ~~~~~~~

                        Dixie's post regarding supporting D.A.R.E. and M.A.D.D. struck a cord
                        with me. I'd like to know if anyone thinks that D.A.R.E. actually
                        works. Here is the link to the D.A.R.E site http://www.dare.com/.
                        Here's an article from the Detroit Free Press from September 1, 2001
                        http://www.freep.com/news/nw/drugs6_20010906.htm. D.A.R.E.'s site
                        claims they are successful and the Free Press article says they aren't.
                        Reminding me of Mark Twain quote, "There are three kinds of lies, lies,
                        damn lies, and statistics." Personally I don't think D.A.R.E. works.
                        My ex-wife's daughter went through D.A.R.E. and swore she's never
                        smoke. She does now. She told me tales of kids smoking in their
                        D.A.R.E. shirts. If kids are going to stay off drugs it is the
                        responsibility of their parents to do most of the work. I'm sure the
                        main reason that ex's daughter smokes is because the ex does.

                        Robert
                        buffalo says If one child doesn't die from drinking and driving, if
                        one student doesn't die from cocaine, ifone student doesn't get raped
                        because she doesn't use drugs that leave her so incapacitated she
                        isn't aware what is going on, isn't the program sucessful. Should we
                        stop Sunday School because teenagers still have premarital sex.
                        It is not statistics , it is keeping children safe till they can make their
                        own informed choice

                        ~~~~~~~

                        Thanks, Pete, for the http://www.toejumper.net/ link. I am brewing a pot
                        of coffee-- hot date with my computer! Hopefully toejumper will remove my
                        title as Computer Killer. Brika

                        ~~~~~~

                        For Jack Cook,
                        Do you REALLY believe EVERYTHING you read on the net???.
                        And it's herd............

                        On another note....
                        "Law abiding citizens sleep peacefully in their beds, solely because
                        dedicated men and women stand ready to do violence in their behalf."(a quote
                        from the SB)

                        I was one of those "violent" people once.We were sent to get some people out
                        of a bad situation.We brought every one of them home,BUT not without
                        injuries to ourselves.We were not aquatinted,related,or even friends with
                        these people.But we went to get them.And we did.......NO REGRETS!!
                        My question is,just who would do the same for me?

                        David

                        ~~~~~

                        Hey Buffalo,
                        I hate to be picky, but you know what us Aussies are like .... but Koalas
                        are not bears, They are Marsupials, no relation what so ever to Bears.
                        ;-)


                        "buffalo says I had a flea problem and I tied Eucalyptus leaves to
                        my horns and it got rid of the fleas but then I got mugged by a gang of
                        Koala bears for there leaves"

                        Carol
                        ~~~~~~~~

                        To Dixie in Northeast GA:

                        Is it naughty to "love in the 'Poultry Capital' of the US?"

                        Future King of Ohio, LMAO!!!

                        ~~~
                        To Jim in Ontario, Canada:

                        Who's your GRANNY, who's your GRANNY?

                        Future King of Ohio, ROFLMAO!!!!!

                        ~~~~~~

                        Dear Dave in Murphy,

                        Your comments about receiving cookies reminded me:

                        I was assigned to the Delta, Viet Nam. Mom remembered that I loved her home
                        made Divinity Candy. One day I was sitting in the bunker and the mail clerk
                        came by with a box for me. The box as about 1 foot square. I opened the
                        letter attached first. Mom told me she had sent me some Divinity. I opened
                        the box. In the bottom of the box was about 1 inch of sugary syrup. The
                        Divinity had melted in the 100 degree heat and the100 percent humidity. I
                        wrote Mom and asked her not to do that again.

                        A couple of months later, the mail clerk came into the Command Bunker and
                        was carrying a plastic bag. Inside the bag was some cans and some red
                        liquid. I opened the bag and found 6 cans of "Big Red" soda. Two of the cans
                        were empty (popped open), two of the cans were buldged at end, and two of
                        the cans were OK. As best I could figure, Mom had sent them to me, knowing
                        Big Red was one of my favorites and not available in Nam. Apparently some of
                        the cans had exploded while in flight, not sufficient air pressure on the
                        air plane en route. Anyway, I enjoyed the two good cans and auctioned off
                        the two buldged cans for $10 each. I wrote Mom and asked her not to do that
                        again.

                        Mom sent me several other packages. In some she used popcorn for packing.
                        The popcorn was usually the best. And, in the end, Jiffy POP was the best.
                        --
                        Don of Niagara Falls
                        ~~~~~

                        Crocked
                        OK. OK. You caught me. Too many vodka and tonics as I type. And, I've told
                        you before spelling is not my fortay (sp). Crocked or Crooked, who cares.
                        --
                        Don of Niagara Falls

                        ~~~~~

                        Dear Carole,

                        Why didn¹t you go there? If you had asked if the person was dead, and the
                        answer was yes/no, you had your answer. What¹s the problem. Not to pick on
                        you, but, too many times in our lives something happens (an answer we did
                        not expect to hear) that throws us off our track and we lose sight of our
                        mission. Your mission was to fiend out if a person was alive or not.

                        In March 1974, my mission was to find out if I were to remain in the Army.
                        The Army was still going through is own ³downsizing², called a RIF
                        (Reduction In Force). A special board had been convened at the ³Odd
                        Building² to consider Officers to be let go. I had been told that I was
                        among those being considered. I had a couple of contact and was in contact
                        with Rumor Control. I received word that the board had finished its dirty
                        work. I called several of my contacts, but, was unable to find out anything
                        except that the ³letters² would be mailed on a certain date. But, nobody
                        would let me know if I was to receive a letter.

                        Ponder, ponder, think, think. I called a General I had served with in Nam
                        and cashed in a chit. And, got a phone number. The number led to the ³little
                        ole lady in tennis shoes² who ran the register mail section of the post
                        office in the basement of the Pentagon. I introduced myself and was
                        surprised that anyone had phoned her. I laid on the honey and all my
                        gentlemanly charms, and confirmed that she had mailed the letters earlier
                        that day. But, she would not tell me if my name was on the list (the rules
                        forbade her to tell the names on the list). I thunk for a moment. And, asked
                        if she could not tell me if my name was on the list, could she tell me if
                        she had sent a registered letter. She thunk about it and said there was no
                        prohibition against that information. And, she had not sent me a letter.

                        Now you may ask why did I go to so much trouble to find out something I
                        could have waited a another week to find out. Two reason: First, I had
                        invested 15 years in the Army, had a strong desire to make the Army my
                        career, and some how wanted to get a jump onto something unknown at that
                        time. Second, I wanted to be in charge and wanted to prove that I could beat
                        the system as my last great act of defiance.

                        The point is that persistence pays off.
                        --
                        Don of Niagara Falls

                        ~~~~~~~~

                        Dear Fruitloop, and any others interested.

                        You are more than welcome to get inside my head anytime you want, but, be
                        advised that you need to bring along a compass and a flashlight (torch). It
                        maybe easy to get lost and hard to find your way around, or out.

                        P.S. Spent a month in Sidney one week in Nov 1971. Luv ya.
                        --
                        Don of Niagara Falls

                        ~~~~~~~

                        Hey Buffalo,

                        Had to point this one out....Does it have anything to do with "chicken
                        plucking"


                        ****************************************************************************
                        *

                        To Ruth.....sorry about the accident that occured with the intoxicated
                        mexican, but let me tell you, if that man has been in this country for
                        longer than a few days, then he knows and understands more English language
                        than he is letting on to. I love in the 'Poultry Capital' of the US,
                        and......

                        Pat


                        ~~~~~~

                        <snip
                        buffalo says
                        Cleopatra was married first to her older and then to her younger brother
                        and then played around with the Caesars and half of Egypt before getting
                        bit in the asp I mean by an asp. Has anyone had a urge to do any of that?.
                        or are we all in De Nile? hehheh
                        snip>

                        *spurt*

                        so I am a Kazillon weeks behing in my reading...
                        only 118 to go...

                        so sue me....

                        FruitLoop

                        ~~~~~~~

                        Dear Dave in Murphy
                        You DO realize how offensive the word Canuk is to most Canadiens, you world
                        travelin' sophisticated devil you? And who are YOU to apologize for the
                        rest of 'your fellow Americans'? Rude Dog, you. Heel!!!
                        ****************************************************************************
                        ***************************
                        I somehow missed whatever drew the above reply BUT let's get something
                        straight.
                        I am a Canadian (note spelling) born and living in Vancouver. I have never
                        met anyone who considered "Canuck" (note correct spelling) offensive:
                        especially fans of the "Vancouver Canucks"!

                        "Canuck" was born during WW 1.. .. Americans were "Doughboys" and we were
                        "Canucks"

                        Patrick

                        ~~~~~

                        Hi Buff,

                        In your scuttlebutt, there are so many comments on learning the language of
                        the country. While I agree with learning the most commonly used language of
                        a country, there is another language we ALL should learn. Sign language.
                        Statistics show that nearly 95% of people will have contact with a hearing
                        impaired person at some stage during their life. I personally think that
                        this is a very logical language to learn.

                        Rhonda

                        ~~~~~

                        i drive the speed limit too, personally i am a very responsible driver. i am
                        not saying all older people are bad drivers i know quite a few who drive
                        well. in fact, i retract my earlier statement; i think everyone from the
                        first time they get their license should take a re-test every five years to
                        make sure they still know the rules of the road. i did not mean to be rude
                        or
                        disrespectful in any way to any one, i also agree statistics are not in my
                        favor! so apologies if i offended anyone with my previous post.
                        -janna
                        ~~~~~

                        To Linda, Thank you for agreeing(?) with me, I haven't seen any comments
                        on
                        my remarks so I am not sure if people agree with me or not. And this is to
                        Inkster, would that be the Michigan city?If so have you ever bought candy
                        from Candy Carrousel on Michigan Ave.?It is the best!!!! And 1 last thing
                        that I have said before and is something to think about... please excuse any
                        spelling errorsbut I think....... Pat Buchanan, Al Sharpton, Jerry Falwell
                        and Louis Farahacon are all brothers and Jessy Jackson is their daddy!!!! It
                        makes sense huh? Thanks for listening (reading actually) Jnet in Mi

                        ~~~~~

                        To Janna

                        You are right that is a good topic starter. My two cents is I have to agree
                        with you. I'm not for the wholesale taking away of older peoples driving
                        privileges just because they have reached a certain age, but, I do support
                        that after age 65 or maybe even 70 they should once a year go in for a
                        vision test as well as a road test. I fully understand that older people
                        have to be able to get around and in most places the only way for them to do
                        that is by driving, but, as everyone ages the reflexes get slower the eye
                        site deteriorates and everyone reaches a point when it is just plain
                        dangerous to drive a car. 3 of my grandparents lived well into their 90's
                        and one is still alive and all of them drove a car well into their 80's, but
                        the time came when it was time for them to quit driving and they did. I do
                        not know about anyone else but I've had more than a few close calls with
                        older drivers on the highway. The ones that when you are trying to merge
                        into traffic slam on their brakes at the bottom of the on ramp or speed into
                        traffic only to slow down to 2.5 miles an hour in a 70mph zone. I saw an
                        old lady get absolutely creamed by a pickup truck just because she was going
                        way too slow for the flow of traffic. I read in the paper she was killed
                        instantly as well as was the driver of the pickup. I curious to hear
                        comments from everyone. Finally a side note...To all those that are happy
                        about the republicans taking control in Washington I've only got one thing
                        to say...Do you really think they are going to get anything done. It really
                        doesn't matter who has control of congress they still will not get anything
                        useful done.

                        MT


                        ~~~~

                        Hi Buff,

                        Haven't written in a while, but still love the lists.

                        To Carole about the Social Security Administration not knowing if a person
                        is alive. I do not work for the SSA, but stop and think about it. Not
                        everyone pays to SSA so they would not have a record of them. I have a
                        friend that spent 35 years in the Navy. He never paid into SSA. He now does
                        some odd jobs - for cash. No SSA.

                        Ted Kennedy has been in Congress forever. No SSA.

                        --------------------------------------------
                        A Sore Point

                        There have been many letters about lousy men and child support issues. The
                        shoe sometimes falls on the other foot! Many years ago I was assigned to a
                        project out of state for 6 months. I would fly home for a 3 day weekend once
                        a month. The project was ending and I planned on returning home on Saturday.
                        Informed wife of these plans. I finished Thursday evening. Thought I'd
                        surprise my wife of 13 years. Took a cab from the airport, stopped and got a
                        bottle of wine. Arrived home around 10:00 PM. To my surprise, there was my
                        wife and "Uncle Don" watching TV and our 2 kids were in bed. Uncle Don had
                        been a co-worker for 3 years. Kicked his happy ass out. My boss had him
                        fired.

                        Shortly after that (days), wife and kids were gone. I filed for divorce (she
                        was served a subpoena at work - pissed!). A month later I came home from
                        work and there were the kids. I went to court on the assigned date. Wife
                        didn't show up. Judge was upset. I received custody of the kids. Keep the
                        house until they were 18. She was not awarded any of my retirement, savings,
                        etc. The judge got around to child support. I told him that wasn't
                        necessary. I was making $38,000 plus overtime. She made $8,000. He was irate
                        because she didn't show up. He awarded me $100 a month child support. She
                        was given another writ at her work. Needless to say, she never paid a cent.
                        She saw the kids 3-4 times a year for about 4 years and then dropped them.

                        About 10 years later, I remarried and transferred to another state. About 3
                        months later I receive a nasty gram from her demanding her half of the house
                        sale. My lawyer had the house appraised at the time of the divorce and
                        subtracted what was owed at the time (that was in the court record). I'm
                        sure she was expecting around $20,000. Of her $10,000, I subtracted 15 years
                        of child support (plus the envelope and postage stamp). I wrote on the back
                        of the check "If endorsed, divorce case #....... is settled in full". I
                        still have the cancelled check.

                        Dick

                        ~~~~~~

                        For Brika,

                        I bet those wood spiders are kin to our Texas road spiders. Big, hairy,
                        black, fat ones who often get run over by cars. Yuck! My brotherm, btw, is a
                        champion road spider killer with his pickup.

                        For Don of Niagara Falls,

                        I have had "connections" and bonding oddities with my children for most of
                        their lives. As they grew and matured and moved on, however, some of these
                        lessened. I think the most moving one came when my oldest daughter died this
                        past June. I did not make it to the hospital in time, was enroute and nearly
                        there when I experienced such a warm, contented feeling of well-being I
                        thought God had answered my prayer and not taken her. For reasons I can't
                        explain, I looked at the dashboard clock to check the time. When I got to
                        the hospital and found that she had died at the exact time I had felt this,
                        I was overwhelmed. I think she was telling me it was ok. I wish I had time
                        and space to tell you of the many "incidents" we had as they were growing
                        up. The most interesting was "hearing" what I was thinking and insisting
                        that I had said it. This happened many, many times. Such a special thing
                        and not wierd at all in my opinion.

                        I also give you my praise and gratitude for being the father you are to your
                        son. Out world needs more kids raised by people like you, who don't give up
                        in the face of adversity, but go ahead and do the right thing. I could kiss
                        you for that boy's life.



                        UNCLE GEORGE: I have sent all your puns to my now grown son. He was so bad
                        at making up puns when he was a kid, we at times threatened him with bodily
                        harm! Secretly, we loved it!!



                        JANNA,

                        you are absolutely right about some older folk driving. Also about the
                        testing on a reagular basis. However, be nice and patient. Remember, one day
                        you will be old...if you are lucky. *S*

                        DEB, I wish all ex-wife moms had your wisdom and control. I did not try to
                        enlighten my kids about their dad, either. He did that very well on his own
                        as they grew older. Kids need to believe for as long as they can that Dad is
                        a nice person. The revelation comes all too soon.

                        BJ,

                        Did you hear the one about the older lady who was left at a table in a
                        restaurant by her daughter who when she came back was shocked that her
                        mother was flirting. Said to her mother, "I leave you alone for a few
                        minutes and already you are trolling for geezers". Was that you she trolled?
                        Or someone else?

                        And Finally,

                        For BNDERA JIM,

                        Ah challenges you to a cyber chili cookoff. Ah'll even let you name the
                        categories and the judgin' rules.

                        Thanks Buff. Got a little long winded, but these comments today were too
                        good to resist. I reckon I don't mind the politics so bad after reading the
                        criteria for being (D) or (R), but I wouldn't admit to my affiliation to
                        this bunch if you paid me. I'd suffer either way. I have a friend who
                        unashamedly admits to being a Yellow Dog Democrat. I tried to save him, but
                        I think he's too old!

                        Keep those chips and scuttlebutt coming Buff. You have a winner here. Some
                        really articulate and fine people are on your list.

                        MaryE from Texas

                        ~~~~~~~

                        Hi Buffalo

                        I read your request to limit comments to one email. I started this missive
                        this morning I only added to it once, so I only eliminated one email
                        today.

                        It is considered inhumane to keep pregnant pies tethered or in
                        cages which are too small for them to turn around in freely.

                        I agree, except for mince pies, which should be eliminated.

                        "In Ohio, some people went to the polls to reelect disgraced
                        Congressman James Traficant, even though he's currently in
                        prison. Actually, when you think about it, jail isn't much
                        different from Congress. Both of you serve a term, all
                        expenses are paid by taxpayers, and you're surrounded by
                        fellow crooks."
                        -Jay Leno

                        Jim Mc Quain

                        ~~~~

                        Janna, I hate getting caught on the road with some of the young whipper
                        snappers who think the yellow light a block down the street is an
                        invitation to run the rfd light comming up. Or that the 65 mph speed
                        limit is a suggested speed. When I get in the car I want to GO. My
                        mechanic who has kept my car in A-1 shape says he keeps a sharp eye on
                        the brakes as he knows when I get on the road I am moving on. I do not
                        drive after dark as my night vison is bad. I am a 74 year old office
                        manager of a local company, and do not see retiring in the near future.
                        I have been involved in two accidents in my life. One a young driver
                        pulled up to a stop sign, stopped, and then rammed me in the side. His
                        insurance company took care of that. The other one a doggone deer came
                        out of the woods and rammed me in the side. He didnt have insurance.
                        Only thing I have on my driving record in 58 years is 5 speeding
                        tickets. Been lucky there.
                        Old Speedy Grandma

                        ~~~~~


                        Hi Buff & the Herd,
                        To BanderaJim
                        Did you ever read the joke about the guy who test-tasted Texas chili at a
                        chili contest? Well, those recipes I don't want.LOL Beef or pork recipes
                        would be great but aren't they interchangeable? Not to hot though, I don't
                        like my food attacking me LOL Thanks Jim.

                        MaryE: Soon the 2002 election will fade from memory & the herd will find
                        another subject to toss around.

                        Don of Niagra Falls: 1942 was a very good year. I will be celebrating my
                        **th birthday on Dec 4th & I am definitely NOT a geezerette! Chubby maybe
                        but that's it.

                        Thanks again for all the flea info I am off to the store for 20 Mule Team
                        Borax, cedar chips & Advantage. barbjare nj


                        ~~~~

                        God Bless Sgt. John Wood

                        Mary Stewart

                        ~~~~~

                        To The Chili Lover's

                        Chili recipes.........A Zillion.......check out the alphabet at bottom of
                        page
                        http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gcaselton/chile/recp-c.html

                        also
                        http://fp.enter.net/~rburk/chili/chili.htm

                        Bring your own bucket of water to sit in :-)
                        ~Pogo

                        ~~~~~~~~

                        To those that still possess the ability to think,

                        Upon the arrest of the sniper suspects various media persons made
                        comment such as thank God the weapon is off the street. My thought was
                        thank God the Criminal(s) is off the street!
                        I as a Police boss and a highly decorated Officer never arrested nor
                        prosecuted a "weapon"! A weapon is only a tool. I did arrest and prosecute
                        untold Criminals during my career. Remove the Criminal and their use of
                        weapons becomes a zero.

                        James F. Stead
                        White Plains Police Captain (Ret)

                        ~~~~~~

                        To Ganny in response to Avonlea

                        AMEN and HALLELUAH!!!!!!!!

                        Charlillo

                        ~~~~~

                        Don...Niagara Falls
                        yes, i have had 2 visuals and 1 by phone....My hubby passed away Aug. 3rd of
                        this year.....It has been a blessing to me and welcome more of the same....
                        Linda

                        ~~~~~~~~

                        Hi Buffalo,
                        To Phil Erikson
                        The following sites have info on the .460 conversion kit.
                        J. Moore

                        http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt460r.htm
                        http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm


                        ~~~~~~~

                        Hi Buff,
                        I just have to put my two cents in regarding working mothers. I am
                        married for the second time to a man also on his second marriage. I was a
                        working mom out of necessity. His ex-wife was a stay at home mom. My
                        children are both working, paying their own way, never been in trouble of
                        any kind. His are both in prison. It's not whether you work outside the
                        home or not, it's how you raise your children and the examples you set that
                        matters. Rose

                        ~~~~~

                        Folks,
                        Thought you might like to hear about this:

                        Heard this on the radio this week,
                        (some Muslim country in the middle east
                        (did not hear the name) that has approximately 7 million people living there
                        that are foreigners and not Muslim would be deported if they were observed
                        eating or drinking during the day during the ramadam holy month.
                        Isn't that a wonderfully tolerant country and religion.
                        Marge

                        ~~~~~~


                        In response to Sgt. John Wood, first and foremost, let me thank you from the
                        bottom of my heart for what the sacrifice you are making for all of us.
                        Thank God there are still young men as you do. Not everyone in the U.S.
                        feels like the people you mentioned in your letter. There are still lots of
                        us, the silent majority, who thank God every day that we are fortunate
                        enough to live in this country and have what we so often take for granted.
                        Every night on the evening news we see pictures of other countries, such as
                        Afghanistan, where girls have just now gotten the right to get an education,
                        thanks to men like you. We see people in countries like Ethiopia where
                        people starve to death because there is not enough food to eat. Simple
                        things that we take for granted in this country, a roof over our heads,
                        freedom to worship in the way that we choose, freedom to express our
                        opinions, and yes, even to speak against our own country and its leaders.
                        It's just sad that so many of us take for granted what we have here. I say
                        to them, if you don't like this country and what we stand for, you have the
                        freedom to leave at any time. That is also one of the wonderful freedoms
                        that we have. We are not like Cuba, where people risk their lives to leave
                        their country.
                        Once again, THANK YOU! Rose

                        ~~~~~~~

                        This will stir the pot:

                        http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/business/columnists/edward_lotterma
                        n/4407602.htm

                        Mr. Lotterman proposes that the draft be re-instituted. Read his article and
                        think about it.

                        I have always been in favor of a universal draft. What's your opinions???
                        --
                        Don of Niagara Falls


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                          Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
                          ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
                          sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
                          useful info was spread )

                          Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
                          due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
                          profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
                          Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind





                          Hey Buff,

                          In regards to all the people complaining about senior drivers:
                          I am not by any means a senior, (only 36) but I still drive with my cruise
                          control set at exactly the speed limit at all times except when the road
                          and/or weather conditions prohibit this. Mind you I do not hog the left
                          lane, as I do not see a need to be there unless I'm passing a slower moving
                          vehicle (which is rare since most of them are doing 20 to 30 km/h faster
                          than the limit). My peeve though is all the ones who believe that because
                          they have a 4-wheel drive vehicle that they are invincible in inclement
                          weather, and can just go merrily on their way at whatever speed they choose
                          to put their foot in. I have lost track of the number of 4x4's that have
                          passed me in winter and ended up in the ditch only a couple kilometers
                          further on. I just cruise by in my old 2-wheel drive (non-ABS) pickup (on
                          summer tires) and wave and laugh at them. I have not had a winter driving
                          related accident in 20 years of driving, and have never had a traffic
                          violation ticket, not even so much as illegally parked.

                          farmboy
                          A legal Canadian driver

                          ~~~~
                          Hi Buff,
                          I don't feel insulted when someone refers to me as a Canuck.
                          I've been called much worse LOL. To many important issues to get riled up
                          about than being called a Canuck. Have a grrreat week ya'll.
                          Anne from Ontario

                          ~~~~~~~

                          I am a long time reader & love your e-zine.Also like the separate
                          scuttle-butt section. I received this today & thought it interesting enough
                          to forward it. I am not getting it yet & not really worried if I do .But I
                          do care about the blame game being fed to us. Look at the evolution of the
                          loss of secure funds for SS .
                          Paul Harman


                          Since many of us are now receiving a Social Security check every month -
                          and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we put
                          away,you may be interested in the following:

                          Q: Which party took Social Security from an independent fund and put it
                          in the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
                          A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic-controlled House and Senate.

                          Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
                          A: The Democratic party

                          Q: Which party increased the tax on Social Security?
                          A: The Democratic Party with Al Gore casting the deciding vote.

                          Q: Which party decided to give money to immigrants?
                          A: That's right immigrants moved into this country at 65 and got SSI Social
                          Security. The
                          Democratic Party gave that to them although they never paid a dime into
                          it.

                          Then, after doing all this, the Democrats turn around and tell you the
                          Republicans want to take your Social Security.

                          > Pass it on please!
                          ~~~~~

                          Buffalo

                          This is in regards to one of the advertisements in your last scuttlebutt.

                          I'll refrain from sending the entire ad, but here's the header;

                          >>> Get Totally FREE Condoms on the Internet! <<<

                          I mean, come on, I'm in no need of Viagra if you know what I mean, but even
                          I don't need "hundreds" of condoms shipped to my doorstep.

                          Or are you really a rabbit in buffalo hide????? Hmmmmmmmm....



                          Raymond S. Bowen

                          Tiggers are tigers too.

                          buffalo says shhhh do you want everyone to know what that large
                          crate in the plain brown wrapper that I had to have a forklift unload
                          was??

                          ~~~~~~
                          In response to the animal rights activist Anna Calhoun, A sow will feel more
                          secure in a small pen because she knows that a male pig will sometimes kill
                          small pigs. A farrowing pen also has small spaces on both sides that the
                          baby pigs can get into to get away from their mother when she starts to lay
                          down, otherwise they will be crushed. I heard the real reason this was on
                          the ballot is that there are only two big pig farms in FL. and the real
                          estate developers want them gone so that they can develop the land. Jim

                          ~~~~~~

                          Buffalo: Every American knew what you meant, when you said "Koala
                          Bear". Don't mind the Aussie's squawks. After all, they actually think
                          that Foster's is Beer.----Bob in Everett

                          buffalo says I didn't know they were Marsupials.. I didn't even know they
                          were extraterrestrial.

                          ~~~~~~~~

                          To David: For what you have done, as one of our Violent ones, you
                          have my everlasting thanks. Now, to answer your question, as to who
                          would do the same, for you. I know many who would and include myself,
                          in that. Happy Veteran's Day, to all that have served our Nation.
                          --------Bob, in Everett, Wash. (A Korean War Vet.)

                          ~~~~~~~~

                          Too bad that we cannot or will not take the time to actually look at what
                          we are seeing. All too many times i hear about the "older drivers",well its
                          about time that the so called younger drivers look at themselves...Just
                          yesterday as the wife and I were exiting a well known discount house,the
                          traffic was naturally heavy, as I made my way to the cross street I was
                          "almost rammed by a younger driver" this person saw me and literally forced
                          his way into my lane. If I had not been respectfull of my vehicle and
                          continued in my lane..By the way this person was attempting a right turn
                          into my lane. and using his idiotic attitude we would have had a collision,
                          not only did he act the ass he also had the audacity to flip me off..
                          Thankfully he was not in L.A. or any other city that you can get your ass
                          shot off for less..So lets not throw stones cause they may fall on us
                          also...But I hate it when you get into a passing lane and the car will not
                          pass or get out of the way so you can pass and get out of the way of the
                          guy behind you......
                          arichpsr
                          Have a great day

                          ~~~~~~

                          A Day of Honor and Reflection
                          by Cory Wilson



                          November 11th is a day to reflect on the sacrifices of those men and women
                          who have answered the call to duty in defense of our great nation. They were
                          ordinary Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen and Coast Guardsmen who became
                          extraordinary heroes. Veterans Day is a time to honor the memory of those
                          who have paid the ultimate price for our nation, but it also a day to
                          celebrate the liberties they paid so dearly to secure and defend. As our
                          country continues its campaign against terrorism and braces for a conflict
                          with Iraq, it is important to also recognize today's fighting force - the
                          veterans of tomorrow - who continue our nation's proud military traditions.

                          Since the attacks of September 11th, our armed forces have mobilized to
                          every corner of the world in defense of not only the physical security of
                          our country, but the foundations of liberty and democracy upon which this
                          nation is built. They are being protected by real mean and women, like
                          Marine Lance Corporal Antonio "Tony" Sledd. Tony and his twin brother
                          Michael graduated from high school in 2000, and both joined the Marine Corps
                          shortly thereafter. On Tuesday, October 9, 2002, Sledd was participating in
                          a training exercise with the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit on an island
                          located 10 miles east of Kuwait City. Two gunmen drove up in a small truck
                          and fired upon Sledd and his fellow Marines. Although our Marines
                          neutralized the gunmen, Tony was fatally wounded during the attack.

                          About a week before his death, Tony sent an e-mail to his mother, reminding
                          her to, "Tell everybody I love them and we are doing our best to protect y'
                          all's country." We ask that you please remember all veterans - past, present
                          and future - who have "protected y'all's country" and allow all Americans to
                          follow their dreams without fear.

                          Since the birth of our nation, men and women in uniform, men like Tony
                          Sledd, have answered the call to arms. Whether they served in World War I,
                          World War II, Korea, Vietnam, or the Gulf War, veterans are of a common
                          mold. They embody a spirit of selfless purpose - enduring danger and
                          adversity for the greater good. Veteran's Day should serve as a reminder to
                          all of us that we have an obligation to keep that spirit alive in our
                          hearts. We owe it to our veterans, and to ourselves, to celebrate the
                          foundations they built, and continue to reinforce, for our future as a
                          republic.

                          West Pac

                          ~~~~~~

                          Hi Buffalo.
                          I Love your Buffalos Chips so much, that Iam recieving 2 of the same,
                          OF: Buffalos Chips Have You Heard The Scuttlebutt For today?
                          Could you please fix them and send me just one copy and not two.
                          Thank you.
                          And Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
                          Crazy White Eagle.

                          Buffalo says if you receive the clean and adult lists you will probably
                          receive two scuttlebutts. Another possibility is a hiccup at egroups
                          or your ISP when I dump 5 gigs of email on their system at the same
                          time. Thanks ahead of time for letting me use your letter to illustrate that
                          point and a Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

                          ~~~~~

                          Dear I-M-Scared 2,

                          I'm sorry for the delay. I put serious effort into a response Friday night
                          only to have the 'puter lock up. Got up sick yesterday. Maybe I'm not
                          supposed to respond -- LOL?

                          It won't matter if you and I never agree. The president has his
                          Congressional authority for war. I believe that no matter how Hussein
                          responds to the UN resolution, GWB will still declare war. Period. He and
                          his oil-rich friends have a plan and I just don't believe it's all about
                          getting rid of the bio/chems that were supplied to Iraq by the Reagan-Bush
                          admin. The Bush family's "old" money didn't come from Texas oil: a lot of
                          it came from wars. Their history is absolutely startling! Again:
                          http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
                          Just read the one-page Introduction and the chapter titles. If you question
                          what you see, surf the 'net. It's all there (and more) in many places, not
                          just in that book.

                          Why don't more people question why most of the countries that joined us the
                          first time have decided to pass on the coming attack? Maybe they don't
                          believe the cause is just? Hussein always becomes an immediate danger when
                          there's a Bush in the Whitehouse. The rhetoric is always deafening.
                          It seems to be about A New World Order (a Skull & Bones password phrase).

                          While feeling punk on Saturday, I watched CNN (1:00 - 1:30 PM EST).
                          They nailed it! They showed a drawing of the administration's image of
                          modern equipment in Iraq "after the war": First, there will be a democratic
                          government. Chunks of Iraqi land will be entitled to ours and Britain's
                          major oil companies. They even elaborated by saying that only the biggest
                          oil companies will be financially able to set up there and that
                          investigation will be needed to determine exactly how many of the oil wells
                          are in good condition and not damaged by existing equipment -- and that all
                          this will take time. That's the "democracy" that's tentatively planned for
                          Iraq. Looks like cheap labor there and high prices at a pump near you. And
                          Iraq's and their neighbors will look the other way? Maybe not. As somebody
                          said the other day, "North Korea's WOMD are not an immediate problem --
                          unless they discover oil (LOL)."

                          Just for the record, we, too, have a son in the army: Joined in 1990
                          at 18 and graduated from boot camp the Monday morning following
                          the start of the bombing in Iraq. He now has 4 yrs. active incl. Airborne
                          Ranger status + 8 yrs. reserves and ROTC. He put himself through
                          college on the GI bill plus countless miscellaneous jobs, and is now a 1st
                          Lieutenant. He's 30, married, has a toddler and another on the way. If
                          he's called, he'll go assuming it's all for a good cause. He's the reason I
                          searched the 'net hoping to gain confidence for myself in our leadership. I
                          was better off before I did that.

                          I-M-SCARED

                          ~~~~~~~~

                          Egad MaryE!
                          Re: Texas road spiders. I'll have to ask my friend in Nocona if they have
                          them there. When I was a student at UC Santa Cruz there were these BIG
                          black spiders you'd see at night on the roads. I was told they were
                          tarantulas. There were also something Banana Slugs, big things too, and
                          you'd see them on the roads at night. They were huge. Before I went to
                          UCSC there'd been plague being carried by the local varmints and the
                          varmints had to be eliminated. So we never saw any rabbits or squirrels,
                          but there was a boatload of skunks. You'd see them in the evenings in
                          groups nibbling in the grass (for grubs I guess), or if you came back to
                          your dorm late at night they'd be eating off the cafeteria food trays
                          left outside the door. They pretty much ignored us humans. Not like a
                          couple years ago where I was living and had skunks coming in the yard. (I
                          have dogs and didn't want skunks so close to the house.) Well, I was
                          walking down to the mailbox one afternoon and seen a skunk meandering
                          his/her way up the drive toward the house. Got a bucket of rocks and
                          walked right up to about 6 feet from that skunk. I started throwing rocks
                          at it. Couldn't bring myself to actually hit it-- I'm nuts about
                          animals....Did you ever watch Pepe Le Pew? Dang thing put it's tail up,
                          hopping with all four feet together, lips drawn back to show it's teeth
                          and came right at me!! I had no idea they were that aggressive, lol. I
                          retreated. Have to say the skunk won. Where I live now there is something
                          living out back in the swamp. I think it is a Fisher. Every time someone
                          new moves into the neighborhood they lose their cat. I have a number to
                          call for someone who is an expert in Fishers and will come trap them.
                          But, I have a big problem with grey squirrels getting in my walls to nest
                          and Fishers climb trees and kill squirrels and we have been seeing less
                          squirrels lately. I'd have the Fisher(s) relocated for the sake of the
                          cats if someone out there could help me keep the squirrels out of my
                          house.
                          Brika

                          Don of Niagara Falls

                          I have had some special connection experiences but I have run kinda long
                          today. It's a neat topic though.
                          Brika

                          I forget who suggested "the thing I hate..." but I have a few of those to
                          add another day!

                          ~~~~~~

                          Hi Buffalo,
                          Ok, still responding in one email so here goes.

                          To BanderaJim, sounds like good chili. I wholeheartedly agree with your
                          comment regarding beans. If I'm not mistaken, beans will get your butt
                          thrown out of Terlingua! Also agree with the recommendation of venison, deer
                          chili is great!

                          To Anna Calhoun, good to see someone that interested in politics at your
                          age, keep it up. I agree with you (for the most part) on your position on
                          the treatment of animals. Seem to remember something in Genesis about that.
                          But, I think that animals were put here for our use, and that includes
                          meals. I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat plants.

                          Don of Niagara Falls.......Vodka and tonic while you type? I like you
                          more every day! Universal draft......well, lets see here. I came up after
                          the draft was stopped, and volunteered on my 17th birthday. I think our all
                          volunteer military has done fairly well over the last 25+ years. On the
                          other hand, I think service to your country benefits both parties. The
                          country benefits from an ever replenishing pool of manpower. And the
                          individual benefits from the maturity gained from the experience. I would
                          propose Universal Service, not necessarily military. Give them a choice,
                          military, forest service, etc. Maybe even reactivate the CCC or WPA (yes,
                          I'm still a republican, but some of these projects had positive effects with
                          good "bang for your buck") As for education deferment, work on your "off
                          time", i.e. summer vacation, holidays, etc. or do your time after
                          graduation. Also, give incentives, help with continuing education; bonuses
                          for staying in school, making higher grades; even job placement assistance
                          after service. Lots of possibilities!

                          Jay
                          Lubbock, Tx

                          ~~~~~~~

                          Marge,

                          Sorry to see that you've confused country, religion & CULTURE - easily done.
                          Well I also don't know which country this is (and it ain't the one I'm
                          living in!) - but;

                          - firstly, the month of ramadan is a period of observed fasting for firm
                          Muslims, and if the vast majority of a population want to observe a
                          particular (religious - or other) custom then it ain't so nice to thumb your
                          nose at this.
                          - if you wander into a church singing obscene college songs (even outside of
                          prayer times) you'd probably cause offence - maybe even get kicked out?
                          - I believe naked women don't sunbathe in the grounds of a monastery - maybe
                          just maybe this could cause some offence?
                          - etc. etc.

                          Yes I think deportation is a pretty severe 'punishment' (shame you didn't
                          hear which country - do you believe everything you hear on the radio??) but
                          it sound like media-hype to me. Here in Turkey I don't eat/drink/smoke 'on
                          the street' (daytime) during Ramadan but office/home/restaurants are fine...
                          not just me but for anyone, including non-fasting Muslims.

                          Maybe you need to experience a different culture to understand it. To judge
                          it? To condemn it?

                          - Stuart James / Istanbul, Turkey (since '94)

                          > Heard this on the radio this week,
                          > (some Muslim country in the middle east
                          > (did not hear the name) that has approximately 7 million people living
                          there
                          > that are foreigners and not Muslim would be deported if they were observed
                          > eating or drinking during the day during the ramadam holy month.
                          > Isn't that a wonderfully tolerant country and religion.

                          ~~~~~

                          I am in favor of mandatory military service of at least two years.
                          First it would get kids in line, no attitude and no drugs. Second it
                          would increase the respect for their freedom. Here's a quote from
                          Rush's song, Something for Nothing:

                          You don't get something for nothing
                          You can't have freedom for free

                          Robert

                          ~~~~

                          Janna wrote:

                          > I drive the speed limit too.

                          In Michigan we have a word for people who drive the speed limit on our
                          freeways, statistic.

                          > I think everyone from the first time they get their license should
                          take a re-test every five
                          > years to make sure they still know the rules of the road.

                          That great except for some of the loony questions they ask. One of the
                          questions I got when I took the test in Washington state was along the
                          line of when do you turn on your headlights. The answer was something
                          like an hour before dusk. Then you have the test answer and the real
                          life answer. When merging on to a freeway what do you do? In Ohio they
                          tend to stop dead on the ramp. This could get you killed in Michigan as
                          the guy behind you is coming up at 70 plus.

                          Robert

                          ~~~~~~~

                          To Don, Robert, Pogo and David in Ga:
                          Thank you very much for your help with Outlook Express. I will try
                          your suggestions and hopefully get my email straightened out.
                          Maggie in PA

                          ~~~~~

                          I don't believe that the mexican drunk driver did not understand any english
                          or that he did wrong. What I was trying to get at that is that it isn't
                          right that people can get away with things because our justice system lets
                          them. It shouldn't matter that he either didn't understand or want to
                          understand- the law is the law. We too have implied consent in Iowa and I
                          don't know why it was not enforced.

                          Ruth

                          ~~~~~~

                          An Apology to Buffalo & The Herd

                          Oh, woe is me! Not coming from a family of career politicians, my first
                          reaction was the ABSURDITY of Social Security Administration personnel
                          not knowing if a person was living, but being able to tell me if the
                          person was deceased.

                          In my limited sphere of having only lived in San Francisco, Falls
                          Church, VA (just outside D,C,), and a jillion points in between,
                          participation in Social Security has been "just a given", a Fact of
                          Life. How narrow and unthinking of me!

                          p.s. - I'd still like a copy of the "Open Letter to Dr. Laura"

                          ~~~~~~~

                          Vintage Corsair aircraft owned and flown by a retired Marine
                          crashed at the end of Owens Field in Columbia SC about
                          1:35pm this afternoon..
                          You can check www.wistv.com and www.thestate.com for the
                          local coverage here in SC.
                          Our understanding is the Man killed was flying alongside his
                          grandson who was in a second vintage aircraft also owned by
                          the family..Both of these planes were here at Shaw AFB for
                          the open house a couple weeks ago..

                          Tom

                          ~~~~~



                          ME,TOO,GEORGE!! If you are a senior, you remember the old saying "Let
                          George Do it!" I am glad you are doing it, too.

                          Lane.


                          "I''M A SENIOR CITIZEN"

                          I'm the life of the party...even when it
                          lasts 'till 8pm.
                          I'm very good at opening childproof caps
                          with a hammer.
                          I'm usually interested in going home before
                          I get to where I'm going.
                          I'm good on a trip for at least an hour
                          without my aspirin, antacid...
                          I'm the first one to find the bathroom
                          wherever I go.
                          I'm awake many hours before my body
                          allows me to get up.
                          I'm smiling all the time because I can't
                          hear a word you're saying.
                          I'm very good at telling stories...over
                          and over and over and over.
                          I'm aware that other people's grand-
                          children are not as bright as mine.
                          I'm so cared for: long-term care, eye
                          care, private care, dental care.
                          I'm not grouchy, I just don't like traffic,
                          waiting, politicians...
                          I'm positive I did housework correctly
                          before the Internet.
                          I'm sure everything I can't find is
                          in a secure place.
                          I'm wrinkled, saggy and lumpy, and
                          that's just my left leg.
                          I'm having trouble remembering
                          simple words like...uh....
                          I'm now spending more time with
                          my pillows than with my mate.
                          I'm realizing that aging is not
                          for sissies.
                          I'm walking more (to the bathroom)
                          and enjoying it less.
                          I'm sure they are making adults much
                          younger these days.
                          I'm in the *initialstate of my golden
                          years: SS, CD's, IRA's, AARP.
                          I'm wondering if you're only as old as
                          you feel, how could I be alive at 50?
                          I'm anti-everything now: anti-fat, anti-
                          smoke, anti-noise, anti-inflammatory.
                          I'm supporting all movements now...by
                          eating bran, prunes & raisins.
                          I'm a walking storeroom of facts...I've
                          just lost the storeroom.............,,,
                          I''m a "Senior Citizen" and
                          I am having the time of
                          my life!!
                          (P.S. Money Can't Buy wisdom.)

                          George
                          ~~~~~~~~

                          I wonder why our kids think if we are over 65, we are somehow doing
                          something shocking if we flirt. They certain uptight after they had their
                          flings, sowed their oats, and finally settled down the way we hoped they
                          would do in the first place.


                          Lane

                          ~~~~

                          Question for Anna Calhoun

                          Who is affected by the pig amendment?
                          Ans. Exactly two farmers/hog raisers, both of whom are fixing to go out of
                          the business anyway. Putting this type of crap on the ballot as a
                          constitutional amendment is plain nuts. Has no one ever heard of passing a
                          law?

                          If this keeps up, the Florida constitution will get to be as messed up as
                          Louisiana's was. They fixed that by studying and rewriting it to the tune of
                          mega millions.

                          Bob S.

                          ~~~~~

                          Jim McQuain, you low down, pie maligning skunk!! Ah hereby challenge you to
                          a pie throwing, slicing, eating, duel for your maligning of mince pies!! You
                          should be drawn(bad likeness, of course)_ and quartered(maybe even dimed)
                          for that remark. Pregnant mince pies should be eliminated, indeed!! I guess
                          you pick the wings off flies and kick cats, too. I bet you even hate
                          chilluns.

                          Seriously, I love this subject.

                          Ain't none of you got the right recipe for chili. I'd share mine, but
                          secrets can't be shared. Sorry. I am enjoying the chili recipes. Does
                          anyone remember when Wick Fowler, back in the seventies, I believe,
                          challenged a New Jersey big mouth braggart to a chili cookoff in Terlingua.
                          The cookoff actually happened and a winner was declared, but I think someone
                          won by default because Wick and the NJ fellow were in an argument over beans
                          and tomatoes in chili. You can't make good chili with either one of them.

                          I can give you my recipe for Texas hush puppies, though, and gladly. You
                          need a great big onion, chopped, three, maybe four grains of corn meal and
                          lots of hot grease.

                          Scuttle butt is getting to be fun again. Thanks, y'all!!

                          Mary E in Texas

                          ~~~~~~


                          11/11/02 To all the Veterans: I wish to thank you for protecting our country
                          the great USA. For giving your time away from your families & putting your
                          lives on hold to keep us safe in time of peace & war. God bless you.
                          barbjare nj

                          ~~~~~~

                          Thank you for Edmund Fitzgerald
                          I know it happened this time of year and almost always forget it is the
                          10th...

                          Did you know that Nov. 10 is also the 60th Anniversary of Women enlisting in
                          the Canadian Navy?

                          ttfn
                          me
                          ~~~~~~~~~

                          To Anna Calhoun

                          First of all, the tethering of pregnant pies and allowing them to turn was
                          hilarious.

                          Secondly, I'm from Florida, and voted against the pig measure. Surely,
                          cruelty to animals should be outlawed, but it doesn't, DOESN'T belong in the
                          State Constitution! A Constitution should be the laws between a government
                          and the governed people. Sows have no place in it!
                          Can you imagine the U.S. Constitution including an amendment on the
                          tethering of pigs or donkeys? That's ridiculous, and it's just as ludicrous
                          to include it in Florida's Constitution.

                          Francine

                          ~~~~~~~

                          Don, I believe that you too were an RA (Regular Army) for those who aren't
                          familiar with the term. Means we volunteered rather than wait to be drafted.
                          I believe also that you were 17 when you enlisted as I was. I too think that
                          the Draft should be brought back although I doubt that we would get the
                          quality such as we have now.

                          Since we need cannon fodder for the impending war with Iraq, I don't see as
                          it is going to matter much as long as they know which end of the rifle to
                          point. Some of the young people that we see today though, it wouldn't make
                          much difference which end they used because either way they would be doing
                          our country a service.

                          Korea and Taiwan have a compulsory Military obligation and I have spoken to
                          Women in Korea that had to serve but that was many years ago.

                          One of the main reasons I enlisted was for the schooling and another was
                          that it was hard to get a decient job unless you had fulfilled your Military
                          obligation. 1962 I am speaking of.

                          I also have to say that the Military taught me some things that I didn't
                          learn in school or at home although by Step Father tried to teach them.

                          Have a good day up there in the "Snow Belt" I worked up there several years
                          ago.

                          Oldcat.

                          ~~~~~~~

                          OK! I have a real bitch! I HATE IT WHEN>>>>>
                          All year I go to a wonderful restaurant that has a non smoking and a smoking
                          section. I smoke (bad Pogo) and never have to wait most of the year for a
                          table. This place also has a beautiful wood burning fireplace about 20 feet
                          wide and so cozy. It is, of course in the smoking section so the smoke smell
                          doesn't offend non smokers.
                          All summer I see people screaming to get a far from the smokers as possible.
                          Of course that makes me feel like a piece of shit. Cold weather has arrived
                          and what a turn around. Now all these proper people who choke at the thought
                          of any form of smoke all summer now are happily seated in the smoking
                          section enjoying the fire place. For some reason this behavior pisses me no
                          end.
                          Surely there is a proverb or something that describes these healthy people.
                          Anyone got an answer????
                          Hugz to all
                          ~Pogo

                          ~~~~~~

                          To the lady who had the deer run into her car, think about deer
                          whistles. Walmart or the Dollar store or some closeout stores carry
                          them. Mounted on your vehicle they will alert the animals that you are
                          headed their way and they scram. PRONTO!
                          Regarding the flea issue, I cannot use the Borax or other powders in my
                          carpet, the dogs roll on it and clean themselves and will ingest it. I
                          free-feed dry dog food, so the garlic salt wouldn't be evenly
                          distributed. I use the Advantage, and it works great. But it does
                          cost...
                          For those who love their creatures and NOT the pests, nature does offer
                          a free remedy. Common tansy, or Tanacetum vulgare L. is considered a
                          weed, but is very useful as a flea repellent. The pic is at the site
                          included. Dried, the leaves can be included in bedding (IN the stuffing
                          part), or they can be sewn into a bandana "collar" as a natural flea
                          collar. It is found along roadsides and in abandoned areas (considerd a
                          noxious weed by the US AG society) I have seen it offered in the collar
                          form in pet magazines at a cost higher than the chemical collars. Free
                          is always great.

                          TC R

                          ~~~~~~

                          Short Commentaries:

                          Flea Busters works; Rx for Fleas (same thing) works.

                          My vet almost killed two of my Bride's cats with Advantage; overdosed due to
                          bad guess as to cat's weight.

                          Crazy old coot neighbor went down and bought little bait trays for fleas
                          (don't know what they are); ain't cotched too many fleas, but he's having a
                          helluva scorpion round-up (we have a LOT of them here). He's got the little
                          plastic trays (about 6" x 8")nailed to his wall, with 5 or 6 scorpions stuck
                          on each one. He showed the dead scorpions to his next door neighbors, &
                          they showed theirs to others, & now the local TrueValue can't keep enuff
                          flea trays in stock!

                          (Buff, the scorpion in the mouse trap pic I sent you is from the same crazy
                          old coot)
                          _____________

                          M.A.D.D. is doing some good; they have narrowly targeted something that they
                          can do something about, & it's working. (from an ex-DD)

                          D.A.R.E. is not working; I don't know why, but the folks trying to implement
                          will tell (their friends) that it isn't working.

                          ____________

                          Our Texas 'road spiders' are usually Tarantulas.

                          _____________

                          To Mary E.

                          Ah'm not shur it's rite to git in no contest wif no wimmin? Speshaly
                          cookin'!

                          whut part of the Republic of Texas are you from, so's I can judg the level
                          of ma oponant?

                          Seriously, Ma'am, I accept your challenge, but no categories & no rules; let
                          these fine Northrun Folks fix their own batches from the recipes & they can
                          decide the winner! If any of them survive!

                          _________

                          To barbjare nj:

                          Nope, beef & pork ain't interchangeable; they have to be seasoned
                          differently because of the amount of spices they will absorb. I was dumb
                          enough once to make chicken chili like I make venison chili; damned near
                          killed me! COME ON, ICE CREAM!

                          _________


                          A heartfelt thank you to James F. Stead
                          White Plains Police Captain (Ret) for his comment about the weapon is NOT
                          the guilty party.....

                          ________

                          To Don of Niagara Falls about the universal draft:

                          Yup, they ALL need to go; hardly any of my hired help shows up with any life
                          experience other than flippin' burgers & smokin' Arkansas Polio Weed.
                          (Mind you, now, I mean ALL!)
                          _________

                          To the ad about: Free Condoms on the Internet!
                          I don't need them anymore.......


                          BanderaJim

                          ~~~~~~~

                          i was in class the other day and we were asked to write what is seriously
                          bothering me. i live in rye, new york its about 45 minutes from NYC. my dad
                          was fired from his job last year because his boss hated him, and was forced
                          to work in boston. he is there 5 days a week and i see him on weekends. ive
                          learned to deal with it, at least hes not dead or sick or anything and i
                          still get to see him. so i shared this story in class. my asshole teacher
                          decided to voice his opinion, saying that a true dad would be home with his
                          family. i got very very VERY annoyed and said that he was supporting us so
                          we could still live. he countered with he would rather starve then be away
                          from his family. (my mom works too she is an audiologist, but she does not
                          make enought to support our family by herself. we unfortnately live in an
                          area that has decided to raise every possible tax ever and it costs over
                          10,000 for my brother and 10,000 for me to go to a public school) thats when
                          i walked out of class. my question, what are everyones thoughts on this
                          topic. make money so your family doesnt die and still see them on the
                          weekends, or stay home and be with your family as you slowly lose
                          everything.
                          -janna

                          ~~~~~~~~

                          Hi Buff,

                          I see an opportunity here to address two on-going topics in a single
                          missive. It concerns both the "flea" problem, and the "chili" recipe.

                          First you get thirty-five gallons of napalm, and four ounces of C4. Then
                          you...........

                          Dave in Murphy

                          ~~~~~~~~

                          To Bill in San Leandro Ca. who uses Flea Busters,
                          Unless Flea Busters has changed their formula recently, it is my
                          understanding that the main ingredient is Boric Acid which has the toxicity
                          of sea salt...very safe for mammals. My vet took pity on me and let me in
                          on the secret that boxed Borax Twenty Mule Team washing powder from the
                          grocery store is basically the same AND, it's a fraction of the cost that
                          Flea Busters charges. I've been using it as one would use Flea Busters for
                          six years and am happy with it and the combination of Advantage on the
                          dogs...I live with two dozen dogs in the South, so I think that's a good
                          gauge. Because my vet recommended this, I feel comfortable using it.
                          Just sprinkle the Twenty Mule Team all over your carpets/furniture/under
                          floor molding, rub in with a clean broom and a couple days later, vacuum
                          thoroughly. I do this three or four times a years since we really don't
                          have real winter weather in Louisiana.
                          To the nice lady who puts garlic salt in her dogs' food, are you sure it
                          isn't garlic powder you use? Too much sodium (salt) is bad for
                          dogs...garlic powder is most likely a better choice.
                          ~~~Mynx

                          ~~~~~~~

                          "buffalo says I want to blame the president for my spider bite and the over
                          ripe apple
                          in my lunch yesterday. There now he is responsible for everything and I
                          still agree
                          with the majority of the Americans that he is doing a Great Job under
                          pressures
                          that no other president has had to face in the past 25 years."

                          I still feel that these events were all set in motion before his election
                          and would have played out the same way regardless of who was President.

                          Kinda reminds you of the little kids tipping over the outhouse, then
                          pointing a finger at the one kid who showed up too late to run, the only one
                          who had no part in the tipping.
                          I am a reformed Democrat, pushed into the role of independent voter several
                          years ago, and now faced with the realization that I might as well declare
                          myself a Republican after looking over my choices this past election.
                          President Bush is doing just fine in the mess that was left him, better than
                          most would have done and as well as anybody could. Let the Democrats spew
                          the sour grapes till they get it out of their systems, then why not work
                          together through this coming crisis. We're gonna need to stand up like big
                          boys and girls, hitch up our drawers and pull together instead of a lot of
                          finger pointing and foot stomping tantrums. There will be plenty of our
                          enemies divisive tactics and "peace marches" sponsored by those who would
                          love nothing better than to see us torn apart by internal strife to keep a
                          wound open in our wonderful nation's spirit without silly juvenile bickering
                          helping their cause along.
                          Buck up, pick a side, and either help the cause of Right and Good by
                          working to rebuild what has been lost and shore up what we have left, or
                          openly declare yourself an enemy of the state and join those who wish to
                          destroy 226 years of progress leading to the best, wealthiest and most
                          compassionately giving nation in the history of the world.

                          Don C.

                          ~~~~~~~~
                          Hi there, I know that this has nothing to do with what has been previously
                          written, but I was wondering if any of the herd had an opinion on a mp3
                          player that doesn't skip or get hung up when on the net. I have tried
                          sonique, ashampoo, bolegio, the windows one, real player etc. Any thoughts?
                          I also like the scuttlebutt seperate and hope the butt bite gets better!
                          Cass
                          Laugh

                          ~~~~~~~~

                          Within the near future, (2 to 5 years) I predict that:

                          * Roe Vs. Wade will be reversed (Women's right to choose) There will be
                          other decisions made by what will become the newly appointed Supreme Court,
                          which will take away the rights of Women, Workers, and Children.
                          * National "Right to Work" legislation will make free bargaining obsolete.
                          (Collective Bargaining)
                          * Public Education as we have known it will cease to exist. In its place
                          will be an Educational system for the children of the upper crust, while the
                          lower 95% (financially) of America's Families will have to try to find a way
                          for their voucher to make Education available to their children, although
                          the cost of Education will be several thousand dollars more than their
                          meager vouchers.
                          * War will be being waged on our planet, with many of the battles being
                          fought right here on American soil.
                          * The tax cut that the President desires to make permanent will be the end
                          of our Federal Treasury. The war will cost between 200 and 300 BILLION
                          dollars, so any tax cut will take the rest of the monies. There just simply
                          won't be any money left.
                          * Except perhaps the meager amounts which are still in our present Social
                          Security accounts, and those monies will go shortly thereafter, as a matter
                          of national security.
                          * The wonderful potential will still not have been explored for alternative
                          energies, such as Solar and Wind power, because there just won't be enough
                          money left over after fighting all the wars over the oil that we wouldn't
                          need if we just developed the alternative energies in the first place. Talk
                          about your "catch 22" problems! WOW!
                          * Less support for the "Davis-Bacon" act, which is ultimately intended to
                          protect local economies, but the Republican agenda will be partially to
                          destroy those protections, because they also protect Working People and
                          their Families. (Protection of Working People and their Families would
                          indeed be devastingly frightening to most Republicans.) Eventually, we will
                          probably see an environment where there are NO protections for the local
                          workforce anywhere you go.

                          There will be more, more, more problems. Count on it.

                          On the bright side, perhaps the control of America by Republicans will
                          create so much chaos that the American People might actually wake up and
                          vote the bums out!

                          ED KNOX

                          ~~~~~~

                          Dear Buffalo

                          From 1950 to 1953 I served with SCAP (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers)
                          FECOM (Far East Command) GHQ (General Headquarters) which is militarese for
                          MacArthur's HQ and later Matthew Ridgeway's. Their was a directive in
                          effect that saluting was not required on Tokyo's Ginza (sort of Tokyo's
                          Madison Avenue and Broadway combined). One Saturday afternoon my buddy, a
                          SSGT, and I, a PFC, were strolling down the Ginza when I noticed a Brigadier
                          General with his arm around a beautiful, young Japanese girl (musume, a
                          Japanese term for girl that GIs rendered as moose, as in, oos moose, I'm on
                          the loose and I'm gonna burn up this Tokyo town) approaching. When the
                          general got close enough I automatically threw him a salute, which he
                          returned, automatically. Then the general, realizing my buddy had not
                          saluted, stopped and yelled, "Sergeant, come here. How is it that you, a
                          non-commissioned officer, didn't salute when this PFC did?" My friend
                          explained the directive and the general said, "Oh, OK."

                          By the way, I would like to point out that during the Korean War I was over
                          both MacArthur and Ridgeway. My office was on the 7th floor of the Dai Ichi
                          building and their's was on the 6th floor. Ha, ha.

                          Bear with me for one more saluting incident. At lunch-time enlisted
                          personnel had to walk from the Dai Ichi building to the NYK (Nihon Yusen
                          Kaisha) building where we were billeted and enjoyed the best mess hall in
                          the Far East per Trader Vic who visited numerous mess halls in the Pacific
                          area in 1952, and declared our's the best. One noon-time a group of us were
                          approaching the corner to turn and access the entrance to our building when
                          we spotted a 2LT. All of us snapped a salute. The poor lieutenant returned
                          our salute and in so doing snagged his shoulder on the mirror of a bus
                          parked at the curb and landed on his butt in the gutter. It was all any of
                          us could do to keep from guffawing outloud. In fact we did. Once we were
                          safely around the corner.

                          Jim Mc Quain

                          ~~~~~~~

                          First off, I would like to thank everyone who submitted their information to
                          be included in "Veterans Around the Country" in the November edition of our
                          school paper. The Veteran's Day section was 12 pages long and included this,
                          "Veterans Around the Community", those in our schools who have served, an
                          essay contest, several things that I have found online including "A Common
                          Soldier" and "What is a Veteran?", essays written by members of the
                          newspaper staff on World War II, Korea, and Vietnam to give a little more
                          information while encouraging readers to research more themselves, etc. I
                          have heard a lot of good things about it and I am proud that I could do
                          something to show my appreciation although that was only a small gesture.

                          Friday, my school had a Veteran's Day assembly sponsored by the Student
                          Government Association. Although I am not a member, it seems that I am
                          becoming the school photographer. I had planned to take pictures anyway and
                          was glad when I was asked to by the sponsor of the SGA. It was a great
                          program with a couple of really good speakers. Afterwards, a reception was
                          held for the veterans that attended in the school library. I was there to
                          take more pictures and I was introduced to a few of them and had a chance to
                          speak with them for a minute. I gave a large card to the commander of the
                          local American Legion signed by the entire newspaper staff, our sponsor, and
                          principals. I also handed out copies of our Veteran's Day paper to everyone
                          who was there. Another small gesture, I know, but it made me feel good. The
                          SGA sponsor plans to give a framed collage to the key note speaker, I
                          believe, and told me that I could give the pictures to the person who made
                          it last year but I said that I would like to do it myself.

                          What I have to say to all of the veterans on your list: THANK YOU, WELCOME
                          HOME, AND HAPPY VETERAN'S DAY.


                          Anna Calhoun

                          ~~~~~~~

                          Taps

                          (For my dad, a tail gunner in a B-24, for my Step-father who is
                          veteran of Guadacanal. Their names are Bob Cassady and
                          Mel Hull. May we remember all the Bobs and Mels of the
                          Navy, Marine, Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Firemen, Police,
                          Merchant Marine and others that contribute to our freedom)


                          Taps are played for those brave men
                          Who never know what futures may have been.

                          They fought and died for the flag that is true.
                          For freedom. freedom for me and for you.

                          They marched though battles grim and bad.
                          Grit is what these men of honor had.

                          They fought, they died. For what you ask?
                          They would say for her, for ma, and pa. That was our task.

                          So when taps plays on any day.
                          Take a minute to remember these men and then pray.

                          Think about the soldiers when we look at our flag and be not sad.
                          Red is for the blood shed for our land, our future, for this be glad.

                          Blue is for the honor with which they carried out their task.
                          Remember to carry honor with you while in freedom you bask.

                          White is for the purity, the innocence of the young men.
                          Thank God for these men. Remember them when you pray and say amen.

                          When at night you put your children to bed,
                          Tell them of the heroes that continued their journey, not dead.

                          With God they reside in the heavens that is best.
                          For they survived the ultimate test.

                          Play taps at night for the men who have marched on,
                          that we may have peace because of the battles they won.

                          B.J. Cassady
                          Copyright ©2001 B.J. Cassady


                          "Medals"
                          Dedicated to all those whose service has made us free

                          "Mommy can I pin the medal on grandpa's uniform today?" I asked.
                          "No dear this is not the time nor the place." she responded.
                          My young years did not make me understand.
                          I went to my father and said, "Daddy can I pin the medals on grandpa's
                          uniform today?
                          My father looked at me for a long time, as if pondering the weight of
                          the
                          universe and replied, "Yes, you can. But first do you know what the
                          medals means?" He queried.
                          "I guess it means he served in World War Two and did brave stuff."
                          I responed.
                          "Let's sit down and I will tell you a story before we go see your
                          grandpa.

                          During the battle of Okinawa he personally attacked a machine gun nest
                          and saved the lives of his company. Then during Truk Island he carried off
                          his wounded commanding officer, during the heat of battle, saving his life."
                          "During the retaking of some of the other Islands he carried ammo to
                          men that were almost out. During the battle he was wounded and yet still
                          fought because he felt he made a difference."
                          "Well he received two bronze stars, a silver star, purple heart and the
                          medal of honor, presented by president Truman himself.
                          Your grandpa being shy, kept the honors quiet and keep the ribbons
                          and awards in a drawer to be worn only during special ceremonies."
                          "Now do you understand about your grandpa?" my father asked.
                          I was in awe of my grandfather. He always treated me so gentle and
                          with all the love in the world. He told me once he treated me so because
                          of all the anger, evil and hurt he had seen.
                          "Love" He said, balances out all the bad in the world."
                          "Yes. I understand." as I looked at my father.
                          "Then lets go and you can put the medals on his uniform." stated dad.
                          We drove for about 15 minutes, the medals weighing heavy in my lap.
                          I tried to think about what it must have been like for my grandpa, but I
                          couldn't imagine how it must have been.
                          We pulled into the driveway where grandpa was and entered the
                          building. I walked up to the casket where grandpa was dressed in his
                          army uniform and I pinned his country's pride upon my grandpa's uniform.
                          "Thanks grandpa, thanks. Thanks for your sacrifice and my freedom."
                          I tearfully gave him a boy scout salute then waited for the service.

                          B.J. Cassady
                          Guthrie, Oklahoma


                          Charley

                          My stepfather and I went to a fast food place for
                          supper Saturday. He stayed in the car.
                          The guy sitting next to me was obviously a bit tipsy.
                          We entered into a conversation.
                          His name is Charley and an ex-Marine who fought in
                          Korea. One thing about Charley, he had the bluest
                          eyes I have ever seen. Mine are blue but his are sky-
                          blue.
                          Charley was one of 105 survivors out of 600 marines
                          that fought their way to the 38th parallel. The thing
                          that stays with him is not the women and children/and
                          soldiers he killed, but the rats. He lived in caves
                          because the ground was frozen. He built a small fire
                          at the opening of the cave to keep the rats out, but
                          they jumped over the fire. He killed them with a
                          bayonet. He said the rats were as large as alley cats
                          and you could hear their teeth chatter. Charley
                          stepped on a land mine and was blown about 40 feet
                          into the air, he lost 1/2 of his stomach and almost
                          lost his right leg.
                          The resturant treated him well because he stopped
                          three men from robbing the place once by pulling his
                          own pistol out and told them to leave or he would kill
                          them. They left.
                          I wish I had more time to visit with Charley. If one
                          wonders about the cost of freedom, go find the
                          Charleys of the USA.

                          B.J. Cassady
                          Guthrie, Oklahoma (2002)


                          ~~~~~~~~



                          You can't tell a vet just by looking:

                          He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in Saudi Arabia sweating 2
                          gallons a day making sure the armored personnel carrier didn't run out of
                          fuel.


                          He is the barroom loudmouth whose behavior is outweighed in the cosmic
                          scales by four hours of unparalleled bravery near the 38th Parallel in
                          Korea.
                          She is the nurse who fought against futility in Da Nang and went to sleep
                          sobbing every night for two solid years.



                          He is the POW who left one person and came back another.
                          He is the drill instructor who has never been in combat but has saved
                          countless lives by turning no-accounts into Marines.

                          He is the parade-riding legionnaire who pins on his ribbons and medals with
                          a prosthetic hand.
                          He is the white-haired guy bagging groceries at the supermarket,
                          aggravatingly slow, who helped liberate a Nazi death camp.

                          A vet is an ordinary and extraordinary human being --- someone who offered
                          his life's vital years in the service of his country.

                          He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the darkness, and nothing
                          more than the finest, greatest testimony on behalf of the finest, greatest
                          nation ever known. We will never be able to repay the debt of gratitude we
                          owe.

                          ~Author Unknown~


                          It is the soldier, not the reporter,
                          Who has given us freedom of the press.
                          It is the soldier, not the poet,
                          Who has given us freedom of speech.

                          It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
                          Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
                          It is the soldier who salutes the flag,
                          Who serves beneath the flag,
                          And whose coffin does the flag drape,
                          Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

                          ~"Veterans Day" by Father Denis Edward O'Brien, USMC~

                          PLEASE REMEMBER OUR VETERANS
                          NOT ONLY ON VETERANS DAY,
                          BUT ALSO ALL THROUGH THE YEAR.

                          Poem & essay submitted by Harry Updegraff, Jr.

                          Rose and Big Roger

                          ~~~~~

                          Buffalo, Here's a site, thas's well worth your time to check out!
                          http://www.ishaah.com/Heros.htm
                          ENJOY THE CHIPS!!
                          David
                          Marshall, Mi.

                          ~~~~~~~

                          Few Americans would deny we owe our veterans a deep debt of
                          gratitude.

                          It is because of their willingness to serve - both in peace and in
                          war time - that the United States remains a free and powerful nation.

                          But just who are these veterans? You know many of them. They are
                          your neighbors, the business owners in your town, the young man who
                          repairs your car and the mother at the playground with her children.


                          The United States has 26.4 million civilian military veterans, a ratio of
                          about 1-in-8 U.S. civilians 18 and older, or 13 percent.

                          Six percent of civilian veterans are women.

                          Thirty-seven percent of veterans are age 65 or older.

                          Ethnically, 2.6 million veterans are African-American; about 22.6 million
                          are white; 1.1 million are Hispanic; 284,000 are Asian; and 196,000,
                          American Indian or Alaska Native.
                          (The numbers for African Americans, Whites, Asians and American
                          Indians or Alaska Natives refer to those reporting a single race only.)

                          Nearly 6 million, or a ratio of more than 1-in-5, served in World War II.

                          About 4 million, or nearly 1-in-6, served in the Korean War.

                          More than 8 million, or almost 1-in-3, served during the Vietnam era.

                          About 3 million, or about 1-in-9, served since August 1990, and that
                          includes Persian Gulf War veterans. (Data from the U.S. Department
                          of Veterans Affairs indicates that, as of 1999, there were 2.2 million
                          Gulf War veterans.)

                          Where do they live? Seven states list more than 1 million veterans
                          each. These include California (2.6 million), Florida (1.9 million), Texas
                          (1.8 million), New York (1.4 million), Pennsylvania (1.3 million), Ohio
                          (1.1 million) and Illinois (1.0 million).

                          In fiscal year 2000, benefits to veterans with service-connected
                          disabilities totaled $15.5 billion.

                          No matter when they served, where they served or how they served,
                          they have helped preserve our country and our freedoms.

                          Hug a vet today, and say thanks.

                          West Pac

                          ~~~~~~~


                          TENNESSEE FIREARMS ASSOCIATION, INC.
                          LEGISLATIVE ACTION COMMITTEE

                          He was getting old and paunchy
                          And his hair was falling fast,
                          And he sat around the Legion,
                          Telling stories of the past.

                          Of a war that he once fought in
                          And the deeds that he had done,
                          In his exploits with his buddies;
                          They were heroes, every one.
                          And 'tho sometimes to his neighbors
                          His tales became a joke,
                          All his buddies listened quietly
                          For they knew where of he spoke.

                          But we'll hear his tales no longer,
                          For ol' Bob has passed away,
                          And the world's a little poorer
                          For a Soldier died today.

                          He won't be mourned by many,
                          Just his children and his wife.
                          For he lived an ordinary,
                          Very quiet sort of life.

                          He held a job and raised a family,
                          Going quietly on his way;
                          And the world won't note his passing,
                          'Tho a Soldier died today.

                          When politicians leave this earth,
                          Their bodies lie in state,
                          While thousands note their passing,
                          And proclaim that they were great.

                          Papers tell of their life stories
                          From the time that they were young
                          But the passing of a Soldier
                          Goes unnoticed, and unsung.

                          Is the greatest contribution
                          To the welfare of our land,
                          Some jerk who breaks his promise
                          And cons his fellow man?

                          Or the ordinary fellow
                          Who in times of war and strife,
                          Goes off to serve his country
                          And offers up his life?

                          The politician's stipend
                          And the style in which he lives,
                          Are often disproportionate,
                          To the service that he gives.

                          While the ordinary Soldier,
                          Who offered up his all,
                          Is paid off with a medal
                          And perhaps a pension, small.

                          It's so easy to forget them,
                          For it is so many times
                          That our Bobs and Jims and Johnnys,
                          Went to battle, but we know,

                          It is not the politicians
                          With their compromise and ploys,
                          Who won for us the freedom
                          That our country now enjoys.

                          Should you find yourself in danger,
                          With your enemies at hand,
                          Would you really want some cop-out,
                          With his ever waffling stand?

                          Or would you want a Soldier--
                          His home, his country, his kin,
                          Just a common Soldier,
                          Who would fight until the end.

                          He was just a common Soldier,
                          And his ranks are growing thin,
                          But his presence should remind us
                          We may need his like again.

                          For when countries are in conflict,
                          We find the Soldier's part
                          Is to clean up all the troubles
                          That the politicians start.

                          If we cannot do him honor
                          While he's here to hear the praise,
                          Then at least let's give him homage
                          At the ending of his days.

                          Perhaps just a simply headline
                          In the paper that might say:


                          "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING,
                          A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."

                          John Harris Exec. Dir - TFA

                          http://www.tennesseefirearms.com

                          Bill Mitchell

                          ~~~~~~~

                          G'day Buff, last week sometime I read of a Canadian stating that Canada was
                          the only free country standing beside America in times of trouble. Initially
                          I dismissed that as nonsense and sent that issue to the recycle bin.
                          Unfortunately I emptied the bin as well. But all this week it has been
                          niggling at my mind. Now, unless I am wrong I believe Australia is part of
                          the free world. At least that is what I tell my children. So, let's start
                          from now and go back a bit.
                          Australians were killed in Bali, where a terrorist bomb exploded in an
                          attempt to kill Americans from all accounts. We Aussies took that as an
                          attack on us for being there, as always, for America.
                          When the Twin Towers were attacked, Australians were killed there. Also
                          Australians were there to rescue those trapped in the building on the day as
                          well. An Australian fire fighter even invited some of the New York firemen
                          to come here for a holiday after the event, at his expense in showing them
                          the sights here.
                          During your last summer, there had been some terrible fires burning on the
                          West coast of USA. After 2 months of not being able to contain those fires,
                          50 firefighters from Australia came over there to help. I never heard any
                          more mention of fires on the news here after that. Where as at the moment we
                          have over 70 bush fire burning in New South Wales at the moment. Been
                          burning for over a month now, but we shall put them out alone.
                          We are still there in Afghanistan helping out. Our guys even saved American
                          lives there.
                          We were there beside Americans in Vietnam, (all the way with LBJ was the
                          slogan used at that time.) and Korea, during WW1 and WW2 and just about any
                          other battle that the USA went into since Australia was founded. Also there
                          is Britain, or England as you might call it now, and France, so many other
                          free countries that 'stand beside' America.
                          So, I ask that person who wrote that letter where he/she got that
                          information from. America never stands alone. And as long as there are
                          Australians, they never will stand alone either. (not as long as there is a
                          MacDonalds here anyway, hahaha)
                          My only real concern is that Australia has no major OIL wells, so will the
                          USA be here when we need them????
                          Many thanks tho Buff for your wonderful page, so much better being split as
                          well. Peace to all Nations.
                          It is Rememberance Day here in Australia today, the day that WW1 ended.
                          Lest We Forget.
                          From Andy in OZ.
                          ~~~~~~
                        • B.Brabant
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                            Around the scuttlebutt with the Buffalo
                            ( A modern scuttlebutt is a water cooler and on old ships as
                            sailors stood around the water cask rumors, sea stories and
                            useful info was spread )

                            Please feel free to respond with your views. I try to print everything but
                            due to size constraints and netiquette we will not print extremely long,
                            profane submissions, or tolerate flaming of other readers .
                            Scuttlebutt address is buffalo@... and speak your mind

                            I recently subscribed to your newsletter - I don't even know how I found out
                            about it, but I want you to know how glad I am that I DID!!!! I receive
                            many, many newsletter mailings, and I can honestly say I look forward to
                            yours the most.
                            I am from Nova Scotia, Canada, and today I was sooo pleasantly surprized to
                            see both the "You Know You're A Maritimer" (boy, is it TRUE!!!! lol), and
                            the
                            copy of the Edmund Fitzgerald by our Gordon Lightfoot, as well as the
                            explanation re: "give up her dead".
                            You have jokes that I can forward on to my 80 year old Aunt, and my 13 year
                            old grandaughter!!! It's such a pleasant change from some of the "crap"
                            that
                            comes to me!
                            Keep up the good work Bill - You never fail to brighten my day.
                            Regards
                            Trish
                            ~~~~~~~~


                            Buffalo -

                            Old Speedy Grandma has it right... age has nothing to do with effective
                            living ! I have a driving record similar to yours, Grandma, and I've
                            just turned 70. One difference...I do have one chargeable accident on my
                            record. About three months after I got my first pickup - a beautiful
                            burgundy compact, last year - I backed up and kissed the side of a car
                            that was improperly parked behind me. If I had been more familiar with
                            the truck, it wouldn't have happened, but there it is.

                            I've been hit, on the left front fender, from the side, by three,
                            count-'em, three, deer over the years. In each case, they charged out of
                            the dark, trying to cross the road after they observed my headlights go
                            by. It's not a fun thing. One of the deer had to be shot by my husband.
                            The others shook themselves and ran off. I still think about them and
                            hope they're OK...

                            I have a bit of a heavy foot, too. But a good deal of my driving is done
                            on the Interstate, so actually, even while exceeding the speed limit, I'm
                            one of the more conservative occupants of the road... !

                            Long life, Grandma.

                            Old Speedy #2, Ganny

                            ~~~~~~~

                            TO PASS IT ON! QUIT GRIPPING ABOUT THE PARTY'S AND START BEING PART OF THE
                            SOLUTION! THAT'S ALOT OF THE PEOPLE'S PROBLEM, THEY WANT TO SIT BACK AND
                            GRIPE ABOUT ALOT OF WHAT PARTY DID WHAT AND WHO DID IT AND WHEN THEY WERE
                            IN!! YOU CAN HEAR ALOT OF THAT IN A RESTAURANT EARLY IN THE MORNING, OR GO
                            TO WAL-MART AND LISTEN TO THE GRIPES IN THE SNACK BAR!
                            BUT INSTEAD OF GRIPPING, START HELPING TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, BECAUSE
                            WHEN I GET OLDER THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SOCIAL SECURITY. NOBODY SAID YOU
                            CAN'T GO OUT AND DOOR GREET AT WAL-MART OR STILL WORK IF YOUR ABLE. YOU CAN
                            STILL MAKE SO MUCH AND NOT BE TAXED ON THAT! IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE IT SO
                            ROUGH! NOBODY IS MAKING YOU TAKE THE SOCIAL SECURITY YOU GET. WHAT PARTY
                            ALWAYS WANTS TO GO TO WAR WHEN THEY ARE IN, SO THEY CAN MAKE MONEY? YOU
                            DON'T SEE THEM TAKING A CUT IN PAY TO HELP THE ECONOMY OUT! SO INSTEAD OF
                            GRIPPING, START STANDING UP AND GET ALL OF THEM OUT AND START OVER! THEY
                            MADE THEIR MILLIONS, IT'S TIME TO START TAKING CARE OF OUR SENIOR CITIZENS
                            AND QUIT STEALING OUR YOUTH'S FUTURE! NOT JUST YOUR'S. TO WHERE WE CAN'T
                            EVEN HAVE ANYTHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO, AND TAKE CARE OF THE USA BEFORE
                            SOMEONE ELSE DOES! PASS IT ON!

                            HAPPY THANKSGIVING
                            ~~~~~~~

                            I am in favor of mandatory military service of at least two years.
                            First it would get kids in line, no attitude and no drugs. Robert
                            --------------------------------------
                            Robert,

                            Have to disagree about the no drugs. Pot was available at every Navy base I
                            was at in the mid 60's. A friend's son is now in his 6th year with the Air
                            Force. Currently. He's a grass smoker and no problem getting it.

                            Dick

                            ~~~~~

                            Call it my morbid sense of humor, but I can actually chuckle a bit at this
                            one. You've got to admit the guy certainly has chutzpah!! ~Cin
                            ********************

                            Fired Zookeeper Gets Paid Despite Animal Feast
                            Fri Nov 8, 9:54 AM ET

                            BERLIN (Reuters) - A German zookeeper, fired last month for eating animals
                            in a town zoo, was awarded six-months severance pay after reaching a
                            settlement in a labor court on Thursday.



                            The town of Recklinghausen, north of Cologne, fired the zookeeper after he
                            was caught barbecuing five Tibetan mountain chickens and two Cameroonian
                            sheep at the zoo, popular with children who were allowed to stroke the
                            animals.


                            The man, employed at the zoo since 1997, challenged the dismissal saying he
                            had not been given the six-months notice stipulated in his contract.


                            The town agreed to pay him six months wages but said he need not return to
                            work, according to the Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper in
                            Recklinghausen. Germany's laws make it extremely difficult for employers to
                            fire workers.

                            ~~~~~~


                            "Don from Niagra Falls" - You mentioned a Big Red drink your mama sent to
                            you in Viet Nam. We had/have "Cheerwine" - a sweet cherry drink
                            (non-alcoholic) in NC and SC. Food Lion now carries "Cheerwine" ice cream!

                            Here's my story about Viet Nam. When I was a child (5th grade), we
                            corresponded with some of the local soldiers. Theoretically, it was to help
                            us practice our grammar skills. Realistically, it was a look at history in
                            the making and the emotions of young men thrown into battle situations. I
                            wrote about 2 -3 letters a week and received a letter at least once a week.
                            Even after school let out that year, I continued to write to my soldier
                            until he came home.

                            Our small town was very supportive of our armed forces members. The Army's
                            82nd Airborne (Ft. Bragg) frequently used our land for manuevers/bivouac
                            (spelling?). When they came to our church, people would take turns
                            inviting them home to lunch.

                            Sometimes they would give demonstrations of rappelling, hand to hand combat
                            skills, skydiving, etc. - even helicopter rides (that was so COOL!) We
                            were wide-eyed with wonder and respect.

                            One time my little brother found a soldier whose parachute had become
                            entangled in limbs waaaaaay up in the pine tree. He ran to find help for
                            the poor man!

                            Happy Veterans' Day and thank you all.

                            Bonnie k

                            ~~~~~~~

                            What happened to Kitty Corner? I go there first, even before I read the
                            rest, and now you replaced it with yet another doggy site?

                            Bad form, Buff.

                            Kotie
                            buffalo says
                            It was Veteran's Day and there were never attack cats in the military.

                            ~~~~~~~

                            Hi Buffalo,
                            I would like to respond to Janna's letter about her teacher trashing her
                            father for working away from his family and only being home on weekends. In
                            her letter she says her teacher said he would rather starve than be away
                            from his family! Obviously, this teacher was not being realistic! If he
                            truly LOVED his family...he would not force them to also starve just so they
                            could be together! Parents often have to do things they dont want to do just
                            so their kids can have what they need! We take low paying, crappy jobs
                            sometimes.....or work long hours...or work far away from home.....just to
                            pay the bills! When I was a kid....my dad's job took him out of town
                            sometimes for months on end! My mom had a hard time raising 11 kids
                            virtually alone but its what they had to do for us to have a roof, food &
                            clothes! He may have been able to get a job that didnt require all that
                            travel....be close to home.....but we would not have been able to afford all
                            the luxuries then...like food and boots and winter coats! I consider what my
                            father did a sacrifice on his part! He sacrificed his home and family life
                            so that his children could have everything they needed! THAT is LOVE!! As
                            much as I would never want to be away from my children for very long....I
                            too would take a job that kept me away from home if the pay was good enough
                            to insure my family's well being and future! Thanks for listening!
                            LauraK830

                            ~~~~~~~

                            Hi Buffalo,
                            I would like to respond to Janna's letter about her teacher trashing her
                            father for working away from his family and only being home on weekends. In
                            her letter she says her teacher said he would rather starve than be away
                            from his family! Obviously, this teacher was not being realistic! If he
                            truly LOVED his family...he would not force them to also starve just so they
                            could be together! Parents often have to do things they dont want to do just
                            so their kids can have what they need! We take low paying, crappy jobs
                            sometimes.....or work long hours...or work far away from home.....just to
                            pay the bills! When I was a kid....my dad's job took him out of town
                            sometimes for months on end! My mom had a hard time raising 11 kids
                            virtually alone but its what they had to do for us to have a roof, food &
                            clothes! He may have been able to get a job that didnt require all that
                            travel....be close to home.....but we would not have been able to afford all
                            the luxuries then...like food and boots and winter coats! I consider what my
                            father did a sacrifice on his part! He sacrificed his home and family life
                            so that his children could have everything they needed! THAT is LOVE!! As
                            much as I would never want to be away from my children for very long....I
                            too would take a job that kept me away from home if the pay was good enough
                            to insure my family's well being and future! Thanks for listening!
                            LauraK830

                            ~~~~~~~

                            Buff,

                            I know this is late but here goes. Here's a link to a site dedicated to
                            veterans that many people have never thought about but protected them every
                            day during the Cold War. Don't forget you Canadians are included here. You
                            can also find out what the Fertile 80 is about.

                            Online Air Defense Radar Museum
                            http://www.radomes.org/museum/

                            Bob Kendig
                            Fertile 80

                            ~~~~

                            This is to Cass
                            Winamp is fairly reliable but I personally use Ashampoo and have had no
                            problems... How much RAM is your puter running as this has a greater effect
                            on skipping and hanging up than the player does. Also how much virtual
                            memory have you assigned?
                            I use Ashampoo because of its versatility...it plays most video as well as
                            audio formats quite well, is easily configurable, and is free (always a big
                            plus in my books).
                            Also it is a good idea to make sure your computer and programs have the most
                            up-to-date drivers available for its configuration.
                            Hope this helps.

                            Re: Chili
                            I make a mild chili since some of my friends stomachs cannot handle it the
                            way it is supposed to taste. And being a heretic, I use beans, lots and lots
                            of them. Kidney beans, baked beans, and in the vegetarian version of my
                            chili I use lentils to give the mess a meaty texture. I also use green sweet
                            pepper and celery and copious amounts of onions and minced tomatoes.
                            When I serve it I have a bottle of Louisiana hot sauce on the table so they
                            can spice it up as hot as they want (it has better flavour and more heat
                            than Tobasco). As for spices I use chili powder, a few black peppercorns,
                            and a generous dash (bout and eighth of a tsp.) of cinnamon. This gives it a
                            sweet nature.
                            I don't usually use salsa because this is Canada and the Canadian idea of
                            suicide hot is really pathetic. Wouldn't raise a sweat on a newborn baby.
                            One additional tip for those who have a problem with the burn...drink milk
                            or some other fat containing beverage or a teaspoon of peanut or sunflower
                            oil washed down with water. Capsaicin (that which produces the heavenly
                            burn) is fat soluble and NOT water soluble...so guzzling water or beer won't
                            relieve the burn...though a few beers are a good local anasthetic

                            ~~~~~~~~~

                            Ok guys. I can't stand this anymore!!! Someone has to set the record
                            straight on REAL CHILI. Here it is, the definitive recipe. I know it's
                            long, but so is the cooking of really good chili. Enjoy!
                            Liz in Dallas
                            Liz's Locomotive Chili

                            "Goes through you like a freight train"

                            Everyone in Texas has his or her own favorite chili recipe. The difference
                            between those recipes and this one is simple: this recipe is right.

                            Now, chili was a meal fixed on the trail for cowboys. The concept is simple:
                            chilis, beef, tomatoes, herbs and spices, water, iron and fire. A certain
                            amount of variation in the basic recipe is acceptable, but don't go puttin
                            no pork and beans or rhubarb in there, 'cause then it ain't no chili no
                            more, ya dadburn Yankee.

                            But, for those of you who are cooking-dysfunctional it is imperative that
                            you follow the directions explicitly, lest you end up with some sort of
                            tomato/beef soup. Of course, your friends and family would laugh and point
                            their fingers at you in this event, and whisper allegations as to your
                            sexual association with feathered farm animals. Don't let this happen.
                            Nothing with feathers on it should ever be associated with chili.

                            So, gather about you the implements of cookery, and let us begin. First, go
                            to the store and obtain the following through exchange of currency, barter
                            or thievery.

                            CHILIES: jalapeno are OK to add heat, but also use poblano, New Mexico,
                            dried ancho and even Anaheim. I mean use ALL of them at the same time. This
                            will give a good, deep chili flavor, and use a LOT; this stuff is called
                            chili for a reason. You should see and taste plenty of chilies. Buy enough
                            for 3 cups or more, diced.

                            CHILI POWDER:You can go to the grocery and buy the typical stuff, but better
                            to go to Pendery's at the Galleria or the original location in downtown Fort
                            Worth. They've been selling chili powder and other dried goods to
                            restaurants in DFW for over a hundred years. They have many varieties of
                            dried chilies and chili powder, as well as oregano, cumin, and about
                            anything else you want. Or go to an international market such as Danals,
                            Fiesta Mart or one of the Middle Eastern markets. You will find a wide
                            variety of herbs and spices sold in bulk instead of expensive little bottles
                            or cans, and you will save money and have fun. Use four heaping tablespoons.

                            BEEF: About four pounds should do. For chili, cheaper and tougher is better.
                            The combination of acidic chilis and tomatoes tends to break the beef down
                            rapidly during cooking, turning more expensive meat into mush. Buy cheap and
                            tough. Pre-cut stew beef or round steak will do fine, but cut it into
                            smaller, chewable chunks. Use hamburger only as an adjunct to add a little
                            different texture, not as the main meat ingredient, or you will end up with
                            spaghetti sauce.

                            CANNED DICED TOMATOES: Sure, they had cans back then, and the high lead
                            content was an added bonus. Anyway, every time I use fresh tomatoes they
                            typically are semi green with little flavor. The canned, diced tomatoes are
                            prepared ripe, and have excellent flavor. And, no cutting needed.

                            GARLIC: Use a lot, because I like it that way, and you never can tell when I
                            might come over for midnight chili inspection. Use 6 or 8 good sized cloves
                            (sections) cut into small pieces.

                            SALT: Plenty of salt. Chili is not health food.

                            PEPPER: Fresh ground for better flavor. Lots and lots. 2 or 3 tablespoons or
                            more.

                            OREGANO: Dried or fresh. Enough to add flavor. 3 tablespoons.

                            ROSEMARY:So how do you know cowboys didn't have rosemary? Prove it. 1
                            tablespoon adds excellent flavor.

                            GROUND CUMIN: This is the essence if chili. Open the can and smell this
                            stuff. Smells just like dirty sox. Adds that special something! Use three
                            heaping tablespoons.

                            MASA HARINA: Mescan corn meal flour. Helps offset all of the acid. 3
                            tablespoons.

                            SIX PACK OF DOS EQUIS MESCAN BEER:

                            ICE CREAM: Half-Gallon of your favorite.

                            ASSORTED TRACE ELEMENTS: If your house is like ours, a variety of extra
                            ingredients will find their way into the red delight, including cat hairs,
                            wayward insects and whatnot. This actually adds to the authenticity of the
                            dish, and contributes vitamins and minerals not normally obtained through
                            more traditional culinary practice. Anyway, no germ could live in this
                            concoction.

                            Gathering all of that stuff was the hard part, the rest is easy. Put the ice
                            cream in the freezer and open 2 Dos Equis beers. Pour 1 beer into an iron
                            kettle and pour the other beer into the cook. Put the meat (cut small) into
                            the kettle with all of the other ingredients except the masa. Bring to a
                            boil for 30 minutes, then cover and reduce to a simmer for 2 hours. Add
                            water as needed. You are seeking a texture similar to gravy.

                            It is very important that you continue adding Dos Equis to the cook on a
                            regular basis. Stir the chili and generally look busy so spouses don't try
                            to get you to take out the garbage or some such, but don't stir too much
                            lest you get the chili mushy. Taste occasionally and adjust spices; the heat
                            of the chilis should not be overwhelming, but rather a little too hot to
                            start with and a pleasant warm afterglow. N-Now you can take jush one more
                            li'l ship of Dosh Equish again, jush to shteady youself a li'l. Shay, tha
                            chili's gettin purty goooooood. Better lay off the DosSh Equish for a li'l
                            while.

                            After a couple of hours, mix the masa in a little warm water to liquefy it,
                            then stir into chili. Cook awhile longer. Serve hot with a side of nacho
                            chips, which are excellent for dipping and lifting the chili to the mouth.
                            Amazingly, A Dos Equis will go well with the repast. Then, late at night,
                            you will hear the plaintive, forlorn sound of a phantom locomotive diesel
                            horn heading your way over long-abandoned tracks....... no, wait, that's
                            your stomach! Better get the ice cream ready, you'll be wanting to sit in
                            it.

                            ~~~~~

                            Janni,
                            I'm with you, your teacher is wrong...i'm a mother, and grandmother but
                            as scares as good jobs are now a family dose what they have to to make a
                            living. If the family are getting along good and all are ok with the
                            father working out of town that is all that matters. Togetherness dose
                            not make a good parent being as good a parent & loving as you can be is
                            a great parent.
                            My husband had to work away from home and was home on weekends and my
                            children respected him because he was who he was not where he worked.
                            You keep on respecting your parents like you do...to many children now
                            do not do that any more.
                            Bless You,
                            Boo

                            ~~~~~~

                            Dear I-Am-Scared....1,2, or 3, lost count here.
                            Sure i'm scared to, scared if we don't take Hussein out he will come back to
                            bite us on the butt....It should have been done by Geo. Sr. back in the
                            Gulf....water over the bridge.
                            Now we have a president with the guts to give it a try. I back him 100%..
                            I'm also scared to, that if we do my two grandsons will be of age soon
                            enough to be involved in it.
                            Either way we are a scared nation.
                            P>S> i bet your son is behind the President...All the military personal in
                            my family are and we number quite a few in all branches.
                            Linda

                            ~~~~~~~~

                            <Isn't that a wonderfully tolerant country and religion.

                            <Marge

                            That would be our "ally", Saudi Arabia. They also require all the female US
                            military personnel who are over there, propping up their government and
                            fighting their wars, to cover their bodies except for faces and hands, even
                            in 100-degree heat. There was a female fighter pilot who was prohibited, as
                            all Saudi women are, from driving a car!!! She can fly a multi-million
                            dollar aircraft and drop bombs on their enemies, but she can't drive a CAR
                            on a public street??? Ramadan, BTW, started here (North Florida) last week.
                            It's the first sighting of the crescent moon at a particular point of the
                            lunar calendar. In parts of the world with extensive cloud cover, Ramadan
                            may start weeks late!

                            Peri Dwyer, D.C.
                            ~~~~~~~

                            To Andy in Oz: I don't know what that Canadian was thinking of, by
                            saying that Canada was the only free Country standing beside America, in
                            times of trouble. The Korean War was trouble, for the U.S. but I
                            remember more than 21 free Nations helping us. In the Viet Nam War,
                            many Nations helped. I agree, with almost everything you said, with one
                            exception. You seem to infer that you were worried that, because you
                            had no major oil wells, we might not help you, in times of trouble. If
                            that was an implication that we only help nations that have an oil
                            reserve, then I feel like we've been slapped in the face. We helped
                            Kuwait, because they asked for our help. We also helped South Korea,
                            because they asked. There are no Oil wells in South Korea. South Viet
                            Nam asked for our help. We responded. We stopped a Japanese invasion
                            force, in 1942, whose final destination was to be Australia. We knew
                            that you did not have vast oil reserves. I don't understand why you
                            would worry that we wouldn't still do the same. Australia never has to
                            worry about facing an enemy, alone. We will be there. You can make
                            book, on it. I hope every Aussie Veteran had a nice Rememberance Day.
                            I thank all Australian Veterans for their service to their Country, and
                            Ours. Have a nice day----------------Bob (A Korea Vet)

                            ~~~~~~~

                            Good Morning Buffalo

                            How about starting the day with a quote from my favorite Okie?

                            "Politics has become so expensive that it takes a lot of
                            money to even be defeated."

                            - Will Rogers

                            Note to Mary E in Texas

                            WOW! I stirred up a hornet's nest. I still think mince pies are an
                            abomination. As to tearing the wings off flies, I don't bother with such
                            minutiae. I just swat the pests. Cats--I have owned two cats. One was
                            half Siamese and half alley. He was a doll. The second was purebred
                            Siamese and attempted to devour me one evening while I was napping on the
                            couch. I awoke to a dream that a Tiger was eating me. The cat was chewing
                            on my big toe. I reacted by grabbing it and throwing it against the living
                            room wall creating an eight inch hole in the dry wall. I didn't see the cat
                            until the next morning when I opened the door to go to work, he dashed out
                            and I never laid eyes on him again.

                            Chilluns, what are chilluns?

                            H. Allen Smith, one of my favorite humorists, wrote a book about the
                            Terlingua Chile Cookoff. I can't remember the exact title, but it included
                            Terlingua. He lost by the way. His description of the event is hilarious.

                            My last duty station in the US Army was Fort Huachuca, AZ. I didn't live on
                            post. I rented a cabin on a dude ranch 8 miles south of Sierra Vista. One
                            evening driving from the post to my cabin I came upon a mass migration of
                            tarantulas. They covered the highway for a distance of at least 100 feet.
                            There had to have been thousands of the creatures. As I traveled over them
                            I prayed my little Mustang wouldn't stall. I do not care for spiders and
                            snakes.

                            Any woman who thinks the way to a man's heart is through his stomach is
                            aiming about 10 inches too high.
                            Adrienne E. Gusoff

                            Buffalo, here's a man after your own heart:

                            To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even more so.
                            Robert Orben

                            Jim Mc Quain

                            ~~~~~~~

                            Dear Buff,

                            You got a great put out level going on a daily basis and I don't know how
                            you you do it being employed and stopping off at KFC for orders.Keep up the
                            good work.
                            I sent recently something to you which wasn't included, maybe because in my
                            rush to get the letter off I inadvertently omitted my name. Sorry, my error.
                            Here is a joke I heard recently:
                            A Bostonian young couple moved to Tennessee to live. In speaking with her
                            neighbor she excalimed how that she has her own job and her husband takes
                            care of the housework:cooking,cleaning,washing,etc.Her Tennesseean neighbor
                            said -"Oh my, I gotta do all that by mahself." Her Bostonian advised
                            her-"Why don't you do as I did? Tell your husband that you are out to get a
                            job and there is no alternative other than that he must pitch in with the
                            housework.The first day I didn't see him, the second day I didn't see him
                            and after that he just had no choice nad started the housework." "Ah'll trah
                            that thaeyunn," said her tennessee neighbor. A week later, the Bostoninan
                            calls her on the phone and asks how did her idea work." OH, it was jus lahk
                            yoo saiyud. Ah told my jusband that Ah got mahself a job ain hees gotta get
                            to the house chores bah himsailf. Wail. it was lahk you said-the first day
                            ah didn't see him, the second day I didn't see him and after that the
                            swelling under the eye went down and ah could see him."

                            By the way , for Sgt. Woods, I appreciate your identification and pride of
                            your country and its language, but in Europe, each and every country is
                            proud of its history and destiny and yet they educate their children to know
                            more than one language.In Belgium, France, Italy, Germany just for starters,
                            most students know more than one language and many know 3. To know another
                            language is not a lack of pride- it is an interest to broaden one's
                            knowledge and horizons. You being a man of the military yourself can attest
                            to the necessity to know more than English being stationed around the world.
                            It is really unfortunate that our youth yoday in the states is very narrow
                            minded in regard to languages and the majority know only English- lagging
                            behind European schooling. True - someone living in the states should
                            understand that the national language spoken in the government,courts and
                            schools should be a tool of his knowledge, but we should likewise be proud
                            that we can converse in another language as well.

                            Benson
                            buffalo says Domestic violence lost its humor for me when I discovered
                            that it was a true, widespread, and potentially deadly problem. It is not
                            a Father Knows Best or Leave it to Beaver world anymore and we all know it's
                            not just the guy from Tenn that is a problem but people everywhere , male
                            and female rich and poor that feel it id necessary to
                            beat others into their way of thinking. Please no more abuse or rape jokes
                            anyone.

                            ~~~~~~~

                            Concerning the drunken Mexican driver--I have always heard that ignorance of
                            the law is no excuse.
                            For Janna--Forget your teacher. You should be proud of your dad, at least he
                            is trying to support his family and is not a dead beat dad. Your teacher is
                            wayyyyy outta line here.

                            Patricia B.


                            ~~~~~~~~


                            The conservatives talk about supporting capital punishment for some
                            criminals, but are opposed to abortions.

                            The liberals talk about abortions on demand, but oppose capital punishment
                            of any kind for criminals.

                            What are you if you are:

                            1. Opposed to killing both criminals AND babies.

                            2. Supportive of killing both criminals AND babies.


                            I am one of those, but I don't know how I should refer to myself
                            politically.

                            Thanks

                            Buddy

                            ~~~~~~~


                            Aloha Mr. Bill,
                            Happy Veterans Day to you and all the other Vets in the Herd. I would like
                            to take this opportunity to say Mahalo a Nui Loa (Thank you *very* much) for
                            your service and sacrifices for our beloved America.
                            Hope you all have a good one. May God bless us all.

                            Aloha,
                            Lorrie K

                            ~~~~~~

                            To Mr. Paul Harman who forwarded anti-Democrat "wisdom" (blame-game, he
                            calls it!) about Social Security: I got that same thing a few days before
                            the election from a former friend. She couldn't believe I had the nerve to
                            set the record straight by responding to her mass mailing with Reply to
                            All, but I knew she never would have corrected herself to all those
                            people. The sender no longer speaks to me (relief at last), and I got
                            thanks and praise from her friends and relatives (people I don't even
                            know!) for setting the record straight.

                            I got my information from the US Government's own site which gives an
                            historical account of the Social Security
                            Admin: http://www.ssa.gov/history/history.html
                            Click: Brief History
                            Then click: Pamphlet: Brief History of SS.

                            That sorry piece of garbage that was circulated didn't even give the
                            Democrats (F.D.R.) credit for creating the system! I am convinced that few
                            people today take the history of the Great Depression seriously -- if
                            they've even heard of it. Dubya put a new spin on the subject of Social
                            Security when he said:

                            "They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's
                            some kind of federal program." -George W. Bush, Nov. 2, 2000
                            --and--
                            "There's not going to be enough people in the system to take advantage of
                            people like me." -George W. Bush, on the coming Social Security crisis,
                            Wilton, Conn., June 9, 2000

                            My wildest guess is that maybe in the second statement, he was trying to
                            make reference to the fact that the ratio of workers paying in vs. people
                            drawing from the system has shifted continuously since the system was
                            created. The system is unavoidably strained by the simple fact that more
                            Americans are living far longer. Speaking of a correlation of numbers, is
                            it my imagination or are we overrun with uninformed (or misinformed) voters
                            versus those who make choices based on knowledge?

                            I'm really neither Republican or Democrat. I've voted both ways over the
                            years. But I have no respect for lying or deception from either
                            side. People want the truth, not something that gave an uninformed person
                            a temporary high and/or a warm, fuzzy feeling because it suited their
                            political party mind-set.

                            Buffalo's a great guy. He'll give you a second chance; and I will, too.

                            Sincerely, Norma F.

                            ~~~~~~~

                            I wish that people would check out their stories before they send them
                            as "Gospel" Here is the truth about Social Security . Check it out
                            yourselves if you do not believe it. go to snopes.com type in social
                            security and it will come up. I tried to delete some of this as it is so
                            long. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                            Q: Which party took Social Security from an independent fund and put it
                            in the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
                            A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic-controlled House and Senate.
                            FALSE
                            These articles should help to clear up the misconceptions.
                            From the Cato Institute http://www.socialsecurity.org/ SSP Report No. 24
                            p. 6
                            "All of those proposals reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the
                            nature of the trust fund. Social Security payroll taxes are currently
                            bringing in more revenue than the program pays out in benefits, a
                            surplus
                            that is projected to continue until approximately 2016. Thereafter, the
                            situation will reverse, with Social Security paying out more in benefits
                            than it brings in through taxes. The surplus is used to purchase special
                            issue Treasury bonds. The Social Security surplus used to purchase the
                            bonds becomes general revenue and is spent on the government^Òs annual
                            general operating expenses. What remains behind in the trust fund is the
                            bonds, plus an interest payment attributed to the bonds (also paid in
                            bonds, rather than cash). Government bonds are, in essence, a form of
                            IOU.
                            They are a promise against future tax revenue. When the bonds become
                            due,
                            the government will have to repay them out of general revenue."
                            http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/98jul/socsec.htm
                            Lyndon Johnson had a profound affect on the benefits received. He pushed
                            and signed the legislation for Medicare benefits. He went to
                            Independence
                            Missouri, Harry Truman's home town, to sign it. LBJ signed Harry's card
                            as
                            the first recipient. These are some of his words:
                            http://www.ssa.gov/history/lbjstmts.html
                            Remarks With President Truman at the Signing in Independence of the
                            Medicare Bill--July 30, 1965
                            "PRESIDENT TRUMAN. Thank you very much. I am glad you like the
                            President.
                            I like him too. He is one of the finest men I ever ran across.
                            Mr. President, Mrs. Johnson, distinguished guests:
                            You have done me a great honor in coming here today, and you have made
                            me
                            a very, very happy man.
                            This is an important hour for the Nation, for those of our citizens who
                            have completed their tour of duty and have moved to the sidelines. These
                            are the days that we are trying to celebrate for them. These people are
                            our prideful responsibility and they are entitled, among other benefits,
                            to the best medical protection available.
                            Not one of these, our citizens, should ever be abandoned to the
                            indignity
                            of charity. Charity is indignity when you have to have it. But we don't
                            want these people to have anything to do with charity and we don't want
                            them to have any idea of hopeless despair.
                            Mr. President, I am glad to have lived this long and to witness today
                            the
                            signing of the Medicare bill which puts this Nation right where it needs
                            to be, to be right. Your inspired leadership and a responsive
                            forward-looking Congress have made it historically possible for this day
                            to come about.
                            Thank all of you most highly for coming here. It is an honor I haven't
                            had
                            for, well, quite awhile, I'll say that to you, but here it is:"
                            THE PRESIDENT. "The people of the United States love and voted for Harry
                            Truman, not because he gave them hell--but because he gave them hope.
                            I believe today that all America shares my joy that he is present now
                            when
                            the hope that he offered becomes a reality for millions of our fellow
                            citizens.
                            I am so proud that this has come to pass in the Johnson Administration.
                            But it was really Harry Truman of Missouri who planted the seeds of
                            compassion and duty which have today flowered into care for the sick,
                            and
                            serenity for the fearful.
                            Many men can make many proposals. Many men can draft many laws. But few
                            have the piercing and humane eye which can see beyond the words to the
                            people that they touch. Few can see past the speeches and the political
                            battles to the doctor over there that is tending the infirm, and to the
                            hospital that is receiving those in anguish, or feel in their heart
                            painful wrath it the injustice which denies the miracle of healing to
                            the
                            old and to the poor. And fewer still have the courage to stake
                            reputation,
                            and position, and the effort of a lifetime upon such a cause when there
                            are so few that share it.
                            But it is just such men who illuminate the life and the history of a
                            nation. And so, President Harry Truman, it is in tribute not to you, but
                            to the America that you represent, that we have come here to pay our
                            love
                            and our respects to you today. For a country can be known by the quality
                            of the men it honors. By praising you, and by carrying forward your
                            dreams, we really reaffirm the greatness of America.
                            It was a generation ago that Harry Truman said, and I quote him:
                            "Millions of our citizens do not now have a full measure of opportunity
                            to achieve
                            and to enjoy good health. Millions do not now have protection or
                            security
                            against the economic effects of sickness. And the time has now arrived
                            for
                            action to help them attain that opportunity and to help them get that
                            protection."
                            Well, today, Mr. President, and my fellow Americans, we are taking such
                            action--20 years later. And we are doing that under the great leadership
                            of men like John McCormack, our Speaker; Carl Albert, our majority
                            leader;
                            our very able and beloved majority leader of the Senate, Mike Mansfield;
                            and distinguished Members of the Ways and Means and Finance Committees
                            of
                            the House and Senate--of both parties, Democratic and Republican.
                            Because the need for this action is plain; and it is so clear indeed
                            that
                            we marvel not simply at the passage of this bill, but what we marvel at
                            is
                            that it took so many years to pass it. And I am so glad that Aime Forand
                            is here to see it finally passed and signed--one of the first authors.
                            There are more than 18 million Americans over the age of 65. Most of
                            them
                            have low incomes. Most of them are threatened by illness and medical
                            expenses that they cannot afford.
                            And through this new law, Mr. President, every citizen will be able, in
                            his productive years when he is earning, to insure himself against the
                            ravages of illness in his old age.
                            This insurance will help pay for care in hospitals, in skilled nursing
                            homes, or in the home. And under a separate plan it will help meet the
                            fees of the doctors."
                            Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
                            A: The Democratic party.
                            FALSE
                            Actually, it was Ronald Reagan, a Republican, who signed a bill taxing
                            Social Security benefits.
                            http://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html
                            Q: Which party increased the tax on Social Security?
                            A: The Democratic Party with Al Gore casting the deciding vote.
                            TRUE
                            Since the statement does not mention any specific bill that Al Gore cast
                            the deciding vote, it led to an exhaustive search. As a Vice President,
                            he could have exercised his constitutional powers to break a tie vote in
                            the Senate.
                            I did find as part of the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, the
                            VP did cast a vote in the Senate to break a tie. This Act was a huge
                            bill
                            that covered everything from agricultural commodities, licensing of
                            radio
                            spectrum, luxury automobile taxes, fuels, banking, medicare, etc., etc.
                            The bill passed in the House by a vote of 218-216 and in the Senate by
                            51-50.
                            http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:HR02264:|TOM:/bss/d103query.h
                            tml|
                            H.R. 2264 Latest Major Action: 8/10/1993 Became Public Law No: 103-66.
                            This is section 13215:
                            SEC. 13215. SOCIAL SECURITY AND TIER 1 RAILROAD RETIREMENT BENEFITS.
                            (a) ADDITIONAL INCLUSION FOR CERTAIN TAXPAYERS-
                            (1) IN GENERAL- Subsection (a) of section 86
                            (relating to social security and tier 1 railroad retirement benefits) is
                            amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
                            Q. Which party decided to give money to immigrants?
                            A: That's right, immigrants moved into this country at 65 and got SSI
                            Social Security. The Democratic Party gave that to them although they
                            never paid a dime into it.
                            FALSE
                            http://www.ssa.gov/history/pdf/ssi.pdf
                            1972
                            Public Law 92-603, enacted October 30
                            "Other Eligibility Provisions Citizenship and Residence
                            The individual must reside within one of the 50 states or the District
                            of
                            Columbia and be a citizen or an alien lawfully admitted for permanent
                            residence or permanently residing in the United States under color of
                            law.
                            Persons living outside the United States for an entire calendar month
                            lose
                            their eligibility for such a month."
                            The SSI (Supplemental Security Income) and the automatic annual COLA
                            (Cost
                            of Living Adjustments) based on the Consumer Price Index were pushed,
                            signed, and implemented during the Nixon administration. So immigrants
                            first received SSI under the Republican administration of President
                            Richard M. Nixon.
                            It was actually Bill Clinton that signed legislation barring immigrants
                            from receiving SSI as part of The Personal Responsibility and Work
                            Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. This changed the following year
                            with the signing of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997.
                            http://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html
                            In 1969, President Nixon identified a need to reform these and related
                            welfare programs to "bring reason, order, and purpose into a tangle of
                            overlapping programs." In 1971, Secretary of Health, Education and
                            Welfare, Elliot Richardson, proposed that SSA assume responsibility for
                            the "adult categories." In the Social Security Amendments of 1972,
                            http://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html
                            "The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of
                            1996.
                            This "welfare reform" legislation, signed by the President on 8/22/96,
                            ended the categorical entitlement to AFDC (Aid to Families with
                            Dependent
                            Children) that was part of the original 1935 Social Security Act by
                            implementing time-limited benefits along with a work requirement. The
                            law
                            also terminated SSI eligibility for most non-citizens. Previously,
                            lawfully admitted aliens could receive SSI if they met the other factors
                            of entitlement. As of the date of enactment, no new non-citizens could
                            be
                            added to the benefit rolls and all existing non-citizen beneficiaries
                            would eventually be removed from the rolls (unless they met one of the
                            exceptions in the law.) Also effective upon enactment were provisions
                            eliminating the "comparable severity standard" and reference to
                            "maladaptive behavior" in the determination of disability for children
                            to
                            receive SSI. Also, children currently receiving benefits under the old
                            benefits."
                            These are the present requirements for SSI eligibility:
                            http://aspe.os.dhhs.gov/cfda/p96006.htm
                            http://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html


                            ~~~~~~

                            Alright Buffalo -

                            I'm having one of those mornings where I just get pissed off by about
                            everything.

                            SNARL..... Feel free to abbreviate (GOD why is that word so damn long???) as
                            you see fit.

                            I've collected most of these as I've gone along, feel free to add to, or
                            remove from, them.

                            Post them to the Scuttlebutt or the Adult jokes, I just wanted to rant.



                            · I will live my life the way I deem fit, screw political
                            correctness.

                            · I have the right to choose my religious path if I choose one at
                            all.

                            · If I want to eat a cow, I will eat a cow.

                            · I have the right to hang up on telemarketers mid sentence and not
                            have to worry about whether or not I was polite.

                            · If I think someone's an idiot, I will tell them they're a damn
                            idiot.

                            · I have the right to tell children that their parents aren't raising
                            them correctly.

                            · If you don't know what you're talking about, shut the hell up.

                            · You may have the right to speak, but I don't have to listen to you.

                            · If I want to be rude, loud, and obnoxious, fuck you, it's a free
                            country.

                            · If I want to go to a bar, destroy my liver with alcohol, clog my
                            arteries with junk food, and have unsafe sex with the woman/man I just met,
                            I ought to be able to smoke while I'm at it.

                            · Your daughter just got drunk at a party, made a slut of herself,
                            and you're worried about my religious beliefs????

                            · Before you tell me how to run my life, be certain that your own is
                            squeaky clean.

                            · Just because you work at McDonald's doesn't mean you have an excuse
                            to have an I.Q. under twelve.

                            · If you're stupid enough to give me credit, deal with the
                            consequences.

                            · If your dog or cat is so smart, then why do you talk to it like
                            it's a newborn baby?

                            · If I shoot you while you're committing a crime, and you try to sue
                            me for it, I'll shoot you again.

                            · If you live in Tornado Alley, don't bitch when you get hit by a
                            tornado (This also applies to Hurricanes as well).

                            · Don't point at your wrist and ask what time is it, I can hear you
                            dumb-ass.

                            · Do NOT ask me for help and then proceed to tell me what to do. If
                            you knew that damn much to start with, you wouldn't have needed help in the
                            first place.

                            · Scrape that stupid sticker off your bumper that proclaims your
                            idiot kid as an Honor Roll Moron. I don't care and the kid is probably
                            embarrassed as hell about it.

                            · The first jerkoff I see burning a US flag, don't be pissed when I
                            wrap you in it.

                            · Computers do not make mistakes, it's the jackass driving it that
                            does.

                            · Men are from Earth, Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

                            · I do not, now or ever, want to see your baby pictures. Christ, I
                            don't show you pictures of my computers.

                            · I really don't care if it'll hold the whole damn Atlantic Ocean, I
                            do NOT want to see tampon commercials on my t.v. Also - I really don't care
                            how "fresh" you feel, do it somewhere else, PLEASE!

                            · I worked thirty straight hours, it's eight in the morning and I'm
                            on the way home, I stop and pick up a six pack; give me that nasty look
                            again and I could very well snap and enact your dental plan. Remember that.

                            · If you ask for my advice, then don't follow it, do not blame me for
                            your problems.

                            · Because I program and fix computers all day, do not, for one
                            second, feel I am your free helpdesk. I don't call and have you balance my
                            checkbook just because you are an accountant do I?

                            · For gods sake, can we remove "is that your final answer?" from the
                            entire worlds vocabulary? It's as bad as that "where's the beef?" crap.

                            · Simple questions do not always have simple answers.



                            Ahhhh, I feel better already.



                            Raymond S Bowen

                            Gun Control is all about aim.

                            ~~~~~

                            re: Ed Knox's Predictions:

                            Hey, that kind of an America actually sounds pretty good!

                            Roe v. Wade reversed? About time we stopped murdering unborn children.
                            (Yes, we all have a right to choose what we do with our bodies, but we
                            don't have the right to choose to murder people inside them).

                            Right to Work outlawed? Great! About time we allowed workers to choose
                            whether they want to work in a place where they are not required to pay
                            dues to strike or to line union bosses' pockets.

                            Public Education as we have know it will cease to exist? Well, real
                            education in the urban the public schools ceased to exist a long time
                            ago. Might as well make it official. Vouchers can be the ticket to a
                            real education conducted by those with no interest in preserving a
                            bloated bureaucracy of administrators and strike-happy union leaders.

                            Permanent tax cut? Bring it on.

                            Goodbye Davis-Bacon? Throw this Bacon out with the rest of the pork!
                            Davis-Bacon essentially requires companies with federal contracts of
                            $2k+ to pay union wages, even if workers are willing to work for less.
                            If you owned a company, would you pay less or more for the same work? I
                            won't pay $30,000 for the same car I can buy down the street for
                            $25,000. Who would?

                            John R.
                            Whitefish Bay WI

                            ~~~~~

                            Hi Troll,

                            Big Dick didn't abandon a sinking ship. He'll remain a life long Democrat,
                            and will always support their causes no matter what sleazy, unethical
                            techniques they use to propagate their agenda. He simply couldn't see
                            himself being relegated to the back seats in the minority party for even two
                            more years. But then can you blame him? The Democrats have run this
                            country (Owned either the Senate or the House, and for a large majority of
                            the time both houses of Congress) for the last sixty years.

                            "Democracy isn't necessarily bad politics, just bad math, a thousand corrupt
                            minds are just as dangerous as one corrupt mind." - Rich Mullins

                            Cheers,
                            Scott Rogge
                            http://www.excelmovie.com/scottrogge

                            ~~~~~~

                            Semiors Driving
                            I've been reading all the coments about seniors being retested to
                            keep their driving liscense. Would it really do any good? The wealthy
                            would just pay someone off to keep theirs. Many of the others who have been
                            driving for 50+ years would still drive anyway without insurance. If they
                            have to get to the store or doctors office and have no other way no one is
                            going to stop them. Or maybe we should just lock them all up. Remember all
                            we will all be seniors some day if we live that long. And for those
                            wondering, I have a ways to go before hitting 65. I have had three nasty
                            accidents though. The first was when a 19 year old spoted his girlfriend
                            and decided to cross the center line to go say hi to her and hit me head on.
                            The second ran a stop sign and hit me broadside at 55mph. He was 16 and it
                            was his 7th accident. They asked me to testify but his dad paid off the DA
                            and he kept his liscense. The third pulled out of a parking lot onto the
                            highway less then 30 feet from me. He was 16 and was allowed to file for
                            bankrupcy to get out of a judgment against him. I was disabled in that one
                            and will never work again so why pick on the seniors.
                            RL Fink

                            ~~~~~~

                            Buff:
                            As an end of Korean War veteran who served from Nov 12th 1953 to Nov 9th,
                            1956 I want to say Thank God for the Veterans of all the wars that helped
                            keep America strong. Lets never forget them. They are leaving us at a rate
                            of over 1000 a day. God Bless them. God Bless America.
                            Happy Veterans Day.

                            Chuck from New Port Richey, FL

                            ~~~~~~

                            Chili

                            Today I'm making a pot. I make 1 pot a year & freeze in containers that fit
                            my big mouth thermos. As to beans in chili you can tell by mine if I'm broke
                            or not, if it has beans you know that I'm trying to stretch things. As for
                            maters I'm going to put some today. Around here you can't get course ground
                            meat at store. I have used wick fowler a # of times, but today will just let
                            it happen, have some dried peppers to grind, also some chili powder from
                            dollar store 2 for a buck. Anyway if you want chili come by!! If you want
                            ice cream go to B&R. To me making chili is like making gumbo, any thing is
                            fair! Clean out the fridge & freezer. No possum please. BB

                            ~~~~~~

                            I've been reading lately a lot of discussion about social security. The
                            only point I really have to make is the social security system is doomed.
                            Our "smart" government has know for years that the largest generation in our
                            nations history is going to start retiring soon and have not done a damn
                            thing to plan/prepare for this. I'm in my mid 30's and I'm already
                            preparing for not having social security or medicade and I'm also preparing
                            to pay incredibly huge amounts in taxes just to keep the system going. Hell
                            the way things look, the day I die is going to be the day I quit working. I
                            know this is a gloomy forcast but I really can see it happening.

                            MT

                            ~~~~~~

                            Pogo:

                            There is a world of difference between the faint scent of wood burning in a
                            fireplace (98% goes up the chimney) and the stink of tobacco poisoning the
                            air as it drifts all over to the nonsmoking section. Horray for Florida for
                            passing the nonsmoking amendment 6 overwhelmingly. 70% for 30% opposed.
                            If you cant give up a lousy cigarette for 1 hour while eating you are in bad
                            shape. Dan Ruth wrote a scathing article in the Tampa Tribune before the
                            election expressing his displeasure to amendment 6. He even suggested mass
                            civil disobedience in the restaurants . I wrote the following, was called by
                            the Trib and said it was being considered for publication, however the
                            Tribune recommended NO to amendment 6 and i believe all replies to Ruth's
                            article were squelshed. Here is my letter:

                            Tampa Tribune Letters:
                            This is at least Ruth's third or fourth commentary on smoking and it's time
                            that he stopped berating those who wish to have the ability to enjoy a meal
                            in a restaurant without having to put up with the stench of cigarette smoke
                            drifting all over and spoiling the occasion. Dan Ruth's ignorance over
                            second hand smoke is appalling. I personally lost a spouse to lung cancer
                            from second hand smoke in 1995. She was never a smoker. However, she worked
                            in an office in the mid 80s to 1994 with 5 others who were literally chain
                            smokers (until 1990 when it was banned). Doctors at Sloan Kettering said
                            that it was the only reasonable conclusion to draw based on her medical
                            history.

                            Ruth's statement "As a smoker, let me put this as concisely as possible: Too
                            &#%$@!& bad!" shows the disregard and contempt he has for the rights of
                            people to clean air. If he cannot restrain himself for one hour while
                            dining he is in bad shape. The comment that we can go to another place to
                            eat is equally stupid. It has been shown conclusively in California that
                            after the "no smoking" law went into effect, there was a brief "protest dip"
                            in business, but following that dip, restaurant business went up and remains
                            so. By the way Dan, how do you fly? Do you show civil disobedience as you
                            ignorantly suggest by sneaking into the plane's toilet area and puff away?
                            Your habit is filthy and I for one do not want to come home from dining with
                            the vile stench of tobacco on my clothing.

                            If amendment 6 passes and I pray it will, and since there will be no
                            Smoking/No Smoking sections, I for one will not hesitate to get up and tell
                            a "civil disobedient " patron go outside and light up or to extinguish it.

                            Chuck in New Port Richey, FL


                            ~~~~~~~

                            "Hi Buff,
                            In your scuttlebutt, there are so many comments on learning the language of
                            the country. While I agree with learning the most commonly used language of
                            a country, there is another language we ALL should learn. Sign language.
                            Statistics show that nearly 95% of people will have contact with a hearing
                            impaired person at some stage during their life. I personally think that
                            this is a very logical language to learn.
                            Rhonda"

                            This is a great idea, except for one thing. My future ex who came from
                            mexico
                            does sign, but the sign in mexico is different than in the US. I am
                            trusting
                            what she says is true....but then again

                            BJ Cassady

                            ~~~~~~~

                            Sorry but Microsoft NOTwork kept me sorta busy the past couple of days
                            trying to undo some of the new fixes that I accepted as fact. I should know
                            better. My pooter wasn't broke so why did I listen and try to fix it. But
                            anyway, To our Aussie Friends that I also served with I would like to submit
                            this by Rudyard Kipling. May not 'ave been written about Aussies but it
                            might as well o been.

                            I went into a theatre as sober as could be
                            they gave a drunk civilian room but adn't none fore me.
                            They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls
                            but when it comes to fightin' Lord' they'll shove me to the stalls!

                            For it's Tommy this and Tommy that, and Tommy wait outside;
                            But it's a special train for Atkins' when the trooper's on the tide--The
                            troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide. O it's a
                            special train for Atkins' when the troopship's on the tide.

                            Yes, makin mock O' uniforms, and they're starvation cheap;
                            An' hostlin' drunken soldiers when we're goin large a bit
                            is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

                            Then it's Tommy this and Tommy that and Tommy ow's your soul? But it's thin
                            red line of 'eroes' when the drums begin to roll, O it's thin red line of
                            'eroes' when the drums begin to roll.

                            We aren't no thin red 'eroes' nor we aren't no blackguards too, but single
                            men in barracks, most remarkable like you;
                            an if sometimes out conduk isn't all your fancy paints, why single men in
                            barracks don't grow into plaster saints,-------

                            For it's Tommy this and Tommy that and chunk him out the brute but it's
                            saviour of his country when the guns begin to shoot; an' it's Tommy this an'
                            Tommy that an' any thing you please; an' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool--you
                            bet that Tommy sees.


                            This I copied from my M.O.C. (Military Order of Cootie) Handbook.


                            We are the unknown soldiers, Comrades,
                            and we think we've got a right,
                            to ask some questions, man to man---
                            Are the Comrades taken care of?
                            Was their victory so sweet?
                            Is the big reward they promiced
                            selling pencils on the street?
                            Did they really win the freedom
                            they battled to achieve?
                            Do they still respect the Battle stars
                            above an empty sleeve?
                            Does the Gold Star in the window
                            now mean anything at all?
                            We wonder how our old girl feels
                            when they hear a bugle call?
                            And remember little kiddies
                            whose Dads fell in the fray?
                            Do they have a helping hand
                            to guide them on their way?
                            We wonder if the profiteers
                            have satisfied their greed?
                            We wonder if the soldier's Mother
                            ever is in need?
                            We wonder if the Kings
                            who planned it all are satisfied?
                            They played their game of Checkers
                            and countless millions died.
                            Oh we'd like to see their faces
                            when they reach the Devil's door,
                            but even there - down in hell
                            there's no torture such as war.
                            We are the unknown soldiers,
                            and maybe we died in vain.
                            But if we were alive and our country called,
                            We'd do it all over again.

                            Author unknown.

                            Oldcat

                            ~~~~~~

                            To: I-M-SCARED

                            Your main problem is that you do not recognize an honest and moral person in
                            the White House when you see one. Your second problem is that you listen to
                            CNN (Clinton News Network). There really is only one cable media new network
                            that presents the unbiased truth and that is Foxnews. You can take ABC,
                            CBS, NBC, CNN, The New York Times and Washington Post and trash them. They
                            present nothing but a complete bias against the Republican Party, GW Bush
                            and VP Dick Cheney.
                            Open your eyes and recognize the reason the Democrats were pulverized last
                            week was because of Senator Dashole's stonewalling EVERY proposal that Pres.
                            Bush and the Republicans brought up before the Senate. The only item they
                            didn't block was the Iraq backing for an attack if it is necessary and that
                            is because the American people would have had a total rebellion. I for one
                            hope that the HR elect the extremist liberal woman from California. That
                            way, we will sweep both houses and re-elect Dubya in a landslide in 2004.

                            Chuck from New Port Richey, FL

                            ~~~~~

                            Cass

                            Looking for a decent mp3 player.. Try the latest version from WinAmp.

                            You can download it from winamp.com or goto downloads.com and search for
                            WinAmp.

                            The other thing is if you are listening to streaming media straight from the
                            net, you have to take into consideration, your connection, your pcs overall
                            speed, their connection and the fidelity of the songs being listened to. If
                            you are on a dialup (56k modem connection) it'll be tough to find a decent
                            site to stream from.

                            If you are trying to "burn" mp3s to a CD as a music cd; try converting the
                            mp3s to WAV prior to burning, that should fix that problem.

                            Confused yet?

                            Let Buffalo know if you would rather discuss this outside of the
                            Scuttlebutt, he knows where to find me.



                            Raymond S. Bowen

                            Never tell them how much they'll inherit.
                            ~~~~~~~



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