112Re: [bowesgenealogy] Re: New Academic Study Being Planned for Males from Bowes Area of England ...
- Jan 31, 2009
Latin chronicles used the term 'Angli' which really referred to a people, from the same area, Angles, this term was wrongly associated with Saxons.
--- On Sat, 31/1/09, mhbowes11 <martha.bowes@...> wrote:
From: mhbowes11 <martha.bowes@...>
Subject: [bowesgenealogy] Re: New Academic Study Being Planned for Males from Bowes Area of England ...
Date: Saturday, 31 January, 2009, 5:33 PMForgive me for not knowing the word "awarte"?
Can you spell this out a bit. I wonder how Ken uses the term (if you know, or I'll ask
him). What is misleading about the term? I noted your earlier mention that Danish and AS
DNA is hard to distinguish.
--- In bowesgenealogy@ yahoogroups. com, Allen Bowes <bowes2000@. ..> wrote:
> not really, we have to awarte of the misleading term 'anglo-saxon' ,
> --- On Sat, 31/1/09, mhbowes11 <martha.bowes@ ...> wrote:
> From: mhbowes11 <martha.bowes@ ...>
> Subject: [bowesgenealogy] Re: New Academic Study Being Planned for Males from
Bowes Area of England ...
> To: bowesgenealogy@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, 31 January, 2009, 5:24 PM
> Meaning most Anglo-Saxons who went to S. England came directly from Germany,
> some Anglo-Saxons who had migrated up to Denmark, then came down into N.
> making a heavier influx in S. England, with a smaller but significant percentage in N.
> --- In bowesgenealogy@ yahoogroups. com, Allen Bowes <bowes2000@ ..> wrote:
> > Hold on to the fact that the name Bowes is strongly attached to North
> Yorkshire/Durham, which just happened to have experienced considerable Danish
> during the 8th to 10th Centuries
> > --- On Sat, 31/1/09, mhbowes11 <martha.bowes@ ...> wrote:
> > From: mhbowes11 <martha.bowes@ ...>
> > Subject: [bowesgenealogy] Re: New Academic Study Being Planned for Males from
> Bowes Area of England ...
> > To: bowesgenealogy@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, 31 January, 2009, 2:29 PM
> > Oops, now it appears the forum poster was more accurate and there is a different
> > of Viking DNA in Yorkshire area:
> > An interesting mention at the bottom of the article: http://www.yorkshir epost.co.
> uk/news/39Time- team39-to- seek-out. 4930477.jp
> > "Most Northerners have either Celtic or Viking blood running through their veins.
> > Although we also think or ourselves as mixed with the French, that is not strictly
> > Historians say the Normans merely established a ruling class to run England after
> > 1066 Conquest and there is no evidence of much movement by ordinary French
> > to England.
> > Although we speak English, Anglo Saxon genes are weak in the North because
> > showed little inclination to move into Celtic territory."
> > My father's Bowes, Viking Y-DNA has been estimated Anglo-Saxon, leaning toward
> > German by Ken Nordvedt, so maybe there are exceptions to Anglo-Saxons up north,
> > maybe Ken's research isn't on point yet, or maybe my line was a Bowes originating
> > another part of England for some reason.
> > Martha
> > --- In bowesgenealogy@ yahoogroups. com, "mhbowes11" <martha.bowes@ ...>
> > >
> > > I guess the forum poster was a little off, in that the study is not as much about
> > > makeup of the region, as it is about whether surname/Y-DNA databases can help
> > > forensic investigators identify a person who is unidentified! There is a 3rd bullet:
> > >
> > > "We will also use surnames to find groups of men who share common paternal
> > ancestors,
> > > and then assess the increased efficiency of searching for shared segments in
> > parts
> > > of the genome in these groups. Our goal here is the demonstration that the
> > > shared DNA fits predictions from family trees, and that Y chromosome type can
> > > general genetic relatedness. This could then be applied to searches for genes
> > in
> > > disease."
> > >
> > > Official site: http://www.le. ac.uk/genetics/ maj4/NewSurnames .html
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In bowesgenealogy@ yahoogroups. com, "mhbowes11" <martha.bowes@ >
> > > >
> > > > From a Guild forum post:
> > > >
> > > > "There has been an interesting account in today's Yorkshire Post concerning a
> > > proposed
> > > > DNA investigation by Leics University who conducted the investigation in the
> > > Wirral/West
> > > > Lancs, recently publicised on the Forum (and in our message list). They are
> > > men
> > > > whose father's father was born in Cumbria, Lancashire, Cheshire, North
> > > Durham
> > > > or Northumberland. The use of modern county titles is somewhat confusing,
> > > Yorks
> > > > includes a very large chunk of the old West Riding - the wider Skipton area etc.,
> > where
> > > > Oddys occurred. I have emailed Dr King to say I would publicise the project on
> > > Guild
> > > > Forum. The samples will be swabs sent through the post. There is no indication
> > > time
> > > > scale, that probably depends on response. I hope it may be of interest to some
> > > GoONS."
> > > >
> > > > I plan to post this to our surname message boards on the web where there are
> > > number of
> > > > posters from that area who've never contacted me re: our DNA study. The study
> > might
> > > not
> > > > say a lot about our surname specifically, but would be nice to be "represented.
> > We're
> > > > certainly an established name there with a matching town name to boot.
> > > >
> > >
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