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Re: [borderpoint] Vietnamese enclave in China [2 Attachments]

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  • Len Nadybal
    Is it really an enclave or a Brunei type of situation? Fromt the small maps, it appears at least there is a connecting maritime waters component to consider.
    Message 1 of 41 , Mar 23, 2013
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      Is it really an enclave or a Brunei type of situation? Fromt the small
      maps, it appears at least there is a connecting maritime waters
      component to consider.
      Len Nadybal


      Maxim Kozlov wrote:
      > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Maxim Kozlov included below]
      >
      > There seems to have been a historic exclave of Vietnam (and later
      > French Indochina) in China, not far to the east of the point where
      > Sno-Vetnamese border touched the sea.
      >
      > On the attached maps Vietnam is a grey area on the left, two other
      > colours are administratve divisions within the province of Guangxi
      > (Kwangsi) of China.
      >
      > Apparently the borders of the exclave are depicted more accurately on
      > the map 'Vietnam1', while on 'Vietnam2' it seems to be out of place
      > (it should be around the small peninsula, not to the west of it).
      >
      > Maxim
      >
      > Attachment(s) from Maxim Kozlov
      >
      > 2 of 2 Photo(s)
      >
      > Vietnam1.jpg
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/39014818/view>
      > Vietnam1.jpg
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/39014818/view>
      > Vietnam2.jpg
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/1431340066/view>
      > Vietnam2.jpg
      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/1431340066/view>
      >
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    • hatisinga
      China Central Television International Channel made a 100 episode television series showcasing the communities along its borders in 2011. The series commenced
      Message 41 of 41 , Jun 16, 2013
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        China Central Television International Channel made a 100 episode television series showcasing the communities along its borders in 2011. The series commenced its first episode in Dongxing, Guangxi province (in southeastern China) and proceeded in a clockwise direction until its last episode in Dandong, Liaoning province (in northeastern China)

        The second episode in this series showcases this former Vietnamese enclave. The area is now part of Fangchenggang in Guangxi province. This episode can be seen in three parts on Youtube. The first part is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckV7BnvIHXE&list=PL87FF30D4914E9B43

        The program says that the islands are now linked to the mainland via causeways. The inhabitants are fishermen. The second part of this episode has a brief view of the river border between this area and China at 08:04 The program also interviewed some centenarians who lived in the area. It appears that their native language is the Guangxi dialect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8M_SjhM0Hg&list=PL87FF30D4914E9B43

        Unlike some other episodes of this series, this episode did not show any boundary markers.

        Richard

        --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...> wrote:
        >
        > There are clearer maps on this Chinese webpage:
        > http://www.ihanjia.com/club/viewthread.php?tid=6289&extra=page%3D1
        > There is also a Chinese wikipedia page on the Jingzhu islands:
        > http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%AC%E6%97%8F%E4%B8%89%E5%B2%9B
        >
        > According to Chinese online sources, Wutou, Wanwei and Shanxin islands were
        > historically Chinese territories. The Vietnamese took control of the area
        > during a local rebellion in Guangxi during the Northern Sung dynasty. The
        > islands were returned to China under the terms of the Sino - French Treaty
        > of 1885. The islands have a total land area of 20.8 sq. km. and a population
        > of 13,000. The area is still inhabited by ethnic Vietnamese.
        >
        > Richard
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Len Nadybal
        > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:08 PM
        > To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Vietnamese enclave in China
        >
        > Is it really an enclave or a Brunei type of situation? Fromt the small
        > maps, it appears at least there is a connecting maritime waters
        > component to consider.
        > Len Nadybal
        >
        >
        > Maxim Kozlov wrote:
        > > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Maxim Kozlov included below]
        > >
        > > There seems to have been a historic exclave of Vietnam (and later
        > > French Indochina) in China, not far to the east of the point where
        > > Sno-Vetnamese border touched the sea.
        > >
        > > On the attached maps Vietnam is a grey area on the left, two other
        > > colours are administratve divisions within the province of Guangxi
        > > (Kwangsi) of China.
        > >
        > > Apparently the borders of the exclave are depicted more accurately on
        > > the map 'Vietnam1', while on 'Vietnam2' it seems to be out of place
        > > (it should be around the small peninsula, not to the west of it).
        > >
        > > Maxim
        > >
        > > Attachment(s) from Maxim Kozlov
        > >
        > > 2 of 2 Photo(s)
        > >
        > > Vietnam1.jpg
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/39014818/view>
        > > Vietnam1.jpg
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/39014818/view>
        > > Vietnam2.jpg
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/1431340066/view>
        > > Vietnam2.jpg
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/1431340066/view>
        > >
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