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Re: Schimmel inn, CZDE -> Kleedorf "enclave"

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  • Peter Smaardijk
    ... but the Kleedorf enclave turns out to be not an enclave! It is part of Horní Paseky municipality, as shown at
    Message 1 of 8 , Feb 29, 2008
      ... but the Kleedorf enclave turns out to be not an enclave! It is
      part of Horní Paseky municipality, as shown at
      http://deskove-hry.110mb.com/cisarske-otisky.php/?katastr=2114-2
      At that time, the "enclave" was already ceded to Saxony (see the
      label "Zu Sachsen", flipped to one side on some scans), but before
      that time linked to Bohemia (Austria) by a Bohemian road.
      Peter
      --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > 1841 cadastre maps of Niederreuth/Dolní Paseky municipality are at:
      > http://deskove-hry.110mb.com/cisarske-otisky.php/?katastr=1356-2
      > Maps 4 and 5 show Röhrichwald/Schimmel/Fichtenhof. The maps are
      > clickable. Zum Schimmel is on map no. 4, near the word "Rohrig".
      > Peter
      >
      > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > An English translation of the 1935 treaty which lies at the basis
      of
      > > the 1937 swap of territories is at
      > > http://untreaty.un.org/unts/60001_120000/19/11/00036516.pdf ; the
      > swap
      > > is entered at points 42 and 49. They are by far the largest
      > > territories
      > > exchanged by this treaty.
      > >
      > > Peter
      > >
      > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
      <smaardijk@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > A couple of months ago, I consulted mr. Erhard Adler, who is
      > > > specialised in the local history of Bad Brambach and
      > surroundings,
      > > > and he gave me some very interesting newspaper clippings about
      > the
      > > > Rohrichwald/Schimmel border anomaly. Here is what I learned:
      > > >
      > > > The small enclave near Kleedorf was abolished sometime in the
      > 19th
      > > > century (possibly in 1830).
      > > >
      > > > The Rohrichwald salient was part of the Saxony-Bohemia border,
      > and
      > > > was demarcated somewhere between 1844 and 1848 (the newspaper
      > > > clippings are a bit contradictory here). The border stones were
      > > > numbered 359 to 482; these two stones were placed at the border
      > > > brook, only about 150 m apart. There were 123 intermediate
      > stones,
      > > > standing on the border of the salient. In 1931, the stones were
      > > > numbered anew; 359 became 14, and 482 became 20 (within border
      > > > section XXIV). The amount of intermediate stones was augmented
      to
      > > > more than 150 (the intermediate border stones were designated
      by
      > > the
      > > > main border stone number, a forward slash, and a subordinate
      > > number.
      > > > This is still the practice on CZDE).
      > > >
      > > > In 1937, the area was transfered to Germany, and an equally
      large
      > > > German area was given to Czechoslovakia in exchange (near
      > > > Rautenkranz, border section XXI, between stones no. 2 and 4).
      One
      > > > intermediate stone was placed between nos. 14 and 20 (14/1); 20
      > was
      > > > renumbered 15, 21 was renumbered 16, etc., up to the last stone
      > of
      > > > section XXIV, no. 29, becoming no. 24.
      > > >
      > > > In 1978/79, all stones along the Czech-GDR border were
      replaced,
      > > > which means that only the old, not working pre-1937 stones
      around
      > > > Rohrichwald and near Rautenkranz were left untouched (for the
      > > > Rautenkranz stones, this is only partly true, since all but 22
      > > > intermediate stones, and main stone no. 3, were transfered from
      > the
      > > > old to the new border; so only those 22 are still there, in
      > > Czechia).
      > > >
      > > > The story that the old border was running through the
      > > inn "Schimmel"
      > > > is not true, and certainly a publicity stunt of the innkeeper.
      > The
      > > > border ran as close to the building as possible, but the
      building
      > > was
      > > > firmly in Czechoslovakia, bearing house number 98 of
      > > > Niederreuth/Dolní Paseky municipality. So was the house of the
      > > > railway signal man (house no. 99); although being an employee
      of
      > > the
      > > > Reichsbahn, he got his wages in Czech crowns.
      > > >
      > > > The funny part is that in 1924 the German foreign office
      received
      > a
      > > > letter from a mr. Köhler, acting on behalf of the independent
      > > > republic of Fichtenhof, consisting of the Rohrichwald salient!
      > The
      > > > German government clearly did not know what to make of this
      > letter,
      > > > asking for recognition and treaties (a.o. a mail treaty,
      > > > called "emergency treaty" ("Notvertrag")) with Germany, and
      asked
      > > the
      > > > German embassy in Prague to find out what was happening there.
      > The
      > > > German officials in Czechoslovakia couldn't find anything out
      > about
      > > > either the republic of Fichtenhof or mr. Köhler, and advised
      > their
      > > > government to ignore the letter, but also said that there was a
      > > > widely felt feeling of discrimination among the German people
      in
      > > > Sudetenland, resenting the fact that the Czech language was
      > forced
      > > > upon them, and that this sentiment might well have been at the
      > > basis
      > > > of the proclamation of the country of Fichtenhof...
      > > >
      > > > Peter
      > > >
      > > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Smaardijk
      <smaardijk@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Two pieces of map copied from http://oldmaps.geolab.cz ; one
      > from
      > > a
      > > > > series made in 1836-52, and another from 1877-80. In the
      first
      > > one,
      > > > > there is even an enclave there!
      > > > > Peter
      > > > > --- Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > > One link doesn't work like it should. For the interactive
      map
      > > of
      > > > > > Saxony, try http://tinyurl.com/yg3w5n
      > > > > > Peter
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
      > > <smaardijk@>
      > > > > >
      > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I just came across an entry in the guestbook of Chris'
      site
      > (
      > > > > > > http://www.gb-x.de/gbuch.php?forum_id=9308 ), where it is
      > > said
      > > > that
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > there was a border adjustment between Germany and
      > > > Czechoslovakia in
      > > > > >
      > > > > > > 1936 or 1937, concerning a part of Niederreuth
      municipality
      > > > > > (nowadays
      > > > > > > Dolní Paseky), that became German, and another area that
      > > became
      > > > > > > Czech. In the first area, there allegedly was an inn,
      > called
      > > > > > > Schimmel, and that it was really _on_ the border.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > A picture of Schimmel is at
      > > > > > > http://82.165.28.118/shop/ak/62/626676.jpg (in 1916). The
      > > > really
      > > > > > > weird pre-1936/7 border, cutting through the Vogtlandbahn
      > > > railway
      > > > > > yet
      > > > > > > another two times, can be seen at
      > > > > > > http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/30-50.jpg
      (NW
      > > > > > > of "Brambach", E of "Niederrth.", co-ord. 50d 14 m N, 29d
      > 58m
      > > E
      > > > of
      > > > > > > Ferro).
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Does anyone have other information on this border swap
      > and/or
      > > > the
      > > > > > > inn, e.g. an agreement text, or pictures? Schimmel can be
      > > seen
      > > > on
      > > > > > the
      > > > > > > interactive map at http://www.umwelt.sachsen.de/
      (Digitales
      > > > > > > Wasserbuch > interaktive Karte) (it is NW of Bad
      Brambach,
      > in
      > > > the
      > > > > > > southern corner of Saxony).
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Peter
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
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      > > >
      > >
      >
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