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  • Derek Waters
    Hi John Until someone more knowledgeable can fill in the gaps, here are a couple of pointers to sizing charts. I can t recall the reference source, but have a
    Message 1 of 8 , Oct 7, 2000
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      Hi John

      Until someone more knowledgeable can fill in the gaps, here are a couple of
      pointers to sizing charts. I can't recall the reference source, but have a
      vague recollection of a story linking nail weights, an abbreviated form
      being read as a lowercase 'd', and an erroneous link to the old British
      abbreviation for pennies in coinage (also a lowercase 'd')... Or maybe I
      just dreamt all that :)

      http://www.bobvila.com/nail.htm
      http://www.huntfamily.com/nail_sizes.htm

      Derek
    • freedem@excite.com
      The two stories I heard was at one time it was standar to buy nails in lots of 100 and the cost was set at 16 pennys for 100 3 and 1/2 inch nails this is total
      Message 2 of 8 , Oct 7, 2000
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        The two stories I heard was at one time it was standar to buy nails
        in
        lots of 100 and the cost was set at 16 pennys for 100 3 and 1/2 inch
        nails

        this is total speculation and vague memories because the other way 4
        pennys for a pound of small nails makes no cents ( pardon the pun) as
        it took about as much work to hand make a 4 penny nail as a 16 penny
        and definitly easyer make fewer nails per pound in the larger sizes.

        Or at one time nails were so presious that it cost 16 pennys for one
        3 and a half inch nail, nah
        Jeffery


        --- In bolger@egroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
        > Hi John
        >
        > Until someone more knowledgeable can fill in the gaps, here are a
        couple of
        > pointers to sizing charts. I can't recall the reference source, but
        have a
        > vague recollection of a story linking nail weights, an abbreviated
        form
        > being read as a lowercase 'd', and an erroneous link to the old
        British
        > abbreviation for pennies in coinage (also a lowercase 'd')... Or
        maybe I
        > just dreamt all that :)
        >
        > http://www.bobvila.com/nail.htm
        > http://www.huntfamily.com/nail_sizes.htm
      • StepHydro@aol.com
        In a message dated 10/07/2000 10: this is total speculation and vague memories because the other
        Message 3 of 8 , Oct 7, 2000
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          In a message dated 10/07/2000 10:<BR18:<BR36 AM
          Eastern Daylight, freedem@... writes:> this is total speculation and
          vague memories because the other way 4
          > pennys for a pound of small nails makes no cents ( pardon the pun) as
          > it took about as much work to hand make a 4 penny nail as a 16 penny
          > and definitly easyer make fewer nails per pound in the larger sizes.


          When this convention started, materials were expensive and human lobor had
          essentially no value :-(

          It makes sense after all, as they were buying steel with the addition of an
          equal (and trivial) amount of labor added to each nail regardless of size.

          It seems that Highland Hardware's catalog had a screed about this 8 years ago
          or so.

          Cheers/Step
        • Vince Chew
          All, According to my old Webster s Collegiate Dictionary, penny was the original price per hundred of nails. In merry olde England the value of a penny was
          Message 4 of 8 , Oct 7, 2000
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            All,

            According to my old Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, "penny" was the
            original price per hundred of nails. In merry olde England the value of
            a penny was 1/240th of a pound sterling (now it is 1/100th). So 100
            sixteenpenny or 16D nails would have originally cost 16 pennies (the
            old kind). The letter D used in nail sizes probably comes from the
            Latin for penny or pence: dinarius, dinarii (pl.). They liked to use
            Latin in ye olde England.

            Vince
          • Jeff Gilbert
            Perhaps this had something to do with their being invaded by the Romans.? They brought Latin with them, and for my crime of being in the so-called top class
            Message 5 of 8 , Oct 7, 2000
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              Perhaps this had something to do with
              their being invaded by the Romans.?
              They brought Latin with them, and for
              my crime of being in the so-called "top"
              class I was forced to choke it down
              in the English Based NZ
              Public School System in the "swung" 60's.
              Eng. ditty (on topic)
              "The English, the English, The English are best,
              I wouldn't give Tuppence for all of the Rest!"
              Jeff Gilbert
              Unwilling Latin & Failed History Student.


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Vince Chew <vachew@...>
              <snip> The letter D used in nail sizes probably comes from the
              Latin for penny or pence: dinarius, dinarii (pl.). They liked to use
              Latin in ye olde England.
            • John Ewing
              Thank you for the Web links, Derek. I have printed the charts to be found there and will keep them handy when reading Payson et al and require a translation
              Message 6 of 8 , Oct 8, 2000
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                Thank you for the Web links, Derek. I have printed the charts to be
                found there and will keep them handy when reading Payson et al and
                require a translation for nail sizes. I also thank other contributors
                for their historical backgrounds. But I have to wonder why Americans
                would continue an archaic English system -- a code, really -- while
                Canadians use straightforward, specific size references for nails.
                We're the ones who are supposed to be more closely linked to
                the 'mother country'. ;-)

                jce, Victoria


                --- In bolger@egroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
                > Hi John
                >
                > Until someone more knowledgeable can fill in the gaps, here are a
                couple of
                > pointers to sizing charts. I can't recall the reference source, but
                have a
                > vague recollection of a story linking nail weights, an abbreviated
                form
                > being read as a lowercase 'd', and an erroneous link to the old
                British
                > abbreviation for pennies in coinage (also a lowercase 'd')... Or
                maybe I
                > just dreamt all that :)
                >
                > http://www.bobvila.com/nail.htm
                > http://www.huntfamily.com/nail_sizes.htm
                >
                > Derek
              • freedem@excite.com
                Two theorys why the US sticks to the old systems like staying with feet inches miles rather than switching to metric first there is a stubern streak of freedom
                Message 7 of 8 , Oct 9, 2000
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                  Two theorys why the US sticks to the old systems like staying with
                  feet inches miles rather than switching to metric
                  first there is a stubern streak of freedom loving in at least part of
                  the population and we do not like to change no matter how hard the
                  goverment pushes. further we tend to train our jobs people on the
                  job
                  where I understand the germans for example train most of their
                  workers
                  in special high schools
                  plus while the us is actualt similar in size to Canada we are
                  rather more spread out notas concentrated as I understand about 90%
                  of
                  the canadian population is with in 100 miles of the Us border? finaly
                  I would psychologicaly think its only 27 miles to our captal city not
                  42 klicks ;-)
                  Jeffery

                  --- In bolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
                  > Thank you for the Web links, Derek. I have printed the charts to be
                  > found there and will keep them handy when reading Payson et al and
                  > require a translation for nail sizes. I also thank other
                  contributors
                  > for their historical backgrounds. But I have to wonder why
                  Americans
                  > would continue an archaic English system -- a code, really -- while
                  > Canadians use straightforward, specific size references for nails.
                  > We're the ones who are supposed to be more closely linked to
                  > the 'mother country'. ;-)
                  >
                  > jce, Victoria
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In bolger@egroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
                  > > Hi John
                  > >
                  > > Until someone more knowledgeable can fill in the gaps, here are a
                  > couple of
                  > > pointers to sizing charts. I can't recall the reference source,
                  but
                  > have a
                  > > vague recollection of a story linking nail weights, an
                  abbreviated
                  > form
                  > > being read as a lowercase 'd', and an erroneous link to the old
                  > British
                  > > abbreviation for pennies in coinage (also a lowercase 'd')... Or
                  > maybe I
                  > > just dreamt all that :)
                  > >
                  > > http://www.bobvila.com/nail.htm
                  > > http://www.huntfamily.com/nail_sizes.htm
                  > >
                • Peter Vanderwaart
                  ... I think that sheer market power has a lot to do with it. US companies don t see that they have to make the change in order to have access to enough
                  Message 8 of 8 , Oct 9, 2000
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                    > Two theorys why the US sticks to the old systems like staying with
                    > feet inches miles rather than switching to metric.

                    I think that sheer market power has a lot to do with it. US companies
                    don't see that they have to make the change in order to have access
                    to enough customers.

                    PHV
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