Re: [bolger] H.M.S. Bounty Sunk!
- After chatter elsewhere, I may be confused on this:- Is this BOUNTY actually 100% wood ?
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F----- Original Message -----From: Pierce NicholsSent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:40 PMSubject: RE: [bolger] H.M.S. Bounty Sunk!
She was built in 1960 for the Marlon Brando version of Mutiny on the Bounty. According to Wikipedia, she drew 13 ft.On Oct 30, 2012 9:29 AM, "Ed Drapela" <edrapela@...> wrote:
I don’t think that this vessel was the ROSE modified to play BOUNTY with Russell Crowe (If I remember right) but the modified Scandinavian vessel that played BOUNTY with Marlon Brando.
This is a very serious issue - on our minds for a long time in this office.
A good while back, Phil was asked by WOODENBOAT to review Capt. Parrott's book on tall-ship losses "Tall Ship Down". As part of the effort we went through running some numbers and detailing on feasibility and relative necessary efforts of upgrading such structures towards greater safety. Examining several of our conventional wooden-construction designs we mentioned in that review that our HMS ROSE (#225) could be made quite sinking-resistant with certain non-destructive doable, fiscally-plausible wooden-structure-correct measures, with limited impact on her daily utility. That thinking was put in this widely-publicized written format to cover certain serious issues, should ROSE ever suffer the fate of BOUNTY.
None of the ROSE owners did take advantage of this significant opportunity to upgrade her safety. Neither did any of the other designers or owners of their tall ships...
And new ones are designed and built without such measures, with the (frustrated) Coast Guard insisting on water-tight bulkheads at least. But if a plank failed across that bulkhead you are down 2 out of perhaps 4 or 5 volumes ?!
Sooner or later - now ? - that will 'hit the fan' for certain parties and then the replica fleet. Not upgrading that whole class of vessels may come to drive up if not de facto ruin the insurability and general reputation of conventionally-built wooden types, particularly these larger types.
Wooden Replicas do not necessarily have to sink upon breach of their hull and loss of pumping capability.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----
From: Pierce Nichols
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] H.M.S. Bounty Sunk!
Bounty was over 400 tons... and should have been ok in the conditions she sank in (40 kt wind, 18 foot seas). The reported flooding rate (two feet per hour, which pencils out to around ten gallons per second) was high enough that she must have had a substantial hole in her. The only things I can think of that could put that kind of hole in an otherwise sound ship are a sprung plank or the catastrophic failure of a through-hull fitting.
It's not clear if that flood rate was with or without working manual dewatering pumps. It wouldn't matter all that much, since there is no way the crew on board could have kept up with a 10 gps leak with manual pumps for more than an hour.
Given what I've seen on the tragedy so far, I strongly suspect a serious error of omission or commission on the part of the yard was the ultimate cause of the loss.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:56 AM, <captainrocky@...> wrote:
As a 100 ton USCG charter boat captain of 30 yrs I can tell you guys 2 things . Bilge pumps will always fail when you need them most and you must always check weather forecasts in advance of long voyages. This storm was brewing in the Caribbean for 10 days and was tracked very well on the weather channels. No surprise to anyone living in Fl. for sure . The route for the Bounty was Connecticut to St. Pete fl. Why in the hell would you ever leave port knowing you would have to sail thru that system at one point in your voyage. Poor decisions cost lives. As Gov. Christie would say "don't be stupid!" Rocky
This is a deep draft vessel not capable of giong up some creek to seek refuge. The safest place for any vessel during a hurricane is accually at sea where it will not be pounded ti bits against a warf or pier. There are no idiots on a vessel of this sort. That statement is an insult to the sailors that were on board.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Ed Drapela <edrapela@...> wrote:
What idiot would take a vessel out of harbor in a hurricane? Shouldn’t the Captain headed up river and secured the vessel is a less vulnerable creek? Call me old fashioned but isn’t that the mark of a Captain?