Re: [bolger] Re: Old Shoe-type MICRO ?
- Now I know this is the Bolger group but I was lucky to be able to crew with Mike Monies on the Red Scamp this past FL120. I haven't been able to sail an Old Shoe yet so I can't really compare the two. But I can tell you about the Scamp. At 11'11" LOA you know it's not a rocket ship but it'll surprise you, it's a little faster than you think it should be. In a moderate breeze, it'll make 4.5 to 5 knots. It has a centerboard and with board up it drafts 8". It has water ballast but Mike replaced it with two series 31 batteries for a 60# trolling motor. He widened the seats over the stock design and the benches are long enough for my 6'2" frame to sleep comfortably (by the third night I was tired of pitching my tent). The winds varied between bob-n-bake and a fresh breeze so we never reefed. I think we loosed the sheet once to spill a gust over four days. I tacked past the Pensacola Pass on a falling tide with a 15-20 knot head wind. It created a pretty steep 5 foot chop that I tacked right through without any problem. In that situation we were tacking around 100 degrees. The Scamp has a safe feel to it.Tell me how an Old Shoe compares,John BoyI have a blog! http://toon2sailor.blogspot.com/“Seaward ho! Hang the treasure! It's the glory of the sea that has turned my head.”Robert Louis Stevenson, Treasure Island
From: John Trussell <jtrussell2@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Old Shoe-type MICRO ?
I think that Scamp is more analogous to Old Shoe. Both are short, wide boats with considerable ballast/displacement. My guess is that Old Shoe has more initial stability and less ultimate stability than Scamp. Both offer comfortable places for the crew to sit in large cockpits. Arguably, Scamp is a little prettier than Old Shoe (though neither will ever qualify as a beauty) and Old Shoe is probably quicker to build (though the lead keel adds challenge). I’m an old man and I need a comfortable cockpit and an easily managed daysailor that will take care of me without requiring agility or strength. I purchased and studied both sets of plans and I am currently building a Scamp. But it was a close, close call.JohnTFrom: email@example.com [mailto: firstname.lastname@example.org ] On Behalf Of c.ruzer
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 8:27 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Old Shoe-type MICRO ?
I don't see how 12ft x 5ft Scamp covers Micro/open-Micro. It covers the 14ft x 7ft Seaboots which goes closer to the 15ft x 6ft Micro. ..You can also place an influential amount of ballast inside 12ft x 5ft Japanese Beach Cruiser, maybe water even.
Compare Seaboots by Tom Dunderdale, known here for his Light Dory Type V builds and Archaeopterix inspired Moth scows.
--- In email@example.com, "Brian" <brianincorv@...> wrote:
> Yes, I know that there's a tabernacle option on the Micro. It's a questionof whether it's worth it to me to make major mods on my old Micro, or go in another direction. SCAMP is a very interesting design that I have been following for some time. At the moment, we're going to sail the Micro a few more times and then see if we'd prefer to change to a smaller, lighter sail and oar type of craft.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org,"MylesJ. Swift" <mswift@> wrote:
> > Have you seen the updates for Micro? Converts to a mast in tabernacleNo virus found in this message.
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- Thanks for your interest.
The work was done in 2004, then covered in MAIB Sept. 1, 2004 Vol. 22, No 8 p.28-29. We referred to it as 'MICRO-2'.
To the plans for Design #422 MICRO across three additional sheets were added modifications doable on any existing MICRO hull:
- shorter mainmast - 18'4" versus 23' -
- battened gaff main-sail for an overall sail-area of 210 versus 176, plus 65 sq. foot reaching spinnaker
- all set in a bow-tabernacle, bringing her hull-length to just over 16 feet,
- gaff mizzen on 2-foot shorter mizzen-mast
- moderate-angle fillets under her bow.
As stated in the MAIB piece in 2004, these three upgrade sheets are $75.
The complete plans-package has grown over the decades from 6 to 11 sheets and is available for $250 to build one boat.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----From: Dave GentrySent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:59 PMSubject: [bolger] Re: Old Shoe-type MICRO ?
--- In email@example.com, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:
> I don't believe that is well-known. Is it possible to purchase just
> this sheet?
> > Myles,
> > in case your experience amongst waves would be alleviated by
> > this, MICRO has had a set of (addable) Vee-Nose fillets forward for
> > a good number of years now.
Yes, first I've heard of it, as well. Perhaps it's on the navigator plans . . . I haven't really studied them.
Anyway, they sound like a worthy addition. If I still had the Micro I built, I'd likely want them.