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  • adkgoodboat
    I m poring over Phil s drawings for the tabernacles and Chinese gaff sails on the Micro Ii and Navigator, thinking that I might complete Charles McCabe s Micro
    Message 1 of 7 , Apr 20 6:56 AM
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      I'm poring over Phil's drawings for the tabernacles and Chinese gaff sails on the Micro Ii and Navigator, thinking that I might complete Charles McCabe's Micro (which I just bought and would sell or complete for a customer, if found) as either a Micro II or Navigator, for myself. That might be the shortest distance between me and semi-serious cruising capability. Would love advice and commentary from people with experience of these boats and rigs. 
      Questions and observations for comment:
      • A regular Micro, given the tabernacle of Micro II but keeping her leg-o'-mutton rig, would have her mast a few inches forward and without rake. This would move the CE forward and her clew upward, to the detriment of the sheeting angle. Doesn't seem a great idea, especially for the high clew.  What do folks think of that option?
      • The Chinese gaff rig for Micros has so much more sail area! 210 ft vs 89ft! What do you make of that? I know it can be reefed easily. Is it assumed you reef in 10 knots? My standard Micro does hull speed or more with that much air and almost never needs reefing. Is all that sail just to have more speed in light air? 
      • The Chinese gaff's center of effort is way forward of the standard rig's. What's the result? Does it balance equally well? Is the mizzen much more in play?
      • The CE is also way higher. With all that horsepower higher up, is Micro's great stability far more challenged? Is the Navigator as wonderfully secure-feeling as the standard Micro?
      • It looks as though the C-gaff main is much better sheeted in Navigator than in Micro II, with one sheet to the cabin-top. 
      • Anybody try the bottom fillet? I might try it on my standard Micro, because the slap is really something in that boat.
      I didn't get a building and rigging key, if there is one, with the plans from Charles. Am asking Susanne for one, and will get the later version of Small Boat Rigs which has Phil's essay on the Chinese gaff, not present in 100 SBR.
      Basically it looks to me as though Navigator would be the way to go to get the full benefit of the rig. It looks as though Navigator would be very comfortable and convenient. Not dealing with sprit-booms would be nice. Just dropping those sails in their lazyjacks and hoisting them quickly at will would be so nice. Going forward within the cabin to the bow well would be nice, all but ducking under the forward window.  Sleeping in the cabin, nice. Bookshelves!  Dressers! The stern is now open, I think? Better for my Honda 7.5. It's really tempting. But I want to hear from people with experience, please.
      And, again, I would love to complete this Micro for a customer, whichever way, if a customer is out there. This is supposed to be a business too.


    • steve statkus
      I m looking for a project and have plans for a Micro and Long Micro but would rather buy one partially complete. Your thoughts? Steve Statkus
      Message 2 of 7 , Apr 20 11:39 AM
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        I'm looking for a project and have plans for a Micro and Long Micro but would rather buy one partially complete.  Your thoughts?

        Steve Statkus

        On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, adkgoodboat <masonsmith@...> wrote:
         

        I'm poring over Phil's drawings for the tabernacles and Chinese gaff sails on the Micro Ii and Navigator, thinking that I might complete Charles McCabe's Micro (which I just bought and would sell or complete for a customer, if found) as either a Micro II or Navigator, for myself. That might be the shortest distance between me and semi-serious cruising capability. Would love advice and commentary from people with experience of these boats and rigs. 
        Questions and observations for comment:
        • A regular Micro, given the tabernacle of Micro II but keeping her leg-o'-mutton rig, would have her mast a few inches forward and without rake. This would move the CE forward and her clew upward, to the detriment of the sheeting angle. Doesn't seem a great idea, especially for the high clew.  What do folks think of that option?
        • The Chinese gaff rig for Micros has so much more sail area! 210 ft vs 89ft! What do you make of that? I know it can be reefed easily. Is it assumed you reef in 10 knots? My standard Micro does hull speed or more with that much air and almost never needs reefing. Is all that sail just to have more speed in light air? 
        • The Chinese gaff's center of effort is way forward of the standard rig's. What's the result? Does it balance equally well? Is the mizzen much more in play?
        • The CE is also way higher. With all that horsepower higher up, is Micro's great stability far more challenged? Is the Navigator as wonderfully secure-feeling as the standard Micro?
        • It looks as though the C-gaff main is much better sheeted in Navigator than in Micro II, with one sheet to the cabin-top. 
        • Anybody try the bottom fillet? I might try it on my standard Micro, because the slap is really something in that boat.
        I didn't get a building and rigging key, if there is one, with the plans from Charles. Am asking Susanne for one, and will get the later version of Small Boat Rigs which has Phil's essay on the Chinese gaff, not present in 100 SBR.
        Basically it looks to me as though Navigator would be the way to go to get the full benefit of the rig. It looks as though Navigator would be very comfortable and convenient. Not dealing with sprit-booms would be nice. Just dropping those sails in their lazyjacks and hoisting them quickly at will would be so nice. Going forward within the cabin to the bow well would be nice, all but ducking under the forward window.  Sleeping in the cabin, nice. Bookshelves!  Dressers! The stern is now open, I think? Better for my Honda 7.5. It's really tempting. But I want to hear from people with experience, please.
        And, again, I would love to complete this Micro for a customer, whichever way, if a customer is out there. This is supposed to be a business too.



      • Mason Smith
        My thoughts are that you could hardly do better than to buy this outfit I just bought from Charles McCabe, as it is. It s well built, with a very strong custom
        Message 3 of 7 , Apr 21 6:40 AM
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          My thoughts are that you could hardly do better than to buy this outfit I just bought from Charles McCabe, as it is. It’s well built, with a very strong custom trailer with extension tongue. What needs finishing is relatively minor. I think I will have excellent sails for it, almost brand new, in a few days. Could supply a great motor (that needs its idling passages cleared).

           

          Another set of thoughts. Buy my finished Micro complete. It’s about to get some spring spruce-up work. Has great trailer, great sails, great motor, and my experimental swinging plate centerboard, hung on the ballast keel for a little better pointing. You could find some work to do on it if you try: its rub-rails are not to plan, yet, though I aim to make them so. And fresh paint.

           

          Another: let me do some work on the new Micro, so I make a little money on the deal and you get sailing quicker. ---Mason

        • steve statkus
          MASON, Where are you located? Got photos? Any idea of what you d want for the almost finished micro? Steve ... MASON, Where are you located?  Got photos? 
          Message 4 of 7 , Apr 21 8:09 AM
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            MASON,

            Where are you located?  Got photos?  Any idea of what you'd want for the almost finished micro?

            Steve

            On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Mason Smith <masonsmith@...> wrote:
             

            My thoughts are that you could hardly do better than to buy this outfit I just bought from Charles McCabe, as it is. It’s well built, with a very strong custom trailer with extension tongue. What needs finishing is relatively minor. I think I will have excellent sails for it, almost brand new, in a few days. Could supply a great motor (that needs its idling passages cleared).

             

            Another set of thoughts. Buy my finished Micro complete. It’s about to get some spring spruce-up work. Has great trailer, great sails, great motor, and my experimental swinging plate centerboard, hung on the ballast keel for a little better pointing. You could find some work to do on it if you try: its rub-rails are not to plan, yet, though I aim to make them so. And fresh paint.

             

            Another: let me do some work on the new Micro, so I make a little money on the deal and you get sailing quicker. ---Mason


          • Mason Smith
            I d sell the almost-finished Micro for what I have in it and a 15% commission, if I don t do any work. That would be $805, and if I have bought the sails I m
            Message 5 of 7 , Apr 22 8:07 AM
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              I’d sell the almost-finished Micro for what I have in it and a 15% commission, if I don’t do any work. That would be $805, and if I have bought the sails I’m looking at, it would be $1293.75. That’s if somebody buys it quickly. If I have it around here long I’ll be doing stuff toward completing it and the shop rate would apply, or some percentage thereof. I would let the Honda 7.5 go for $750. How quickly a boat adds up!---Mason

            • steve statkus
              Do you have photos? I would want the sails. Trailer? Don t do any work. Tell me what the state of the boat is. Can we talk? Steve 513-576-9080 ... Do you
              Message 6 of 7 , Apr 22 5:53 PM
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                Do you have photos?  I would want the sails.  Trailer?  Don't do any work.
                Tell me what the state of the boat is. Can we talk?

                Steve  513-576-9080

                On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Mason Smith <masonsmith@...> wrote:
                 

                I’d sell the almost-finished Micro for what I have in it and a 15% commission, if I don’t do any work. That would be $805, and if I have bought the sails I’m looking at, it would be $1293.75. That’s if somebody buys it quickly. If I have it around here long I’ll be doing stuff toward completing it and the shop rate would apply, or some percentage thereof. I would let the Honda 7.5 go for $750. How quickly a boat adds up!---Mason


              • Mason Smith
                I ve still got two nice Micros, one finished one not, and would ideally sell the unfinished one. If I sell my Pelican, the finished one, I would be tempted to
                Message 7 of 7 , Jan 7, 2013
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                  I’ve still got two nice Micros, one finished one not, and would ideally sell the unfinished one. If I sell my Pelican, the finished one, I would be tempted to switch masts and booms, since I just made new ones, and sails and trailer, which I like better, and then finish the unfinished one for myself. ---Mason

                   

                  From: bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve statkus
                  Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 2:40 PM
                  To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [bolger] Micro, Micro II, Micro Navigator

                   

                   

                  I'm looking for a project and have plans for a Micro and Long Micro but would rather buy one partially complete.  Your thoughts?

                  Steve Statkus

                  On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, adkgoodboat <masonsmith@...> wrote:

                   

                  I'm poring over Phil's drawings for the tabernacles and Chinese gaff sails on the Micro Ii and Navigator, thinking that I might complete Charles McCabe's Micro (which I just bought and would sell or complete for a customer, if found) as either a Micro II or Navigator, for myself. That might be the shortest distance between me and semi-serious cruising capability. Would love advice and commentary from people with experience of these boats and rigs. 

                  Questions and observations for comment:

                  • A regular Micro, given the tabernacle of Micro II but keeping her leg-o'-mutton rig, would have her mast a few inches forward and without rake. This would move the CE forward and her clew upward, to the detriment of the sheeting angle. Doesn't seem a great idea, especially for the high clew.  What do folks think of that option?
                  • The Chinese gaff rig for Micros has so much more sail area! 210 ft vs 89ft! What do you make of that? I know it can be reefed easily. Is it assumed you reef in 10 knots? My standard Micro does hull speed or more with that much air and almost never needs reefing. Is all that sail just to have more speed in light air? 
                  • The Chinese gaff's center of effort is way forward of the standard rig's. What's the result? Does it balance equally well? Is the mizzen much more in play?
                  • The CE is also way higher. With all that horsepower higher up, is Micro's great stability far more challenged? Is the Navigator as wonderfully secure-feeling as the standard Micro?
                  • It looks as though the C-gaff main is much better sheeted in Navigator than in Micro II, with one sheet to the cabin-top. 
                  • Anybody try the bottom fillet? I might try it on my standard Micro, because the slap is really something in that boat.

                  I didn't get a building and rigging key, if there is one, with the plans from Charles. Am asking Susanne for one, and will get the later version of Small Boat Rigs which has Phil's essay on the Chinese gaff, not present in 100 SBR.

                  Basically it looks to me as though Navigator would be the way to go to get the full benefit of the rig. It looks as though Navigator would be very comfortable and convenient. Not dealing with sprit-booms would be nice. Just dropping those sails in their lazyjacks and hoisting them quickly at will would be so nice. Going forward within the cabin to the bow well would be nice, all but ducking under the forward window.  Sleeping in the cabin, nice. Bookshelves!  Dressers! The stern is now open, I think? Better for my Honda 7.5. It's really tempting. But I want to hear from people with experience, please.

                  And, again, I would love to complete this Micro for a customer, whichever way, if a customer is out there. This is supposed to be a business too.

                   

                   

                   

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