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  • c o'donnell
    About John Kohnen s comment. 0. I agree with John. Getting all twisted-knickery over something at third hand is a waste of brain cells. 1. Get off the
    Message 1 of 58 , Oct 3, 2010
      About John  Kohnen's comment.

      0. I agree with John. Getting all twisted-knickery over something at third hand is a waste of brain cells.

      1. Get off the "cutthroat competition in boat plans" wagon. There's been enough trash talk over the years, apparently there have been some less-than-straight-up plans sellers, but you know, there are screwups in every business and every industry. That includes "screwups" -- people who take advantage -- and also screwups as in "sh** happens."

      2. Frankly, everyone is better off now that people can use the Web to find and purchase plans, to show progress on their boat on a blog or using a photo host, and communicate widely about things that work and things that don't. It might be the best place to put a cleat on a certain design, how to pull a kayak with a mountain bike, or a mistake on blueprints, or what have you. 

      There was a time when, if someone was selling plans and they were Australian or British, well, good luck getting them. It was costly, slow and rather annoying.

      If anyone is the big gorilla in boat plans, it's Chesapeake Light Craft, not Duckworks. I know at one point there was some thought there of handling some of Phil's plans -- many years back. I don't know what happened to the notion or whether it was ever raised with Phil, but I can assure you John Harris is a longtime Bolger fan, not a "competitor" in anything but the most general sense.

      But if Susanne's skills don't run to filling plans orders, it might be a good thing for everyone for her to sell through one or another established source. That's her decision, not anyone else's.

      3. Designing boats and selling plans are two very different skills. John at CLC designs boats, he does some promotion since it is after all his copany, but he's not on the phone taking orders. In essence, he has employees for that because filling orders is not a good use of *his* time.

      Why anyone would want to re-invent the centerboard when there are operations like CLC and Duckworks (and, yes, Dynamite Payson) that handle plans on the Web and by phone is beyond me. Life's too short, folks. Go sailing instead.

      4. MAIB is a user-group magazine, nothing more and nothing less. Just because a Bolger cartoon showed up there doesn't mean Bob Hicks has anything to do with problems between a customer and PBF. You might as well say Duckworks is MAIB's cutthroat competitor while you're at it. You'd be wrong, but why not say it?


      === craig o'donnell
      Box 66 Still Pond Md 21667

    • Eric
      Nels, Of course stock plans should be mailed in a reasonable amount of time if the business is able to. For the past year it has not been able to. As for
      Message 58 of 58 , Oct 7, 2010

        Of course stock plans should be mailed in a reasonable amount of time if the business is able to. For the past year it has not been able to.

        As for commissions. Ask anyone who has dealt with an artist. Even with the best of intentions an artist cannot necessarily finish commissions in the order they are received. Some are begun with an obsessive inspiration are not a full enough expression to carry to completion. If you think it is any less frustrating to the artist than to the person who has commissioned the art you are wrong. Committing to a themed gallery show when the work is not already existent, is a sure way to disaster, usually fudging to get by and have something to fill the space.

        A Mr. Cunningham asked Phil to design the AS-29 quite a few years before Phil was inspired to design the AS-29. At least the words Cunningham wrote were nearly identical to my own and the AS-29 is the boat I was going to ask Phil to design. Phil's response in SBJ was classic Phil, and floored me. ROGUE's interior is in function and many respects layout nearly identical to AS-29. What is to get mad about? Other things were inspiring Phil, and some of those boats have been built and have given people pleasure. Phil's design work has inspired other designers. I felt mighty discouraged reading Phil's response to Mr. Cunningham, but I certainly didn't feel any animosity. Later I felt irony that he did design the AS-29, but anger, no.

        My response was to order more design books, and read and re-read again all the books I had. In the end I wanted a Bolger boat, and because he wouldn't design the boat I wanted, I radically modified a Bolger hull form and liberally drew from a whole boat load of Bolger ideas in my making the boat I wanted.

        The people who are not getting their designs fast enough can stop the process and try another designer. Can try their own hand and show their ideas to perhaps inspire results. Or they can be patient. In his books Phil shows at least on boat design that did not work because of too much effort and too little inspiration, and though commissioned and no doubt paid for, was never built.

        As for character, there is an award winning power boat design that Phil discouraged a potential buyer from pursuing because Phil did not think the boat would be a good investment. Phil lost a commission for a design. And the waters were not graced with an inspired design.

        --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
        > Bruce,
        > I have to wonder how offering plans for sale in MAIB does not suggest
        > some sort of obligation to send them once they are ordered? Or at least
        > respond to inquiries about them. Or do you suggest one just send the
        > money and hope they show up sometime?
        > And as for patience, how long until a person might get the feeling they
        > are being ignored? Five years? Ten?
        > I think most of us who have been a devotee of Bolger and SBJ and later
        > MAIB for what 20-25 years (including John Kohnen) own or have lusted
        > after Mr. Bolger's books (now out of print except for one) are well
        > aware of the trials and tribulations of PCB&F. This includes the
        > military contract and the devotion to keeping the fishing industry
        > viable.
        > What really bothers some of us is how some commissions jump the queue
        > and get completed (Becky Thatcher) and others like the I60 and Auriga
        > are ignored to this day!
        > John Kolb - who has built many Bolger boats is still awaiting his Auriga
        > plans and has built the Fast Brick to go with it - which lies useless in
        > his shop. Reality is he is getting on in years now and has given up the
        > project last I heard.
        > Nels
        > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
        > > The second implies that it is "wrong" that SA is not making the life
        > > work of PCB and PB&F more easily available to the public. Actually,
        > > she has no obligation that I can see to make those designs available
        > > to us. I see nothing wrong with having to wait to get something we
        > > don't own. We should be grateful for what we get and try to find more
        > > patience.
        > >
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