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  • graeme19121984
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/sets/72157622785582418/
    Message 1 of 21 , Mar 18, 2010
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    • Harry James
      Where did you get the design for the single thole pin HJ
      Message 2 of 21 , Mar 18, 2010
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        Where did you get the design for the single thole pin

        HJ

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      • graeme19121984
        Harry, not my flickrs mate. But you have picked up on exactly the reason the builder linked this photo set of a Bolger EP build I d not seen before in a post
        Message 3 of 21 , Mar 19, 2010
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          Harry,

          not my flickrs mate. But you have picked up on exactly the reason the builder linked this photo set of a Bolger EP build I'd not seen before in a post to the PDR group. He had done so in relaation to a query as to how he'd had this set up for rowing his Pdr in the last Teaxs 200. pardon lack of further details right now as friDay night and been sole parent toasting somewat. moving N02 son tomorrow to new position out of the sity up mountain to higher apprenticeship platform prior to his desired jumping into navy career!! Some navy fitter and turners earn more than admirals here (check out MAIB), but no, it's the whole thing dad! How would a seahawk do with some slight imposed rocker and a lateen rig about the size of Pirate Racer - you see there's this immigrant South African 'architects' plan I return to, annually it seems; the bugger. He promoted it once. I wonder.? HJ you've built some EP's, and Gulls, no? Did you use a similar oar restraint?
          Cheers
          Graeme


          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
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          > Where did you get the design for the single thole pin
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          > HJ
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          > graeme19121984 wrote:
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        • tlakin2002
          funny. that s my boat and flickr page (and me in the pics). i went with the single thole pin setup because i m cheap and didn t want to spring for the oar
          Message 4 of 21 , Mar 19, 2010
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            funny. that's my boat and flickr page (and me in the pics). i went with the single thole pin setup because i'm cheap and didn't want to spring for the oar locks. plus, i like simplicity and feel nostalgic for old work boats and technology. not sure how they'll row, since it's my first boat build and i haven't gotten it in the water yet. the weather is just getting warm enough to paint the boat beyond priming. i hope to have it in the water next month.

            -trevor



            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
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            > Harry,
            >
            > not my flickrs mate. But you have picked up on exactly the reason the builder linked this photo set of a Bolger EP build I'd not seen before in a post to the PDR group. He had done so in relaation to a query as to how he'd had this set up for rowing his Pdr in the last Teaxs 200. pardon lack of further details right now as friDay night and been sole parent toasting somewat. moving N02 son tomorrow to new position out of the sity up mountain to higher apprenticeship platform prior to his desired jumping into navy career!! Some navy fitter and turners earn more than admirals here (check out MAIB), but no, it's the whole thing dad! How would a seahawk do with some slight imposed rocker and a lateen rig about the size of Pirate Racer - you see there's this immigrant South African 'architects' plan I return to, annually it seems; the bugger. He promoted it once. I wonder.? HJ you've built some EP's, and Gulls, no? Did you use a similar oar restraint?
            > Cheers
            > Graeme
            >
            >
            > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Where did you get the design for the single thole pin
            > >
            > > HJ
            > >
            > > graeme19121984 wrote:
            > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/sets/72157622785582418/
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          • Harry James
            I have always used standard oarlocks. Getting set to build a couple more EP s and thought I might try a thole pin. With the square blade you can t feather but
            Message 5 of 21 , Mar 19, 2010
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              I have always used standard oarlocks. Getting set to build a couple more EP's and thought I might try a thole pin. With the square blade you can't feather but thats no never mind to me anymore with my wrist arthritis I can't feather anyway. The most expensive part of my EP's has been the oarlocks.

              HJ

              graeme19121984 wrote:
              Harry,
              
              not my flickrs mate. But you have picked up on exactly the reason the builder linked this photo set of a Bolger EP build I'd not seen before in a post to the PDR group. He had done so in relaation to a query as to how he'd had this set up for rowing his Pdr in the last Teaxs 200. pardon lack of further details right now as friDay night and been sole parent toasting somewat. moving N02 son tomorrow to new position out of the sity up mountain to higher apprenticeship platform prior to his desired jumping into navy career!! Some navy fitter and turners earn more than admirals here (check out MAIB), but no, it's the whole thing dad! How would a seahawk do with some slight imposed rocker and a lateen rig about the size of Pirate Racer - you see there's this immigrant South African 'architects' plan I return to, annually it seems; the bugger. He promoted it once. I wonder.? HJ you've built some EP's, and Gulls, no? Did you use a similar oar restraint? 
                Cheers
              Graeme
              
              
              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
                
              Where did you get the design for the single thole pin
              
              HJ
              
              graeme19121984 wrote:
                  
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            • graeme19121984
              Trever, my apologies if I ve stolen your thunder here by posting this link before you splash. It seemed that the PDR builder was saying take a look here at
              Message 6 of 21 , Mar 19, 2010
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                Trever,

                my apologies if I've stolen your thunder here by posting this link before you splash. It seemed that the PDR builder was saying "take a look here at how I did it before" in reference to the setup shown on his PD test boat when he was answering an enquiry on the pdracer group about the thole pin setup on his actual Texas 200 entry - whew. As I recall it, he or maybe another, also diverged a bit from HJ's observation by saying he liked it because if loosely tied he could feather, and if tight it fixed the entry bite angle of the oar blade and reduced effort (maybe he pulls against the rope?). I'm not sure when that post occured except that it would be sort of recently.

                Your EP is looking good Trevor, please post pics for us of your immanent splash. Happy launching!

                Graeme



                --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "tlakin2002" <tlakin2002@...> wrote:
                >
                > funny. that's my boat and flickr page (and me in the pics). i went with the single thole pin setup because i'm cheap and didn't want to spring for the oar locks. plus, i like simplicity and feel nostalgic for old work boats and technology. not sure how they'll row, since it's my first boat build and i haven't gotten it in the water yet. the weather is just getting warm enough to paint the boat beyond priming. i hope to have it in the water next month.
                >
                > -trevor
              • graeme19121984
                Harry, I m sure in relation to that PDR boat it was said the oar could be held if desired in such a way as to have some feathering. -- I guess for shorter
                Message 7 of 21 , Mar 19, 2010
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                  Harry,

                  I'm sure in relation to that PDR boat it was said the oar could be held if desired in such a way as to have some feathering. -- I guess for shorter bursts into strong wind?

                  Graeme

                  --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > I have always used standard oarlocks. Getting set to build a couple more
                  > EP's and thought I might try a thole pin. With the square blade you
                  > can't feather but thats no never mind to me anymore with my wrist
                  > arthritis I can't feather anyway. The most expensive part of my EP's has
                  > been the oarlocks.
                  >
                  > HJ
                • tlakin2002
                  oh no, not a problem. i m flattered it s even gotten attention. thanks for the note and compliment. it s not 100 % exactly to plan, though. i m trying out a
                  Message 8 of 21 , Mar 20, 2010
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                    oh no, not a problem. i'm flattered it's even gotten attention. thanks for the note and compliment.

                    it's not 100"% exactly to plan, though. i'm trying out a rectangular sprit instead of the leg-o-mutton. since i'd like to be able to store the spars in the boat, if need be. hopefully i won't get beat up too bad by the purists on here. i realize it may be underpowered (it's a sail from the D4 dinghy), but i can easily take the sailplan to original later on. also, i built from the book, not plans and there were a few things i just had to make a guess on.

                    -trevor

                    PS. sorry if this double posts, i tried an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up.




                    --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
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                    >
                    >
                    > Trever,
                    >
                    > my apologies if I've stolen your thunder here by posting this link before you splash. It seemed that the PDR builder was saying "take a look here at how I did it before" in reference to the setup shown on his PD test boat when he was answering an enquiry on the pdracer group about the thole pin setup on his actual Texas 200 entry - whew. As I recall it, he or maybe another, also diverged a bit from HJ's observation by saying he liked it because if loosely tied he could feather, and if tight it fixed the entry bite angle of the oar blade and reduced effort (maybe he pulls against the rope?). I'm not sure when that post occured except that it would be sort of recently.
                    >
                    > Your EP is looking good Trevor, please post pics for us of your immanent splash. Happy launching!
                    >
                    > Graeme
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "tlakin2002" <tlakin2002@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > funny. that's my boat and flickr page (and me in the pics). i went with the single thole pin setup because i'm cheap and didn't want to spring for the oar locks. plus, i like simplicity and feel nostalgic for old work boats and technology. not sure how they'll row, since it's my first boat build and i haven't gotten it in the water yet. the weather is just getting warm enough to paint the boat beyond priming. i hope to have it in the water next month.
                    > >
                    > > -trevor
                    >
                  • tlakin2002
                    i m done with the EP build. now to get it wet! i still have to tune the thing a bit and figure out if i m going to like the sailplan i went with (then buy a
                    Message 9 of 21 , Apr 21, 2010
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                      i'm done with the EP build. now to get it wet! i still have to tune the thing a bit and figure out if i'm going to like the sailplan i went with (then buy a real sail, not just the temporary tarp one i made), but i'm finished making noise in the garage for a bit. i hope to launch this weekend or the following. depending on whether i get the floatation installed and a new life vest by then.

                      any good and easy ideas on what sort of foam floatation to get for under the seat? something easily attained at a big box store?

                      -trevor



                      --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
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                      > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/sets/72157622785582418/
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                    • Grant MacLaren
                      Trevor, Thanks for your great documentation on Flickr! Much appreciated, and we want to see your EP on the water. -=Grant=-
                      Message 10 of 21 , Apr 22, 2010
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                        Trevor,
                        Thanks for your great documentation on Flickr!
                        Much appreciated, and we want to see your
                        EP on the water.
                        -=Grant=-
                      • Charles Hodges
                        I used white styrofoam from a mirror packing crate. I attached pieces of 5mm luan inside the seat rails to extend them almost to the bottom of the boat. I cut
                        Message 11 of 21 , Apr 24, 2010
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                          I used white styrofoam from a mirror packing crate. I attached pieces of 5mm luan inside the seat rails to extend them almost to the bottom of the boat. I cut the luan to match the curve of the bottom with about 3/4" of space up from the bottom. I glued the foam pieces in place under the seat with Great Stuff spray foam to fill any voids and trimmed it even with the bottom curve of the luan. Painted the raw foam to give it some protection. You can't see the foam but you can stick your fingers into the 3/4" gap and feel it. I though the latex paint would form a membrane and make the foam less likely to crumble.

                          Charles



                          > any good and easy ideas on what sort of foam floatation to get for under the seat? something easily attained at a big box store?
                          >
                          > -trevor
                          >
                        • hutsellb
                          Hi, I have already purchased my plans and plywood to build an EP. I live in Texas and dark colors get WAY to hot here in the summer. I really like the light
                          Message 12 of 21 , Apr 26, 2010
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                            Hi,

                            I have already purchased my plans and plywood to build an EP.

                            I live in Texas and dark colors get WAY to hot here in the summer. I really like the light shade you chose for the inside.

                            Could I ask what brand an what color that is?

                            Thanks,
                            Barry


                            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "tlakin2002" <tlakin2002@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > funny. that's my boat and flickr page (and me in the pics). i went with the single thole pin setup because i'm cheap and didn't want to spring for the oar locks. plus, i like simplicity and feel nostalgic for old work boats and technology. not sure how they'll row, since it's my first boat build and i haven't gotten it in the water yet. the weather is just getting warm enough to paint the boat beyond priming. i hope to have it in the water next month.
                            >
                            > -trevor
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Harry,
                            > >
                            > > not my flickrs mate. But you have picked up on exactly the reason the builder linked this photo set of a Bolger EP build I'd not seen before in a post to the PDR group. He had done so in relaation to a query as to how he'd had this set up for rowing his Pdr in the last Teaxs 200. pardon lack of further details right now as friDay night and been sole parent toasting somewat. moving N02 son tomorrow to new position out of the sity up mountain to higher apprenticeship platform prior to his desired jumping into navy career!! Some navy fitter and turners earn more than admirals here (check out MAIB), but no, it's the whole thing dad! How would a seahawk do with some slight imposed rocker and a lateen rig about the size of Pirate Racer - you see there's this immigrant South African 'architects' plan I return to, annually it seems; the bugger. He promoted it once. I wonder.? HJ you've built some EP's, and Gulls, no? Did you use a similar oar restraint?
                            > > Cheers
                            > > Graeme
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Where did you get the design for the single thole pin
                            > > >
                            > > > HJ
                            > > >
                            > > > graeme19121984 wrote:
                            > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/sets/72157622785582418/
                            > > > >
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                          • tlakin2002
                            barry, it s going to sound odd, but i went with rustoleum almond on the inside and oars, with rustoleum semi-gloss white everywhere else. almond is also a
                            Message 13 of 21 , Apr 26, 2010
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                              barry,

                              it's going to sound odd, but i went with rustoleum "almond" on the inside and oars, with rustoleum semi-gloss white everywhere else. almond is also a semigloss, i think (but it doesn't say on the can). after asking several forums about paint, i went with a suggestion to use three coats of primer, with two coats of oil-based rustoleum paint over top. it may have been here or the PD Racer forum, those guys specialize in cheap fixes for cheap boats. one quart of almond and about one and a half of white were used. not sure how much primer i went through, though.

                              best of luck on the build. i built mine from the book, not plans. so there was quite a bit of guesswork involved. i wouldn't take my pics as an exact build. had i to do it over, i'd likely have gotten the plans, too. i was very limited on funds, though, when i started the project.

                              i hope to get mine in the water this weekend. provided it stops raining. last weekend was an absolute deluge here in s.w. missouri.

                              -trevor





                              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "hutsellb" <hutsellb@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Hi,
                              >
                              > I have already purchased my plans and plywood to build an EP.
                              >
                              > I live in Texas and dark colors get WAY to hot here in the summer. I really like the light shade you chose for the inside.
                              >
                              > Could I ask what brand an what color that is?
                              >
                              > Thanks,
                              > Barry
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "tlakin2002" <tlakin2002@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > funny. that's my boat and flickr page (and me in the pics). i went with the single thole pin setup because i'm cheap and didn't want to spring for the oar locks. plus, i like simplicity and feel nostalgic for old work boats and technology. not sure how they'll row, since it's my first boat build and i haven't gotten it in the water yet. the weather is just getting warm enough to paint the boat beyond priming. i hope to have it in the water next month.
                              > >
                              > > -trevor
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Harry,
                              > > >
                              > > > not my flickrs mate. But you have picked up on exactly the reason the builder linked this photo set of a Bolger EP build I'd not seen before in a post to the PDR group. He had done so in relaation to a query as to how he'd had this set up for rowing his Pdr in the last Teaxs 200. pardon lack of further details right now as friDay night and been sole parent toasting somewat. moving N02 son tomorrow to new position out of the sity up mountain to higher apprenticeship platform prior to his desired jumping into navy career!! Some navy fitter and turners earn more than admirals here (check out MAIB), but no, it's the whole thing dad! How would a seahawk do with some slight imposed rocker and a lateen rig about the size of Pirate Racer - you see there's this immigrant South African 'architects' plan I return to, annually it seems; the bugger. He promoted it once. I wonder.? HJ you've built some EP's, and Gulls, no? Did you use a similar oar restraint?
                              > > > Cheers
                              > > > Graeme
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Where did you get the design for the single thole pin
                              > > > >
                              > > > > HJ
                              > > > >
                              > > > > graeme19121984 wrote:
                              > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/sets/72157622785582418/
                              > > > > >
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                              > > > > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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                            • rogerinthedr
                              Trevor, I have never seen anyone use that single thole pin setup until I moved to the Dominican Republic. All of the small fishing boats are setup like that.
                              Message 14 of 21 , Apr 26, 2010
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                                Trevor,

                                I have never seen anyone use that single thole pin setup until I moved to the Dominican Republic. All of the small fishing boats are setup like that. Their oars are absolutely horribly built, but the setup works well for them. I love the pics of your build. I am currently building a PDR. By the way, it looks like you are from the Springfield, MO area. My wife is from Lebanon and we both lived in Springfield for a while. We miss the hills and the rivers. Good luck on your maiden.

                                Roger

                                --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "tlakin2002" <tlakin2002@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > funny. that's my boat and flickr page (and me in the pics). i went with the single thole pin setup because i'm cheap and didn't want to spring for the oar locks. plus, i like simplicity and feel nostalgic for old work boats and technology. not sure how they'll row, since it's my first boat build and i haven't gotten it in the water yet. the weather is just getting warm enough to paint the boat beyond priming. i hope to have it in the water next month.
                                >
                                > -trevor
                                >
                              • tlakin2002
                                roger, i pored over hundreds of oarlock and thole pin photos before settling on the single pin setup. at the time when i started the boat, i couldn t afford
                                Message 15 of 21 , Apr 26, 2010
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                                  roger,

                                  i pored over hundreds of oarlock and thole pin photos before settling on the single pin setup. at the time when i started the boat, i couldn't afford decent oarlocks and didn't want to buy crappy ones, so i started leaning towards traditional rowing setups that i could fashion myself. first i wanted to go with double pins, but read that they were easy to lose your oars overboard with. then i thought about irish curragh style oars and pins, where the oar is on a single pin, but has a triangular wooden loop to secure it. then i stumble across some pics of single pins with a strop to hold the oar on and it seemed easy enough that i could manage not to mess them up.

                                  they may row horribly and my oars probably aren't much better than the dominican ones you're familiar with. they are just two 1x2s, notched and laminated with a half inch ply blade. they are about 6.5 feet long. i started with seven foot oars, but cut them down and used the scrap for the tholepin beds.

                                  i've got a good friend from lebanon and i've driven through on the way to the lake of the ozarks or to the niangua river plenty of times. and as for springfield, it amazes me how many people i talk to online that have lived here for a bit or close by.

                                  thanks for the comments/compliments.

                                  -trevor



                                  --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "rogerinthedr" <jewellfamily@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Trevor,
                                  >
                                  > I have never seen anyone use that single thole pin setup until I moved to the Dominican Republic. All of the small fishing boats are setup like that. Their oars are absolutely horribly built, but the setup works well for them. I love the pics of your build. I am currently building a PDR. By the way, it looks like you are from the Springfield, MO area. My wife is from Lebanon and we both lived in Springfield for a while. We miss the hills and the rivers. Good luck on your maiden.
                                  >
                                  > Roger
                                  >
                                  > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "tlakin2002" <tlakin2002@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > funny. that's my boat and flickr page (and me in the pics). i went with the single thole pin setup because i'm cheap and didn't want to spring for the oar locks. plus, i like simplicity and feel nostalgic for old work boats and technology. not sure how they'll row, since it's my first boat build and i haven't gotten it in the water yet. the weather is just getting warm enough to paint the boat beyond priming. i hope to have it in the water next month.
                                  > >
                                  > > -trevor
                                  > >
                                  >
                                • tlakin2002
                                  My EP finally hit the water yesterday. Just a short dip in Springfield Lake to work out some kinks. It rowed really well with the thole pins, but I need to
                                  Message 16 of 21 , May 3, 2010
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                                    My EP finally hit the water yesterday. Just a short dip in Springfield Lake to work out some kinks. It rowed really well with the thole pins, but I need to fashion some collars for the oars. Not much of a breeze, but I did get to sail it downwind a bit.

                                    New pics..
                                    http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/sets/72157623855467323/

                                    -Trevor





                                    --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Grant MacLaren <grant@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Trevor,
                                    > Thanks for your great documentation on Flickr!
                                    > Much appreciated, and we want to see your
                                    > EP on the water.
                                    > -=Grant=-
                                    >
                                  • Grant MacLaren
                                    Trevor, Thanks for the photos on Springfield lake. Hope your next cruise is on thicker water. ... It s sure lookin good. -=Grant=-
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                                      Trevor,
                                      Thanks for the photos on Springfield lake.
                                      Hope your next cruise is on thicker water.
                                      : -)
                                      It's sure lookin' good.
                                      -=Grant=-
                                    • Harry James
                                      Can we get some pics of the details of the thole pins and lashings please? Would they work on round oars? HJ
                                      Message 18 of 21 , May 5, 2010
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                                        Can we get some pics of the details of the thole pins and lashings please? Would they work on round oars?

                                        HJ

                                        tlakin2002 wrote:
                                        My EP finally hit the water yesterday. Just a short dip in Springfield Lake to work out some kinks. It rowed really well with the thole pins, but I need to fashion some collars for the oars. Not much of a breeze, but I did get to sail it downwind a bit.
                                        
                                        New pics..
                                        http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/sets/72157623855467323/
                                        
                                        -Trevor
                                        
                                        
                                        
                                        
                                        
                                        --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Grant MacLaren <grant@...> wrote:
                                          
                                        Trevor,
                                        Thanks for your great documentation on Flickr!
                                        Much appreciated, and we want to see your
                                        EP on the water.
                                        -=Grant=-
                                        
                                            
                                        
                                        
                                        
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                                      • tlakin2002
                                        http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4539741290/in/set-72157622785582418/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4539741162/in/set-72157622785582418/
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                                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4539741290/in/set-72157622785582418/
                                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4539741162/in/set-72157622785582418/
                                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4223057693/in/set-72157622785582418/

                                          all i did with the strop that holds the oar on, is take a bit of line about 18" or so long (not exact, i'm guessing that's what i did) and double it over in the middle, then tied a knot with the ends parallel. taking that loop of line, wrapping it around the oar once and tucking the knot back through the loop. cinch it to the oar, then tuck the pin through the remaining loop of line.

                                          sorry to be so vague, but i haven't a clue what the knots used are called or even if i've set up the oars to row in the correct traditional manner. it was all guesswork from online photos, but seemed to work just fine when i had it in the water on sunday.

                                          i don't see why round oars wouldn't work the same. they may even allow for feathering.

                                          -trevor



                                          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Can we get some pics of the details of the thole pins and lashings
                                          > please? Would they work on round oars?
                                          >
                                          > HJ
                                          >
                                          > tlakin2002 wrote:
                                          > > My EP finally hit the water yesterday. Just a short dip in Springfield Lake to work out some kinks. It rowed really well with the thole pins, but I need to fashion some collars for the oars. Not much of a breeze, but I did get to sail it downwind a bit.
                                          > >
                                          > > New pics..
                                          > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/sets/72157623855467323/
                                          > >
                                          > > -Trevor
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Grant MacLaren <grant@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > >> Trevor,
                                          > >> Thanks for your great documentation on Flickr!
                                          > >> Much appreciated, and we want to see your
                                          > >> EP on the water.
                                          > >> -=Grant=-
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                                        • Harry James
                                          You mentioned that you think you need a collar, or leathers of some type, that would be to lessen wear? Thanks for the links, got two EP s in the shop right
                                          Message 20 of 21 , May 6, 2010
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                                            You mentioned that you think you need a collar, or leathers of some
                                            type, that would be to lessen wear?

                                            Thanks for the links, got two EP's in the shop right now, I think I will
                                            put thole pins on one of them.

                                            HJ

                                            tlakin2002 wrote:
                                            > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4539741290/in/set-72157622785582418/
                                            > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4539741162/in/set-72157622785582418/
                                            > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4223057693/in/set-72157622785582418/
                                            >
                                            > all i did with the strop that holds the oar on, is take a bit of line about 18" or so long (not exact, i'm guessing that's what i did) and double it over in the middle, then tied a knot with the ends parallel. taking that loop of line, wrapping it around the oar once and tucking the knot back through the loop. cinch it to the oar, then tuck the pin through the remaining loop of line.
                                            >
                                            > sorry to be so vague, but i haven't a clue what the knots used are called or even if i've set up the oars to row in the correct traditional manner. it was all guesswork from online photos, but seemed to work just fine when i had it in the water on sunday.
                                            >
                                            > i don't see why round oars wouldn't work the same. they may even allow for feathering.
                                            >
                                            > -trevor
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            >> Can we get some pics of the details of the thole pins and lashings
                                            >> please? Would they work on round oars?
                                            >>
                                            >> HJ
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >
                                          • tlakin2002
                                            i think leathers would help a lot. there was quite a bit of wear after just about an hour of rowing. since i m not a big fan of painting, i m likely going to
                                            Message 21 of 21 , May 7, 2010
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                                              i think leathers would help a lot. there was quite a bit of wear after just about an hour of rowing. since i'm not a big fan of painting, i'm likely going to wrap the oars in light line and glue it to make sure they stay put or adhere something on the thole pin bed to cushion the interacting surfaces from excessive wear. not decided yet. i hope to take the boat out again tomorrow on fellows lake, just north of town. it's a little bigger than where i did my splashdown/test run last weekend. i should get a better idea after that.

                                              good luck with your EP builds. it'd be great to see pics when they are done.

                                              -trevor





                                              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > You mentioned that you think you need a collar, or leathers of some
                                              > type, that would be to lessen wear?
                                              >
                                              > Thanks for the links, got two EP's in the shop right now, I think I will
                                              > put thole pins on one of them.
                                              >
                                              > HJ
                                              >
                                              > tlakin2002 wrote:
                                              > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4539741290/in/set-72157622785582418/
                                              > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4539741162/in/set-72157622785582418/
                                              > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12235211@N02/4223057693/in/set-72157622785582418/
                                              > >
                                              > > all i did with the strop that holds the oar on, is take a bit of line about 18" or so long (not exact, i'm guessing that's what i did) and double it over in the middle, then tied a knot with the ends parallel. taking that loop of line, wrapping it around the oar once and tucking the knot back through the loop. cinch it to the oar, then tuck the pin through the remaining loop of line.
                                              > >
                                              > > sorry to be so vague, but i haven't a clue what the knots used are called or even if i've set up the oars to row in the correct traditional manner. it was all guesswork from online photos, but seemed to work just fine when i had it in the water on sunday.
                                              > >
                                              > > i don't see why round oars wouldn't work the same. they may even allow for feathering.
                                              > >
                                              > > -trevor
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > >> Can we get some pics of the details of the thole pins and lashings
                                              > >> please? Would they work on round oars?
                                              > >>
                                              > >> HJ
                                              > >>
                                              > >>
                                              > >
                                              >
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