Re: [bolger] junk rig a la Bolger
- It is reputed to break battens.
On Apr 30, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Philippe wrote:
> I am Philippe and I am currently redesigning the rig of my Bruce
> Roberts Spray 36. I find Phil Bolger's junk rig design interesting
> in that it combines the functionality of a gaff headed main (which
> I had on my Spray) and the ease of reefing provided by the junk rig
> batten system. Does any of you have any experience with Bolger's
> design and offer tips about performance, construction, etc ?
=== craig o'donnell
Box 232 Betterton Md 21610
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- Thanks for your assessment of Phil Bolger's chinese junker design. I am glad to hear that it works. My project, should I decide to forge ahead will involve a 575 sqf main and a 250 sqf foresail. I expect to have to build the battens with of fiberglass over wood core to minimize the fracture possibility.
- I have been fascinated by PCB's Junk/Gaff Cat-Yawl rig on Yonder. So much flexibility! I'd have to say that it is the most advanced rig for cruising I have ever seen.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> > I hope others in this group will offer further opinions.
> > Philippe.
> In a 2005 letter, I asked PCB about Melcher's interpretation of the
> "Chinese Gaff" rig, and PCB's reply is pasted below. My opinion is
> that Jim Melcher sailing rig is not a "Bolger Chinese Gaff", but
> rather a "Melcher Chinese Gaff".
> I own a Chinese Gaff rig, and mine (I think) is a closer
> interpretation of the Bolger design. Truth be told, I haven't tested
> it out anything remotely close to Jim Melcher, who has my great
> respect and who has sailed a zillion miles.
> In all honesty, I use my Micro Navigator mostly as a Marina Cruiser
> berth hangout and I just love it. That is, I typically use my boat as
> a downtown San Francisco crash pad. (Drink some tea, listen to the
> radio, surf the internet, read the newspaper, pop some popcorn, take a
> nap.) [Or, if there is a ballgame going on I will wander over to the
> stadium and watch baseball through the right field fence and/or try to
> nab some free tickets.]
> I have sailed her, and I can attest that the rig works as advertised.
> Bear in mind, that the rig has more than the usual complexity,
> required complexity due to the need to sail the boat from within the
> cabin. This is good in my case because I need that type of rig.
> Because, finding longer marina berths in San Francisco is essentially
> impossible. Just getting my cramped 16 foot marina berth took three
> years of begging the harbormaster.
> A sixteen foot comfortable cruising boat cannot have a cockpit,
> therefore the sailing rig must function from within the cabin. The
> Chinese Gaff is the only rig that I know that can do that. This has a
> GREAT advantage in that, without the wasting of space on a cockpit,
> the cabin of the boat can be a warm, well ventilated, sunny,
> non-claustrophobic, luxuriously upholstered piece of paradise. This
> is nothing short of a miracle in a 16 foot boat. And, is exactly
> what I want in a boat!
> (As I look at the other boaters in the marina, shivering in their
> cockpits wearing their gloves and their cold weather gear, with their
> claustrophobic cabins going unused.)
> ===========2005 PCB on the Jim Melcher rig==============
> PCB:"As to Melcher's problems, he rig was a makeshift in the first
> place. (to use as much of the existing gear and structure as
> possible and he also did not make the most of it in several ways.
> We did not at all like his sheeting arrangements when he was here,
> and thinks at least part of his trouble would have been avoidable
> with more thought.
> We made the [Micro Navigator] mizzen quite large since there have
> been complaints on other designs that they are not powerful enough
> to keep the bow to the wind, whereas it can be feathered (luffed) or
> furled if there's too heavy a helm.
> Of course, no boat the size of Micro can keep going against a gale,
> if only because the drift of the surface water will take her to
> leeward more or less. But I would expect her to hang on better than
- When they are allowed to get before the mast - due to the compression load then introduced by the sheet leads.
--- In email@example.com, c o'donnell <dadadata@...> wrote:
> It is reputed to break battens.
> On Apr 30, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Philippe wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I am Philippe and I am currently redesigning the rig of my Bruce
> > Roberts Spray 36. I find Phil Bolger's junk rig design interesting
> > in that it combines the functionality of a gaff headed main (which
> > I had on my Spray) and the ease of reefing provided by the junk rig
> > batten system. Does any of you have any experience with Bolger's
> > design and offer tips about performance, construction, etc ?
> > Thanks.
> > Philippe
> === craig o'donnell
> Box 232 Betterton Md 21610
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- I met Annie and Trevor on Iron Bark in April. Annie gave me some advice on
converting my boat to junk rig. She was also involved in Jim Melcher
converting Alert/Manatee to full junk rig.
Annie is still very much in favour of junk rig. Trevor on the other hand
doesn¹t think much of junk rig. After about six hours talking to both of
them, I found Annie¹s position sounding the strongest when it came to rig of
choice. But that¹s not to say that Trevor doesn¹t know what he is talking
about, his experience puts that beyond doubt. It¹s just that Annie¹s
position sounds like easier sailing, which is my own preference.
On 10/5/09 10:19 PM, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
> Junk rig on a Roberts Spray? Which is steel hulled, right?
> Speaking of which made me think of cruisin' Annie Hill, who it seems went
> somewhat the opposite direction... April updates:
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