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Windsprint with jib?

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  • Jim
    Anyone ever do a jib and mainsail rig with the Windsprint? I m going to be building the boat this spring/summer, and I d love to do a sliding Gunter main rig
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 10, 2009
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      Anyone ever do a jib and mainsail rig with the Windsprint? I'm going to be building the boat this spring/summer, and I'd love to do a sliding Gunter main rig with a jib - mainly because I love the looks of a jib+mainsail rig, and have read very favorable articles for Gunter rigs on small boats. Realizing of course that I will need to add some stays, I'm curious about affecting the balance of the boat in the wind, etc.

      Thoughts? Opinions? Experiences?
    • adventures_in_astrophotography
      Hi Jim, ... ...snip... I would be very reluctant to put any standing rigging on a Windsprint hull without significantly beefing up the structure, especially
      Message 2 of 6 , Mar 11, 2009
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        Hi Jim,

        > Anyone ever do a jib and mainsail rig with the Windsprint?
        ...snip...

        I would be very reluctant to put any standing rigging on a Windsprint hull without significantly beefing up the structure, especially the mast step. If you do that, then you have a completely different and probably much heavier boat. Many builders have commented on the already low freeboard of this design, so I doubt adding structural weight or rigging weight up high is a particularly good idea.

        However, like the Solent lug rig, the sliding gunter has a short mast, which can be made to stand unstayed without being too heavy. If you're determined to have a rig like this, take a look at Bolger's "Common Sense Skiff" design (#572, perhaps?). It has a Solent lug main with jib set flying. I built one of these back in '93 and it was a very good sailer. Reefing and handling the main was awkward, however, especially if singlehanding.

        Jon Kolb
        www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
      • Jim
        Jon, Great info, and thanks for the recommendation. I have been looking at a few other Bolgers, too - just stumbled across another website today. I m
        Message 3 of 6 , Mar 11, 2009
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          Jon,

          Great info, and thanks for the recommendation. I have been looking at a few other Bolgers, too - just stumbled across another website today. I'm basically looking for something trailerable that can haul me, my teen-ager, and my Newfoundland for easy day sails around the lakes of Maine, with some occassional camping trips to the islands on those lakes. Any other designs you can think of that have the nice looks of the sharpies that might fill the bill?
        • adventures_in_astrophotography
          Jim, ... Two people and a Newfie will be cramped in the Common Sense Skiff. You might get the dog to lay down on the floorboards abaft the mast step, but that
          Message 4 of 6 , Mar 12, 2009
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            Jim,

            > Great info, and thanks for the recommendation. I have been looking at a few other Bolgers, too - just stumbled across another website today. I'm basically looking for something trailerable that can haul me, my teen-ager, and my Newfoundland for easy day sails around the lakes of Maine, with some occassional camping trips to the islands on those lakes. Any other designs you can think of that have the nice looks of the sharpies that might fill the bill?
            >

            Two people and a Newfie will be cramped in the Common Sense Skiff. You might get the dog to lay down on the floorboards abaft the mast step, but that size dog won't leave much room for two people's feet, not to mention handling the rig.

            I actually have the same requirement, but with a wife and a PWD (55 lbs). I just completed (save for the spars) building a Windsprint where I scaled up the side panels to 125% of original. This makes them 20" wide panels, and thus increases freeboard by roughly 4". The mold dimensions were left at the original size and were made into bulkheads. You can check it out on my website.

            Birdwatcher would be a good boat for such a crew, but it's a much bigger project and you might get tired of cleaning slobber and fur off the inside of the raised deck. Same issues with Camper #640. How about Oldshoe #449? I've always wanted one of those, but with a balanced lug main.

            Jon
            www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
          • graeme19121984
            ... Newfoundlanders are big dogs, real big, aren t they? And teenagers need to stretch out, when not restless. How about the beach cruiser Jinny (six 1/4 ply
            Message 5 of 6 , Mar 12, 2009
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              > Any other designs you can think of that have the nice looks of the
              > sharpies that might fill the bill?

              Newfoundlanders are big dogs, real big, aren't they? And teenagers need to stretch out, when not restless. How about the beach cruiser Jinny (six 1/4" ply sheets), or, a bit larger, Sparkler (about the same in 3/8").
            • Jim H
              OOOH!  That wouldn t be that much more money, either...and I love a yawl, too.  Parents had a 62 ketch when I was a younger lad.   Doesn t seem to be a lot
              Message 6 of 6 , Mar 12, 2009
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                OOOH!  That wouldn't be that much more money, either...and I love a yawl, too.  Parents had a 62' ketch when I was a younger lad.
                 
                Doesn't seem to be a lot of pics of her tho?

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                From: graeme19121984 <graeme19121984@...>
                Subject: [bolger] Re: Windsprint with jib?
                To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:42 AM






                > Any other designs you can think of that have the nice looks of the
                > sharpies that might fill the bill?

                Newfoundlanders are big dogs, real big, aren't they? And teenagers need to stretch out, when not restless. How about the beach cruiser Jinny (six 1/4" ply sheets), or, a bit larger, Sparkler (about the same in 3/8").



















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