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  • Bill
    All, I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it s a slideshow, like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps) showing the construction
    Message 1 of 13 , Mar 3, 2009
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      All,
      I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
      like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
      showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
      music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
      a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
      what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
      timeline.
      Enjoy!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc

      Bill, in Ohio
      Long Micro Pugnacious
    • Gabriel K. McAtee
      Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
      Message 2 of 13 , Mar 3, 2009
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        Very nice! Thanks for sharing...

        Bill wrote:
        >
        > All,
        > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
        > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
        > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
        > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
        > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
        > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
        > timeline.
        > Enjoy!
        > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
        > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
        >
        > Bill, in Ohio
        > Long Micro Pugnacious
        >
        >
      • Greg Flemming
        Yes, thanks Bill Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak
        Message 3 of 13 , Mar 6, 2009
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          Yes, thanks Bill

          Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.

          GregF

          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@...> wrote:
          >
          > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
          >
          > Bill wrote:
          > >
          > > All,
          > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
          > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
          > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
          > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
          > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
          > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
          > > timeline.
          > > Enjoy!
          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
          > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
          > >
          > > Bill, in Ohio
          > > Long Micro Pugnacious
          > >
          > >
          >
        • Bill
          Greg, I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened
          Message 4 of 13 , Mar 7, 2009
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            Greg,
            I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.

            I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.

            Glad you found something useful in there.
            Bill, LM Pugnacious

            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@...> wrote:
            >
            > Yes, thanks Bill
            >
            > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
            >
            > GregF
            >
            > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
            > >
            > > Bill wrote:
            > > >
            > > > All,
            > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
            > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
            > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
            > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
            > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
            > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
            > > > timeline.
            > > > Enjoy!
            > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
            > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
            > > >
            > > > Bill, in Ohio
            > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • Greg Flemming
            Hello Bill, Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I ve been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for
            Message 5 of 13 , Mar 8, 2009
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              Hello Bill,

              Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.

              I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!

              Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.

              I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:

              http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576

              Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.

              GregF


              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
              >
              > Greg,
              > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
              >
              > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
              >
              > Glad you found something useful in there.
              > Bill, LM Pugnacious
              >
              > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Yes, thanks Bill
              > >
              > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
              > >
              > > GregF
              > >
              > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
              > > >
              > > > Bill wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > All,
              > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
              > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
              > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
              > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
              > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
              > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
              > > > > timeline.
              > > > > Enjoy!
              > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
              > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
              > > > >
              > > > > Bill, in Ohio
              > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > >
              > >
              >
            • Greg Flemming
              Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don t be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro
              Message 6 of 13 , Mar 8, 2009
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                Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don't be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro Yourube - it was the new year cheer coupled with a distinct lack of editorial checking!

                GregF


                --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hello Bill,
                >
                > Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
                >
                > I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
                >
                > Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
                >
                > I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
                >
                > http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
                >
                > Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
                >
                > GregF
                >
                >
                > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Greg,
                > > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
                > >
                > > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
                > >
                > > Glad you found something useful in there.
                > > Bill, LM Pugnacious
                > >
                > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Yes, thanks Bill
                > > >
                > > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
                > > >
                > > > GregF
                > > >
                > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
                > > > >
                > > > > Bill wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > All,
                > > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
                > > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
                > > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
                > > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
                > > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
                > > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
                > > > > > timeline.
                > > > > > Enjoy!
                > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
                > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Bill, in Ohio
                > > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • Myles J. Swift
                On my Micro I sanded away about an 1/8 of an inch around the bottom of the rudder post and wrapped it with glass tape and epoxy when I built it originally. I
                Message 7 of 13 , Mar 9, 2009
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                  On my Micro I sanded away about an 1/8 of an inch around the bottom of the rudder post and wrapped it with glass tape and epoxy when I built it originally. I broke a couple of sets of the wooden lower mounts. I glued the pieces back together and used it as a form and poured a lower mount of aluminum. I've never had another problem in that area.

                  MylesJ

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                • Bill
                  Greg (and Myles), I m always happy to talk about Micros and LMs! I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the
                  Message 8 of 13 , Mar 9, 2009
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                    Greg (and Myles),
                    I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
                    I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.

                    My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.

                    Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.

                    Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?

                    Bill, LM Pugnacious

                    --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don't be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro Yourube - it was the new year cheer coupled with a distinct lack of editorial checking!
                    >
                    > GregF
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Hello Bill,
                    > >
                    > > Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
                    > >
                    > > I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
                    > >
                    > > Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
                    > >
                    > > I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
                    > >
                    > > http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
                    > >
                    > > Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
                    > >
                    > > GregF
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Greg,
                    > > > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
                    > > >
                    > > > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
                    > > >
                    > > > Glad you found something useful in there.
                    > > > Bill, LM Pugnacious
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Yes, thanks Bill
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > GregF
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Bill wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > All,
                    > > > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
                    > > > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
                    > > > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
                    > > > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
                    > > > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
                    > > > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
                    > > > > > > timeline.
                    > > > > > > Enjoy!
                    > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
                    > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Bill, in Ohio
                    > > > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • Bruce Hallman
                    ... Cast aluminum, impressive, . My Micro rudder post mount is made of UHMW Polyethylene, (from ebay) which has worked for me.
                    Message 9 of 13 , Mar 9, 2009
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                      > poured a lower mount of aluminum. I've never had another problem in that area.
                      >
                      > MylesJ

                      Cast aluminum, impressive, <smile>.

                      My Micro rudder post mount is made of UHMW Polyethylene, (from ebay)
                      which has worked for me.
                    • Greg Flemming
                      Hi Bill Ah! Col from Oz! No, don t know who he is! But that bottom bearing on the Micro & LM does seem to be very vulnerable. Especially when the bottom
                      Message 10 of 13 , Mar 9, 2009
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                        Hi Bill

                        Ah! Col from Oz! No, don't know who he is!

                        But that bottom bearing on the Micro & LM does seem to be very vulnerable. Especially when the bottom touches. I know that getting a strainless rudder made would be expensive and if i had teh skills I'd follow your advice, but....

                        Myles idea is a good one too, and that may be a good stop-gap measure for me until I get around to getting the rudder done. i'll do a bit of investigation.

                        Yes, the spelling was a bit much! Still that post has had a few hits, maybe they just wanted to see what it was about!

                        GregF


                        --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Greg (and Myles),
                        > I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
                        > I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
                        >
                        > My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
                        >
                        > Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
                        >
                        > Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
                        >
                        > Bill, LM Pugnacious
                        >
                        > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don't be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro Yourube - it was the new year cheer coupled with a distinct lack of editorial checking!
                        > >
                        > > GregF
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Hello Bill,
                        > > >
                        > > > Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
                        > > >
                        > > > I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
                        > > >
                        > > > Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
                        > > >
                        > > > I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
                        > > >
                        > > > http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
                        > > >
                        > > > GregF
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Greg,
                        > > > > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Glad you found something useful in there.
                        > > > > Bill, LM Pugnacious
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Yes, thanks Bill
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > GregF
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Bill wrote:
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > All,
                        > > > > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
                        > > > > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
                        > > > > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
                        > > > > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
                        > > > > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
                        > > > > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
                        > > > > > > > timeline.
                        > > > > > > > Enjoy!
                        > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
                        > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Bill, in Ohio
                        > > > > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • Col
                        Hi Bill, Col from Oz here, still lurking around the group reading the posts when I can. I haven t touched Micro for a few months due to work commitments and
                        Message 11 of 13 , Mar 10, 2009
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                          Hi Bill,
                          Col from Oz here, still lurking around the group reading the posts when I can. I haven't touched Micro for a few months due to work commitments and illness in the family but still keen to get her finished. Hey, I thought of building her about 10 years ago, whats the rush? She is still upside down, keel sheathing is done waiting for fibreglass on the bottom. In the meantime sailing my Surf lots, sailed her on the ocean the other day and caught a few fish to boot. (protected bay - Woody Head near Iluka, NSW) Grateful for the current discussion on the rudder bearing, must get my act together and join in!
                          Cheers,Col


                          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Greg (and Myles),
                          > I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
                          > I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
                          >
                          > My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
                          >
                          > Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
                          >
                          > Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
                          >
                          > Bill, LM Pugnacious
                          >
                        • Greg Flemming
                          Hello Col from Oz Are you doing a Micro or a Long Micro, up there? GregF
                          Message 12 of 13 , Mar 11, 2009
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                            Hello Col from Oz

                            Are you doing a Micro or a Long Micro, up there?

                            GregF

                            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Col" <colmooney@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            > Hi Bill,
                            > Col from Oz here, still lurking around the group reading the posts when I can. I haven't touched Micro for a few months due to work commitments and illness in the family but still keen to get her finished. Hey, I thought of building her about 10 years ago, whats the rush? She is still upside down, keel sheathing is done waiting for fibreglass on the bottom. In the meantime sailing my Surf lots, sailed her on the ocean the other day and caught a few fish to boot. (protected bay - Woody Head near Iluka, NSW) Grateful for the current discussion on the rudder bearing, must get my act together and join in!
                            > Cheers,Col
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Greg (and Myles),
                            > > I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
                            > > I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
                            > >
                            > > My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
                            > >
                            > > Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
                            > >
                            > > Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
                            > >
                            > > Bill, LM Pugnacious
                            > >
                            >
                          • Greg Flemming
                            Hello Bill & Myles AS a stop-gap measure I sheathed the rudder post of my Micro with two layers of 6oz glass cloth set in epoxy and sanded it down smooth this
                            Message 13 of 13 , Mar 15, 2009
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                              Hello Bill & Myles

                              AS a stop-gap measure I sheathed the rudder post of my Micro with two layers of 6oz glass cloth set in epoxy and sanded it down smooth this weekend. It still fits, just!, through the hole in the bottom of the boat. Whilst at it I decided to put the end-plates on the bottom of the rudder but so far they are just cut out ready to add. The joys of having a boat 300kms from where you live for most of the time!

                              Should have just done this ages ago instead of waiting for the perfect remedy.

                              Oh well, GregF

                              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Greg (and Myles),
                              > I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
                              > I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
                              >
                              > My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
                              >
                              > Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
                              >
                              > Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
                              >
                              > Bill, LM Pugnacious
                              >
                              > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don't be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro Yourube - it was the new year cheer coupled with a distinct lack of editorial checking!
                              > >
                              > > GregF
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Hello Bill,
                              > > >
                              > > > Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
                              > > >
                              > > > I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
                              > > >
                              > > > Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
                              > > >
                              > > > I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
                              > > >
                              > > > http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
                              > > >
                              > > > Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
                              > > >
                              > > > GregF
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Greg,
                              > > > > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Glad you found something useful in there.
                              > > > > Bill, LM Pugnacious
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Yes, thanks Bill
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > GregF
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Bill wrote:
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > All,
                              > > > > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
                              > > > > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
                              > > > > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
                              > > > > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
                              > > > > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
                              > > > > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
                              > > > > > > > timeline.
                              > > > > > > > Enjoy!
                              > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
                              > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Bill, in Ohio
                              > > > > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
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