I had a couple thoughts about the addition of a swing keel.
The sides of the keel are deadflat right?
As proof of concept you could through-bolt a CB to the side of the
keel with a big pivot bolt with an 8 or 10 inch diameter steel plate
on the non-keel side so a single bolt would hold it in place and the
plate would support the board from breaking off.
Launch the boat and then go over the side with a pair of wrenches.
Swing the board in position and tighten it down. Maybe with a couple
of pre-drilled holes you could even shift the board's position while
afloat. If the idea doesn't work all you have to do is epoxy the holes
You could try to salvage a swing keel or swinging rudder from a
derelict boat to use temporarily, or maybe borrow a blade.
You could also construct a dummy CB shaped box from a few sticks and
cheap ply to see if extra width on one side of the keel (simulating
board-up sailing) would harm performance enough to kill the concept
Caution: no deep thought was applied to this and it is possibly
Justin in Durham, NC
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "adkgoodboat" <masonsmith@...> wrote:
> Glad someone thinks the centerboard-alongside-keel idea isn't nutty.
> A further evolution of the thought would be a second side-piece to
> the keel, spaced away from the present plywood side, providing a slot
> for this board and its pendant, for somewhat less drag.
> Not sure how to judge exactly where to put the pin, or how much
> draft to give the thing, but it could be interestingly shaped, curved
> on both leading and trailing edges, and widest at the bottom. Not
> wuth it, I spect, but at this time of year it seems a tempting
> Where I have sailed Pelican, so far: It's a sore point with
> me,that I have sailed ie not enough and not far enough: at Mystic
> Seaport, during the Bolger celebration summer before last, she
> floated looking like a sailboat but didn't sail (no keel then, but
> spars and sails up); then since she's had her keel, new companionway,
> flotation, etc., a few day-sails on Long Lake and Tupper Lake in the
> Adirondacks, Lake Champlain several single-overnight trips, with 13
> yr-old Maggie, and last October a full-moon solo sailing overnight on
> Schroon Lake.
> Had so hoped to get her to Henderson Harbor for a romp on eastern
> Lake Ontario, and up to Kingston perhaps.
> I have no sailing pictures except from on board. Some of what I do
> have is on www.adirondackgoodboat.com. I have given her a white boot-
> top since those pix, further to lower her topsides (in appearance).
> What I'd love to show you is the Whalewather pictures, but that
> untested marvel is stuck under a jury-rigged canopy-shelter now,
> probably until April. She's done, virtually, and has her mast in the
> tabernacle and other spars in their chocks on deck, but her rig has
> not yet been up. Was hoping for global warming but it didn't come
> --- In email@example.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
> > Mason (?) and Graeme,
> > That's a neat idea! I had half-thought about some type of
> > in the keel of my LM, but quickly dismissed the idea, in part b/c I
> > couldn't think through a decent way of raising the board without
> > intruding into the cabin. The line, led aft under the hull is a
> > solution.
> > Gramem, for the past two days I've been mulling over your comments
> > leeboards. The Zeigler's Zoon (or Luna?) was a keel-less LM with
> > leeboards, and Roger Keyes originally used leeboards, but later
> > the keel to his M. There's the precedent for fitting leeboards to
> > M and LM, but not as auxilliary leeboards. Would make for an
> > interesting experiment. I am not planning any modifications for
> > season, but I enjoy mulling over these options.
> > My thoughts on why the M and LM are good windward performers [note:
> > don't want anyone to conclude that M and LM are NOT good performers
> > windward. They are good, just not great] fall into three causes,
> > depending on wind strength (as Mason noted below). In light winds
> > LM crawls and makes excessive leeway, I suspect, b/c there is no jib
> > to improve the airflow around the mainsail. I'm no expert on sail
> > theory, but my experience on plastic sloops is that their windward
> > performance improves vastly when the jib/gennie is deployed. A
> > bowsprit and slim jib would probably help, but the loads on the mast
> > would have to be appreciated, since there is no backsay or standing
> > rigging.
> > In medium winds the M and LM perform well to windward- even better
> > when the water is flat. A deeper keel/leeboard/etc. might help by
> > biting into deeper waters. Leeboards might be slightly more
> > b/c the leeward chine is as low or lower than the keel when
> > The weighted, keel-mounted centerboard would also help, I imagine.
> > In strong winds M and LM are probably blown to windward due to their
> > windage/high freeboard. The sides of my LM present approximately 75
> > sq. feet of flat surface area to the wind. The sail on my Gypsy is
> > only 59 sq. feet! I have sailed in steady winds of up to 25 knots
> > not had an issue with windward performance, but that doesn't mean it
> > couldn't be better, although short of a chain-saw I don't know of
> > easy methods of decreasing the windage on the M or LM.
> > So Mason. Where do you sail your Micro, where have you gone, and
> > adventures have you had? Picture? Stories? We're all ears.
> > Bill, LM Pugnacious
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "adkgoodboat" <masonsmith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Graeme,
> > > Your note about adding a leeboard to a Long Micro brings this
> > > response/question from me. First an observation: The Micro I have
> > > to sail on the wind pretty well in some conditions. Middling
> winds, I
> > > would say. It makes a lot of leeway in very light airs and in
> > > breezes, or so I'd say after rather little sailing, half a dozen
> > > outings. Enough leeway sometimes that I have wondered about a
> > > addition. Wonder how it strikes you:
> > > What about a sinking leeboard so shaped and sized as to fit
> > > the fixed keel, shaped to fit in its shadow, pivoted on a bolt
> > > goes through keel, with a pendant that leads from the board to a
> > > block on same, near the bottom, then aft to a turning block at
> one of
> > > the holes in the after well, and up through that to hand and
> > > This board could have a low enough aspect (and a fairing in front
> > > it?) to add not too much drag, its mounting would be way strong,
> and it
> > > might make the Micro point quite well. 'Twouldn't be much trouble
> > > try it, though I'd feel a little funny trying to make the Micro
> > > anything it isn't.
> > >