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  • Steve
    Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car Topper, Bobcat,
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 25 10:06 PM
      Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
      Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
      Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
      plans to consider?

      Thanks in Advance
      Steve
    • Don Ellenbrook
      I would take a look @ Teal ... From: Steve Subject: [bolger] Learning to sail .. To: Bolger@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 26 4:57 AM
        I would take a look @ Teal

        --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:

        From: Steve <paradox_4@...>
        Subject: [bolger] Learning to sail ..
        To: Bolger@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 1:06 AM






        Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
        Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
        Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
        plans to consider?

        Thanks in Advance
        Steve


















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      • David C.
        if this is your first building project, I would second Don -- look at Teal. Of the boats you mention, Cartopper would make an OK first project, too, but the
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 26 6:24 AM
          if this is your first building project, I would second Don -- look at Teal.

          Of the boats you mention, Cartopper would make an OK first project, too, but the building of Teal is laid out step by step in one of Dynamite's books and would be a very easy first project. You could also look at the Elegant Punt (for something that can be moved in the back of a pick up) or Surf.

          I'm not that familiar with Pirate Racer, but unless you are already an accomplished woodworker in other areas, I would suggest that Bobcat is a bit much to take on as a first boatbuilding project.

          David C

          ---- Don Ellenbrook <dschurricanes@...> wrote:
          > I would take a look @ Teal
          >
          > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
          >
          > From: Steve <paradox_4@...>
          > Subject: [bolger] Learning to sail ..
          > To: Bolger@yahoogroups.com
          > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 1:06 AM
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          > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
          > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
          > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
          > plans to consider?
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          > Thanks in Advance
          > Steve
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        • David
          Steve, I haven t been back over each of these with you question in mind, but - off the top - I d say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to learn to sail
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 26 6:57 AM
            Steve,

            I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
            - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
            learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
            stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
            about tipping over.

            I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
            One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
            outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
            And he's a moderately experienced sailor:

            http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm

            If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?

            Cheers,
            David G

            "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
            just as bad" -- Bob Edwards

            ***************

            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
            >
            > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
            > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
            > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
            > plans to consider?
            >
            > Thanks in Advance
            > Steve
            >
          • welshman@ptialaska.net
            How about June Bug, easy to build and stable http://www.akzeigers.com/JB.html I learned to sale in an El Toro, the Elegant Punt is similar in size an shape but
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 26 8:01 AM
              How about June Bug, easy to build and stable

              http://www.akzeigers.com/JB.html

              I learned to sale in an El Toro, the Elegant Punt is similar in size an shape but
              you would have to pull the fore and aft seat for sailing. I have built a couple of
              them, very cheap and easy to build.

              HJ

              Steve,
              >
              > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
              > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
              > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
              > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
              > about tipping over.
              >
              > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
              > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
              > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
              > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
              >
              > http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
              >
              > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
              >
              > Cheers,
              > David G
              >
              > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
              > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
              >
              > ***************
              >
              > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
              >>
              >> Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
              >> Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
              >> Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
              >> plans to consider?
              >>
              >> Thanks in Advance
              >> Steve
              >>
              >
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
              > Bolger rules!!!
              > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
              > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
              > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
              > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
              > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978)
              > 282-1349
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            • gregory_west2001
              Bolger s Surf is as easy to build as Teal (with chine logs that are about 16 long on the outside of the hull that you can have your local moulding
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 26 8:01 AM
                Bolger's "Surf" is as easy to build as "Teal" (with chine logs that
                are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have your
                local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales, if you
                don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to sail, can
                be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can be
                bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
                specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit heavier
                than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after decks
                and install access plates). It also rows great with one or two, and
                we often take it out just for a row.

                "Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was not
                designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss house
                paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks fine
                (or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick build.

                If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder if you
                are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater dock,
                since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
                without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground. I
                tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic Seaport at
                low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending amusement. I
                spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a couple
                of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it was
                designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would certainly
                want a kickup rudder on the boat now.

                --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
                >
                > Steve,
                >
                > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind,
                but
                > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
                > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
                > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
                > about tipping over.
                >
                > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a
                neophyte.
                > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from
                an
                > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more
                familiarity.
                > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
                >
                > http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
                >
                > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
                >
                > Cheers,
                > David G
                >
                > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
                > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
                >
                > ***************
                >
                > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail
                on a
                > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
                Racer, Car
                > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
                > > plans to consider?
                > >
                > > Thanks in Advance
                > > Steve
                > >
                >
              • David
                That s a great idea. One of my boating club owns one of these which I ve seen sail. It s a nice performer, easy to build, and quite stable. He likes his a lot.
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 26 8:25 AM
                  That's a great idea. One of my boating club owns one of these which
                  I've seen sail. It's a nice performer, easy to build, and quite
                  stable. He likes his a lot.

                  Cheers,
                  David G

                  "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes"

                  ***************

                  --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, welshman@... wrote:
                  >
                  > How about June Bug, easy to build and stable
                  >
                  > http://www.akzeigers.com/JB.html
                  >
                  > I learned to sale in an El Toro, the Elegant Punt is similar in size
                  an shape but
                  > you would have to pull the fore and aft seat for sailing. I have
                  built a couple of
                  > them, very cheap and easy to build.
                  >
                  > HJ
                  >
                  > Steve,
                  > >
                  > > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
                  > > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
                  > > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
                  > > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
                  > > about tipping over.
                  > >
                  > > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
                  > > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
                  > > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
                  > > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
                  > >
                  > > http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
                  > >
                  > > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
                  > >
                  > > Cheers,
                  > > David G
                  > >
                  > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
                  > > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
                  > >
                  > > ***************
                  > >
                  > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
                  > >>
                  > >> Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail
                  on a
                  > >> Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
                  Racer, Car
                  > >> Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
                  > >> plans to consider?
                  > >>
                  > >> Thanks in Advance
                  > >> Steve
                  > >>
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > Bolger rules!!!
                  > > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
                  > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
                  dead horses
                  > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
                  posts
                  > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
                  > > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
                  01930, Fax: (978)
                  > > 282-1349
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                  > > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
                  Yahoo! Groups
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                • oarmandt
                  I can endorse Rubens Nymph for your purposes. I sail mine on a 40 acre lake. It is very appropriate for that small space. It is suitably stable for a
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 26 8:27 AM
                    I can endorse Rubens Nymph for your purposes. I sail mine on a 40
                    acre lake. It is very appropriate for that small space. It is
                    suitably stable for a beginner. I normally sit on the center seat,
                    maybe one cheek to windward. The build is not too hard. Tough parts
                    were forcing the bottom panel to the curve required and getting the
                    right shape for the bilge panels. (These plans were drawn before
                    computer generated panel shapes, so the bilge panel shape on the plans
                    is just a starting point. But stitch and glue does not need precise
                    fits.)

                    My only reservation for a beginner is the lack of built-in flotation.
                    If you capsize, it will be hard to self rescue. Consider adding some
                    foam or airbags. I would think high on the sides amidships would be
                    best, so that it would float high on its side if it goes over and
                    right without much water inside. The only time I ever had a hint of a
                    problem was going dead downwind and the boat started rolling from side
                    to side, a common quirk. You would need a gale or some very bad luck
                    to make it go over on other points of sail.

                    The tiller can be much shorter than shown on the plans, so it is not
                    too much in the way.

                    The boat rows very well too, even carrying three people. I suspect it
                    would make a fine dingy for a cruising boat, but I do not know how
                    well it would tow.

                    Doug

                    --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
                    > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
                    > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
                    > plans to consider?
                    >
                    > Thanks in Advance
                    > Steve
                    >
                  • txsailor37
                    I built a bobcat as my first boat building project. Was it a good choice for a first boat??? I don t know, I didn t know any better at the time. I didn t
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 26 5:27 PM
                      I built a bobcat as my first boat building project. Was it a good
                      choice for a first boat??? I don't know, I didn't know any better
                      at the time. I didn't know that there were easier boats to build. I
                      built it because I thought it was a beautful boat. It took about a
                      year to build working in my spare time when I felt like it.

                      The Bobcat is a great sailing boat, I completed the Texas200 in mine
                      and I had no complaints. I wasn't able to make it across San Antonio
                      Bay to weather and that doesn't bother me (about 10 other boats
                      couln't make it either all bigger than mine). It wasn't that I
                      couldn't go to weather, it was because the wave action was out of
                      control. Another sailor that abandoned his attempt as well described
                      it as sailing in a washing machine.

                      The Gaff Rig of the Bocat provides a lot of sail area for Texas
                      waters, especially since we have a lot of days with 15mph plus winds.
                      There is a little bit of a learning curve to the rig for these
                      conditions, but all and all I love my boat.

                      In the end you have to build a boat that you can love.

                      Bobby Chilek
                    • Steven DAntonio
                      Regarding the Teal being tippy. One of the ideas that was mentioned to me is as following (I m cutting and pasting from a April 2007 post) ....I modified both
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 26 7:20 PM
                        Regarding the Teal being tippy. One of the ideas that was mentioned
                        to me is as following (I'm cutting and pasting from a April 2007 post)

                        ....I modified both boats by building them with a tombstone-type
                        transom which , according to Mr. Payson, makes the boat a bit less
                        tender...tender, of course, is a nautical term meaning "easy to turn
                        over"....it's a versatile little craft.. rows fairly well for a
                        sailboat and sails fairly well for a rowboat....I sail it with a
                        lateen sail similar to a Sunfish sail, though a bit smaller...

                        These modifications are not in Paysons book and PCB mentioned to me
                        that he would prefer them made unmodified.

                        PCB also suggested to me the Windsprint instead of the Teal. Either
                        way, make your sail so it can be reefed and that may help you stay
                        upright too (see articles in the link for reefing sharpie sails).
                        http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm

                        Steven

                        --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Steve,
                        >
                        > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
                        > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
                        > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
                        > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
                        > about tipping over.
                        >
                        > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
                        > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
                        > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
                        > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
                        >
                        > http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
                        >
                        > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
                        >
                        > Cheers,
                        > David G
                        >
                        > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
                        > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
                        >
                        > ***************
                        >
                        > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
                        > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
                        > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
                        > > plans to consider?
                        > >
                        > > Thanks in Advance
                        > > Steve
                        > >
                        >
                      • Loy Seal
                        I have a Surf and I love it. It was very easy and fast to build from good old BC pine ply and spruce construction grade lumber and it is three years old. I
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 26 7:57 PM
                          I have a Surf and I love it. It was very easy and fast to build from
                          good old BC pine ply and spruce construction grade lumber and it is
                          three years old. I only covered the bottom up to the water line with
                          epoxy and fiberglass. Pictures can be seen on Bolger 6. I made it from
                          the plans in "Instant Boats."
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger6/photos/album/1200470210/pic/list
                          I highly recommend it for a first boat. My first boat was an Elegant
                          Punt and I still have the same sail and mast after seven years.
                          Loy
                          --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steven DAntonio" <sdantonio93@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Regarding the Teal being tippy. One of the ideas that was mentioned
                          > to me is as following (I'm cutting and pasting from a April 2007 post)
                          >
                          > ....I modified both boats by building them with a tombstone-type
                          > transom which , according to Mr. Payson, makes the boat a bit less
                          > tender...tender, of course, is a nautical term meaning "easy to turn
                          > over"....it's a versatile little craft.. rows fairly well for a
                          > sailboat and sails fairly well for a rowboat....I sail it with a
                          > lateen sail similar to a Sunfish sail, though a bit smaller...
                          >
                          > These modifications are not in Paysons book and PCB mentioned to me
                          > that he would prefer them made unmodified.
                          >
                          > PCB also suggested to me the Windsprint instead of the Teal. Either
                          > way, make your sail so it can be reefed and that may help you stay
                          > upright too (see articles in the link for reefing sharpie sails).
                          > http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm
                          >
                          > Steven
                          >
                          > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Steve,
                          > >
                          > > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
                          > > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
                          > > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
                          > > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
                          > > about tipping over.
                          > >
                          > > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
                          > > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
                          > > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
                          > > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
                          > >
                          > > http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
                          > >
                          > > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
                          > >
                          > > Cheers,
                          > > David G
                          > >
                          > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
                          > > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
                          > >
                          > > ***************
                          > >
                          > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to
                          sail on a
                          > > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
                          Racer, Car
                          > > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
                          > > > plans to consider?
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks in Advance
                          > > > Steve
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                        • Steve
                          Since the common consensus seems to be with the Surf (Crab Skiff)I decided to Purchase the Plans & Instant Boats today :)(via snail mail). I ve been doing a
                          Message 12 of 22 , Dec 2, 2008
                            Since the common consensus seems to be with the Surf (Crab Skiff)I
                            decided to Purchase the Plans & Instant Boats today :)(via snail
                            mail). I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the topic and
                            there has been mention of two articles about Building the Surf that
                            were written does anyone know if these are still available or which
                            magazines they had been published in?. Also a few people have
                            mentioned a kick up rudder & modified centerboard - has anyone run
                            into a plan for these specific to the Surf? Other info is greatly
                            appreciated and thank you everyone for all your input thus far:)

                            LOL Mr G West I can relate with the amused wife. I went over in a
                            Kayak last summer inside a Lock with my new sunglasses ($400 Revo's
                            ack) spent most of the day down river trying to dive for the glasses.
                            Needless to say I'm the proud new owner of cheapo replica's and the
                            wife still takes the odd poke about seeing the glint of Revo's on the
                            lake;)

                            Steven R
                            Lesson of the day .... Don't wear your Revo's on the water :p



                            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "gregory_west2001" <gwest@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Bolger's "Surf" is as easy to build as "Teal" (with chine logs that
                            > are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have your
                            > local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales, if you
                            > don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to sail, can
                            > be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can be
                            > bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
                            > specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit heavier
                            > than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after decks
                            > and install access plates). It also rows great with one or two, and
                            > we often take it out just for a row.
                            >
                            > "Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was not
                            > designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss house
                            > paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks fine
                            > (or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick build.
                            >
                            > If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder if you
                            > are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater dock,
                            > since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
                            > without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground. I
                            > tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic Seaport at
                            > low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending amusement. I
                            > spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a couple
                            > of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it was
                            > designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would certainly
                            > want a kickup rudder on the boat now.
                            >
                            > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Steve,
                            > >
                            > > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind,
                            > but
                            > > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
                            > > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
                            > > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
                            > > about tipping over.
                            > >
                            > > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a
                            > neophyte.
                            > > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from
                            > an
                            > > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more
                            > familiarity.
                            > > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
                            > >
                            > > http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
                            > >
                            > > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
                            > >
                            > > Cheers,
                            > > David G
                            > >
                            > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
                            > > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
                            > >
                            > > ***************
                            > >
                            > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail
                            > on a
                            > > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
                            > Racer, Car
                            > > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
                            > > > plans to consider?
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks in Advance
                            > > > Steve
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >
                          • Loy Seal
                            Here is a link to an article on small boat rudders. http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL%20BOAT%20RUDDERS This is included in
                            Message 13 of 22 , Dec 3, 2008
                              Here is a link to an article on small boat rudders.
                              http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL%20BOAT%20RUDDERS

                              This is included in Jim Michalak's book "Boatbuilding for Beginners."
                              I built my Surf's kick up rudder using this. I have broken several
                              leeboard arms inside the boat and have now switched to the Junebug
                              leeboard mount which is a slot mounted on the gunwales and chines. It
                              is made from 1 x 2's. Enjoy the build.
                              Loy



                              --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Since the common consensus seems to be with the Surf (Crab Skiff)I
                              > decided to Purchase the Plans & Instant Boats today :)(via snail
                              > mail). I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the topic and
                              > there has been mention of two articles about Building the Surf that
                              > were written does anyone know if these are still available or which
                              > magazines they had been published in?. Also a few people have
                              > mentioned a kick up rudder & modified centerboard - has anyone run
                              > into a plan for these specific to the Surf? Other info is greatly
                              > appreciated and thank you everyone for all your input thus far:)
                              >
                              > LOL Mr G West I can relate with the amused wife. I went over in a
                              > Kayak last summer inside a Lock with my new sunglasses ($400 Revo's
                              > ack) spent most of the day down river trying to dive for the glasses.
                              > Needless to say I'm the proud new owner of cheapo replica's and the
                              > wife still takes the odd poke about seeing the glint of Revo's on the
                              > lake;)
                              >
                              > Steven R
                              > Lesson of the day .... Don't wear your Revo's on the water :p
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "gregory_west2001" <gwest@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Bolger's "Surf" is as easy to build as "Teal" (with chine logs that
                              > > are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have your
                              > > local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales, if you
                              > > don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to sail, can
                              > > be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can be
                              > > bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
                              > > specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit heavier
                              > > than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after decks
                              > > and install access plates). It also rows great with one or two, and
                              > > we often take it out just for a row.
                              > >
                              > > "Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was not
                              > > designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss house
                              > > paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks fine
                              > > (or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick build.
                              > >
                              > > If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder if you
                              > > are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater dock,
                              > > since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
                              > > without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground. I
                              > > tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic Seaport at
                              > > low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending amusement. I
                              > > spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a couple
                              > > of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it was
                              > > designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would certainly
                              > > want a kickup rudder on the boat now.
                              > >
                              > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Steve,
                              > > >
                              > > > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind,
                              > > but
                              > > > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
                              > > > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
                              > > > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
                              > > > about tipping over.
                              > > >
                              > > > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a
                              > > neophyte.
                              > > > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from
                              > > an
                              > > > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more
                              > > familiarity.
                              > > > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
                              > > >
                              > > > http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
                              > > >
                              > > > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
                              > > >
                              > > > Cheers,
                              > > > David G
                              > > >
                              > > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
                              > > > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
                              > > >
                              > > > ***************
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail
                              > > on a
                              > > > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
                              > > Racer, Car
                              > > > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
                              > > > > plans to consider?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thanks in Advance
                              > > > > Steve
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              >
                            • gregory_west2001
                              I overbuilt the leeboard arms with stock 2x2 s (rather than the 3/4 x 1 1/2 shown as the minimum size on the plans) and have not had any problem with them. I
                              Message 14 of 22 , Dec 3, 2008
                                I overbuilt the leeboard arms with stock 2x2's (rather than the 3/4"
                                x 1 1/2" shown as the minimum size on the plans) and have not had any
                                problem with them.

                                I have heard of people actually breaking the leeboards on this boat,
                                but I have not had that problem either (nor any problem with it
                                warping). I built my leeboard by epoxying together two sheets of
                                1/4" marine plywood as shown on the plans. The plans suggest that a
                                3/4" leeboard would be better.

                                --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Loy Seal" <loyseal1@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Here is a link to an article on small boat rudders.
                                >
                                http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL
                                %20BOAT%20RUDDERS
                                >
                                > This is included in Jim Michalak's book "Boatbuilding for
                                Beginners."
                                > I built my Surf's kick up rudder using this. I have broken several
                                > leeboard arms inside the boat and have now switched to the Junebug
                                > leeboard mount which is a slot mounted on the gunwales and chines.
                                It
                                > is made from 1 x 2's. Enjoy the build.
                                > Loy
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Since the common consensus seems to be with the Surf (Crab Skiff)I
                                > > decided to Purchase the Plans & Instant Boats today :)(via snail
                                > > mail). I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the topic and
                                > > there has been mention of two articles about Building the Surf
                                that
                                > > were written does anyone know if these are still available or
                                which
                                > > magazines they had been published in?. Also a few people have
                                > > mentioned a kick up rudder & modified centerboard - has anyone
                                run
                                > > into a plan for these specific to the Surf? Other info is greatly
                                > > appreciated and thank you everyone for all your input thus far:)
                                > >
                                > > LOL Mr G West I can relate with the amused wife. I went over in a
                                > > Kayak last summer inside a Lock with my new sunglasses ($400
                                Revo's
                                > > ack) spent most of the day down river trying to dive for the
                                glasses.
                                > > Needless to say I'm the proud new owner of cheapo replica's and
                                the
                                > > wife still takes the odd poke about seeing the glint of Revo's on
                                the
                                > > lake;)
                                > >
                                > > Steven R
                                > > Lesson of the day .... Don't wear your Revo's on the water :p
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "gregory_west2001" <gwest@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Bolger's "Surf" is as easy to build as "Teal" (with chine logs
                                that
                                > > > are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have
                                your
                                > > > local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales,
                                if you
                                > > > don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to
                                sail, can
                                > > > be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can
                                be
                                > > > bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
                                > > > specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit
                                heavier
                                > > > than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after
                                decks
                                > > > and install access plates). It also rows great with one or
                                two, and
                                > > > we often take it out just for a row.
                                > > >
                                > > > "Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was
                                not
                                > > > designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss
                                house
                                > > > paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks
                                fine
                                > > > (or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick
                                build.
                                > > >
                                > > > If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder
                                if you
                                > > > are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater
                                dock,
                                > > > since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
                                > > > without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground.
                                I
                                > > > tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic
                                Seaport at
                                > > > low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending
                                amusement. I
                                > > > spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a
                                couple
                                > > > of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it
                                was
                                > > > designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would
                                certainly
                                > > > want a kickup rudder on the boat now.
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Steve,
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in
                                mind,
                                > > > but
                                > > > > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best
                                boat to
                                > > > > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet
                                beamy and
                                > > > > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too
                                much
                                > > > > about tipping over.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a
                                > > > neophyte.
                                > > > > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and
                                comment from
                                > > > an
                                > > > > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more
                                > > > familiarity.
                                > > > > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
                                > > > >
                                > > > > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Cheers,
                                > > > > David G
                                > > > >
                                > > > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of
                                ignorance is
                                > > > > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ***************
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning
                                to sail
                                > > > on a
                                > > > > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
                                > > > Racer, Car
                                > > > > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts
                                or other
                                > > > > > plans to consider?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks in Advance
                                > > > > > Steve
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                >
                              • Steve
                                Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago from Mr Payson. At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many people have
                                Message 15 of 22 , Dec 21, 2008
                                  Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
                                  from Mr Payson.

                                  At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many people
                                  have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been working
                                  on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
                                  Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
                                  please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
                                  just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of this
                                  group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -34 Deg
                                  C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)


                                  Merry Christmas!
                                  Steve
                                • Col
                                  Hi, From memory I think on my Surf I used the rudder design for Bolgers Gypsy, which is available in Paysons Instant Boats. It was easy to make and works
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Dec 21, 2008
                                    Hi,
                                    From memory I think on my Surf I used the rudder design for Bolgers
                                    Gypsy, which is available in Paysons Instant Boats. It was easy to
                                    make and works fine. I cast a bit of lead into mine to keep it from
                                    floating up.
                                    Cheers,
                                    Col

                                    --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
                                    > from Mr Payson.
                                    >
                                    > At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many people
                                    > have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been
                                    working
                                    > on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
                                    > Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
                                    > please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
                                    > just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of
                                    this
                                    > group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -34
                                    Deg
                                    > C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Merry Christmas!
                                    > Steve
                                    >
                                  • David C.
                                    Steve - Don t over think the kick up rudder. As long as you re ruder blade hangs to the proper designed depth, it s just a blade hanging from a bolt. If you
                                    Message 17 of 22 , Dec 22, 2008
                                      Steve -

                                      Don't over think the kick up rudder. As long as you're ruder blade hangs to the proper designed depth, it's just a blade hanging from a bolt.

                                      If you haven't seen it yet, here's an essay about rudders from Jim Michalak. Just the little drawing (combined with your plans) gives you enough info to build a kick up rudder. Adding the lead sink weight at the bottom is key -- makes it so much more convenient.

                                      http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL%20BOAT%20RUDDERS


                                      I've always loved the Surf - I've had the plans for years. Maybe it's that cute, little bowsprit, but it sure looks like a fine little boat.

                                      DC


                                      ---- Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
                                      > Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
                                      > from Mr Payson.
                                      >
                                      > At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many people
                                      > have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been working
                                      > on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
                                      > Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
                                      > please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
                                      > just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of this
                                      > group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -34 Deg
                                      > C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Merry Christmas!
                                      > Steve
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ---------
                                    • gregory_west2001
                                      I found an old kickup rudder with a long tiller and aluminum side plates from an old dinghy (without a blade) for $30 at a local used sailboat parts store in
                                      Message 18 of 22 , Dec 24, 2008
                                        I found an old kickup rudder with a long tiller and aluminum side
                                        plates from an old dinghy (without a blade) for $30 at a local used
                                        sailboat parts store in St. Augustine (www.Sailors-Exchange.com) and
                                        cut a blade for it that roughly matched the plans. One thing you
                                        will want, however you make your kickup rudder, is a tiller that
                                        comes at least 6" into the cockpit.

                                        --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "David C." <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Steve -
                                        >
                                        > Don't over think the kick up rudder. As long as you're ruder blade
                                        hangs to the proper designed depth, it's just a blade hanging from a
                                        bolt.
                                        >
                                        > If you haven't seen it yet, here's an essay about rudders from Jim
                                        Michalak. Just the little drawing (combined with your plans) gives
                                        you enough info to build a kick up rudder. Adding the lead sink
                                        weight at the bottom is key -- makes it so much more convenient.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL
                                        %20BOAT%20RUDDERS
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > I've always loved the Surf - I've had the plans for years. Maybe
                                        it's that cute, little bowsprit, but it sure looks like a fine little
                                        boat.
                                        >
                                        > DC
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ---- Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
                                        > > Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
                                        > > from Mr Payson.
                                        > >
                                        > > At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many
                                        people
                                        > > have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been
                                        working
                                        > > on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
                                        > > Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
                                        > > please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
                                        > > just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of
                                        this
                                        > > group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -
                                        34 Deg
                                        > > C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Merry Christmas!
                                        > > Steve
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > ---------
                                        >
                                      • S Rose
                                        The procedure you sent was revised a bit when I got the plans from Mr Payson. It recommends a 58 long straight tiller also several other modifications (Mast
                                        Message 19 of 22 , Dec 24, 2008
                                          The procedure you sent was revised a bit when I got the plans from Mr
                                          Payson. It recommends a 58" long straight tiller also several other
                                          modifications (Mast step, Bowspirit Slot, Chines, Tiller all have new notes)
                                          I can send you a copy for future ref if your interested? I'm going to start
                                          on some of the smaller pieces in my apartment over the next while since I
                                          can easily take them when I move (LOL assuming my wife doesn't kill me
                                          first).





                                          Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!



                                          Steve



                                          _____

                                          From: bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                                          gregory_west2001
                                          Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:03 AM
                                          To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [bolger] Re: Learning to sail ..



                                          I found an old kickup rudder with a long tiller and aluminum side
                                          plates from an old dinghy (without a blade) for $30 at a local used
                                          sailboat parts store in St. Augustine (www.Sailors-Exchange.com) and
                                          cut a blade for it that roughly matched the plans. One thing you
                                          will want, however you make your kickup rudder, is a tiller that
                                          comes at least 6" into the cockpit.

                                          --- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, "David C."
                                          <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Steve -
                                          >
                                          > Don't over think the kick up rudder. As long as you're ruder blade
                                          hangs to the proper designed depth, it's just a blade hanging from a
                                          bolt.
                                          >
                                          > If you haven't seen it yet, here's an essay about rudders from Jim
                                          Michalak. Just the little drawing (combined with your plans) gives
                                          you enough info to build a kick up rudder. Adding the lead sink
                                          weight at the bottom is key -- makes it so much more convenient.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          http://marina.
                                          <http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL>
                                          fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL
                                          %20BOAT%20RUDDERS
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > I've always loved the Surf - I've had the plans for years. Maybe
                                          it's that cute, little bowsprit, but it sure looks like a fine little
                                          boat.
                                          >
                                          > DC
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ---- Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
                                          > > Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
                                          > > from Mr Payson.
                                          > >
                                          > > At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many
                                          people
                                          > > have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been
                                          working
                                          > > on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
                                          > > Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
                                          > > please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
                                          > > just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of
                                          this
                                          > > group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -
                                          34 Deg
                                          > > C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Merry Christmas!
                                          > > Steve
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > ---------
                                          >





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                                        • S Rose
                                          The cover of this song bore the following note: There is a legend amongst sailors, that when a vessel is out at sea on Christmas Eve, the usual peal which on
                                          Message 20 of 22 , Dec 24, 2008
                                            The cover of this song bore the following note:

                                            There is a legend amongst sailors, that when a vessel is out at sea on
                                            Christmas Eve, the usual peal which on land ushers in the great Christian
                                            Festival from every church steeple is sometimes heard, however far from land
                                            the ship may be, and is an assured sign of a prosperous voyage.

                                            Sullivan's manuscript consists of three pages, the last of which is dated 21
                                            October 1874 and signed by the composer. Sullivan also drafted a title page,
                                            headed with the words "Dedicated to" although the song bore no dedication
                                            when it was published.




                                            Still the night and calm the ocean,
                                            Dazzling bright each wintry star;
                                            Scarcely felt the vessel's motion,
                                            When we heard from out afar
                                            Softly pealing,
                                            Gently stealing,
                                            Silv'ry bells in volleys ringing.
                                            Ringing out in holy glee;
                                            E'en to us glad tidings bringing,
                                            E'en to us glad tidings bringing,
                                            Christmas bells at sea.

                                            Wrapt in awe around them gazing,
                                            Mute the crew in wonder stand,
                                            Whence could come those sounds amazing,
                                            Far from sight or sound of land?
                                            Rising, falling,
                                            Home recalling,
                                            Thoughts of home and heaven bringing,
                                            Sure a silent mystery
                                            'Twas to hear their silv'ry ringing,
                                            'Twas to hear their silv'ry ringing,
                                            Christmas Bells at sea.

                                            Vain Thy ways, O Heaven, to measure:
                                            Who thy secrets can divine?
                                            In our hearts enough to treasure
                                            Tokens of Thy love benign
                                            Where no steeple
                                            Calls its people
                                            Tidings of a Saviour bringing,
                                            Angel hands are set by Thee
                                            From a cloud-built belfry ringing
                                            From a cloud-built belfry ringing
                                            Christmas Bells at sea.





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                                          • Joe Tribulato
                                            The tiller on Surf is long over the aft deck. I rigged a loop of bungee through the aft cleat to keep it from swinging out of reach. Joe T
                                            Message 21 of 22 , Dec 25, 2008
                                              The tiller on Surf is long over the aft deck. I rigged a loop of
                                              bungee through the aft cleat to keep it from swinging out of reach.

                                              Joe T
                                            • Joe Tribulato
                                              I taught myself to sail in Teal in a 100 acre lake. It worked fine there. I built it with a tombstone transom as in Surf because I wanted to eliminate that
                                              Message 22 of 22 , Dec 25, 2008
                                                I taught myself to sail in Teal in a 100 acre lake. It worked fine
                                                there. I built it with a tombstone transom as in Surf because I wanted
                                                to eliminate that extension of the skeg. The rudder was modified
                                                accordingly for a more upright attitude. It looks better to my eye and
                                                works fine too. If I were doing it again I would build a kick up
                                                rudder and leeboard. Michalak's book can show you how.

                                                Joe T
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