## Re: [bolger] Re: Plywood 12 1/2 sloop-CEMENT KEELS

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• ... So Graeme ... when you say Yes, Ron, there is. are you talking about a center of gravity difference? If so, I agree that there WOULD be a center of
Message 1 of 56 , Sep 28, 2007
>> Put 100 pounds of rocks in your boat and
>> note the water line. Take out the rocks
>> and put in 100 pounds of water. Is there
>> a difference?
>
> Yes, Ron, there is.

So Graeme ... when you say "Yes, Ron, there is." are you talking about a
center of gravity difference? If so, I agree that there WOULD be a
center of gravity difference because the rocks are denser than water so
the center of gravity will be lower with rocks than with water.

But if you are suggesting that there will be a waterline difference I
disagree completely ... because 100 pounds of anything is going to push
the boat down to the same waterline regardless of whether that 100
pounds is made of rocks or steel or water or lead or feathers.

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
• When the boat is rolled, one side dips down and the other raises up, but unlike a see-saw, the balance point, the Centre of Bouyancy also moves. The balance
Message 56 of 56 , Sep 30, 2007
When the boat is rolled, one side dips down and the other raises up,
but unlike a see-saw, the balance point, the Centre of Bouyancy also
moves. The balance point is not the centre of ballast mass, nor
centre of the entire boat system mass of the level boat. When rolled
there is more of the ballast-water (that has affected the entire
CoG and reduced initial stability (form stability) of firm bilged
and similar boats) now offset to one side of the Boat CoB. With
sufficient rolling that ballast water will have a significant impact
on increasing secondary stability as any of it is lifted above the
waterline; having initially reduced stability of the unballasted
firm bilged boat.

At the other extreme to the firm bilged boat, the deeep ballasted
keel as on the 12&1/2 will have the same action on secondary
stability if water is used as ballast - it won't act to right the
boat until it comes out of the water, in this case at nearly
90degrees heel! If other material was unavailable then water-
ballast in the keel would serve to increase the initial stability of
the slack-bilged 12&1/2 over that of the unballasted boat, but it
would still be quite tiddly as water-ballast in the keel couldn't
sink it sufficiently to effectively widen the water-line beam.

Graeme

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene T <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
>
> Water doesn't act like a pendulum? I think it does. The boat is
a complete system. The water and air in a boat act as a unit. Roll
the boat and more water is on one side of center and more air on the
other. All below the waterline. Think of it any way you like, more
air below the water on one side and more water on the other acts as
a pendulum and tries to right the boat.
>
> And ballast doesn't change the shape of this boat we are talking
about. First pick a boat. Ok, now you have a shape. Then put
ballast in it. Doing the argument any other way is comparing two
different boats, which is not what this is all about.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
> "We may have all come on different ships, but we are in the same
boat now" -- Rev. Martin Luther King
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