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Re: [bolger] Bolger, Payson partnership

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  • catboat15@aol.com
    From what I have read when Phil designs a multichine boat for Payson to build and market the bottom and side panels are laid out and when it is time to do the
    Message 1 of 3 , Oct 4, 2005
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      From what I have read when Phil designs a multichine boat for Payson to
      build and market the bottom and side panels are laid out and when it is time to
      do the bilge panels, Dynamite just fills in with various chunks of wood in a
      "cut to fit, file to line, paint to match" manner then those panels are
      measured and the drawings modified to show the finished cutting lines.

      I am not a navel architect and some drawing conventions used by Phil do not
      make much sense to one used to other methods of drawing details such as I used
      when designing machines and equipment. Have had to use the "moaning chair" a
      few times when things did not fit as well as I thought they should.


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    • Bruce Hallman
      ... Are you referring to Nymph? ... I think Bolger calculates the panel dimensions, but also incorporates corrections of errors discovered by the builders. ...
      Message 2 of 3 , Oct 4, 2005
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        On 10/4/05, catboat15@... <catboat15@...> wrote:
        > From what I have read when Phil designs a multichine boat for Payson to
        > build and market the bottom and side panels are laid out and when it is time to
        > do the bilge panels,

        Are you referring to Nymph?

        > Dynamite just fills in with various chunks of wood in a
        > "cut to fit, file to line, paint to match" manner then those panels are
        > measured and the drawings modified to show the finished cutting lines.

        I think Bolger calculates the panel dimensions, but also incorporates
        corrections of errors discovered by the builders.

        > I am not a navel architect and some drawing conventions used by Phil do not
        > make much sense to one used to other methods of drawing details such as I used
        > when designing machines and equipment. Have had to use the "moaning chair" a
        > few times when things did not fit as well as I thought they should.

        Have you read Dynamite Payson's books, _Instant Boats_ and _New Instant Boats_?
        They both give pretty good tutorials for understanding the 'drawing conventions'
        used by Bolger.
      • John B. Trussell
        Though the designer shall remain nameless, I once purchased a set of plans with a 1 error on the side panels at the stem. The bilge panels obviously didn t
        Message 3 of 3 , Oct 4, 2005
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          Though the designer shall remain nameless, I once purchased a set of plans
          with a 1 " error on the side panels at the stem. The bilge panels obviously
          didn't fit. The solution was to install a "stealer" with what amounted to a
          fiberglass butt strap to "weld" the stealer to the bilge panel. Worked
          fine, though the lines of the finished boat differed slightly from the lines
          as drawn.

          Unless you are trying to build a one design which must be "measured" (in
          which case stitch and glue is probably not a good construction method,
          Mirror Dinghies being the exception which proves the rule), I don't think
          hitting the measurements exactly is as important as getting the boat
          straight and true.

          John T
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
          To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:39 PM
          Subject: Re: [bolger] Bolger, Payson partnership


          > On 10/4/05, catboat15@... <catboat15@...> wrote:
          >> From what I have read when Phil designs a multichine boat for Payson to
          >> build and market the bottom and side panels are laid out and when it is
          >> time to
          >> do the bilge panels,
          >
          > Are you referring to Nymph?
          >
          >> Dynamite just fills in with various chunks of wood in a
          >> "cut to fit, file to line, paint to match" manner then those panels are
          >> measured and the drawings modified to show the finished cutting lines.
          >
          > I think Bolger calculates the panel dimensions, but also incorporates
          > corrections of errors discovered by the builders.
          >
          >> I am not a navel architect and some drawing conventions used by Phil do
          >> not
          >> make much sense to one used to other methods of drawing details such as I
          >> used
          >> when designing machines and equipment. Have had to use the "moaning
          >> chair" a
          >> few times when things did not fit as well as I thought they should.
          >
          > Have you read Dynamite Payson's books, _Instant Boats_ and _New Instant
          > Boats_?
          > They both give pretty good tutorials for understanding the 'drawing
          > conventions'
          > used by Bolger.
          >
          >
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