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  • Gavin Atkin
    But why not build a Mouse? It wouldn t exist without Bolger, even though he hasn t to my knowledge designed anything quite like it. With a Mouse you get a
    Message 1 of 1 , Apr 7, 2005
      But why not build a Mouse? It wouldn't exist without Bolger, even though he
      hasn't to my knowledge designed anything quite like it.

      With a Mouse you get a light boat the kids can push around on a beach as
      needed, which they can't with a normal dinghy. You get a boat with a lot of
      safety built into the original concept, which sadly you don't with some of
      Bolger's designs. Mouse boats are cheap, and can be built cheap because
      they don't need to last - your waterbabies will grow and generally move on
      to more thrilling craft more fitted to their personal tastes within just
      three or four years at the most - I know because mine did.

      And if you build a Mouse, you can join a friendly Mousing community...

      Well, it's just an idea. I do understand, though - I'm a huge Bolger fan,
      but somehow I still haven't built a Bolger boat. The ones I really want
      haven't the space to build...

      But you give me an idea. My kids won't be with me in the summer for more
      than a few weeks, but a Teal might be just the ticket this summer... And my
      conscience would be assuaged :-)

      Gav


      At 17:22 07/04/2005, you wrote:


      >
      >There are 25 messages in this issue.
      >
      >Topics in this digest:
      >
      > 1. Re: Capsize
      > From: "muscongus" <muscongus@...>
      > 2. Re: Capsize
      > From: "John Cupp" <john@...>
      > 3. Re: Re: Capsize
      > From: "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
      > 4. Re: Re: Capsize
      > From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
      > 5. Bell's Puffer
      > From: "John Cupp" <john@...>
      > 6. Re: cushioned trailer bunks
      > From: "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@...>
      > 7. Re: Bell's Puffer
      > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
      > 8. Re: Re: Bell's Puffer
      > From: "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
      > 9. Sail track?
      > From: "dvd_godsey" <dvd_godsey@...>
      > 10. Re: Sail track?
      > From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
      > 11. Re: Sail track?
      > From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
      > 12. Re: Bell's Puffer
      > From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
      > 13. Re: Sail track?
      > From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
      > 14. Re: Sail track?
      > From: Harry James <welshman@...>
      > 15. Re: cushioned trailer bunks
      > From: Mark <marka@...>
      > 16. Re: Re: cushioned trailer bunks
      > From: "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@...>
      > 17. Re: Bell's Puffer
      > From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
      > 18. Bolger Content for Decision
      > From: "Paul McLellan" <paulmclellan@...>
      > 19. Re: Bell's Puffer
      > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
      > 20. Re: Bolger Content for Decision
      > From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
      > 21. Re: Bell's Puffer
      > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
      > 22. Minnesota
      > From: "brianqwerty1" <brianqwerty1@...>
      > 23. Re: Re: Bell's Puffer
      > From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
      > 24. Re: Bell's Puffer
      > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
      > 25. Re: Sail track?
      > From: "Wayne" <wtorry@...>
      >
      >
      >________________________________________________________________________
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      >
      >Message: 1
      > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:45:22 -0000
      > From: "muscongus" <muscongus@...>
      >Subject: Re: Capsize
      >
      >
      >Jeff,
      >Thanks for the link, I'll have a look at the modifications.
      >Jack
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 2
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:12:07 -0000
      > From: "John Cupp" <john@...>
      >Subject: Re: Capsize
      >
      >
      >I have sailed that area around the Golden Gate and commercial fished
      >from San Francisco for most of the years I was growing up. Before
      >environmentalism ( notice any type of PC behavior has Mental added
      >in) I was in the Sea Scouts at the Palo Alto Yacht Harbor down the
      >bay. We were shown how to beach a boat in relative safety in heavy
      >breaking surf. All you needed to do was carry some quart bottles of
      >5 weight oil. While you were coming in, in an emergency you would
      >throw an open can ahead and behind you. Now they use bottles but
      >this was done in the 1960's It flattens out all the breaking waves
      >and you get none of the bubbling churning surf, reducing the wave
      >height in the process.
      >
      >It is apparent that the people on that boat were asleep at the helm
      >or doing things unmentionable on this forum or they would have seen
      >their desperate situation. Maybe they were just trying to get close
      >enough to take pictures with a camera without the use of a telephoto
      >lens. I think they were crazy in that area.. Out a little further
      >and to the north of that area is a place called the potato patch
      >shoals and they are the most dangerous waters next to the Columbia
      >Bar on the West coast of the US. Not to mention that every year
      >there are Great White Shark attacks at the very beach those pictures
      >were taken. Even inside the Gate there are shark attacks often. It
      >is an amazing set of pictures showing what not to do. In a
      >situation where you need to get on shore you come straight in and
      >not at any angle to the beach. If you have a keel boat you try to
      >ride the wave height in until you finally hit bottom but using an
      >anchor for the boat and riding in on a rubber boat would be ten
      >times better than what they did. Hind sight is always twenty,
      >twenty but risking your life calls for oil.
      >
      >I cannot in this day an age see using oil to go through a surf
      >washed beach without being attacked by the surfers themselves who
      >would be mad as hell you ruined their surfing. But remember my
      >advice it really can save your life and make beaching a calm event
      >even when big waves are causing lots of turbulence in the water. At
      >least four cans of oil might be needed and that should give you a
      >window of about fifteen minutes to get on shore. You can use as
      >high as twenty weight but that tends to pool up and not spread
      >across the water surface as well. Remember I learned this trick in
      >the Sea Scouts and I don't want to kill birds, otters or clams
      >just
      >save a few lives. So if you are faced with running an inlet with
      >huge breaking waves and your life is in the balance, try it! I have
      >seen it work very well.
      >
      >John Cupp
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
      ><John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
      > > What a sad series of pictures. Happily no loss of life.
      > >
      > > The boat appears to be about 25 feet long with a fin keel. It was
      >overtaken by a breaking wave which appears to be about 15 feet
      >high. The result is an illustration of a wave induced broach--the
      >boat pitches forward; bow digs in; wave action lifts the stern and
      >the boat capsizes. Note that around picture 7 and 8 that the hull
      >has accelerated and the sails are aback.
      > >
      > > The hull self righted and appears to be floating on an even keel,
      >broadside to the waves. It is rolled again and, again it rights
      >itself, though subsequent pictures show it is down by the stern.
      >The cockpit is completely flooded and I would guess that the open
      >companionway allowed the cabin to flood as well. (perhaps the
      >rudder was torn off during the second capsize, opening up the back
      >of the hull?)
      > >
      > > As Bolger has written, no boat is immune to capsize; if you doubt
      >it, put a model boat in the surf at the beach or watch The Perfect
      >Storm. A boat can be designed to recover from a 180 degree capsize
      >(as this one did) and to be a corked bottle with a lot of bouyancy
      >(assuming the "corked bottle" doesn't break).
      > >
      > > Running with a large breaking wave is an invitation to disaster.
      >I would expect a Micro or a Micro Navigator would broach and capsize
      >under a 15 foot breaking wave. Assuming it held together and
      >assuming the hatches were closed and secured, I would expect it to
      >remain afloat, though it would almost certainly be dismasted.
      > >
      > > Stay away from breaking waves!
      > >
      > > John T
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Bruce Hallman
      > > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:03 AM
      > > Subject: [bolger] Capsize
      > >
      > >
      > > http://www.sfsurvey.com/photos/sail/index.htm
      > >
      > > Seeing these photos makes me contemplate
      > > just how my Micro Navigator would have reacted
      > > in this surf. I notice how the sinking was caused
      > > by water pouring into the cockpit and then the cabin,
      > > and the Micro Navigator doesn't have a cockpit.
      > >
      > > It also makes me more concious of sailing with
      > > the cabin hatch closed versus open.
      > >
      > > I also suspect that the force of the wave would
      > > have broken off the Micro Navigator masts.
      > >
      > > How would have the full length fin keel have changed
      > > the tendency of the hull to slew sideways under
      > > the force of the wave?
      > >
      > > Which Bolger boats would have survived a
      > > similar experience, and how?
      > >
      > >
      > > Bolger rules!!!
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      >Message: 3
      > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:18:29 +0800
      > From: "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
      >Subject: Re: Re: Capsize
      >
      >
      >Bruce Hallman wrote:
      > > I don't intend to take my Micro surfing, but the source of my
      > > curiousity is Phil Bolger's commission of the Micro Navigator
      > > was to design a boat suitable for circumnavigating Austrailia.
      > > I suspect it is possible in the Roaring Fourties to encounter
      > > very heavy seas. Probably not breaking upon shoals, but
      > > still some big stuff.
      >
      >Hi Bruce,
      >
      >a guy recently made the crossing from Tasmania to the mainland in a laser.
      >http://www.boatingoz.com.au/news05/0305.htm
      >"I always knew Lasers were fun down-wind, I reckon I caught a wave just
      >about
      >every 10 seconds for 13 and a half hours (4000+ waves)."
      >
      >Nevertheless, I suspect that it would be a brave fellow who would attempt
      >an
      >Australian circumnavigation in a Navigator. There are parts of the coast
      >where there are no safe harbours for many hundreds of kilometers, just
      >big cliffs and no human life. Up North the speed of the tidal currents may
      >exceed the hull speed of the boat. Winds in the midwest coast howl for
      >much of the year. Expect cyclones in the North. You would need to carry
      >great stock of provisions, especially water. I would suggest that such an
      >endeavour would be much more challenging than an atlantic crossing.
      >
      >Of course, it *could* be done. But the Navigator wouldn't be my choice
      >of vessel. I am sure Bolger has designed far more suitable boats.
      >I suspect that he was constrained to a Micro hull by the customer.
      >
      >Bruce Fountain
      >Systems Engineer
      >Union Switch & Signal
      >Perth, Western Australia
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 4
      > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:37:34 -0400
      > From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
      >Subject: Re: Re: Capsize
      >
      >I certainly hope this discussion is hypothetical. It makes perfect sense
      >to make a boat as strong as possible, but I think it is insanity to
      >voluntarily subject the boat to destructive testing in easily avoided
      >conditions and possibly bet your life on the outcome! Most of us sail for
      >pleasure--not for life or war or even profit. We might, through bad luck
      >or bad judgement get caught in rougher conditions than we might like, but
      >given any option, we are better advised to avoid the conditions rather
      >than challenge them.
      >
      >John T--a cowardly, but old sailor.
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Bruce Hallman
      > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:12 AM
      > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Capsize
      >
      >
      > > Does your loved one know about this "accident" under the bridge and
      > > your curiosity about whether a Navigator could stand up to it
      > > etc....?
      > > Peter Lenihan
      >
      > Well, when she saw the photos she asked if she could buy
      > one of those 'survival suits'.
      >
      > I don't intend to take my Micro surfing, but the source of my
      > curiousity is Phil Bolger's commission of the Micro Navigator
      > was to design a boat suitable for circumnavigating Austrailia.
      > I suspect it is possible in the Roaring Fourties to encounter
      > very heavy seas. Probably not breaking upon shoals, but
      > still some big stuff.
      >
      >
      > Bolger rules!!!
      > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
      > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
      > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
      > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
      > Fax: (978) 282-1349
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      >Message: 5
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:10:34 -0000
      > From: "John Cupp" <john@...>
      >Subject: Bell's Puffer
      >
      >
      >I don't ever remember seeing this design and I don't have the MAIB
      >V# 17 No 11 that it was in. Does anybody have a picture of this
      >boat, Bell's Puffer a 45 foot ocean crossing voyager. I'm still
      >looking for my big design to build. Mr. Bolger told me to build the
      >Loose Moose 2 or the version that was called Le Cabotin but I want a
      >small diesel for power and not an outboard since where I will be
      >going to and coming from demands better fuel consumption. The trip
      >down is all downwind but you have to motor sail most of the way
      >back. It would be nice to see this 45' vessel. Another reason is
      >that I don't want my wife to be able to hear the water slapping the
      >bow of the Loose Moose 2 to give her an excuse to take the launch to
      >town shopping rather than hearing any more waves. I can only
      >imagine inside the cavernous hull of this boat could elevate that
      >drumming sound since others have complained about it. Of course a
      >navigator version with the steel plate, a small diesel and a pointy
      >bow with a chain locker and bow sprit for a jib and maybe a mizzen
      >mast like the little brother would make it more acceptable. I would
      >not presume to know more than PCB and do that. I looked through the
      >design numbers and I saw Bell's Puffer and it may be more of what I
      >want.
      >
      >Thank You,
      >
      >John
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >Message: 6
      > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:15:01 -0400
      > From: "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@...>
      >Subject: Re: cushioned trailer bunks
      >
      >Take a leaf out of each spring?
      >
      >Roger
      >derbyrm@...
      >http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
      >
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: "Mark" <marka@...>
      >
      > > I've got a little HB utility trailer that's so stiff it knocks the stuff
      > > right out of a
      > > boat. Tried using fun noodles last year to soften the blows but they
      > > barely helped and
      > > don't last long. Low tire pressures aren't right for use with a low
      > > powered tow car.
      > >
      > > Any ideas, please?
      > > Mark
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 7
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:39:58 -0000
      > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
      >Subject: Re: Bell's Puffer
      >
      >
      >Here's files of Bolger's Puffer, but I wouln't call it an ocean
      >crosser, except as deck cargo on a freighter.
      >
      >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/
      >
      >Is Bell's Puffer a different design?
      >
      >Bruce Hector
      >http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000IslandFunRowers/
      >Rowed 7 miles today in my Michalak Sport Dory. 3.5 at lunch agaist the
      >wind and the same back with the wind after work.
      >
      >With the wind is better.
      >
      >What an outing. Other than darts, what other sport can you do while
      >drinking a beer? Even Peter Lenihan should like rowing.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 8
      > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:45:25 +0800
      > From: "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
      >Subject: Re: Re: Bell's Puffer
      >
      >
      >Bruce Hector wrote:
      > > What an outing. Other than darts, what other sport can you do while
      > > drinking a beer? Even Peter Lenihan should like rowing.
      >
      >I am having difficulty visualising a combination of the two
      >activities. How can you row with one hand? Or perhaps you have
      >one of those hats with the can holsters and straws.
      >
      >Bruce Fountain
      >Systems Engineer
      >Union Switch & Signal
      >Perth, Western Australia
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 9
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:53:32 -0000
      > From: "dvd_godsey" <dvd_godsey@...>
      >Subject: Sail track?
      >
      >
      >Received my plans today, studying the Sailmakers Apprentice and the
      >Gaff Rig Handbook (ISBN 0-93782206701 - an exceedingly nice book and
      >highly recommended!) for days plus surfing the web for supplies.
      >
      >The one item not located is mast track. Lots of folks have the
      >little
      >travelers, cringles, etc but no track. Does anyone know of a source?
      >
      >Nehalem Dave
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 10
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:04:37 -0000
      > From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
      >Subject: Re: Sail track?
      >
      >
      >--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey" <dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:
      > >no track. Does anyone know of a source?
      > >
      > > Nehalem Dave
      >
      >Try Defender Industries,in the U.S.A. A google search ought to pop
      >the web page for them,if they have one.Bought my Micro sail track from
      >them 12 years ago...........
      >
      >Sincerely,
      >
      >Peter Lenihan
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 11
      > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:09:05 -0700
      > From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
      >Subject: Re: Sail track?
      >
      > > The one item not located is mast track.
      > > Nehalem Dave
      >
      >West Marine has it in their catalogue, and the
      >stores will order the 12 foot lengths upon
      >request, saving you the freight cost.
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 12
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:12:18 -0000
      > From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
      >Subject: Re: Bell's Puffer
      >
      >
      >--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Fountain"
      ><fountain.bruce@a...> wrote:
      > > I am having difficulty visualising a combination of the two
      > > activities. How can you row with one hand? Or perhaps you have
      > > one of those hats with the can holsters and straws.
      > >
      > > Bruce Fountain
      > > Systems Engineer
      > > Union Switch & Signal
      > > Perth, Western Australia
      >
      >Bruce,
      >
      >Things may be different in your part of the world but up here we are
      >allowed to put the beer down every once in a while :-)
      >I like the hat trick but fear that both I and Bruce Hector(the evil
      >influence in my otherwise virginal existance) would do serious
      >damage to our neck bones from the weight of a "2 four" each
      >balancing up top of our noggins'...........
      >
      >Sincerely,
      >
      >Peter,"the saintly one",Lenihan,workin' up a mighty fierce thirst
      >just thinkin' about it.................
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 13
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:35:27 -0000
      > From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
      >Subject: Re: Sail track?
      >
      >
      >--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey" <dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:
      >
      >Just went to find defender industries and saw that they appear to no
      >longer carry sail track?!
      >Go with Bruces' suggestion,they do have track in 6 and 12 foot lengths:
      >
      >http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?
      >storeId=10001&langId=-
      >1&catalogId=10001&productId=71951&catalogId=10001&classNum=494&subdeptN
      >um=448&storeNum=2
      >
      >Hope the link works!
      >
      >Peter Lenihan
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      >Message: 14
      > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:19:28 -0800
      > From: Harry James <welshman@...>
      >Subject: Re: Sail track?
      >
      >For a start
      >
      >http://shop.torresen.com/shipsstore/shopping/
      >
      >If you google Sail Track you will get a lot of hits.
      >
      >HJ
      >
      >dvd_godsey wrote:
      >
      > >Received my plans today, studying the Sailmakers Apprentice and the
      > >Gaff Rig Handbook (ISBN 0-93782206701 - an exceedingly nice book and
      > >highly recommended!) for days plus surfing the web for supplies.
      > >
      > >The one item not located is mast track. Lots of folks have the
      > >little
      > >travelers, cringles, etc but no track. Does anyone know of a source?
      > >
      > >Nehalem Dave
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >Bolger rules!!!
      > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
      > >- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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      > >- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
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      >Message: 15
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:24:05 -0700
      > From: Mark <marka@...>
      >Subject: Re: cushioned trailer bunks
      >
      >Thanks for the idea, Roger.
      >I was hoping not to go that far, and aren't even sure it can be done.
      >
      >These are what they call 'slipper springs'. Just two thin leaves, one is
      >partial on the
      >underside. There's a clip going round one end of the pair to bind them;
      >the other end has
      >none, so I think the supplemental leaf must be bonded on somehow. Can't be
      >just the shape
      >that keeps it there.
      >
      >Lighter springs may be available. But the expense brings this rig into the
      >zone of false
      >economy. On the other hand, if it saves the boat a beating, could be worth
      >it now.
      >
      >Guess I'll look for some 8 or 10 inch boat fenders.
      >Mark
      >
      >
      >Roger Derby wrote:
      > >
      > > Take a leaf out of each spring?
      >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > >
      > > > I've got a little HB utility trailer that's so stiff it knocks the stuff
      > > > right out of a
      > > > boat.
      >
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      >Message: 16
      > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 04:34:00 -0400
      > From: "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@...>
      >Subject: Re: Re: cushioned trailer bunks
      >
      >They probably are bonded at only one end; it's the nature of the beast.
      >There used to be little flat squares of graphite laden cloth and ?? that one
      >could put between the leaves to lessen the friction, eliminate squeaks, etc.
      >
      >You could also have the shorter leaf bent almost straight so that it only
      >applied itself when the main leaf was about to revert. It's a little
      >spookier since the heating and cooling affect the temper. There used to be
      >lots of blacksmiths that knew all about adjusting leaf springs. It is
      >easier for the non-smith to add capacity with extra leaves, helper coils, or
      >pneumatic pillows.
      >
      >Roger
      >derbyrm@...
      >http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: "Mark" <marka@...>
      >To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
      >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:24 AM
      >Subject: [bolger] Re: cushioned trailer bunks
      >
      >
      > >
      > > Thanks for the idea, Roger.
      > > I was hoping not to go that far, and aren't even sure it can be done.
      > >
      > > These are what they call 'slipper springs'. Just two thin leaves, one is
      > > partial on the
      > > underside. There's a clip going round one end of the pair to bind them;
      > > the other end has
      > > none, so I think the supplemental leaf must be bonded on somehow. Can't be
      > > just the shape
      > > that keeps it there.
      > >
      > > Lighter springs may be available. But the expense brings this rig into the
      > > zone of false
      > > economy. On the other hand, if it saves the boat a beating, could be worth
      > > it now.
      > >
      > > Guess I'll look for some 8 or 10 inch boat fenders.
      > > Mark
      > >
      > >
      > > Roger Derby wrote:
      > >>
      > >> Take a leaf out of each spring?
      > >
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >>
      > >> > I've got a little HB utility trailer that's so stiff it knocks the
      > >> > stuff
      > >> > right out of a
      > >> > boat.
      > >
      > >
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      > > Bolger rules!!!
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      > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
      > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
      > > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
      > > (978) 282-1349
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      >Message: 17
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:59:57 -0000
      > From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
      >Subject: Re: Bell's Puffer
      >
      >
      >--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
      >wrote:
      > >
      > > Here's files of Bolger's Puffer, > What an outing. Other than
      >darts, what other sport can you do while
      > > drinking a beer? Even Peter Lenihan should like rowing.
      >
      >BBB,
      >
      > "Bells Puffer" is certainly differenter then the Puffer I put in
      >that file,which if I recall right,Bolger refered to as a marina type
      >cruiser of sorts with houseboat/mobile home like features.I wouldn't
      >want to take Puffer across any ocean :-)
      > And who said I DIDN'T like rowing? I love it! As to "what other
      >sports can you do while drinkin' beer?" Well here is my short list
      >of ones I've tried,at least once,with remarkable success :
      >bicyle riding
      >sailing
      >canoeing
      >baseball
      >football
      >golf
      >skiing
      >ski-booting( you're a real Canadian if you know what that is:-))
      >tobaganing,without a sled.....long story there!
      >skating,without skates....longer story there!
      >swimming,without a swim suit.....oh!oh!
      >
      >And that is just the short list! So don't go off makin' it all sound
      >like darts-n-rowing are the cats' ass of beer sports. The sky is the
      >limit or whenever the cops show up....whichever comes first!
      >
      >
      >Sincerely,
      >
      >Peter,of the virgin constitution,Lenihan...awaiting the Spring-time
      >boatshop visit of one Big Bad Bruce to sample some recent Ports,some
      >early Ports and some late Ports all the while viewing the winter
      >production of his younger accolite...............
      >
      >
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      >Message: 18
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:51:00 -0000
      > From: "Paul McLellan" <paulmclellan@...>
      >Subject: Bolger Content for Decision
      >
      >
      >What a situation to face. I am planning a family boatbuilding
      >workshop for some children ages 6 to 12 where they can build a simple
      >boat and be on the water quick. so far we have seen and liked the
      >mouseboat and are stuck with that one in our heads, but it ain't a
      >bolger boat.
      >I feel that it would be only fair to seriously consider a bolger boat
      >for this project. (three boats at least)
      >If anyone has a suggestion for a small light boat for us to build,
      >please give me your 2 cents worth asap.
      >I plan to build one of them from 3mm marine from noah's and
      >incorporate handles into the boat for ease of use for the children.
      >Also I like the incorporated flotation in the mouse for safety. all
      >these children are water babies and are looking forward to the project.
      >Thanks for any comments.
      >
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      >Message: 19
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:43:01 -0000
      > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
      >Subject: Re: Bell's Puffer
      >
      >
      >--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@h...>
      >wrote: "
      > >
      > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
      > > wrote: "Well here is my short list of ones I've tried,at least
      >once,with remarkable success :
      > > bicyle riding
      > > sailing
      > > canoeing
      > > baseball
      > > football
      > > golf
      > > skiing
      > > ski-booting( you're a real Canadian if you know what that is:-))
      > > tobaganing,without a sled.....long story there!
      > > skating,without skates....longer story there!
      > > swimming,without a swim suit.....oh!oh!
      >
      >I apologise Peter, I wrote that in far to much haste. I remember
      >drinking a can of beer at 60 feet while scuba diving on the Aloha, a
      >local wreck. Very interestin. As you took a gulp, the can made
      >a "TUNK TUNK" noise and crushed itself a little. When the can was
      >finished, it was flat as a pancake, and I didn't even have to bang it
      >on my forehead!
      >
      >The of course there's:
      >Flying
      >Hiking
      >Table Tennis
      >Boatbuilding & moaning
      >Competitive eating
      >Checkers
      >Strip Chess
      >Chug-a-lug contests
      >Motorcycling
      >Gunnel Bobbing (possibly another unique Canadian activity. You stand
      >on the gunnels of a canoe and rhythemicly flex your kness which
      >magically propells the boat forward. Steering is by leaning. I
      >believe beer is a prerequisite for this one.
      >Not to mention private indoor, outdoor and below decks sports
      >involving another crewmember or two.....
      >
      >Bruce Hector
      >Who doesn't own a construction helmet, but can set a can of beer on a
      >thwart or sole with the best of them.
      >Hoping to steal a day away from my training schedule to visit the
      >Lenihan boatshop next week.
      >
      >
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      >Message: 20
      > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:19:34 -0700
      > From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
      >Subject: Re: Bolger Content for Decision
      >
      > > I feel that it would be only fair to seriously consider a bolger boat
      > > for this project. (three boats at least)
      > > If anyone has a suggestion for a small light boat for us to build,
      > > please give me your 2 cents worth asap.
      >
      >http://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
      >
      >H.H. Payson wrote _Instant Boats_, a book with extremely good detail
      >on the construction of the Bolger boat, Teal, a 12 ft row/sail boat and
      >a good beginners choice.
      >
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      >Message: 21
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:30:11 -0000
      > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
      >Subject: Re: Bell's Puffer
      >
      >
      >I just thought of another:
      >
      >While looking at a file or photo of the real "Bell's Puffer".
      >
      >Anyone got a shot?
      >
      >Bruce Hector
      >Sober and stupid as ever on the other end of the mighty St. Lawrence.
      >Glad that I'm upstream of Peter and he's downstream of ....er .... me.
      >
      >
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      >Message: 22
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:19:51 -0000
      > From: "brianqwerty1" <brianqwerty1@...>
      >Subject: Minnesota
      >
      >
      >I am looking to build a flat bottom sharpie
      >The tennesee, Idaho, Minnesota and Wyoming all appeal
      >I like the look of this power sharpie Minnesota the best because of
      >its size
      >I am on the Murray River in Australia
      >I think the wyoming is a bit big
      >Is there any more info on the Minnesota other than the scans on this
      >site????????????
      >They are a bit fussy even when I expand them
      >This boat seems close to the boat I want to Build
      >Where can these plans be purchased
      >
      >Regards Brian
      >
      >
      >
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      >Message: 23
      > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:28:02 -0700
      > From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
      >Subject: Re: Re: Bell's Puffer
      >
      > > While looking at a file or photo of the real "Bell's Puffer".
      > > Anyone got a shot?
      > > Bruce Hector
      >
      >Yes please, someone 'round here with a collection
      >of old MAIB's look up Vol# 17 No 11...TIA!
      >
      >
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      >Message: 24
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:30:52 -0000
      > From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
      >Subject: Re: Bell's Puffer
      >
      >
      >This is the only hit I got off Yahoo with +"Bell's Puffer" and +Bolger.
      >
      >It was in MAIB, Issue 17, volume 11, page 26
      >
      > Ocean Passagemakers
      > #634 Bell's Puffer 45' Ocean Pasagemaker 17 11 26
      >
      >Anyone got that issue?
      >
      >Bruce Hector
      >
      >
      >
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      >Message: 25
      > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:20:50 -0000
      > From: "Wayne" <wtorry@...>
      >Subject: Re: Sail track?
      >
      >
      >--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey" <dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Received my plans today, studying the Sailmakers Apprentice and the
      > > Gaff Rig Handbook (ISBN 0-93782206701 - an exceedingly nice book and
      > > highly recommended!) for days plus surfing the web for supplies.
      > >
      > > The one item not located is mast track. Lots of folks have the
      > > little
      > > travelers, cringles, etc but no track. Does anyone know of a source?
      > >
      > > Nehalem Dave
      >
      >No clue what plans for what boat, but here's a thought: mast hoops.
      >Make them yourself or buy them.
      >
      >Wayne
      >In the Swamp.
      >
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