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  • doug6949
    Our local lawnmower shop carries them. I suppose any B&S authorized agent could get one. Doug
    Message 1 of 17 , Apr 2, 2005
      Our local lawnmower shop carries them. I suppose any B&S authorized
      agent could get one.

      Doug

      --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Spoering" <spoering@e...> wrote:

      > The stainless model sounds very interesting - Anyone know who
      > retails these B&S outboards ? ? ?
    • Zack Tiger
      I just purchased a B&S 5hp outboard to use on my 17 square stern canoe. This may seem like a lot of motor for a canoe, but she is 42 wide, and as stable as a
      Message 2 of 17 , May 6, 2005
        I just purchased a B&S 5hp outboard to use on my 17'
        square stern canoe. This may seem like a lot of motor
        for a canoe, but she is 42" wide, and as stable as a
        pontoon boat!
        I love this motor! Light weight, easy starting, very
        quiet, no mussing with oil mixes, etc., etc. It comes
        with a 3 gallon fuel tank, and is available in either
        black finish, or "Marshland Camo". Retail price is
        $749 for black and $849 for camo.
        Website is
        http://www.briggsandstratton.com/display/router.asp?docid=76403
        The engine is EPA-CARB compliant,for all of us
        environmentally concerned types, has electronic
        ignition and is warrantied for two years.
        Forward/reverse engagement is positive, with no gear
        clashing. Any local Briggs lawn and garden dealer can
        get it for you. (It took mine two days to come in, and
        cost me $995 CDN dollars for the black unit). She
        starts first rip every time.
        Thanks,Shawn



        --- John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:
        > Hi All - -
        >
        > The stainless model sounds very interesting -
        > Anyone know who retails
        > these B&S outboards ? ? ?
        >
        > Aloha - Jack - Florida
        > > [Original Message]
        > > From: John Cupp <john@...>
        > > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
        > > Date: 4/1/2005 5:38:50 PM
        > > Subject: [bolger] Re: Inexpensive ourboard power!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Stewart"
        > <stewtone@m...> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey"
        > <dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:
        > > > >.
        > > > >
        > > > > These guys retail for under $400, about the
        > same price as a good
        > > > > quality, electric trolling unit and less than
        > a new 4-stroke
        > > > > engine.
        > > >
        > > > Yes, but the trolling motors are QUIET, and the
        > 4-strokes aren't much
        > > > worse. I've never used a Stihl auger, so I don't
        > know how noisy it
        > > is,
        > > > but I used to have a Stihl chain saw, and both a
        > chain saw and a weed
        > > > whacker are so noisy that hearing either on what
        > was a nice quiet
        > > pond
        > > > is all that would be needed to plead justifiable
        > homicide.
        > > >
        > > > Chris Stewart
        > >
        > > I agree Chris, I have used one of tose machines
        > and when you rent one
        > > it is mandatory they have to give you hearing
        > protection while you use
        > > it. I just did an article for duckworks not too
        > long ago about the
        > > Briggs & Stratton 5 hp outboard. It is quiet and
        > I used it to push a
        > > big catalina sailboat as an experiment. The enter
        > board was down and
        > > it would pushit at over 6 + knots a little over
        > half throttle. I hung
        > > it on my brick and I could plane the Brick with
        > it. The onl problem
        > > is that unlike Honda and all the other four stroke
        > motors it is air
        > > cooled and does not have a balance countter
        > rotating shaft to stop
        > > vibration from the one cylinder. So at full
        > throtle it vibrates a
        > > little but at any less speed it is a very nice
        > motor.
        > >
        > > They cameout with their three HP electric motor
        > and it works about the
        > > same as the five hp gas engine but no vibration
        > and about the same
        > > noise level. I talked with the design engineer on
        > the outboad projects
        > > and they are about to introduce a stainless model
        > for salt water for
        > > the gas engine. I use it on the lake on a
        > fourteen foot glass boat and
        > > rigged a throtel and steering for it with gear
        > shift so I can drive
        > > behind the steering wheel and with my wife and I
        > it barley planes at
        > > about 8 knots but it is a old heavy glass boat.
        > On a diablo it would
        > > haul butt. The day I took the reading with my GPS
        > it was real choppy
        > > also.
        > >
        > > When they come out with the stainles model for the
        > ocean I'll buy one
        > > for a pusher for my boat I am buildng when I sail
        > to mexico each
        > > winter. If it can push one of those big catalina
        > high freboard heavy
        > > fiberglass boats it should push around a nice
        > wooden boat with no
        > > problem
        > >
        > > John C.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • Wesley Cox
        I ve given serious thought to the same motor. The price is right, especially for B&S and 4 stroke and the power is right for my needs. My concern is the
        Message 3 of 17 , May 8, 2005
          I've given serious thought to the same motor. The price is right,
          especially for B&S and 4 stroke and the power is right for my needs. My
          concern is the noise of an air cooled outboard. I've read reports from
          'they sound like a lawn mower on water' to very quiet and have yet to
          find a retailer willing to let me hear one running. If you don't mind,
          can you give your opinion of the noise level relative to a water cooled
          outboard? Just as quiet? Thanks.

          Zack Tiger wrote:

          > I just purchased a B&S 5hp outboard to use on my 17'
          > square stern canoe. This may seem like a lot of motor
          > for a canoe, but she is 42" wide, and as stable as a
          > pontoon boat!
          > I love this motor! Light weight, easy starting, very
          > quiet, no mussing with oil mixes, etc., etc. It comes
          > with a 3 gallon fuel tank, and is available in either
          > black finish, or "Marshland Camo". Retail price is
          > $749 for black and $849 for camo.
          > Website is
          > http://www.briggsandstratton.com/display/router.asp?docid=76403
          > The engine is EPA-CARB compliant,for all of us
          > environmentally concerned types, has electronic
          > ignition and is warrantied for two years.
          > Forward/reverse engagement is positive, with no gear
          > clashing. Any local Briggs lawn and garden dealer can
          > get it for you. (It took mine two days to come in, and
          > cost me $995 CDN dollars for the black unit). She
          > starts first rip every time.
          > Thanks,Shawn
          >
          >
          >
          > --- John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:
          > > Hi All - -
          > >
          > > The stainless model sounds very interesting -
          > > Anyone know who retails
          > > these B&S outboards ? ? ?
          > >
          > > Aloha - Jack - Florida
          > > > [Original Message]
          > > > From: John Cupp <john@...>
          > > > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > Date: 4/1/2005 5:38:50 PM
          > > > Subject: [bolger] Re: Inexpensive ourboard power!
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Stewart"
          > > <stewtone@m...> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey"
          > > <dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:
          > > > > >.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > These guys retail for under $400, about the
          > > same price as a good
          > > > > > quality, electric trolling unit and less than
          > > a new 4-stroke
          > > > > > engine.
          > > > >
          > > > > Yes, but the trolling motors are QUIET, and the
          > > 4-strokes aren't much
          > > > > worse. I've never used a Stihl auger, so I don't
          > > know how noisy it
          > > > is,
          > > > > but I used to have a Stihl chain saw, and both a
          > > chain saw and a weed
          > > > > whacker are so noisy that hearing either on what
          > > was a nice quiet
          > > > pond
          > > > > is all that would be needed to plead justifiable
          > > homicide.
          > > > >
          > > > > Chris Stewart
          > > >
          > > > I agree Chris, I have used one of tose machines
          > > and when you rent one
          > > > it is mandatory they have to give you hearing
          > > protection while you use
          > > > it. I just did an article for duckworks not too
          > > long ago about the
          > > > Briggs & Stratton 5 hp outboard. It is quiet and
          > > I used it to push a
          > > > big catalina sailboat as an experiment. The enter
          > > board was down and
          > > > it would pushit at over 6 + knots a little over
          > > half throttle. I hung
          > > > it on my brick and I could plane the Brick with
          > > it. The onl problem
          > > > is that unlike Honda and all the other four stroke
          > > motors it is air
          > > > cooled and does not have a balance countter
          > > rotating shaft to stop
          > > > vibration from the one cylinder. So at full
          > > throtle it vibrates a
          > > > little but at any less speed it is a very nice
          > > motor.
          > > >
          > > > They cameout with their three HP electric motor
          > > and it works about the
          > > > same as the five hp gas engine but no vibration
          > > and about the same
          > > > noise level. I talked with the design engineer on
          > > the outboad projects
          > > > and they are about to introduce a stainless model
          > > for salt water for
          > > > the gas engine. I use it on the lake on a
          > > fourteen foot glass boat and
          > > > rigged a throtel and steering for it with gear
          > > shift so I can drive
          > > > behind the steering wheel and with my wife and I
          > > it barley planes at
          > > > about 8 knots but it is a old heavy glass boat.
          > > On a diablo it would
          > > > haul butt. The day I took the reading with my GPS
          > > it was real choppy
          > > > also.
          > > >
          > > > When they come out with the stainles model for the
          > > ocean I'll buy one
          > > > for a pusher for my boat I am buildng when I sail
          > > to mexico each
          > > > winter. If it can push one of those big catalina
          > > high freboard heavy
          > > > fiberglass boats it should push around a nice
          > > wooden boat with no
          > > > problem
          > > >
          > > > John C.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Bolger rules!!!
          > > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or
          > > flogging dead horses
          > > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no
          > > 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
          > > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your
          > > posts, and snip away
          > > > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
          > > Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
          > > (978) 282-1349
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        • John Cupp
          Hi Guys, If you re a member of Duckworks you can read my review of the 5 HP Briggs and Stratton. I have a Honda 10 hp and the Briggs 5 HP that when running
          Message 4 of 17 , May 8, 2005
            Hi Guys,

            If you're a member of Duckworks you can read my review of the 5 HP
            Briggs and Stratton. I have a Honda 10 hp and the Briggs 5 HP that
            when running together you ca not tell the sound difference in
            decibels. The Honda costs considerably more, has a counter
            rotating balancing shaft to control vibration and is water cooled..
            But in some ways the Briggs beats the Honda! The Honda takes at
            least two pulls to start most of the time but it does start. The
            Briggs engine starts on the first pull and is quiet. In five below
            weather the engine starts with one pull. At one hundred degrees the
            engine starts on one pull. I bought a Helms Mate extension handle
            by Ironwood Pacific and then mounted the Briggs on the back of
            Bolger Brick . When I was centered using the extension handle
            perfectly in the Brick it would plane. It is not supposed to plane
            but it does.

            The Briggs does have one problem. It vibrates at high speed, full
            throttle. During regular running it does not vibrate as bad but
            unlike the Honda it costs $795.00 retail and it is a one
            cylinder. During my review I spoke with the design engineer and
            it is an entirely new designed engine, not a lawn mower. I have
            installed a prop guard on it that looks something like a Kort
            nozzle. It did not fit properly and you can not get after market
            props that would have been bigger to make the device better. I
            used the Briggs on a boat sitting on a trailer I wanted to buy but
            the boat went with the trailer. It was an old fiberglass fifteen
            foot boat sitting on a trailer made for a boat 20+ feet long. It
            has some nice fittings so I will saw the hull up with my Porter-
            Cable Tiger saw into small chunks but the Briggs made the boat move
            at 14 mph. Not enough to get the foam water soaked hull on plane
            but just about.

            The boat ran from one end of a thirty eight mile long lake to the
            other and back to my house and dock on the shore line. I was just
            puttering around and the boat ran all the time and my wife and I
            could carry on a conversation at all times even at full throttle. I
            modified a bracket and put the cable steering on the motor then
            built a throttle bracket and a gear shift bracket on to the motor
            from an old Evenrude outboard control system. You could not feel
            the vibration from the helm but if you hold the tiller you can. When
            we ended the trip I burned a huge amount of fuel, 1 .3 gallons of
            fuel I gave the Briggs my best buy in four stroke engines. You
            might find a better five horsepower engine but it will cost almost
            triple the price. Plus the Briggs and Stratton is made in the USA.

            I like the Honda but the Briggs beats the fuel mileage hands down.
            I want to build a twenty foot dory with a motor well in it for
            fishing the big rainbows on the big Upper Klamath Lake and the
            Briggs will power it. I once had a drift boat that had a motor well
            and nearly asphyxiated myself with a two stroke motor. The Briggs
            will not do that. Go sign up at Duckworks and read Johns Tool
            Crib. There are some pictures with the Briggs on the Brick and
            using my lawn tractor with it's trailer to launch the Brick. I
            almost forgot that I used the Briggs on my Pelican sailboat without
            the mast and all unnecessary weight. It made it plane but it is
            very light with a flat bottom, 12 feet long. Buy the motor and you
            will not be disappointed.

            The only other problem is that the company will not warranty the
            motor when used in salt water. They don't have any zinc plugs on
            it. The engineer is working on a stainless steel model but I bet
            with zinc anodes I would run for a long time. It does take in water
            to cool the transmission but not the motor head. If any thing
            happened to the transmission I do not think the service center could
            tell it was in salt water if you pump clean water through it like
            you are supposed to anyway with any motor in salt water. I am going
            to use this motor for my launch on the bigger boat I will be
            building to travel to Mexico with every winter. I will hose the
            motor with clean water and have a soluble oil bucket to run the
            motor in for a few minutes after each use. I can replace the lower
            end since the motor is air cooled. If push comes to shove I think
            this little power house could push the boat I sailed down in if the
            diesel motor failed and there was no wind.

            John Cupp








            --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Wesley Cox <inspiredfe@m...> wrote:
            > I've given serious thought to the same motor. The price is right,
            > especially for B&S and 4 stroke and the power is right for my
            needs. My
            > concern is the noise of an air cooled outboard. I've read reports
            from
            > 'they sound like a lawn mower on water' to very quiet and have yet
            to
            > find a retailer willing to let me hear one running. If you don't
            mind,
            > can you give your opinion of the noise level relative to a water
            cooled
            > outboard? Just as quiet? Thanks.
            >
            > Zack Tiger wrote:
            >
            > > I just purchased a B&S 5hp outboard to use on my 17'
            > > square stern canoe. This may seem like a lot of motor
            > > for a canoe, but she is 42" wide, and as stable as a
            > > pontoon boat!
            > > I love this motor! Light weight, easy starting, very
            > > quiet, no mussing with oil mixes, etc., etc. It comes
            > > with a 3 gallon fuel tank, and is available in either
            > > black finish, or "Marshland Camo". Retail price is
            > > $749 for black and $849 for camo.
            > > Website is
            > > http://www.briggsandstratton.com/display/router.asp?docid=76403
            > > The engine is EPA-CARB compliant,for all of us
            > > environmentally concerned types, has electronic
            > > ignition and is warrantied for two years.
            > > Forward/reverse engagement is positive, with no gear
            > > clashing. Any local Briggs lawn and garden dealer can
            > > get it for you. (It took mine two days to come in, and
            > > cost me $995 CDN dollars for the black unit). She
            > > starts first rip every time.
            > > Thanks,Shawn
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > --- John Spoering <spoering@e...> wrote:
            > > > Hi All - -
            > > >
            > > > The stainless model sounds very interesting -
            > > > Anyone know who retails
            > > > these B&S outboards ? ? ?
            > > >
            > > > Aloha - Jack - Florida
            > > > > [Original Message]
            > > > > From: John Cupp <john@k...>
            > > > > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > Date: 4/1/2005 5:38:50 PM
            > > > > Subject: [bolger] Re: Inexpensive ourboard power!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Stewart"
            > > > <stewtone@m...> wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey"
            > > > <dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:
            > > > > > >.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > These guys retail for under $400, about the
            > > > same price as a good
            > > > > > > quality, electric trolling unit and less than
            > > > a new 4-stroke
            > > > > > > engine.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Yes, but the trolling motors are QUIET, and the
            > > > 4-strokes aren't much
            > > > > > worse. I've never used a Stihl auger, so I don't
            > > > know how noisy it
            > > > > is,
            > > > > > but I used to have a Stihl chain saw, and both a
            > > > chain saw and a weed
            > > > > > whacker are so noisy that hearing either on what
            > > > was a nice quiet
            > > > > pond
            > > > > > is all that would be needed to plead justifiable
            > > > homicide.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Chris Stewart
            > > > >
            > > > > I agree Chris, I have used one of tose machines
            > > > and when you rent one
            > > > > it is mandatory they have to give you hearing
            > > > protection while you use
            > > > > it. I just did an article for duckworks not too
            > > > long ago about the
            > > > > Briggs & Stratton 5 hp outboard. It is quiet and
            > > > I used it to push a
            > > > > big catalina sailboat as an experiment. The enter
            > > > board was down and
            > > > > it would pushit at over 6 + knots a little over
            > > > half throttle. I hung
            > > > > it on my brick and I could plane the Brick with
            > > > it. The onl problem
            > > > > is that unlike Honda and all the other four stroke
            > > > motors it is air
            > > > > cooled and does not have a balance countter
            > > > rotating shaft to stop
            > > > > vibration from the one cylinder. So at full
            > > > throtle it vibrates a
            > > > > little but at any less speed it is a very nice
            > > > motor.
            > > > >
            > > > > They cameout with their three HP electric motor
            > > > and it works about the
            > > > > same as the five hp gas engine but no vibration
            > > > and about the same
            > > > > noise level. I talked with the design engineer on
            > > > the outboad projects
            > > > > and they are about to introduce a stainless model
            > > > for salt water for
            > > > > the gas engine. I use it on the lake on a
            > > > fourteen foot glass boat and
            > > > > rigged a throtel and steering for it with gear
            > > > shift so I can drive
            > > > > behind the steering wheel and with my wife and I
            > > > it barley planes at
            > > > > about 8 knots but it is a old heavy glass boat.
            > > > On a diablo it would
            > > > > haul butt. The day I took the reading with my GPS
            > > > it was real choppy
            > > > > also.
            > > > >
            > > > > When they come out with the stainles model for the
            > > > ocean I'll buy one
            > > > > for a pusher for my boat I am buildng when I sail
            > > > to mexico each
            > > > > winter. If it can push one of those big catalina
            > > > high freboard heavy
            > > > > fiberglass boats it should push around a nice
            > > > wooden boat with no
            > > > > problem
            > > > >
            > > > > John C.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Bolger rules!!!
            > > > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or
            > > > flogging dead horses
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            > > > 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
            > > > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your
            > > > posts, and snip away
            > > > > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
            > > > Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
            > > > (978) 282-1349
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            horses
            > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks,
            Fred' posts
            > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip
            away
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            01930,
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          • Wesley Cox
            Thank you very much for the abundant details and I will read the Duckworks article.
            Message 5 of 17 , May 8, 2005
              Thank you very much for the abundant details and I will read the
              Duckworks article.

              John Cupp wrote:

              > Hi Guys,
              >
              > If you're a member of Duckworks you can read my review of the 5 HP
              > Briggs and Stratton. I have a Honda 10 hp and the Briggs 5 HP that
              > when running together you ca not tell the sound difference in
              > decibels. The Honda costs considerably more, has a counter
              > rotating balancing shaft to control vibration and is water cooled..
              > But in some ways the Briggs beats the Honda! The Honda takes at
              > least two pulls to start most of the time but it does start. The
              > Briggs engine starts on the first pull and is quiet. In five below
              > weather the engine starts with one pull. At one hundred degrees the
              > engine starts on one pull. I bought a Helms Mate extension handle
              > by Ironwood Pacific and then mounted the Briggs on the back of
              > Bolger Brick . When I was centered using the extension handle
              > perfectly in the Brick it would plane. It is not supposed to plane
              > but it does.
              >
              > The Briggs does have one problem. It vibrates at high speed, full
              > throttle. During regular running it does not vibrate as bad but
              > unlike the Honda it costs $795.00 retail and it is a one
              > cylinder. During my review I spoke with the design engineer and
              > it is an entirely new designed engine, not a lawn mower. I have
              > installed a prop guard on it that looks something like a Kort
              > nozzle. It did not fit properly and you can not get after market
              > props that would have been bigger to make the device better. I
              > used the Briggs on a boat sitting on a trailer I wanted to buy but
              > the boat went with the trailer. It was an old fiberglass fifteen
              > foot boat sitting on a trailer made for a boat 20+ feet long. It
              > has some nice fittings so I will saw the hull up with my Porter-
              > Cable Tiger saw into small chunks but the Briggs made the boat move
              > at 14 mph. Not enough to get the foam water soaked hull on plane
              > but just about.
              >
              > The boat ran from one end of a thirty eight mile long lake to the
              > other and back to my house and dock on the shore line. I was just
              > puttering around and the boat ran all the time and my wife and I
              > could carry on a conversation at all times even at full throttle. I
              > modified a bracket and put the cable steering on the motor then
              > built a throttle bracket and a gear shift bracket on to the motor
              > from an old Evenrude outboard control system. You could not feel
              > the vibration from the helm but if you hold the tiller you can. When
              > we ended the trip I burned a huge amount of fuel, 1 .3 gallons of
              > fuel I gave the Briggs my best buy in four stroke engines. You
              > might find a better five horsepower engine but it will cost almost
              > triple the price. Plus the Briggs and Stratton is made in the USA.
              >
              > I like the Honda but the Briggs beats the fuel mileage hands down.
              > I want to build a twenty foot dory with a motor well in it for
              > fishing the big rainbows on the big Upper Klamath Lake and the
              > Briggs will power it. I once had a drift boat that had a motor well
              > and nearly asphyxiated myself with a two stroke motor. The Briggs
              > will not do that. Go sign up at Duckworks and read Johns Tool
              > Crib. There are some pictures with the Briggs on the Brick and
              > using my lawn tractor with it's trailer to launch the Brick. I
              > almost forgot that I used the Briggs on my Pelican sailboat without
              > the mast and all unnecessary weight. It made it plane but it is
              > very light with a flat bottom, 12 feet long. Buy the motor and you
              > will not be disappointed.
              >
              > The only other problem is that the company will not warranty the
              > motor when used in salt water. They don't have any zinc plugs on
              > it. The engineer is working on a stainless steel model but I bet
              > with zinc anodes I would run for a long time. It does take in water
              > to cool the transmission but not the motor head. If any thing
              > happened to the transmission I do not think the service center could
              > tell it was in salt water if you pump clean water through it like
              > you are supposed to anyway with any motor in salt water. I am going
              > to use this motor for my launch on the bigger boat I will be
              > building to travel to Mexico with every winter. I will hose the
              > motor with clean water and have a soluble oil bucket to run the
              > motor in for a few minutes after each use. I can replace the lower
              > end since the motor is air cooled. If push comes to shove I think
              > this little power house could push the boat I sailed down in if the
              > diesel motor failed and there was no wind.
              >
              > John Cupp
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Wesley Cox <inspiredfe@m...> wrote:
              > > I've given serious thought to the same motor. The price is right,
              > > especially for B&S and 4 stroke and the power is right for my
              > needs. My
              > > concern is the noise of an air cooled outboard. I've read reports
              > from
              > > 'they sound like a lawn mower on water' to very quiet and have yet
              > to
              > > find a retailer willing to let me hear one running. If you don't
              > mind,
              > > can you give your opinion of the noise level relative to a water
              > cooled
              > > outboard? Just as quiet? Thanks.
              > >
              > > Zack Tiger wrote:
              > >
              > > > I just purchased a B&S 5hp outboard to use on my 17'
              > > > square stern canoe. This may seem like a lot of motor
              > > > for a canoe, but she is 42" wide, and as stable as a
              > > > pontoon boat!
              > > > I love this motor! Light weight, easy starting, very
              > > > quiet, no mussing with oil mixes, etc., etc. It comes
              > > > with a 3 gallon fuel tank, and is available in either
              > > > black finish, or "Marshland Camo". Retail price is
              > > > $749 for black and $849 for camo.
              > > > Website is
              > > > http://www.briggsandstratton.com/display/router.asp?docid=76403
              > > > The engine is EPA-CARB compliant,for all of us
              > > > environmentally concerned types, has electronic
              > > > ignition and is warrantied for two years.
              > > > Forward/reverse engagement is positive, with no gear
              > > > clashing. Any local Briggs lawn and garden dealer can
              > > > get it for you. (It took mine two days to come in, and
              > > > cost me $995 CDN dollars for the black unit). She
              > > > starts first rip every time.
              > > > Thanks,Shawn
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > --- John Spoering <spoering@e...> wrote:
              > > > > Hi All - -
              > > > >
              > > > > The stainless model sounds very interesting -
              > > > > Anyone know who retails
              > > > > these B&S outboards ? ? ?
              > > > >
              > > > > Aloha - Jack - Florida
              > > > > > [Original Message]
              > > > > > From: John Cupp <john@k...>
              > > > > > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > Date: 4/1/2005 5:38:50 PM
              > > > > > Subject: [bolger] Re: Inexpensive ourboard power!
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Stewart"
              > > > > <stewtone@m...> wrote:
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey"
              > > > > <dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:
              > > > > > > >.
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > These guys retail for under $400, about the
              > > > > same price as a good
              > > > > > > > quality, electric trolling unit and less than
              > > > > a new 4-stroke
              > > > > > > > engine.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Yes, but the trolling motors are QUIET, and the
              > > > > 4-strokes aren't much
              > > > > > > worse. I've never used a Stihl auger, so I don't
              > > > > know how noisy it
              > > > > > is,
              > > > > > > but I used to have a Stihl chain saw, and both a
              > > > > chain saw and a weed
              > > > > > > whacker are so noisy that hearing either on what
              > > > > was a nice quiet
              > > > > > pond
              > > > > > > is all that would be needed to plead justifiable
              > > > > homicide.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Chris Stewart
              > > > > >
              > > > > > I agree Chris, I have used one of tose machines
              > > > > and when you rent one
              > > > > > it is mandatory they have to give you hearing
              > > > > protection while you use
              > > > > > it. I just did an article for duckworks not too
              > > > > long ago about the
              > > > > > Briggs & Stratton 5 hp outboard. It is quiet and
              > > > > I used it to push a
              > > > > > big catalina sailboat as an experiment. The enter
              > > > > board was down and
              > > > > > it would pushit at over 6 + knots a little over
              > > > > half throttle. I hung
              > > > > > it on my brick and I could plane the Brick with
              > > > > it. The onl problem
              > > > > > is that unlike Honda and all the other four stroke
              > > > > motors it is air
              > > > > > cooled and does not have a balance countter
              > > > > rotating shaft to stop
              > > > > > vibration from the one cylinder. So at full
              > > > > throtle it vibrates a
              > > > > > little but at any less speed it is a very nice
              > > > > motor.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > They cameout with their three HP electric motor
              > > > > and it works about the
              > > > > > same as the five hp gas engine but no vibration
              > > > > and about the same
              > > > > > noise level. I talked with the design engineer on
              > > > > the outboad projects
              > > > > > and they are about to introduce a stainless model
              > > > > for salt water for
              > > > > > the gas engine. I use it on the lake on a
              > > > > fourteen foot glass boat and
              > > > > > rigged a throtel and steering for it with gear
              > > > > shift so I can drive
              > > > > > behind the steering wheel and with my wife and I
              > > > > it barley planes at
              > > > > > about 8 knots but it is a old heavy glass boat.
              > > > > On a diablo it would
              > > > > > haul butt. The day I took the reading with my GPS
              > > > > it was real choppy
              > > > > > also.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > When they come out with the stainles model for the
              > > > > ocean I'll buy one
              > > > > > for a pusher for my boat I am buildng when I sail
              > > > > to mexico each
              > > > > > winter. If it can push one of those big catalina
              > > > > high freboard heavy
              > > > > > fiberglass boats it should push around a nice
              > > > > wooden boat with no
              > > > > > problem
              > > > > >
              > > > > > John C.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
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            • Harry James
              John Cupp of this group did a review of one for Duckworth s in his November tool crib. Got a Brick to plane with it. HJ
              Message 6 of 17 , May 9, 2005
                John Cupp of this group did a review of one for Duckworth's in his
                November tool crib. Got a Brick to plane with it.

                HJ

                Wesley Cox wrote:

                >I've given serious thought to the same motor. The price is right,
                >especially for B&S and 4 stroke and the power is right for my needs. My
                >concern is the noise of an air cooled outboard. I've read reports from
                >'they sound like a lawn mower on water' to very quiet and have yet to
                >find a retailer willing to let me hear one running. If you don't mind,
                >can you give your opinion of the noise level relative to a water cooled
                >outboard? Just as quiet? Thanks.
                >
                >Zack Tiger wrote:
                >
                >
                >
                >>I just purchased a B&S 5hp outboard to use on my 17'
                >>square stern canoe. This may seem like a lot of motor
                >>for a canoe, but she is 42" wide, and as stable as a
                >>pontoon boat!
                >>I love this motor! Light weight, easy starting, very
                >>quiet, no mussing with oil mixes, etc., etc. It comes
                >>with a 3 gallon fuel tank, and is available in either
                >>black finish, or "Marshland Camo". Retail price is
                >>$749 for black and $849 for camo.
                >>Website is
                >>http://www.briggsandstratton.com/display/router.asp?docid=76403
                >>The engine is EPA-CARB compliant,for all of us
                >>environmentally concerned types, has electronic
                >>ignition and is warrantied for two years.
                >>Forward/reverse engagement is positive, with no gear
                >>clashing. Any local Briggs lawn and garden dealer can
                >>get it for you. (It took mine two days to come in, and
                >>cost me $995 CDN dollars for the black unit). She
                >>starts first rip every time.
                >>Thanks,Shawn
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>--- John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:
                >>
                >>
                >>>Hi All - -
                >>>
                >>> The stainless model sounds very interesting -
                >>>Anyone know who retails
                >>>these B&S outboards ? ? ?
                >>>
                >>> Aloha - Jack - Florida
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>[Original Message]
                >>>>From: John Cupp <john@...>
                >>>>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
                >>>>Date: 4/1/2005 5:38:50 PM
                >>>>Subject: [bolger] Re: Inexpensive ourboard power!
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Stewart"
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>><stewtone@m...> wrote:
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>>--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey"
                >>>>>
                >>>>>
                >>><dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>>>.
                >>>>>>
                >>>>>>These guys retail for under $400, about the
                >>>>>>
                >>>>>>
                >>>same price as a good
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>>>quality, electric trolling unit and less than
                >>>>>>
                >>>>>>
                >>>a new 4-stroke
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>>>engine.
                >>>>>>
                >>>>>>
                >>>>>Yes, but the trolling motors are QUIET, and the
                >>>>>
                >>>>>
                >>>4-strokes aren't much
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>>worse. I've never used a Stihl auger, so I don't
                >>>>>
                >>>>>
                >>>know how noisy it
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>is,
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>>but I used to have a Stihl chain saw, and both a
                >>>>>
                >>>>>
                >>>chain saw and a weed
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>>whacker are so noisy that hearing either on what
                >>>>>
                >>>>>
                >>>was a nice quiet
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>pond
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>>is all that would be needed to plead justifiable
                >>>>>
                >>>>>
                >>>homicide.
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>>Chris Stewart
                >>>>>
                >>>>>
                >>>>I agree Chris, I have used one of tose machines
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>and when you rent one
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>it is mandatory they have to give you hearing
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>protection while you use
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>it. I just did an article for duckworks not too
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>long ago about the
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>Briggs & Stratton 5 hp outboard. It is quiet and
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>I used it to push a
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>big catalina sailboat as an experiment. The enter
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>board was down and
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>it would pushit at over 6 + knots a little over
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>half throttle. I hung
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>it on my brick and I could plane the Brick with
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>it. The onl problem
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>is that unlike Honda and all the other four stroke
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>motors it is air
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>cooled and does not have a balance countter
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>rotating shaft to stop
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>vibration from the one cylinder. So at full
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>throtle it vibrates a
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>little but at any less speed it is a very nice
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>motor.
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>They cameout with their three HP electric motor
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>and it works about the
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>same as the five hp gas engine but no vibration
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>and about the same
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>noise level. I talked with the design engineer on
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>the outboad projects
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>and they are about to introduce a stainless model
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>for salt water for
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>the gas engine. I use it on the lake on a
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>fourteen foot glass boat and
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>rigged a throtel and steering for it with gear
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>shift so I can drive
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>behind the steering wheel and with my wife and I
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>it barley planes at
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>about 8 knots but it is a old heavy glass boat.
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>On a diablo it would
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>haul butt. The day I took the reading with my GPS
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>it was real choppy
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>also.
                >>>>
                >>>>When they come out with the stainles model for the
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>ocean I'll buy one
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>for a pusher for my boat I am buildng when I sail
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>to mexico each
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>winter. If it can push one of those big catalina
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>high freboard heavy
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>fiberglass boats it should push around a nice
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>wooden boat with no
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>problem
                >>>>
                >>>>John C.
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>>Bolger rules!!!
                >>>>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>flogging dead horses
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>posts, and snip away
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>>- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
                >>>>
                >>>>
                >>>Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
                >>>(978) 282-1349
                >>>
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                >>Fax: (978) 282-1349
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              • gbship
                ... I was intrigued enough about prior comments on the list about this motor that I contacted the company to ask about a stainless steel model. Their customer
                Message 7 of 17 , May 9, 2005
                  --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Cupp" <john@k...> wrote:
                  > Hi Guys,
                  >
                  > The only other problem is that the company will not warranty the
                  > motor when used in salt water. They don't have any zinc plugs on
                  > it. The engineer is working on a stainless steel model but I bet
                  > with zinc anodes I would run for a long time.

                  I was intrigued enough about prior comments on the list about this
                  motor that I contacted the company to ask about a stainless steel
                  model. Their customer service department assured me they have no
                  present plans to introduce such a model. If John talked to the
                  engineer, he probably has better info, but if the customer service reps
                  haven't heard of it yet, it's probably a long way from being
                  introduced. Unfortunately for those of us with sailboats, there's also
                  no plans to introduce a long shaft model. If they had a stainless, long
                  shaft model, I'd have one next week.

                  Gary Blankenship
                • John Cupp
                  For two weeks after they were selling the 3 hp electric Briggs and Stratton motors the costomer service department didn t evem know of their existance. I also
                  Message 8 of 17 , May 10, 2005
                    For two weeks after they were selling the 3 hp electric Briggs and
                    Stratton motors the costomer service department didn't evem know of
                    their existance. I also asked them for media material on their 36
                    HP diesel motors and what transmission pattern was on the bell
                    housing and they told me they had never heard of the Diesel motor.

                    It is an asian diesel with a Briggs name on it and it runs about
                    $2,400.00 with a radiator and sevral marine transmissions fit it but
                    it would need a closed water/antifreeze system for warranty. It
                    can be fitted with a PTO shaft for running a genarator or large
                    bilge pump. A engine I would like to test soon.

                    I now only call their media department about problems because their
                    customer service is an outsourced call center with minimum wage
                    workers in a city nowhere near the production facilities or R&D
                    center. I cannot give out their media reps number but I can assure
                    you that I am still in contact with the company. BTW I was told not
                    to send the test engine back because it had been used with gasoline
                    and I could not ship it leagaly. So I still have the camo Briggs &
                    Stratton engine. I have seen lots of sail boats with adjustable
                    outboard engine brackets that could use long or short shaft motors.
                    My Pelican for example, I used an adjustable bracket and started the
                    motor out of the water then lowered it to the proper depth. For the
                    price of the motor I would find a way to make the short shaft work.

                    Unfortunatly I had to purchase my Honda outboard a few years back
                    but I bought the long shaft kit that was an optional item for
                    $640.00. I have never used the long shaft yet I will never buy
                    another Honda motor without an electric starter When it is hard to
                    start I just can not maintain pulling the stupid rope for very
                    long. That is the main selling point for the Briggs motor. One
                    light pull and it's running, if you have hooked up the fuel tank and
                    let air into the bleeder. I will call my Briggs Rep this week and
                    ask about the SS model. Who knows they may make it a eight or ten
                    HP model since the fives are selling so well.

                    John

                    --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "gbship" <gbship@c...> wrote:
                    > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Cupp" <john@k...> wrote:
                    > > Hi Guys,
                    > >
                    > > The only other problem is that the company will not warranty the
                    > > motor when used in salt water. They don't have any zinc plugs
                    on
                    > > it. The engineer is working on a stainless steel model but I
                    bet
                    > > with zinc anodes I would run for a long time.
                    >
                    > I was intrigued enough about prior comments on the list about this
                    > motor that I contacted the company to ask about a stainless steel
                    > model. Their customer service department assured me they have no
                    > present plans to introduce such a model. If John talked to the
                    > engineer, he probably has better info, but if the customer service
                    reps
                    > haven't heard of it yet, it's probably a long way from being
                    > introduced. Unfortunately for those of us with sailboats, there's
                    also
                    > no plans to introduce a long shaft model. If they had a stainless,
                    long
                    > shaft model, I'd have one next week.
                    >
                    > Gary Blankenship
                  • mark
                    keeping with the topic. has anyone tried one of these http://www.morganequipment.net/page13.html cheers
                    Message 9 of 17 , May 10, 2005
                      keeping with the topic.

                      has anyone tried one of these

                      http://www.morganequipment.net/page13.html

                      cheers
                    • Bruce Hallman
                      ... Do they start on one pull of the rope?
                      Message 10 of 17 , May 10, 2005
                        On 5/10/05, mark <planzman@...> wrote:
                        > has anyone tried one of these [diesel outboards]
                        > http://www.morganequipment.net/page13.html

                        Do they start on one pull of the rope? <grin>
                      • jerry ziak
                        I have had a close look at one and the engines look really well finished - the rest of the thing looks like some farmer made it. Stainless steel - strongly
                        Message 11 of 17 , May 10, 2005
                          I have had a close look at one and the engines look
                          really well finished - the rest of the thing looks
                          like some farmer made it. Stainless steel - strongly
                          fabricated but very very utilitarian.

                          David
                          --- mark <planzman@...> wrote:
                          > keeping with the topic.
                          >
                          > has anyone tried one of these
                          >
                          > http://www.morganequipment.net/page13.html
                          >
                          > cheers
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