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Re: [bolger] Re: Plywood debate, and boat building budgets.

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  • robert pyfrom
    Hey, Hey, I look at a 3 yr. warranty on a battery as ridiculous as who is going to be around to honor it, or who is going to be around to accept the warranty
    Message 1 of 11 , Mar 3, 2005
      Hey, Hey, I look at a 3 yr. warranty on a battery as ridiculous as who is
      going to be around to honor it, or who is going to be around to accept the
      warranty terms.
      Comboat
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
      To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:42 PM
      Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Plywood debate, and boat building budgets.


      >
      > John--Not only can you not build a cheaper boat than you can buy
      (particularly if you include the cost of a trailer, compass, PFD's, anchor,
      oars/paddle, and even a motor which often come with a used boat), most of us
      cannot build a "better" boat than a factory. I build boats a) to get a boat
      of a type which is not commercially available and b) for the
      pleasure/gratification of the experience. My philosophy is to use good
      materials, but not necessarily the best materials. For example, if you are
      going to sheath a plywood boat with fg cloth set in epoxy, you will be
      finishing fiberglass, not wood, and there is little advantage to using
      LLoyds certified plywood. My current project is being built with Signal MDO
      plywood and having cut up a bunch of it, I think it is a very nice material.
      Only time will tell how long it will last, but since I'm 61, I'm not much
      worried about it!
      >
      > John T
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: John Bell
      > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:10 AM
      > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Plywood debate, and boat building budgets.
      >
      >
      > One thing I almost added last night was that there are ways to make a
      > significantly cheaper boat. One of them is going with a less expensive
      > method of construction. "Instant" boat type construction as opposed to
      "New
      > Instant" boat construction is a lot cheaper. The boat I'm going to build
      is
      > a multichine taped seam glass sheathed design. This type of construction
      is
      > necessarily quite a bit more expensive, especially if it's to be done
      > correctly.
      >
      > For an example of how different constructions change the cost, in one of
      my
      > projects I'm working with a local guy to build another one of my designs
      > that uses the much cheaper "instant" construction. It's still going to
      be
      > more expensive than your Teal because it is a much larger boat. Also, I
      did
      > not take the normal minimalist approach that Bolger uses, allowing extra
      > material and cost for things like decks, tanks, and seats. My guess is
      that
      > he'll be able to build this boat for around $700-$800 using MDO ply and
      > lumberyard fir for the solid bits. (See http://mistermoon.blogspot.com
      for
      > line drawings.)
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Thierry" <southcoveemail@...>
      > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:00 AM
      > Subject: [bolger] Re: Plywood debate, and boat building budgets.
      >
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > Hi,
      > >
      > > here are my expenses for a couple of sailing Teals I built last
      > > summer(all Canadian dollars prices and per boat):
      > >
      > > 2 sheets of 3/8" BC douglas fir ply 74.73
      > > 1/3 sheet 1/2" ply for rudder and leeboard 16.00
      > > Bronze nails 23.00
      > > Glue LP Premium (PUR) 9.20
      > > Ash for rails from the local saw mill 20.00
      > > Epoxy and tape to protect the ply edge on the chines 10.00
      > > S/S screws 5.00
      > > Eye bolts for gudgeons 5.10
      > > Paint (Cabot deck stain)15.50
      > > 7' oars (rough sawn lumber) 8.00
      > > Rope 10.00
      > > Sail (white polytarp from home depot) 16.10
      > > Specialty tapes for sail 18.40
      > >
      > > Total CAN$ 231.00 or US$185.00.
      > >
      > > Let's add another US$15.00 for what I might have forgotten like spars
      > > made from R.S. lumber (11' mast and 8' yard) from the local mill or
      > > some Bondo to fill the knot holes in the ply and I have a new sailboat
      > > for US$200.00
      > >
      > > I didn't use any hardware except for the rudder hinges made from eye
      > > bolts and a rod. I made ash thole pins for the oars. I expect to put a
      > > couple of coats of stain every year on the hulls. Spars and oars are
      > > left bare. I expect to replace the sail (standing lug) every 2 seasons
      > > depending on usage and storage.
      > >
      > > Beside my regular hand tools I used a table saw, a drill, a circular
      > > saw, a jig saw and a power plane.
      > >
      > > I was planning to build three boats and sell one to pay for the
      > > material but I only yet built 2. The third one is still in precut
      > > parts and will hopefully be build this spring once I have reshingled
      > > my roof.
      > >
      > > The boats sail and row as well as any other. A boat is just a boat.
      > >
      > > It's easy to get carried away with "quality".
      > >
      > > Cheers
      > >
      > > Thierry
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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