Re: Birdwatcher II - others being built?
- On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 Jim Clements wrote:
>I'm about to take the plunge to build the Amhearst Galley with is a longerHi Jim - sounds like a fine project! I talked to my wife about adding a
>version of the Birdwatcher for 8 rowers. Good luck with yours. I hope
>I'm not getting in over my head.
second set of oar ports in BW-2, but I didn't detect much interest!!
- This one has been perking around in my thoughts for quite a while, as I
am feeling particularly maudlin this fine New Years morning I will try
and get it down coherently.
In early September last year I returned from a years National Guard
mobilization. I had stopped the emails from my various Yahoo groups when
I was mobilized. While going through demobilization at Ft McCoy
Wisconsin I was able to get on line and I thought --what the heck-- I
will reactivate my Yahoo accounts. I got emails started again from all
of them and then started to read back the last few days of messages on
the Bolger list. There you all were-- Peter L, the Bruce H's, David R
and Sue F with the plans still not finished for the I -60 , many other
familiar names, just like no time had passed at all. It was a tremendous
emotional impact, I was back in a part of the world I had been
completely separated from.
A friend caught me furtively wiping my eyes and asked me what was wrong.
The answer was "absolutely nothing is wrong, things are very right". I
was really coming home.
This group has always been a little different from other groups that I
belong to, lots of adjective's come to mind, helpful, humorous,
knowlegable, I have had a hard time pinning this one down. Mostly you
are just human the way we want humans to be, all the positive stuff none
of the negative. You are the people I would want as neighbors.
So have a happy Bolger new year, may your tools be sharp and your
plywood void less.
Harry James from Juneau where the Taku is blowing, the weak winter sun
is shining and the shop is warm and full of wood.
- You think we're great? I hope you get a chance to meet
Phil and Susanne! They are some of the nicest and
smartest people it will ever be your pleasure to meet.
Not to mention creative, atistic, funny, considerate,
insightful and more, much more.
Welcome back, Happy New Year, and best of luck.
- What does Bolger recommend using for the foam? I gave some thought to
plywood/foam composite construction a few years ago when I tried building a
Brick with composite sides (I made some errors and finally threw my hands up
in disgust and scrapped it). For my use I figured insulation foam sheets
would work fine, but for something more ambitious I wondered if they had
enough strength. When stressed would the foam fail internally? Would
repeated stresses cause cumulative damage until you just had foam dust
between the sheets of plywood? Perhaps I was being overly pessimistic...
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:10:44 -0800, Bob L wrote:
> This also assumes that the foam does not fail by being squished. I think
> this may be a reasonable assumption. The foam is not resistant to a sharp
> object, but if the load is distributed over a large area, as the walls
> to do, it becomes difficult to compress.
It s a damn poor mind that can think of only one way to spell a word!
<Attributed to Andrew Jackson>
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> What does Bolger recommend using for the foam?If you check the links on this site there is a folder giving a list
of materials for BWII, including the brand name of the foam.
If you Google you will find there are some very impressive home-
building insulation foams. Limited only by your pocket book. Some
have instructions on the net showing which adhesives to use and the
type of strapping. To me these foams will stand up to boat use and
are well in keeping with Bolger boxes.
- When choosing a foam you should also consider any
toxic fumes it might give off if it and your boat
happen to catch fire. Different foams have very
different levels of toxicity.
You may want to give yourself a chance to drown before
you die from poisoning.
- --- In email@example.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
> When choosing a foam you should also consider anyHmmmmm.....seems to me that if your boat is on FIRE(yikes!) you've
> toxic fumes it might give off if it and your boat
> happen to catch fire.
really got your hands full and your world is not made better with
the presence of less toxic elements either within the hull materials
and your boats contents :-0
However, some plastics do off-gas for many,many months and this may
be more delitrious to ones health in the long run......I think :-)
- Nels wrote:
>I am not certain if the hull is a TRUE ply/foam/ply sandwichThe installation of the foam presents several interesting issues. I have
>construction as the foam is not laminated to the plywood. Or is it? I
>am not sure if it is meant to be a structural component. Of course
>the doubled ply is really strong by itself - even without the foam!
not seen Bolger address them specifically, but it strikes me as most
desirable to make the foam and plywood into a sandwich, with strong
adhesive. Structurally, this increases the strength for forces pulling from
the outside, that may occur when the boat is heeled. Also important, is to
prevent voids that can collect water. I was planning to use some 2-part
expanding foam in small left-over volumes around the foam sheets.
I have used the expanding foam before, and I remember problems in
controlling the stuff! It sometimes didn't want to go where you wanted,
and other times wanted to sneak out through cracks. I want to have all the
expanding foam in place before putting the inner plywood on. This allows
cleanup and redo of missed areas. The expanding foam I used also required
good ventilation! Maybe they have better products now, as this was 15
John K., I plan to do some small test panels with the foam sandwich. I can
drop off a sample for you to play with if you want? This will probably be
early Feb. You will probably think of good ways to torture the stuff.
>If I wasNels, on the build up for the sides, I now understand the constraints that
>to use 3/8" MDO I would only glass below the waterline. If I used
>1/4" I would glass the entire exterior. The weight would probably end
>up the same. Of course it also depends on what kind of plywood one
David was working with! Thanks. I agree on the use of glass for the 1/4"
plywood, but it probably could be thinner than the bottom.
>Yes, and it sounds like another good area to learn more about. I have used
>A great asset of the design is it's 6" draft and low momemntum which
>means it will pass right over most obstructions or just bounce off
>with nary more than a scratch. All blows will be glancing with the
>exception of the bottom and chimes and these are easily reinforced
>with extra glass taping, or even a sacrificial skid.
>How about UMHD strakes like Bruce used on Rose?
it for small sliding parts---but why not the boat. BTW, I plan to take the
boat all the way to the water on the trailer ;-)
I am really curious about the slot closure system. Can you elaborate
Bolger does not overburden us with details for the hard hatches. Made up in
four overlapping sections, they are again fabricated from a sandwich of
1-inch foam with 3mm plywood top and bottom. The aft section has a 32-inch
cover that hinges forward. They sit just high enough over the
standing-room comings to allow drainage between sections. There are no
suggestions for stowage. As drawn, they are too long to fit in the forward
These hatches are somewhat large, typically 2x4 feet. I will try to report
later on their apparent ability to bear weight. Again this is the sandwich
question. They also are easy to modify/replace, if needed.
My present plan is to build this type of hatch for the forward and aft
compartments and start out with a minimal soft cover for the middle (plus a
middle tent for camping). I'm still looking for proper latches.
Many thanks to all for the fine comments!
> >How about UMHD strakes like Bruce used on Rose?<grin> Having UHMW skid strips on the boat was also useful when
> Yes, and it sounds like another good area to learn more about. I have used
> it for small sliding parts---but why not the boat. BTW, I plan to take the
> boat all the way to the water on the trailer ;-)
pushing/pulling the boat around in my shop and driveway during
construction. It makes sense to reinforce the 'points of contact'
of the hull, the center bottom of the fin keel, and the center
edges of the chines.
- A nice tribute to this group, Harry. But do you still keep up the
trumpet playing? One of my model yacht racing friends goes by the
name of Les Brown. (The above will be a mystery to most people under
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Harry James
> The answer was "absolutely nothing is wrong, things are very
> right". I was really coming home.
- My very first memory was going into the hospital at the age of four to
get my tonsils out and the nurse asking me "where's your trumpet Harry".
I have heard it one or two times since.
For the record I play Saxophone and 5 string Banjo, and because I am
partly Welsh, I have to sing.
Howard Stephenson wrote:
>A nice tribute to this group, Harry. But do you still keep up the
>trumpet playing? One of my model yacht racing friends goes by the
>name of Les Brown. (The above will be a mystery to most people under
>--- In email@example.com, Harry James
>>The answer was "absolutely nothing is wrong, things are very
>>right". I was really coming home.
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- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@a...>
> A nice tribute to this group, Harry. But do you still keep up the
> trumpet playing? One of my model yacht racing friends goes by the
> name of Les Brown. (The above will be a mystery to most people under
> about 60).
> --- In email@example.com, Harry James
> > The answer was "absolutely nothing is wrong, things are very
> > right". I was really coming home.
Hold up there hepcat. Mostly I'm a lurker here, but couldn't let that
one go. I'm substantially under 60, recently turned 39 (again), and I
certainly know Les Brown & his band of reknown. Of course, I played
trumpet for a few years. Right now I'm listening to a random selection
of: Glenn Miller; Miles Davis; Benny Goodman; Cab Calloway; Duke
Ellington. This kind of music keeps me hopping while I work on the
boat we're currently building.
"You know what I miss about the good old days? I wasn't so good & I
wasn't so old" - Groucho Marx
> I certainly know Les Brown & his band of reknown.Once upon a time, circa 1970, I was in an East Asian Republic,
courtesy of Uncle Sam, serving as bandsman for the US Army. As was
his habit, fellow name of Bob Hope brought a song and humor show into
the field. It fell to us to play for the audience for the few hours
that it took to get several thousand troops in from the jungle (well,
So, I saw Les Brown, as well as his band of reknown, in person.
Also, Neil Armstrong, Theresa Brewer, Connie Stevens, and a lovely
German (or possibly Austrian) Miss World.
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y wrote:>
> Once upon a time, circa 1970, I was in an East Asian Republic,
> courtesy of Uncle Sam, serving as bandsman for the US Army. As was
> his habit, fellow name of Bob Hope brought a song and humor show into
> the field. It fell to us to play for the audience for the few hours
> that it took to get several thousand troops in from the jungle (well,
> So, I saw Les Brown, as well as his band of reknown, in person.
> Also, Neil Armstrong, Theresa Brewer, Connie Stevens, and a lovely
> German (or possibly Austrian) Miss World.
Ah, yes, but... are you under 60 - as I suspect?
- Being partly Welsh, as my dad had it, means you HAVE to sing, doesn't
necessarily means that you're good at it <g>.
Hey, I'm not 60 (yet). My mom was a real bobbysockser, had tons of
Frank's records - and lots of Big Band stuff too. Some of us Baby
Boomers had lots of opportunities to listen to this stuff, just like
my kids had to hear all that sixties crap I played.
Bryant OWEN (probably a distant relation to George Owen, NA)
--- In email@example.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> My very first memory was going into the hospital at the age of four
> get my tonsils out and the nurse asking me "where's your trumpet
> I have heard it one or two times since.
> For the record I play Saxophone and 5 string Banjo, and because I
> partly Welsh, I have to sing.